India-Russia: News & Analysis

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 06 Apr 2019 20:19

EP.734: Alexey Pushkov- Though not India Specific but good insight into Russian Foreign Policy from one of Foreign Policy makers in Russian Parilament


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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Austin » 15 Apr 2019 11:31

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/r ... 2019-04-12

Russia awards Narendra Modi its highest order, PM thanks Putin

HIGHLIGHTS
PM Modi awarded for helping boost India-Russia ties
Order of St Andrew the Apostle was established in 17th century
The award is Russia's highest state decoration

Russia has awarded Prime Minister Narendra Modi Order of St Andrew the Apostle, the highest order of the Russian Federation. PM Modi was awarded the order for "exceptional services in promoting special & privileged strategic partnership between" Russia and India, the Russian embassy in India said in a tweet.

PM Modi thanked Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying he was "honoured to receive this prestigious award". "Foundations of India-Russia friendship are deep & the future of our partnership is bright," PM Modi said, adding, "President Putin remains a source of great strength for the India-Russia friendship. Under his visionary leadership, bilateral and multilateral cooperation between our nations has scaled new heights."

Honoured to receive this prestigious award. I thank President Putin and the people of Russia.

Foundations of India-Russia friendship are deep & the future of our partnership is bright.

Extensive cooperation between our nations has led to extraordinary outcomes for our citizens. https://t.co/4ppEC7ZAWe

Chowkidar Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) April 12, 2019
According to the Russian government, the Order of St Andrew the Apostle was established in the 17th century by Peter the Great around 1699 and is the oldest of Russia's state decorations.


The Order of St Andrew the Apostle is both the highest and the oldest state decoration of Russia. The order was abolished in the erstwhile Soviet Union in 1918 and was re-established in 1998.

On April 12, @narendramodi was decorated with the Order of St Andrew the Apostle for exceptional services in promoting special & privileged strategic partnership between and and friendly relations between the Russian and Indian peoples.@mfa_russia @MEAIndia @IndEmbMoscow pic.twitter.com/jUFt5aawxw

Russia in India (@RusEmbIndia) April 12, 2019
According to the Russian government, "The Order of St Andrew the Apostle is awarded to outstanding politicians and public figures, as well as other citizens of Russia, for exceptional services..."

In 2017, Chinese president Xi Jinping was awarded the Order of St Andrew the Apostle.

With the Russian award, PM Narendra Modi has now been honoured with around seven top global awards. PM Modi has previously been awarded the United Arab Emirates's top honour as well as of countries including South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Palestine and Afghanistan.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby vimal » 15 Apr 2019 11:42

Austin wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/russia-narendra-modi-order-of-st-andrew-the-apostle-1500321-2019-04-12

Russia awards Narendra Modi its highest order, PM thanks Putin

With the Russian award, PM Narendra Modi has now been honoured with around seven top global awards. PM Modi has previously been awarded the United Arab Emirates's top honour as well as of countries including South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Palestine and Afghanistan.


:shock: :shock: When did Modi get so many awards? I don't remember reading about any??
Is this a case if strength respects strength.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby rajsunder » 08 May 2019 06:27

what do our learned maulanas think about this



In this video Abhijit Iyer says that it is just a matter of time before russia would be in the lap of China and by proxy in the lap of bakistan.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kit » 08 May 2019 07:44

rajsunder wrote:what do our learned maulanas think about this



In this video Abhijit Iyer says that it is just a matter of time before russia would be in the lap of China and by proxy in the lap of bakistan.


i don't think Russia will be in the lap of China or anyone else for that matter, they value their autonomy more than most people think., this is a country that lost millions of their youth in the world wars. Their relation with China is more of a marriage of convenience., they will get out of it the moment the west does away their embargo and related restrictions. China is actually a strategic threat to them despite their professed bonhomie. The relation with Pakistan should not be seen through the china lens but it is more of a necessity in view of the Islamist threat via Afghanistan.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Aditya_V » 08 May 2019 11:49

Part of this propaganda by some Arms dealers selling western equipment, India has made too many Russians deals, the Russians will continue to sell to their biggest customer PRC( off course everything will always be perfectly reverse engineered by the Chinese) and some equipment to Pakis like RD 33, Mi 35 and Mi 17 which will harm us. But they are hardly going to be a poodle to China that too for the Pakis sake and pull the plug on

ARMy
1. 464 T-90, parts for 1000 T-90 1700 T72, M-46, BMP, bridging equipment, Smerch, Brahmos etc

Airforce

1. Supply of various ordinance sparts for Mig 29, SU 30 fleet along with spare parts
2. S-400
3. 18 new Build SU 30 and 21 Mig 29
4. Significant fleet of Mi 17's
5.Brahmos and other CM
Navy
1. Ka 31's, Ka28
2. Krivak class Ships
3. Akula subs
4. Brahmos and various CM from styx, Kashin AK 630.

The point is over 50 years both Russia and India have a lot of interdependence even in Oil and Gas etc. The Russians are not so helpless to throw all this out for China. We should stop taking snake oil salesmen soo seriously.

The India- Russia alliance does cause a lot of takleef to China and the West, it was why Nixon and Mao collaborated, so they will use snake oil salesmen to divide and drive a wedge.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby rajsunder » 09 May 2019 04:50

kit wrote:
i don't think Russia will be in the lap of China or anyone else for that matter, they value their autonomy more than most people think., this is a country that lost millions of their youth in the world wars. Their relation with China is more of a marriage of convenience., they will get out of it the moment the west does away their embargo and related restrictions. China is actually a strategic threat to them despite their professed bonhomie. The relation with Pakistan should not be seen through the china lens but it is more of a necessity in view of the Islamist threat via Afghanistan.

As per the video China buys close to $50 billion dollars worth of crude from Russia. As the time passes by and oil depending countries will have to face the consequences of increased electric cars usage and decrease of crude usage, countries like Russia will become desperate to hang on to their customers.
In 5 to 10 years majority of the weaponry sold by Russia would become obsolete. Except few technologies, Russia is not investing in R & D in other domains. Case and point would be the PAKFA. Russians lack resources to build world class weapons.

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Cain Marko » 09 May 2019 10:15

^yeah we heard this stuff before after the fall of the FSU, it's almost 30 years since and the world including India continues to buy rusdki weapons. Of course I'm sure it will be all obsolete in the next 10 years
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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby kit » 09 May 2019 10:21

rajsunder wrote:
kit wrote:
i don't think Russia will be in the lap of China or anyone else for that matter, they value their autonomy more than most people think., this is a country that lost millions of their youth in the world wars. Their relation with China is more of a marriage of convenience., they will get out of it the moment the west does away their embargo and related restrictions. China is actually a strategic threat to them despite their professed bonhomie. The relation with Pakistan should not be seen through the china lens but it is more of a necessity in view of the Islamist threat via Afghanistan.

As per the video China buys close to $50 billion dollars worth of crude from Russia. As time passes by and oil depending countries will have to face the consequences of increased electric cars usage and decrease of crude usage, countries like Russia will become desperate to hang on to their customers.
In 5 to 10 years the majority of the weaponry sold by Russia would become obsolete. Except few technologies, Russia is not investing in R & D in other domains. Case and point would be the PAKFA. Russians lack resources to build world class weapons.


they would be down but not out. A country's greatest strength is the will of the people and that is the indicator they have gone by and do so in the future, no Russian I have met be it a millionaire or otherwise have forgotten how the west has treated them and how they view China ( which is not so much )., just a matter of time. Russians are strong in the basic sciences and so they will be ready when they invest more in research., and they are right now focussing on strategic and asymmetric weapon tech, like hypersonic weapons

As regards crude futures that is a different ball game, will be played out and through with it in the next decade. the future is indeed electric!

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Re: India-Russia: News & Analysis

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 09 May 2019 11:31

kit wrote:
rajsunder wrote:As per the video China buys close to $50 billion dollars worth of crude from Russia. As time passes by and oil depending countries will have to face the consequences of increased electric cars usage and decrease of crude usage, countries like Russia will become desperate to hang on to their customers.
In 5 to 10 years the majority of the weaponry sold by Russia would become obsolete. Except few technologies, Russia is not investing in R & D in other domains. Case and point would be the PAKFA. Russians lack resources to build world class weapons.


they would be down but not out. A country's greatest strength is the will of the people and that is the indicator they have gone by and do so in the future, no Russian I have met be it a millionaire or otherwise have forgotten how the west has treated them and how they view China ( which is not so much )., just a matter of time. Russians are strong in the basic sciences and so they will be ready when they invest more in research., and they are right now focussing on strategic and asymmetric weapon tech, like hypersonic weapons

As regards crude futures that is a different ball game, will be played out and through with it in the next decade. the future is indeed electric!


++1 KIt.

All Russians, I have met know this point, and feel it. At least one thing that the Soviet Union, gave them was good basic education system, though it's slowly fraying.

I find Russians similar to India on many factors:
  1. Family is still important, with mothers playing a larger role.
  2. Long history and longer memory.
  3. Like India, they have had cyclic stages of deracination- fascination with West and a return to the soil. Tsarist Russia had French as court language with the bourgeois sending children to Paris for education, and the pull back of the intellectuals who led the revolution in search for roots. Similar played out with fascination of trying to be European in the mid nineties, and then the realization that they will never be accepted as Europeans

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