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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chetak » 20 Jul 2018 10:53

chanakyaa wrote:India to go ahead with S-400 missile

Nothing new here in the above link. I'm NO arms/defense expert to opine on the necessity of above purchase or the strategic value associated with it, but I don't like the fact that India is about to spend Rs. 39,000 crore on something that will contribute the least to what India desperately needs is massive infrastructure investment. This is the same amount of money to put 4-6 lines of my home town Mumbai metro in just one city. Such defense expenditures do not have the same economic multiplier effect (and magnitude) as infrastructure development or in-house industrial production. If done locally may be slightly better, but no comparison to infra/tech spend. Just as an example, the impact Mumbai metro of property values from Varsova (one end) and Ghatkopar (other end) has been massive. Construction along the line is going up as if there is no tomorrow, people are being employed and multiplier goes on and on.

Looking at India's public debts, country does not have the same luxury as thollar country to print as and when desired. Hypothetically if India needs to spend $x billions with rus, assuming some new-clear deterrents achieve the same objective, India is better off spending that amount of money with rus-ian industrial giants for heavy equipment makers, technology cos or providing infrastructure contracts to their companies. It is money better spent this way than supporting their MIC. Better yet, spend that kind of money for infra/tech development at home and let YooS, Ooiurope, Rus-ian companies bid on it, win it and implement it. Let them come here, stay, spend, pay tax, build, develop, and hopefully come back for more. The multiplier effect on the Indian economy will be massive.

If not, those fancy S-X00 tubes will be sitting in some corners of the country, providing some security of course, but what good is it if your economy still sucks (or not up to its fullest potential when thousands of youth graduating each year have to find unrelated jobs just to stay employed). We will look at the fancy tubes and feel good but that is about. Again, no defense expert myself, but I'm sure some smart people know what they are doing because Rs. 39,000 crore (or whatever the number) is no small change.


Have we learned nothing over the centuries??

Economic wealth without the means to protect it is an invitation to disaster. Invasions today can and do take place without a shot being fired in anger.

OBOR/CPEC/BRI/CATSAA or any other alphabetic soup imposition on a sovereign country because THEY have the military might to back it up is just one example. Trade treaties are another.

SL is just an example that one cannot help pointing out over and over again. A country that the hans have done and dusted. All the cunning of the poisonous SL politicos has come to naught. They have simply been swallowed whole by the hans and the SLs dare not protest because of the han military might. No other country has also come to SLs aid because of the same reason.

The pakis are now being set up after decades of chinese psyops and softening up. This is nothing but a version of the stockholm syndrome playing out on a national scale. The pakis have not even recognized the insidious and strangulating chinese embrace that has gradually enveloped them over decades. The dumb f(uks are still singing praises of their "taller than the mountains deeper than the sea, sweeter than honey etc etc" friends. They have become refugees in their own land. The hans have pulled off a brilliant coup and not a shot has been fired. In fact, the invader has been royally welcomed and feted.

And you want to build rail lines in your hometown??

India is now being taken seriously in the comity of nations precisely because of her growing military as well as economic strengths.

The military strength has to grow in a healthy balance with the growing economic heft otherwise we will be left bleeding in the dust by our enemies, both military and economic enemies.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 20 Jul 2018 12:24

Spot on.We got soft during centuries of enormous wealth,got invaded by the Muslims,then they got soft during the end days of Mughal rule and allowed the Europeans to enter "first to trade and then to raid".Since Independence,nay partition,we've had an Islamic monster constantly trying to destroy India from the West and on the East,the looming "Yellow peril",which taught us a lesson in '62,which some of our blinkered establishment babus in Lutyens Bagh think can be countered by jumping onto Uncle Sam's bandwagon.Uncle Sam's track record across the globe is defeat.Betrayal of loyal allies and is in retreat with this administration which is trillions in debt.

India had no alternative but to look to itself ,arm itself with whatever we required during the Cold War to counter the Sino-Pak JV.We still need to get what we need from anywhere,both within and without the country when not available within.The top priority is defending ourselves from a sneak nuclear attack either separately or conjoined by China or Pak.The S-400s are vital to our defence.Just as Trump trumpets that US interests come first,so too must India proclaim in firm voice that our interests always come first too.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 21 Jul 2018 11:03

US Sanctions Against Moscow Not Affecting Russia-India Cooperation – Envoy

US sanctions against Russian companies have no major impact on the Russian-Indian defense industry cooperation, including negotiations on the supply of Russia’s S-400 Triumf air defense systems to the South Asian country, Russian Ambassador to India Nikolay Kudashev told Sputnik.

"[Russia and India] remain the closest partners, and all our defense industry agreements are being implemented. It concerns the purchase of S-400s and the joint production of Ka-226 helicopters, and many other projects. Do the sanctions create difficulties? Yes, they do, of a certain kind. But, frankly speaking, these difficulties are surmountable," Kudashev said, adding that solutions to overcome these obstacles would undoubtedly be found.

Commenting on US threats to impose sanctions against India if it purchases Russia’s S-400s, the ambassador said that Washington had never supported the Russian-Indian defense industry cooperation.

"The current situation is not an exception. A distinctive feature of the present time is the sanctions against Russian producers, which are a means of unfair competition and which are pursuing the goal of driving Russia out of the Indian defense sector and its military and political space," Kudashev explained.


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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chanakyaa » 22 Jul 2018 21:33

chetak wrote:Economic without the means to protect it is an invitation to disaster. Invasions today can and do take place without a shot being fired in anger.
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The military strength has to grow in a healthy balance with the growing economic heft otherwise we will be left bleeding in the dust by our enemies, both military and economic enemies.


Fair point, no disagreements. The magic words are “healthy balance” between investment in Econ and mil. Based on the info available in public domain, it is sad to see rus and ind limited to mil co-op, when there is potential for much more. I’m sure better days are ahead.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chetak » 23 Jul 2018 10:08

chanakyaa wrote:
chetak wrote:Economic without the means to protect it is an invitation to disaster. Invasions today can and do take place without a shot being fired in anger.
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The military strength has to grow in a healthy balance with the growing economic heft otherwise we will be left bleeding in the dust by our enemies, both military and economic enemies.


Fair point, no disagreements. The magic words are “healthy balance” between investment in Econ and mil. Based on the info available in public domain, it is sad to see rus and ind limited to mil co-op, when there is potential for much more. I’m sure better days are ahead.



Russki consumer goods are shoddy and unappealing. We already have trade with them on oil, gas, space tech, nuke reactors etc.

Our students already take admission in their engineering and medical colleges in large numbers.


India’s Major Imports from Russia as % of Total Indian Imports from Russia
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India’s Major Exports to Russia as % of Total Indian Exports to Russia
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https://www.ciiblog.in/india-russia-trade-and-investment-relations/

Opportunities

There is immense potential for the two countries to further enhance economic ties and move beyond a traditional buyer-seller relationship. It is important for India and Russia to significantly enhance the private sector engagement of their industry sectors, and also to establish partnerships for technology transfer and joint ventures in defense and nuclear energy components.

Green Corridor, International North South Transport Corridor and India EAEU FTA could add to trade and investments. CII has called for early implementation of these.

Infrastructure: Russia could invest in Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor, Smart Cities, railways, public transport, urban rail, sanitation and low cost housing. Similarly, Indian companies should invest in Russian industrial parks in sectors of their interest.

ICT: Russia can be a valuable market in the Information Technology and services sector, considering IT and services are India’s largest services exports. Indian companies may also explore links with Russian companies in software for the manufacturing sector.

Pharmaceuticals: India’s pharma exports to Russia constitute a sizable chunk of its total exports. Possibilities of joint investments are being considered by the leading Indian Pharma Companies under Russia’s Pharma 2020 programme.

Defence manufacturing: Russia is a primary source of defence equipment for India. Plenty of opportunities have opened up for both countries with the opening of FDI in defence production in India. Russia may like to consider a dedicated industrial park for defence manufacturing under the new norms to supply parts to helicopters, nuclear reactors and solar panels.

Other areas of potential cooperation include fertilisers, gems and jewellery, and tourism.


What else would you be looking at??

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chanakyaa » 24 Jul 2018 06:59

chetak wrote:...
Russki consumer goods are shoddy and unappealing. We already have trade with them on oil, gas, space tech, nuke reactors etc.
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Other areas of potential cooperation include fertilisers, gems and jewellery, and tourism

What else would you be looking at??

Definitely, not the consumer goods. Commodities, paper/pulp, fertilizers, oil/gas is nice, but I'm referring to industrial products (often heavy on proprietary technology) that often forms the backbone of the process of setting up the infrastructure.

Some areas to name a few...
Gas Turbine and other power machines (Generate electricity, obviously not as good as GE or Siemens)
http://www.power-m.ru/en/

Automative, Metallurgy, Industrial Instruments, Industrial Machinery
http://rostec.ru/en/about/structure/

Power lines/Transmission
http://www.rosseti.ru/eng/
http://www.eng.rushydro.ru/

Oil/Gas, Plastics, Energy, Chemicals
https://www.sibur.ru/en/

Agricultural Machines
http://www.tplants-export.com/en/

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby chetak » 24 Jul 2018 09:45

chanakyaa wrote:
chetak wrote:...
Russki consumer goods are shoddy and unappealing. We already have trade with them on oil, gas, space tech, nuke reactors etc.
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Other areas of potential cooperation include fertilisers, gems and jewellery, and tourism

What else would you be looking at??

Definitely, not the consumer goods. Commodities, paper/pulp, fertilizers, oil/gas is nice, but I'm referring to industrial products (often heavy on proprietary technology) that often forms the backbone of the process of setting up the infrastructure.

Some areas to name a few...
Gas Turbine and other power machines (Generate electricity, obviously not as good as GE or Siemens)
http://www.power-m.ru/en/

Automative, Metallurgy, Industrial Instruments, Industrial Machinery
http://rostec.ru/en/about/structure/

Power lines/Transmission
http://www.rosseti.ru/eng/
http://www.eng.rushydro.ru/

Oil/Gas, Plastics, Energy, Chemicals
https://www.sibur.ru/en/

Agricultural Machines
http://www.tplants-export.com/en/


Good idea.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 27 Jul 2018 10:07

Putin to Modi: Our Efforts Are Successful as Bilateral Trade Turnover Growing

JOHANNESBURG (Sputnik) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that his close contacts with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi contribute to a significant increase in bilateral trade.

"I recall your visit to Sochi, we had very good, kind, friendly and informative talks, and now we are preparing for my visit to India in October this year," Putin said at a meeting with Modi on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Johannesburg.

"Our efforts are successful as the [b]bilateral trade turnover is growing. Last year it grew by 24 percent and in the first five months of this year by another 26 percent,"
the Russian president said.[/b]

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 27 Jul 2018 10:07

Indian-driven gold mining project in Russia praised at BRICS Summit

The Kluchevskoye Gold Mining Project, initiated by India's SUN Gold Ltd, is being seen as the first-ever industrial public-private partnership investment project to be undertaken by partners from all BRICS member-states.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 27 Jul 2018 11:53

Good Details on Rising Cancer cases and change in Health care system by 2024 in Russia


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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Ashokk » 27 Jul 2018 14:28

Austin wrote:Good Details on Rising Cancer cases and change in Health care system by 2024 in Russia

How is this related to the topic of this thread?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby ramana » 27 Jul 2018 21:38

India could leverage of the healthcare system being implemented.

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Postby Austin » 27 Jul 2018 22:22

Yes we too face the same challenges rise of cancer cases in India and the choice of treatment available is not that great in governemnt and even in many private hospitals its expensive , known this very personally.

In that video they were mentioning of some cancer vaccination and i tried to google what they were trying to say and found this , If such vacciane is successful hopefully via BRICS or WHO initative its available in India and other developing countries.

Russia introduces personalized cancer vaccine

https://gmpnews.net/2018/07/russia-intr ... r-vaccine/

“This year, we have 25 projects and, first of all, we focus on oncology. We will have several unique test systems as early as by the end of next year. We will be able to use liquid biopsy methods, which are capable to diagnose cancer long before its clinical manifestation. These are the personalized methods of treatment,” added the Minister.


This area involves active cooperation with the pharmaceutical and medical industry. Veronika Skvortsova commented:

“We will have some really unique medicines. We are already launching new technologies. In these technologies T-lymphocytes are collected from a patient, modified and introduced back into the body, and thus, after shock and immune failure patient overcomes the disease. Moreover, this cancer vaccine is personalized. This will be very interesting, as such vaccines have no analogs in the world so far. In addition, there will be oncolytic viruses. The work is being done by a young, very smart and optimistic team brought together from almost all Russian regions.”

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Y. Kanan » 28 Jul 2018 04:43

Austin wrote:Good Details on Rising Cancer cases and change in Health care system by 2024 in Russia




I like the faked, staged "meeting" between Putin and the woman running Ministry of Health. Why does RT follow this format in so many of their stories? Even when they're telling the truth it looks like they're lying.

The West is so much better at propaganda.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 29 Jul 2018 14:29

Thats the way they have been meeting since decades that I have seen , nothing fake a one on one appraisal review we have in corporates :D

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 29 Jul 2018 14:30

This only man Kissengir is back to his old ugly tricks

Henry Kissinger Pushed Trump to Work With Russia to Box In China

https://www.thedailybeast.com/henry-kis ... x-in-china

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 14 Aug 2018 21:28

By shafting Russia the US stupidly is pushing Ru and China into a tighter embrace, which in the Asian context will eventually replace the US as the regional premier mil-power .Russia being the key Eur-Asian military power, plus the only rival to the US in strategic terms, should be on top of the US's dpl.list of nations to do business with and get it to cooperate with it in pacifying the global hotspots.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Philip » 22 Aug 2018 18:46

Further to the above post:
Vostok mil. exercises later this month through Sept.
China and Mongolia also taking part.China sending 3200 troops 900 tanks and vehicles and 30 aircraft.
India has to factor in this major development as the rogue state( the US) , through its trade war and anti- Russian obsession is starting a new Cold War and forcing both countries into a military alliance.Henry K has advocated better Us- Ru relations to curtaiil China, ghe greatest ghreat to ghe US this century.

It is going to be v.difficult for us to keep a balancing act and attempt to remain equidistant between both poles.There's a famous saying;"if you sit on the fence for too long, the spears will end up in your a*se!"

A Sino- Russo military alliance- or at least cooperation in the Asia- Pacific will have great implications for us.The US will try and pull us into a potential spat with China, as cannon fodder- the " hired gun" that Imran says Pak has been to the US for too long, It will be suicidal for us to join such an alliance.What we havd yo fo as I'vd said many a timd is to forgd our own India-centric alliance with like- minded indeprndent states like Indonesia, Malaysia,the Philippines,IOR littoral nations, etc.This bloc or group can work together to preserve their sovereignty by networking
and resist being pulled into a potential conflict by virtue of their combined strength.This calls for inspired diplomacy backed by mil. capability.Is the MEA upto the challenge?

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 01 Sep 2018 11:19

India, Pakistan Armies Dance Together On Bollywood Songs In Russia;


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Postby Vips » 01 Sep 2018 17:47

Where is the Puke Icon? This Russian/Chinese shenanigans to bring Napak and India together while ignoring India's strategic interests is right now the greatest threat to us.
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Postby Trikaal » 01 Sep 2018 17:51

^Nothing nefarious here. If anything, it shows India's soft power that even people from hostile nations dance to our bollywood songs. Pakis crying for a ban on Indian movies and songs in Pakistan can eat their heart out. Bonhomie between India and Pak troops is common on international missions.

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Postby Vips » 01 Sep 2018 17:55

It is not he song and dance routine, it is the pretext and intent of bringing these forces together which masks the real great game which is surely not in our interests.

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Postby Trikaal » 01 Sep 2018 19:58

If all it took to solve India-Pak issues was to bring forces together then this issue woyld have been solved long ago. Sure, china and russia are trying, both because of economic reasons and to get india into their camp against US but it will never succeed. Primarily because Pakistan will never give up on Indian Kashmir and we cannot give up on Indian Kashmir(imo we have already given up on Pak Kashmir long time back). And Pakistan won't agree to put Kashmir on backburner. Nawaz Sharif tried that and failed spectacularly.

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Postby Eric Thompson » 01 Sep 2018 20:36

Trikaal wrote:If all it took to solve India-Pak issues was to bring forces together then this issue woyld have been solved long ago. Sure, china and russia are trying, both because of economic reasons and to get india into their camp against US but it will never succeed. Primarily because Pakistan will never give up on Indian Kashmir and we cannot give up on Indian Kashmir(imo we have already given up on Pak Kashmir long time back). And Pakistan won't agree to put Kashmir on backburner. Nawaz Sharif tried that and failed spectacularly.


Both Pakistani Military and NDA are in bed with the US.

Solving Kashmir is not in the interest of the US.

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Postby Neshant » 02 Sep 2018 08:41

Eric Thompson wrote:
Trikaal wrote:If all it took to solve India-Pak issues was to bring forces together then this issue woyld have been solved long ago. Sure, china and russia are trying, both because of economic reasons and to get india into their camp against US but it will never succeed. Primarily because Pakistan will never give up on Indian Kashmir and we cannot give up on Indian Kashmir(imo we have already given up on Pak Kashmir long time back). And Pakistan won't agree to put Kashmir on backburner. Nawaz Sharif tried that and failed spectacularly.


Both Pakistani Military and NDA are in bed with the US.

Solving Kashmir is not in the interest of the US.


Agreed.

They were bolstering Pakistan economically for a long time hoping that China would eventually pick up the slack.

In that sense, India neither trusts China any more than it does the US.

However beyond terrorism, Pakistan has no real cards against India. Its economy has no development potential beyond rent seeking, it not a technological power and it has no strategic resources nor geographic location. As India's economy grows, it become a liability unto any country backing it economically and militarily.

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Postby Parasu » 02 Sep 2018 17:52

Alexander Zakharchenko was assassinated yesterday. He was the prime minister of Denetsk republic in Ukraine.
His murder is likely to force Russia to react.

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Postby Austin » 15 Sep 2018 11:23

India-Russia set $ 50 billion trade target for 2025



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Postby Austin » 15 Sep 2018 11:25

Russia & India seek to boost trade, switch to national currencies

https://www.rt.com/business/438508-indi ... urrencies/

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Postby Trikaal » 15 Sep 2018 12:55

Austin wrote:Russia & India seek to boost trade, switch to national currencies

https://www.rt.com/business/438508-indi ... urrencies/

Would this include arms payments in Rupees/Roubles or are those exempted? I think the 50 billion dollar figure of bilateral trade does not count arms sales.

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Postby Viv S » 15 Sep 2018 23:00

Trikaal wrote:Would this include arms payments in Rupees/Roubles or are those exempted? I think the 50 billion dollar figure of bilateral trade does not count arms sales.

Its a currency facility to encourage bilateral trade between the industries, and its impact if at will be minor. It is not and cannot be applied at a state-to-state or otherwise high value transaction.

India runs a trade deficit with Russia, so if both countries were to actually shift to a Rupee-Ruble trade system, the net outflow of about $6-7 billion every year, would result in the Russian Central Bank having to add a pile of Indian currency (about Rs 50,000 crore) to its coffers every year.

Trouble is, the INR isn't a reserve currency. We run a (healthy) inflation rate of 4-5%, so all else being equal, that's what the Russians will lose about that much on their rupee holdings annually. Of course the value of the rupee is also linked with the country's macroeconomic fundamentals to the state of the global economy, so the risk factors are magnified.

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Postby Trikaal » 15 Sep 2018 23:25

Viv S wrote:
Trouble is, the INR isn't a reserve currency. We run a (healthy) inflation rate of 4-5%, so all else being equal, that's what the Russians will lose about that much on their rupee holdings annually. Of course the value of the rupee is also linked with the country's macroeconomic fundamentals to the state of the global economy, so the risk factors are magnified.


I doubt any currency is inflation proof. So everyone loses some money on all reserves, no matter the currency.

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Postby Viv S » 16 Sep 2018 01:04

Trikaal wrote:I doubt any currency is inflation proof. So everyone loses some money on all reserves, no matter the currency.

“Some money” can be a little money or a lot of money. Currencies like the Dollar & Euro are considered reserve currencies precisely because they tend to retain their value against other currencies as well as commodity benchmarks.

Emerging markets, in contrast, usually run inflation rates that are on average 3-4% higher than the OECD average, but with much higher ancillary risks, depending on the country’s economic model.

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Postby Austin » 16 Sep 2018 13:18

Trikaal wrote:I doubt any currency is inflation proof. So everyone loses some money on all reserves, no matter the currency.


The central bank between the two countries can work out to take care of inflation or currency fluctuation , They can work out INR/Rub against a basket of currency like USD/EURO/Renminbi etc and then check the fluctuation vesus RUB/INR and work out the average inflation for the year and fluctuation to trade in Rupee/Rouble trade.

Generally thats how it works out for trading in respetive currency , the central bank of countries work out modalaties of payment and can do a average of quarteraly . half yearly or yearly against basket of currency to take into account inflation and currency fluctuations.

This will help India-Russia trade grow in next decade not just in defence but general trade between two countries

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Kakkaji » 17 Sep 2018 19:48

What will the Russians buy with their resulting hordes of Indian Rupees?

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Postby Trikaal » 17 Sep 2018 19:51

^The extra rupees will be converted to dollars by selling them to the RBI.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 18 Sep 2018 00:47

Kakkaji wrote:What will the Russians buy with their resulting hordes of Indian Rupees?



We should actively look at exporting consumer goods. Tea coffee cereals fruits. Textiles. Apparel. Historically we had a decent trade

But it's a difficult job.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 24 Sep 2018 20:00

Kakkaji wrote:What will the Russians buy with their resulting hordes of Indian Rupees?


Any thing that India can sell , With the trade target of $50 billion by 2025 there will be a lot of 2 way trade and you should not forget that India is a growing economy and by 2025 with GDP of $ 5 Trillion our rupee will have its own value on Global Trade.

They would have started with Rupee Rouble trade a decade back they are late in the game

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby habal » 24 Sep 2018 21:25

my gut feeling is they will sell rupees to buy gold. Far safer long term investment than US$.


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