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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby chetak » 02 Aug 2020 17:23

Shanmukh wrote:Looking at the map, it is clear that Chabahar is also in Baluchistan [Iranian Baluchistan, but Baluchistan, all the same]. Wiki chacha, while not giving the exact composition of the population of Chabahar, hints that the population is majority Baluch in Chabahar county. Should the Chinese get hold of Chabahar, is it possible for India to deny them use of [or at least, make it painful for the Chinese, the use of] either Chabahar and/or Gwadar?


but at what cost to the baluchis who will wind up carrying the can


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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Mollick.R » 19 Oct 2020 12:30

India set to lose Farzad-B gas field; Iran to prefer domestic companies over foreign firms
PTI Last Updated: Oct 18, 2020, 01:48 PM IST

New Delhi: India has all but lost the ONGC Videsh Ltd-discovered Farzad-B gas field in the Persian Gulf after Iran decided to prefer domestic companies over foreign firms for development of the field, sources said.

ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL), the overseas investment arm of state-owned Oil and Natural Gas Corp (ONGC), had in 2008 discovered a giant gas field in the Farsi offshore exploration block.

OVL and its partners had offered to invest up to USD 11 billion for development of the discovery, which was later named Farzad-B.
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Sources said unconfirmed information suggests that Iran has identified a local firm for the development of the field, but OVL has not yet given up hopes and continues to chase Iranian authorities for the contract.

The 3,500 square kilometre Farsi block sits in water depth of 20-90 metres on the Iranian side of the Persian Gulf.

OVL, with 40 per cent operatorship interest, signed the Exploration Service Contract (ESC) for the block on December 25, 2002. Other partners included Indian Oil Corp (IOC) with 40 per cent stake and Oil India Ltd (OIL) holding the remaining 20 per cent stake.
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The Indian consortium has so far invested around USD 400 million in the block.


Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/energy/oil-gas/india-set-to-lose-farzad-b-gas-field-iran-to-prefer-domestic-companies-over-foreign-firms/articleshow/78730406.cms

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby pankajs » 22 Oct 2020 18:50

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 7820276736
Those blaming India for Farzad-B gas field in Iran cancellation should also realize that even China pulled out gas field projects in Iran
https://tinyurl.com/y2czg92a

Fact is without western eqmnt no gas fiepds can be developed & no western company will give due to US sanctions

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-china-sout ... 01771.html
Iran Says China Has Pulled Out Of South Pars Natural Gas Project

Plus Iran has becomes very ornery once there is some relaxation on the sanctions front.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Amber G. » 27 Nov 2020 22:11

^^^IMO not a good news - Killing a old and fairly known scientist at this time will have NO effect to stop any nuclear bomb(s) they may be planning to make and it will make it extremely difficult to bring Iran *back* in the nuclear deal.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Vinod Ji » 28 Nov 2020 03:33

Amber G. wrote:^^^IMO not a good news - Killing a old and fairly known scientist at this time will have NO effect to stop any nuclear bomb(s) they may be planning to make and it will make it extremely difficult to bring Iran *back* in the nuclear deal.


I guess that was the intension.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Amber G. » 28 Nov 2020 04:15

^^^ Of course. There was a weird tweet from Trump regarding this. Scorch earth policy - starts as many fires to make things difficult for the new administration. BRF may not be the right place but I may put my thoughts briefly in India-US Relations where I mentioned this news (and got sort of attacked/mocked for these views).

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Amber G. » 28 Nov 2020 09:28

Newspapers are full of speculations and reactions - seem very serious.
From newspaper stories:
- Many believe that the killing may raise tensions in the region, and may complicate incoming US President Joe Biden's relationship with Iran.
- Robert Malley, adviser Obama on Iran, claimed that the attack was timed in order to make Biden's attempts to negotiate with Iran more difficult. (Similar views have been tweeted by other important people)
- Biden had pledged to rejoin the Iranian Nuclear Deal. (This is now complicated)

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rsatchi » 28 Nov 2020 12:28

Amber G. wrote:Newspapers are full of speculations and reactions - seem very serious.
From newspaper stories:
- Many believe that the killing may raise tensions in the region, and may complicate incoming US President Joe Biden's relationship with Iran.
- Robert Malley, adviser Obama on Iran, claimed that the attack was timed in order to make Biden's attempts to negotiate with Iran more difficult. (Similar views have been tweeted by other important people)
- Biden had pledged to rejoin the Iranian Nuclear Deal. (This is now complicated)


Meaning it may not be just Mossad but CIA/Mossad or Neo-Con/Mossad attempt to Hamstring the the new the regime or ????Trumpva's Parting 'Gift' to 'Smoking Joe' :D :D

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Mort Walker » 30 Nov 2020 00:21

^^^The policy of Iranian assassinations, extra judicial killings, goes back to the Obama administration. It is conveniently ignored and attempted to blame this on Trump.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Lisa » 30 Nov 2020 16:11

If this is true!!!!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/remote-c ... ort-claims

Remote-Controlled Machine Gun On Top Of Truck Killed Iranian Scientist Before Self-Destructing With Bomb, Iranian Report Claims

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby darshhan » 30 Nov 2020 20:22

Amber G. wrote:^^^IMO not a good news - Killing a old and fairly known scientist at this time will have NO effect to stop any nuclear bomb(s) they may be planning to make and it will make it extremely difficult to bring Iran *back* in the nuclear deal.


I Guess Mossad doesn't agree with you. Neither do facts. You could have stated "little or some effect" instead of "no effect" and that would have been true to some extent.

Just check who was Gerald bull, what happened to him(by israelis again) and what was the impact. There is a wikipedia page on him

Killing scientific manpower including Program Managers always has some impact on the delivery timelines.

There is another way to disturb the scientific manpower which is much more subtle and can be as effective.i.e discrediting or destroying the concerned personnel's reputation using the laws and processes of his own country/organization. For eg Padma Bhushan Shri Nambi Narayanan ji.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby darshhan » 30 Nov 2020 21:38

Lisa wrote:If this is true!!!!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/remote-c ... ort-claims

Remote-Controlled Machine Gun On Top Of Truck Killed Iranian Scientist Before Self-Destructing With Bomb, Iranian Report Claims


Lol. Someone sure knows how to troll. This was too important a target to be left to Remotely controlled machine guns.

The killing carries all the Hallmarks of a standard israeli Kidon team. Professional competence and daring of Israeli intelligence/Special ops has been amply demonstrated in this case.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby brar_w » 30 Nov 2020 21:50

Mort Walker wrote:^^^The policy of Iranian assassinations, extra judicial killings, goes back to the Obama administration. It is conveniently ignored and attempted to blame this on Trump.


Exactly and the fact that Israel has to live in that region means that if they decide that this is beneficial to their overall security than there is very little a given US administration can do or would want to do unless it can intervene and somehow provide assurance. At the end of the day, Iran's leadership doesn't really hold anything back in showcasing their ambitions regarding Israel and its existence so Mossad is going to do what is in its power with our without US support. Delaying Iran's nuclear weapon program is and should be right at the top of the priority for Israel and Mossad so they'll do pretty much anything they can to work at that problem.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Vivek K » 30 Nov 2020 22:28

Were any assassinations of Iranian officials carried out during Obama's terms?

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Postby Mort Walker » 30 Nov 2020 22:50

    5 January 2007 Ardeshir Hosseinpour Unknown Died
    12 January 2010 Masoud Alimohammadi Gheytariah Street, in front of Alimohammadi's house Assassinated
    29 November 2010 Majid Shahriari Near Artesh Boulevard Assassinated
    29 November 2010 Fereydoon Abbasi Velenjak, in front of Shahid Beheshti University Survived
    23 July 2011 Darioush Rezaeinejad In front of his house Assassinated
    11 January 2012 Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan Ketabi Square, Golnabi Street Assassinated
    27 November 2020 Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Damavand, east of Tehran Assassinated

Mossad basically has a free hand in this. This assassination signals a return to Obama era policies. Notice neither political party in the US has questioned this except for liars and cranks like former CIA director Brennan. My question is, when will India be given the strategic space to do the same in it's neighborhood?

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby brar_w » 30 Nov 2020 23:04

There was never really any deviation from this policy (of destabilizing and delaying Iranian nuclear and BM program by whatever means necessary ) even during Trump so the return is rather moot. The only difference was that the Trump administration was more proactive and willing to put some of their own muscle towards this like when Soleimani collided with a hellfire. Israel was also, at will, attacking any Iranian or Iranian proxies in Syria that it saw fit and there was also BM and launch infrastructure in Iran that was mysteriously exploding. The fact that Israel has made some headway at improving relations with the Sunni ME states definitely works in its favor of continuing to use any means necessary which is understandable since the stated position of the Iran's rulers is that they want Israel (as a state) to be weakened or completely wiped out.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby KLNMurthy » 30 Nov 2020 23:18

Mort Walker wrote:
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My question is, when will India be given the strategic space to do the same in it's neighborhood?


Maybe the answer is in the “given” word used in the question.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Mort Walker » 30 Nov 2020 23:19

The deviation between the policy of killing scientists vs. military personnel in US controlled areas is different. Qasem Soleimani was eliminated at Baghdad International Airport. After 2012, the assassinations of Iranian scientists probably played a role in bringing them to the negotiating table. This latest one again signals the Iranians that they should return to negotiations. Biden intermediaries with Israel most likely gave the go ahead as none are speaking out against this.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Mort Walker » 30 Nov 2020 23:22

KLNMurthy wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
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My question is, when will India be given the strategic space to do the same in it's neighborhood?


Maybe the answer is in the “given” word used in the question.


The reality is, if India acts against the strategic wishes of the US in its own region, it will face consequences. What is needed is for the US to disengage from the Indian subcontinent.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby vera_k » 30 Nov 2020 23:31

In the current situation where India has not shown the desire to act, it will mean that China steps in to the vacuum. If there are consequences, they have to be faced and overcome.

United Kingdom and the American Civil War

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Vivek K » 30 Nov 2020 23:59

Actually preemptive strikes were employed by George W Bush. The 2007 strike was pre-Obama.

India does not need approval to accomplish its strategic objectives. Unless prior approvals for Uri and Balakot and forays inside Myaanmaar were required. Added Later: I think it is more of lack of strategic vision that is to blame for India not carrying out strikes at terror bases inside enemy territory during peace time.

The larger question here is - are we under pressure to condemn the assassination? What would that do to relations with Israel? Has Iran supported us on Kashmir?

Seems like India should remain silent since there doesn’t seem to be any gain from supporting Iran.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Mort Walker » 01 Dec 2020 01:07

Military strikes are very different from political assassinations as part of strategic policy. India has never used assassinations as strategy tools. If India were to target Pak scientists and military generals within Pak, ME, UK, and US would be another thing altogether. India is not looking for permission from the US, but what it needs is the lack of US interference.

The recent Iranian scientist assassination is the return of previous policy.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Lisa » 01 Dec 2020 13:58

darshhan wrote:
Lisa wrote:If this is true!!!!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/remote-c ... ort-claims

Remote-Controlled Machine Gun On Top Of Truck Killed Iranian Scientist Before Self-Destructing With Bomb, Iranian Report Claims


Lol. Someone sure knows how to troll. This was too important a target to be left to Remotely controlled machine guns.

The killing carries all the Hallmarks of a standard israeli Kidon team. Professional competence and daring of Israeli intelligence/Special ops has been amply demonstrated in this case.


Really?

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby darshhan » 01 Dec 2020 14:05

Lisa wrote:
darshhan wrote:
Lol. Someone sure knows how to troll. This was too important a target to be left to Remotely controlled machine guns.

The killing carries all the Hallmarks of a standard israeli Kidon team. Professional competence and daring of Israeli intelligence/Special ops has been amply demonstrated in this case.


Really?


Yes Ma'm

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby KLNMurthy » 01 Dec 2020 19:46

Mort Walker wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:
Maybe the answer is in the “given” word used in the question.


The reality is, if India acts against the strategic wishes of the US in its own region, it will face consequences. What is needed is for the US to disengage from the Indian subcontinent.

Don’t know what to say to this.

India can’t act till it is guaranteed by the US that there will be no consequences to those actions?

Tell me I am reading you wrong.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby chetak » 01 Dec 2020 20:19

KLNMurthy wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
The reality is, if India acts against the strategic wishes of the US in its own region, it will face consequences. What is needed is for the US to disengage from the Indian subcontinent.

Don’t know what to say to this.

India can’t act till it is guaranteed by the US that there will be no consequences to those actions?

Tell me I am reading you wrong.


if the US disengages from the Indian subcontinent, not only are we going to be left high and dry but also f##### and far from home.

that is exactly what the hans want so that they can halal us at their leisure, knowing very well that we will never precipitate any crisis for them unless provoked beyond tolerance.

they have come as close as they can possibly come in bhutan, lanka and very recently, also in nepal. They have been less than a stones throw away from us both in pukiland as well as afghanistan for many years.

we will get no guarantees from the US but then again, we need the US to continue to cast a long shadow over the region so as to keep the hans in check and we will only benefit from this arrangement in the medium turn.

As our economy continues to grow, the US will wield increasingly lesser influence over us while the hans will start to get increasingly antsy.

nepal today simply does not know what hit it, after the hans moved in and grabbed nepalese land without so much as a by your leave :mrgreen:

It needs only one eyetalian mafia BIF run/influenced dispensation to reset the entire equation and leave India floundering once again.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Amber G. » 03 Dec 2020 21:54

darshhan wrote:
Amber G. wrote:^^^IMO not a good news - Killing a old and fairly known scientist at this time will have NO effect to stop any nuclear bomb(s) they may be planning to make and it will make it extremely difficult to bring Iran *back* in the nuclear deal.


I Guess Mossad doesn't agree with you. Neither do facts.

Facts do agree with me. You see, I do know - personally some in the scientific community (both in US and Iran) and besides past events have been quite well documented in reputable journals/newspapers -- sorry I have no time to discuss or convince others who are putting all sort of nonsense in dorky media.

Time will tell the details of who/how exactly this happened - but at present those who know have come out and are saying (even those who are normally hawks) that *only* thing this event did was a scorch earth policy (in all likelihood with knowledge of Trump) to make Biden (and EU and other nations) work harder - to get back into nuclear deal with Iran. This is not only my point of view but top people in US admin are saying this.

(Even Mossad is not claiming this - they are not denying it either - and many in Israel are not happy)

over and out. (probably last comment from me on this topic.)

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Mort Walker » 04 Dec 2020 00:59

It will have no impact on the nuclear deal. Iran will rejoin and everyone will say “hurray” we can inspect for U235 production, but Iran has already started on Pu239 production/acquisition, hence the reason Israelis have been knocking off Iranian physicists. This is a policy operationalized during the Obama-Biden administration.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Vinod Ji » 04 Dec 2020 01:18

You can call Iranians determined,obstinate or stubborn what ever you like. They are less likely to change by force or hard times unless their very existance is at stake. Real power is sepah & not what you see.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby vimal » 04 Dec 2020 08:06

That’s what they said about Iraqis too, even older civilization than Iran. Pen is mightier than blah.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 04 Dec 2020 08:11

Iranians are less likely to change by force ? I have nothing against them but Arabs forced Iranians to become Sunnis and Turks forced them to become Shias.


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