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India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby nits » 10 Jan 2017 18:14

Paul wrote:Russians look to be showing their deeper secrets to keep India from going off balance in response to their Pakistan reach out.


Sir; can you please give us more details or reference

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Paul » 10 Jan 2017 18:20

Straws in the wind....uncharacteristically cooperating to increase serviceability of Sukhois, and now this...nothing conclusive yet.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby sudeepj » 11 Jan 2017 09:32

ShauryaT wrote:
Philip wrote:The sooner we /the GOI realise that the US is a tired player in AfPak. Unless Trump ups the ante there,or strikes a deal with Putin,we're going to be up the creek without a paddle supporting any regime that has Russia against it.
True, at this point for US and Russia Af/Pak is largely a geo-political game. Russian target are the 9 US bases in Afghanistan. Expect pressure from them on Afghanistan to close them down, if need be with cooperation from the local devils. Unless India does not become a land player in this game or have major security equities, expect India to get shafted by both US and Russia.


Russia is a regional power, not a 'super power'. There are no core Russian interests in Afghanistan, its only a bargaining chip to secure the European neighborhood: i.e. Crimea and Ukraine. Serves the Euro trash right for sucking on the Americans for security while also imposing endless fines on American companies.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 11 Jan 2017 09:41

Russia definately has core interest in afghanistan be it Narcotics which comes into CIS/Russia and is also transit point to Europe or terrorism that CSTO countries get affected from

http://valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/afghanistan-2016/

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 12 Jan 2017 15:22

Russia allows military spare-parts makers to deal with India directly - this should help in improving availability of critical spares for us
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 49283.html

In a major development, Russia has allowed its military spare parts manufacturers to sell items directly to India. This will improve servicing and repairs of Russian/Soviet-origin equipment.

About 70 per cent of military equipment with the Indian armed forces — the Army, Indian Air Force and the Navy — is from Russia. With Moscow continuing to be the largest supplier of military hardware, this scenario will not change for the next three decades.

Repairs and servicing of key equipment is hampered by lack of ready availability of spares and a rather circuitous route through a single agency in Moscow makes it even more lengthy. The Russian permission will help, among other aspects, in improving the servicing and repair of the Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter jets, the Mi-17 helicopters, Navy warships and T-90 tanks.

The Russian Ministry of Defence has conveyed the decision to their Indian counterparts through an official communication. “The communiqué from Russia details which all companies or original equipment manufacturers have been permitted to sell spare parts to India directly without seeking permission for each tranche,” a source in the MoD confirmed. The MoD here has further circulated the list of companies permitted by Moscow to the three services asking them to see and check if any company which deals with India has been left out. The matter has been discussed during the summit meeting between PM Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin last year.

A senior functionary said the Russian manufacturers of military equipment source key parts, such as engines, avionics, weaponry from producers within Russia and sometimes even Ukraine to integrate them on planes or warships or tanks.

All military equipment by the very nature of it needs consumable parts which have ‘run-life’ and need to be changed or overhauled after its specified life. For example, the engine of the Sukhoi-30 needs to be overhauled after 800-900 hours of flying.

The Sukhoi is serviced and maintained by the PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). There are four key suppliers. The Sukhoi has an availability rate of 65 per cent and large parts of it due to delay in spares. The IAF’s operated base repair depots maintain the fleet of Mi-17s while the Navy maintains its own warships at naval dockyards. Sources here said once this is done, HAL, IAF, Navy and the Army can source spares from Russia.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby habal » 13 Jan 2017 16:58

sudeepj wrote:
ShauryaT wrote:True, at this point for US and Russia Af/Pak is largely a geo-political game. Russian target are the 9 US bases in Afghanistan. Expect pressure from them on Afghanistan to close them down, if need be with cooperation from the local devils. Unless India does not become a land player in this game or have major security equities, expect India to get shafted by both US and Russia.


Russia is a regional power, not a 'super power'. There are no core Russian interests in Afghanistan, its only a bargaining chip to secure the European neighborhood: i.e. Crimea and Ukraine. Serves the Euro trash right for sucking on the Americans for security while also imposing endless fines on American companies.


regional powers cannot deploy ICBMs and SRBMs, deploy nuclear submarines and nuclear missile destroyers thousand kms away from their lands in friendly nations, deploy nuclear capable short range missiles in allied countries, deploy high tech jamming and recon equipment in allied countries nor conduct 75xxx aircraft sorties on enemies. Definitely only a rung below supapowa but very much above regional powa like our self-enforced regional powa of subcontinent. Supply ships that ferry loadouts daily. Deploy ABM systems in their foreign bases and deploy more than 100 aircraft far away from territorial boundaries. Show me a regional powa that can do all this.
USA, China & Russia are complete powers, they have industrial capability to manufacture A-Z of their requirement. China may not be there yet, but will be soon.

Germany, India, France, UK, Turkey etc are what is regional power. France may even have industrial capability but they have no andey.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby manjgu » 13 Jan 2017 17:18

habal..china is not a complete power. Till they can field CBG etc far from home, have guts to send troops into conflict zones etc etc. they are many years away...cant manufacture A to Z ..maybe A to M ... India is hardly a regional power..had it been a regional power Pakis would be in a hole..Bdesh will not hang BSF troops on a pole and carry them..and neither will SL nave arrest indian fishermen...

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 13 Jan 2017 17:19

Russia is a regional power in terms of its conventional military capability and Economy goes.

It is a Global Power in terms of its Nuclear Capability and due to Veto power in UN its ability to infulence the events in the world , Also a Global Power in terms of natural resources it has. http://www.countrydetail.com/top-10-cou ... ces-world/

Infact the resources held by Russia is so immense by International standards that Madline Albright once famously mentioned "that it is unfair that the whole of Siberia with its immense resources belongs to Russia in its entirety.”

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 13 Jan 2017 17:23

Western Strategists Need To Stop Pitting Russia Against China

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rus ... 5f8589eb03

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby manjgu » 13 Jan 2017 17:24

unless u can project ur power far away from home for sustained periods ..u r not a complete power. China is indeed a regional power as of today...all countries in its neighborhood are kind of scared of it

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby sudeepj » 14 Jan 2017 01:28

Austin wrote:Russia is a regional power in terms of its conventional military capability and Economy goes.

It is a Global Power in terms of its Nuclear Capability and due to Veto power in UN its ability to infulence the events in the world
,


This.

unless u can project ur power far away from home for sustained periods ..u r not a complete power. China is indeed a regional power as of today...all countries in its neighborhood are kind of scared of it


Syria is pretty close to Russia, about 1000 miles, two days sailing at economical cruising speeds. Its a regional power alright, but not a super power any more.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ShauryaT » 14 Jan 2017 03:40

Sudeepj: Forget these tags of super power, regional power and what not. Here is the bottom line. Russia considers all CIS to be its core interest. Their largest base outside of Russia is in Tajikistan. They are extremely worried about the Afghan border. Russian troops are more closer to Afghanistan than India is. Not justifying for Russia but just stating what it is and as Russia sees it.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/russia-r ... -vehicles/

Afghanistan is likely to become a geopolitical football again with China, Pakistan, Russia & Iran on one side with Taleban/Ghilzais and maybe some Tajiks and Hazarra with them. OTOH will be the US attempt to keep the current coalition and support of Durranis, using the trappings of power. Pakistan will want to milk both of US and Russia this time. What will be India's play?

with the right type of pressure, US presence in Afghanistan is extremely vulnerable with no appetite to stay and fight it out. There is one obvious play for India - if she can muster the will and ability to execute.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 14 Jan 2017 13:24

sudeepj wrote:Syria is pretty close to Russia, about 1000 miles, two days sailing at economical cruising speeds. Its a regional power alright, but not a super power any more.


Yes I never said Russia is a Superpower , Perhaps China is close to that status.

Putin was asked this question some years back and he said who wants to be a superpower you end up carrying baggage of others on your back and Putin has said recently that Russia respects US as sole Superpower.

Being a superpower has its own entitlements but also has its own burden. Like All things in Life Nothing come free and every thing has a price.

Russia core interest is in Near Abroad which means the CIS State and maintaining good strategic relationship with India China , SCO .CSTO and BRIC nations , Russia New Foreign Policy Document released last month https://www.rt.com/news/368927-russia-f ... y-concept/

Full Document http://static.kremlin.ru/media/acts/fil ... 010045.pdf

National Interest has a Summary cant vouch how accurate it is to Original Document http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ins ... ?page=show

The so called superpower status only comes via Nuclear Weapons and Delivery System with ability to hit any where on Earth with the number of Active and Deployed Warhead compared to US in terms of START Treaty

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Bhurishravas » 15 Jan 2017 03:45

Austin wrote:Russia definately has core interest in afghanistan be it Narcotics which comes into CIS/Russia and is also transit point to Europe or terrorism that CSTO countries get affected from

http://valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/afghanistan-2016/


Russian interest is in seeing the back of US troops in Afghanistan and an end to American military presence there.
Specifically Russia and China dont want a US military base so close to their underbellies. Neither does Iran.

Taliban wants an end to US presence because it legitimizes Ghani govt. Taliban is Paki puppy(and Pak is China puppy) so Pakistan would be happy to see end of US presence there too. That is why the moscow conference.

Talk of narcotics and islamic fundamentalism and other crap are hogwash. The russian plenipotentiary admitted as such when he said that russian and taliban`s views had converged.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Cosmo_R » 15 Jan 2017 05:29

manjgu wrote:habal..china is not a complete power. Till they can field CBG etc far from home, have guts to send troops into conflict zones etc etc. they are many years away...cant manufacture A to Z ..maybe A to M ... India is hardly a regional power..had it been a regional power Pakis would be in a hole..Bdesh will not hang BSF troops on a pole and carry them..and neither will SL nave arrest indian fishermen...

+ 1
We still have no andey. We are still only murg. Maybe we will punch our weight once we figure out there is more to a state than electioneering.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Prem » 15 Jan 2017 05:48

ShauryaT wrote:Su
Afghanistan is likely to become a geopolitical football again with China, Pakistan, Russia & Iran on one side with Taleban/Ghilzais and maybe some Tajiks and Hazarra with them. OTOH will be the US attempt to keep the current coalition and support of Durranis, using the trappings of power. Pakistan will want to milk both of US and Russia this time. What will be India's play?with the right type of pressure, US presence in Afghanistan is extremely vulnerable with no appetite to stay and fight it out. There is one obvious play for India - if she can muster the will and ability to execute.

India recovering its territory in POK/GB provide good alternative corridor in case Paki/Iran shut down the transit routes.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby devesh » 15 Jan 2017 07:37

What stands in India's way is the self-imposed nonsense of not crossing LoC. Present govt's decision to go across and strike in Paki occupied territory w/o making a secret of it is a good first step. But needs to be followed up.

Until we take back PoK and establish our own corridor to CA - we'll be a middling power whose interests other countries will simply ignore.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 15 Jan 2017 08:21

devesh wrote:What stands in India's way is the self-imposed nonsense of not crossing LoC. Present govt's decision to go across and strike in Paki occupied territory w/o making a secret of it is a good first step. But needs to be followed up.

Until we take back PoK and establish our own corridor to CA - we'll be a middling power whose interests other countries will simply ignore.


+1 to that
We need to take pok if any thing else to reduce our own loss of armed forces in anti terror operation.

We will always be on backfoot and fighting terrorism with one hands tied unless we take back POK which is ours to start with

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 16 Jan 2017 12:24

Russia's mil actions in Syria clearly showed that it outclassed the US,the so-called "sole super power",a label which the Russians reject. This doesn't mean that they can do the same anywhere. As correctly pointed out in an above post,Russia's red line,never to be crossed is the "near abroad",the former states of the Warsaw Pact,which the West/NATO have been attempting to usurp into their clutches and station NATO troops right on Russia's borders.
The neo-fascist coup sponsored by the West/NATO in the UKR was unforgivable to the Russians.Putin swiftly defanged the UKR,seized the Crimeaafter a referendum result was heavily in favour of Russia,and stabilised the line of defiance in the eastern pro-Russian UKR.

Afghanistan and Central Asia represents to it a weak region,where the Salafist/ISIS/Taliban ideology can wreak havoc with the Islamic states of Central Asia,now on good terms with Russia.Remember that during the Cold War,it was the US (and Britain) which promoted Islamic fundamentalism in the region through their agent Pakistan,to undermine the then Afghan regime,which saw Russian troops entering the country to shore up its leadership. Under no circumstances does it want history repeating itself in that battleground,which has consumed armies by the hundreds of thousands over the centuries,especially the last 3 decades.

What India should tell the Russians that it too is equally perturbed about events in that country as a pro-Paki regime enshrined there would then allow it to turn its attention yet again to seizing J&K by mil force ,using its Afghan and other mercenary jihadists against India.An Indo-Russian stand on Afghanistan must be worked out to balance the Sino-Paki JV of the same.

https://in.rbth.com/news/2017/01/13/rog ... cts_680026
Rogozin to visit India to review FGFA, other defence projects
13 January 2017 Mikhail Nekrasov
Russia and India want to sign a detailed FGFA design agreement in 2017.
Russia, India hope to sign a detailed agreement on the design and development of FGFA in the next few months. Source:Rulexip/wikipedia.org

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin will visit India in February to discuss military-technical cooperation, and in particular, the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) joint project.

Rogozin, who was in Gandhinagar for the Vibrant Gujarat-2017 Summit this week, said defence matters were not discussed during his meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

New Delhi is reportedly uneasy over the slow pace of progress in the FGFA project. This large-scale Russian-Indian joint project is being implemented by Russia’s Sukhoi Experimental Design Bureau and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. The parties hope to sign a detailed agreement on the design and development of this modern aircraft in the next few months.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Falijee » 16 Jan 2017 17:54

Russia -India Ties Getting Cooler ?

Strategic realignment in South Asian politics
Seema Sengupta
Published on January 10, 2017
To stabilise the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, which is key to safeguarding Moscow’s vital interests in Caucasus and Central Asia, Russia has not hesitated to draw China into the ring.When Russian Ambassador to Pakistan Alexey Dedov mooted the proposal of aligning his country’s ambitious Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) initiative with the Chinese-funded $46 billion (Dh169.18 billion) China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project recently, Indian security experts wasted no time in connecting the dots to predict an emerging axis between Russia, China and Pakistan.
Moscow’s support for CPEC, considered to be a threat to New Delhi’s geo-strategic ambition in the extended South Asian region, virtually stirred up a hornet’s nest in the Indian establishment, with veteran foreign policy analyst and a leading figure of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, Sheshadri Chari, even calling for an all-out national effort to dissuade the Russians from embracing Pakistan. The seed for a robust Russia-Pakistan strategic partnership, in fact, was sowed in the winter of 2014 during Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu’s Pakistan trip — the first by a Russian defence ministry’s political executive in 45 years — on the second leg of a tour that initially took him to Beijing.
Surely, a long-time strategic ally like Russia, having backed India to the hilt in multilateral forums, slowly drifting away from New Delhi’s strategic ambit is a cause for worry, notwithstanding India’s shift towards Washington in an attempt to become the lynchpin of America’s pivot to Asia.
Today, the Russians, notwithstanding the multi-billion dollar defence deal inked during President Vladimir Putin’s participation in BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) summit held in India, are no more hesitant to arm Pakistan with Mi-35 attack helicopters, thus consolidating Islamabad’s ability to confront the growing menace of Daesh (the self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) in the tricky terrain of Hindu Kush. Besides, to stabilise the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, which is key to safeguarding Moscow’s vital economic and security interests in the Caucasus and Central Asia, the Russian leadership did not even hesitate to draw China into the ring, by way of supplying advanced Sukhoi-35 fighter aircraft to Beijing.
. Modi-ji will have to walk a fine line so that to ensure that Moscow does not get the "wrong message" vis-a-vis ties with US

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby svinayak » 17 Jan 2017 00:59

Falijee wrote: Modi-ji will have to walk a fine line so that to ensure that Moscow does not get the "wrong message" vis-a-vis ties with US


You will be surprised that US and Moscow may be already coordinating on Af Pak issues. They are also planning on China.
This is not a zero sum anymore. Geo politics got complicated.


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