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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby NRao » 15 Jul 2015 22:13

Philip wrote:We have to work out our own methodology for bi-lateral relations with other nations,where we place our special,unique capabilities forward,not competing mile for mile with China. India spells innovation,China gigantism. Why China has to steal from all over the world to get ahead in life,including the designs for Kancheepuram sarees!

Our unique geography,democracy,versatility,diversity of thousands of years of civilization,plus today an independent nuclear power with massive military capability,brings with it our own "flavor",which many smaller nations find attractive,reassuring and a willingness to participate with us in many ways.Indo-Iranian relations are ancient and historic,far more ancient than that of the US/West. Our great Parsi community ,renowned for industry and philanthropy are Persians in origin.We need to exploit our ties with Iran as much as possible esp. because Iran is the gateway to Central Asia for us and a Shiite bulwark against the Wahaabi extremism of Pakistan.


Somebody did not get that memo:

India spells innovation

And, not too sure, but Persian != Iranian.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby SwamyG » 16 Jul 2015 05:57

Now Amirkhan says India suffered onlee.... http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 082022.cms

But still using India as a pawn in its internal game.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby manjgu » 16 Jul 2015 18:50

this is not an excuse but the reason... i mean when india cant deal with a country 1/7 of its size.. has millions shitting along railways lines... has dire poverty..no one is going to take india seriously. We will have to learn to compete with not only china but others as well. this neta - babu ( ias, ifs.. ) is ruinng this country no end.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Comer » 16 Jul 2015 21:50

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33547061
Indian companies explored and discovered oil and gas in Iran's Farzad B gas field in 2008. They have already invested around $100m to develop the facility but production was stalled due to sanctions.

After dragging its feet for years, New Delhi rushed in a delegation to discuss the project, as signs emerged that sanctions on Iran would be lifted after the nuclear deal. But Iranian press reports say Tehran has rejected India's proposal and plans to auction the site instead.

*snip*
India also signed signed a $233m contract to supply a more than 150,000 tonnes of rail tracks to develop Iran's railways. But the project has run into trouble with reports saying Iran wants to renegotiate the deal to bring down the price because the euro has declined against the dollar.

All the new found attention seems to have some side effects. Good luck to Iran.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby RoyG » 16 Jul 2015 22:27

manjgu wrote:this is not an excuse but the reason... i mean when india cant deal with a country 1/7 of its size.. has millions shitting along railways lines... has dire poverty..no one is going to take india seriously. We will have to learn to compete with not only china but others as well. this neta - babu ( ias, ifs.. ) is ruinng this country no end.


Things are changing slowly. Give it time. The clean up by MAD in all dept including MEA is a huge undertaking but we are seeing the fruits already. Chinese villagers evacuate their bowels everywhere as well. It's not a purely indian phenomena and has no bearing on diplomacy.


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Postby A_Gupta » 16 Jul 2015 22:52

Another view: M.K. Bhadrakumar
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2 ... il-tracks/

The Indian “sources” lament that they thought they “enjoyed special dispensation from Tehran as one of only a handful of countries willing to do business with it while it faced Western economic sanctions.” (Reuters)

What Reuters failed to report is that the “special dispensation” actually meant barter trade, which was necessitated by the US’ banking sanctions against Iran that Delhi was under no compulsion to obey but did nonetheless, and thereby forced Iran to sell oil to India as barter trade. Shakespeare’s Shylock would have admired our ingenuity to extract a pound of flesh from a neighbor in distress and thereafter badmouth him.

Clearly, SAIL and Jindal extracted a good deal when Iran had no choice but to do barter trade with India at uneconomical terms. And, now that the US sanctions are going to be lifted, why should Tehran still buy rail tracks from India at the inflated price? Alas, Reuters had a good story in hand but lacked the inquisitive spirit to probe what those “special dispensations” actually meant.



However, the core issue here is something else – our inability to repair the fractured ties with Iran, which the UPA government handed down to us an year ago. We are going about it the wrong way. The outreach should not have been at the level of a commerce secretary pushing an export deal; it is crude and make us look like crass merchants.

There should have been a political overture first. Our External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj should have led it and Kher should have followed her lead. The SAIL and Jindal Steel could have waited.

Iran is a unique regional power that gives strategic underpinnings to its external relations. No doubt, Iran desires close relations with India. It is also self-confident enough not to view India’s ties with Israel or Saudi Arabia in zero sum terms. But the fact of the matter is that the UPA government followed a policy of kowtowing to the US and had neglected the relationship.

The present government need not have followed the UPA’s footfall. But it did precisely that. Was it due to continued US pressure? Was it a sign of Israel’s influence? Or, was it because of Islamophobia? Perhaps, it was a combination of all these factors.

Funnily, Israel has just accused the US of having violated its own sanctions against Iran. Yet, the Obama administration continues to lecture the Modi government on the ABC of the US’ sanctions against Iran.

How come the Americans think they can get away with such black humor? President Barack Obama stood beside Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Delhi during the January visit and openly praised him for pursuing the US-led policies toward Iran just as his predecessor did.

Given these stark realities, why should our bureaucrats moan and whine? After all, the Iranians still didn’t cold-shoulder Minister Nitin Gadkari. President Hassan Rouhani received him cordially, read the letter attentively that PM Narendra Modi wrote to him and responded with warm words. But can the Iranians be faulted if they look after their interests in the best way they can?

They have defeated the US’ containment strategy. The international community is knocking at their door for partnership. They have no reason to allow themselves to be held to ransom by their barter trade with India. Indeed, they have no reason to be grateful to India for the barter trade.

India still keeps several billion dollars accruing from Iran’s oil sales as “blocked funds”. To be sure, it should come as no surprise if Iran first ensures that the blocked funds are duly released.

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Postby Prem » 16 Jul 2015 23:53

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/n ... nd-us.html
Iran’s nuclear deal and us

( Arab perspective on Deal/Steal)
he Iranian regime is like a monster that was tied to a tree and finally set loose based on good intentions. The agreement reached between major world powers and Tehran abandons the demand to end its nuclear program, and lifts sanctions as Iran restores more than $100 billion of frozen assets. I can imagine the wide smile of disbelief of Iranian leaders, as this is a gift from the sky for almost nothing in return.The conditions Tehran set at the end were not a necessity, but it imposed them to further pressure the Americans and speed up the negotiating process by refusing the inspection of military sites and preventing investigations with Iranian scientists.We have grown tired, and want an ending that benefits the Iranian and Arab peoples without humiliation or pain. Unfortunately, the deal fulfils Iranian clerics’ wishes as it allows Iran to keep its nuclear capabilities, and only imposes a 10-year hiatus on intensive uranium enrichment. Also, Tehran is free to resume its adventures and support extremist groups. The agreement does not include a mechanism or set of commitments to protect the region.
What we fear is the deal strengthening the hawks in Tehran and therefore postponing any positive transition within or outside the regime for a decade or two. The authority of evil governments, such as Saddam Hussein’s in Iraq, Bashar al-Assad’s in Syria and Moammar Qaddafi’s in Libya, has either fallen or weakened, and the Iranian regime was afraid it will face the same fate.The agreement has fortified it, so we expect more wars and blood in the region. That is why we disagree with Washington as it could have signed a better deal that could have positively changed the region, as Iran is the official supporter of most extremist parties, from Hezbollah to Hamas to the League of the Righteous.Iran is the motive for the emergence of opposing extremist parties such as Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), and its terrorist operations have expanded to include the Philippines in the far east to Argentina in the far west.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 17 Jul 2015 04:57

I wouldn't pay too much attention to MKB whines. Iran deal has three prisms: Regional (impacts KSA, Israel and GCC, Syria, Iraq and ISIS), Economic (increased oil flow, more money Iranian money released, better trade, access to Central Asia), Shia Sunni (KSA mainly).
The non-proliferation prism is (US, PRC, Israel, KSA and TSP).

In these buckets you can put + or - to each as you think.

MKB sees only -ve for India always.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Kakkaji » 17 Jul 2015 05:33

The most important thing for India to focus on, is to get the Chanbehar port going and get it linked to the Iranian road and rail network. This transit route into Afghanistan and Central Asia, bypassing Pakistan, will be the biggest strategic achievement.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Kakkaji » 17 Jul 2015 05:39

Picklu wrote:Now that Iran is free of sanctions, it is going to back stab India in no time commercially. We will off course rationalize the same wit platitudes like self interest is paramount.


Iran will not give India any 'friendship' prices. But even at market prices, an open market in Iran will result in much greater India-Iran trade both ways. There are a number of areas in which India will be competitive against Europe.

Even if European/ American companies win large contracts in Iran, they will likely hire skilled and unskilled personnel from India to execute them.

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Postby Prem » 17 Jul 2015 22:17

Iran Offer That Could Help India Bypass Pakistan to Access Central Asia

NEW DELHI: Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has asked India to invest in infrastructure projects worth $8 billion, including an expanded role in developing a strategic port that will open up access to Central Asia, Gholamreza Ansari, Iran's envoy to New Delhi, said on Friday.The port of Chabahar in southeast Iran is central to India's efforts to circumvent Pakistan and open up a route to landlocked Afghanistan, where it has developed close security ties and economic interests.
Mr Rouhani suggested the larger role for India during a meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the sidelines of a summit in Russia days before the historic nuclear deal between Iran and world powers, Iran's ambassador to India told Reuters."The potential between Iran and India is great but we were just facing such a wall of sanctions, wall of American pressure," ambassador Ansari said.Mr Ansari said that with sanctions likely to be lifted soon, it was a "golden time" for India to seize investment opportunities because of the two countries' close trade ties and shared interest in improving Central Asian transport links."Connectivity is the main policy of Modi that coincides with Iran's government policy," Mr Ansari said, and added, "We have offered them, in connectivity, $8 billion of projects."
PM Modi's meeting with Mr Rouhani was part of a tour of Central Asia focused on increasing India's role in the region.It was not immediately clear how PM Modi responded to Mr Rouhani's offer. The foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.India and Iran agreed in 2003 to develop Chabahar on the Gulf of Oman, near Iran's border with Pakistan, but the venture has moved slowly because of the sanctions over Iran's atomic programme.The two countries maintained a close relationship despite the US-led trade restrictions that halved their oil trade to 220,000 barrels per day last year.In May, India's Shipping Minister Nitin Gadkari and his Iranian counterpart, Abbas Ahmad Akhoundi, signed an $85 million deal for India to lease two existing berths at the port and use them as multi-purpose cargo terminals.Under the new proposal, India could help build second and third terminals at the port, as well as railway connections into the rest of Iran, Mr Ansari said.India has moved slowly on opportunities in Iran in the past, including the giant Farzad B gas field. Mr Ansari said India was the "first priority" to develop Farzad B, but urged New Delhi to move fast. "If they drag their feet, the market will not wait," he said.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Melwyn » 18 Jul 2015 01:41

Iran says it offers India bigger role in strategic port

The report seems to be old one rehashed as new. The news seems to be based on events before the nuclear deal.

NEW DELHI: Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has asked India to invest in infrastructure projects worth $8 billion, including an expanded role in developing a strategic port that will open up access to Central Asia, Iran's envoy to New Delhi said on Friday.

The port of Chabahar in southeast Iran is central to India's efforts to circumvent arch-rival Pakistan and open up a route to landlocked Afghanistan where it has developed close security ties and economic interests.

Rouhani suggested the larger role for India during a meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the sidelines of a summit in Russia days before the historic nuclear deal between Iran and world powers, Iran's ambassador to India told Reuters.

"The potential between Iran and India is great but we were just facing such a wall of sanctions, wall of American pressure," ambassador Gholamreza Ansari said.


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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby chanakyaa » 18 Jul 2015 18:38

manjgu wrote:this is not an excuse but the reason... i mean when india cant deal with a country 1/7 of its size.. has millions shitting along railways lines... has dire poverty..no one is going to take india seriously. We will have to learn to compete with not only china but others as well. this neta - babu ( ias, ifs.. ) is ruinng this country no end.

Errrr. Bhy bhy sooo negative. Fixing "Millions $hitting along the railway line" is screaming out opportunity and source of employment. Imagine when new homes are constructed, pipelines are built to carry sewage, water, gas, cable, phone, internet how many jobs will it create and billions added to India's GDP. India needs bizness with Iran, but the opportunities at home are thousand times more than sending skilled/unskilled workers to a backward country like Iran. In western countries they will give up a lot to have an underdeveloped situation convert into shiny developed cities.

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Postby manjgu » 18 Jul 2015 20:12

the point is we cant be a big player in intl arena till we fix our country...Does anyone take India seriously? while i hope Modi ji can take the right decisions... the population explosion ( and i hate the demographic dividend expression) is ruining this country. coupled with neta babu combo i hope we can still salvage something? !! its not going to be easy in iran competing with chinese, europeans, russians, Americans..

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Dipanker » 18 Jul 2015 22:22

UlanBatori wrote:
But is blood thicker than water?

Oil is. I don't think gas is. :mrgreen: Question is: Are Eyeranian Baboon thicker than Desi Baboon.


Our Babuoon are thicker. They have wasted a few billion in Afghanistan, they will spend a few more in trying to reach Central Asia through Chabahar route and when they finally get there they will discover basket case nations like Tajikistan, Uzbekistan , Kyrgyzstan to trade with. The rest of the stans are already taken.

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Postby chanakyaa » 18 Jul 2015 22:41

manjgu wrote:... its not going to be easy in iran competing with chinese, europeans, russians, Americans..

Let me ask you two question.

What are the competitive advantages Indians have, that "chinese, europeans, russians, Americans" collectively do not have? and secondly,

If, in theory (we are speaking hypothetically here), India liberalized 100% of its economy, meaning allowing any and all foreign companies to operate in India along with Indian companies without any restrictions/barriers, do you believe it is going to be easy for Indian companies to compete in India for business?

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Postby A_Gupta » 19 Jul 2015 06:10

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/07/18 ... har-ansari
The above is an Iranian news-source.
ran has offered India $8 billion worth of infrastructure projects, including a stake in developing the strategic port of Chabahar, the country’s ambassador to New Delhi has said.

The two countries signed an MoU in May for Chabahar’s development in southeast Iran but a commercial accord is needed to implement the pact.

New Delhi wants to use the port’s potentials for connectivity, including its terminals to operate container and multi-purpose cargo ships for trade with Afghanistan and the Central Asian countries.

Ambassador Gholamreza Ansari said President Hassan Rouhani had offered Prime Minister Narendra Modi an expanded role for India to play in Iran’s connectivity plans.

"Connectivity is the main policy of Modi that coincides with Iran's government policy. We have offered them, in connectivity, $8 billion of projects," the Indian media quoted Ansari as saying.

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Postby manjgu » 19 Jul 2015 06:39

@udaym q1) NONE AT ALL. in fact you should have asked 'What competitive DISadvantages does India ... ". The other countries can bring in much more cash, faster project implementation, possibly superior technology as well. and more importantly plead Irans case on the high table. I am sure the russians and chinese will be rewarded for their support during the N talks... and also for securing their support in UNSC if needed...?!

q2) this is the reason that GOI does not allow 100% ... since it does not consider indian industry mature enough or with enough financial muscle to compete with foreign companies.

Didnt quite the drift of your questions

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Kinda explains why all the action is on the western side.

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Postby chanakyaa » 20 Jul 2015 05:40

@manjgu, thanks for the post. One of the challenge with dealing with a country such as Iran, who has massive hydrocarbons, they don't feel compelled to develop industries in its own country because it is very easy to attract foreign currency using hydrocarbon. And, once you have foreign currency Iran can buy anything and everything from the world (especially US, EU, CN, and RU) to build its economy. Having this ability to attract $$ or Euro does not require Iran to necessarily find out ways to produce and send stuff (other than hydrocarbon) to India (a huge consumer market), which along with weaker position of Indian companies (compared to foreign companies) makes bilateral trade from significantly growing, unfortunately. In addition, as you said, the drama put together by P5+1 of prolonged negotiations in part may have been done, in part, to put pressure on Iranians to give favorable treatment to P5+1 companies.

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Postby manjgu » 20 Jul 2015 22:04

@udyam...thats true. but iranian are a bit different from other countries in middle east. while its true they will use hydrocarbons to buy stuff but they are not as dumb as other arabs ( though they hate word arabs and call themselves persians). they will use oppurtunity to set up industries etc. i understand they have a good auto parts industry, a reasonable defence industry , of course a good N programme, good pool of enginners and scientists unlike many other countries in middle east. it will take time but they have the cash to play with . and yes its true P5+1 will take their blood money as well... and this is what will make it hard for indians going forward.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 20 Jul 2015 22:25

Article on the Iran deal with US

Part of the analysis does not say anything new that has not already been said here in this thread, but this concluding bit is pretty staggering in its naivete

ndia missed the chance to bring the US and Iran together because of a lack of intent and direction, for years. Luckily, India has a chance to make up for some of those missed chances now.


India playing midwife to US-Iran rapprochment has no value to India -- Iran's problems with US could not have been fixed via external third parties, unless those two parties found it in their interests to cut their mutual hostility, as it is happening now (and as recognized by this article where it claims "Daesh" is the reason for their coming together, which seems a simplistic view of the situation).

India under MMS completely GUBO-ed to the US in its Iran policy and is currently paying the price for that -- what leverage did India actually have to be able to perform as a intermediary between US and Iran, when the Indian Diplomats themselves were being given a full body cavity search by the US state dept. intentionally, as it turns out? India's limited political capital in the US was being used to push through the so-call Indo-US123 deal at the time, so where would it have found the diplomatic and political resources to fix some sort of Iran-US kiss-and-make-up process?

Both sides of a conflict need to consider the negotiator as an able entity in being fair and with sufficient influence on both sides...GUBO-ing to the US hardly projects such an image from the POV of the Iranians to consider India as a valid third party. Wonder if this is some lack of a realistic estimation the limits of Indian influence that gives rise to such thought.

Not to mention, Iran was not exactly being very receptive to Indian influence during the second MMS term, due to its recent history with the regime.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Falijee » 21 Jul 2015 01:46

India plans $3 billion aluminum smelter in Iran

India plans a $3 billion aluminum smelter complex in Iran, now that nuclear negotiations between Tehran and the P5+1 countries have concluded, media reports say.


Bid for business

Other Indian companies are reportedly scouting for business opportunities in Iran. Multinational conglomerate Larsen & Toubro is said to be angling for oil and gas projects while Tata Power is looking for power schemes and Adani Enterprises eyeing port investments.

India signed an MoU in May for the development of Chabahar Port in southeast Iran. A commercial accord is still needed to implement the pact. New Delhi says it will use terminals in the port to operate container and multi-purpose cargo ships.

Last month, the second English-language Indian daily, the Hindu, said New Delhi had begun “resetting” ties with Tehran to pave its way for entry into Afghanistan and the Central Asia.

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Postby A_Gupta » 21 Jul 2015 02:33

India-Iran - Tanvi Madan at the Brookings Institute takes a comprehensive look:
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/p ... deal-madan

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Postby Tuvaluan » 21 Jul 2015 02:56

Relationship with the U.S. If the deal is implemented, this will ease what has been a key cause of India-U.S. strain in the recent past. The U.S. Congress, in particular, has previously looked askance at India’s relationship with Iran and especially its oil imports. Indian energy companies like ONGC have also found themselves vulnerable to American sanctions because of their investments in Iran, limiting their ability to operate in the U.S. While they broadly share the goal of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, the effect that sanctions have had in curbing their choices has rankled with Indian policymakers, corporate leaders, and even the public. The potential lifting of the sanctions will thus remove one point of contention between India and the U.S. and potentially open up more space for cooperation in the region.


Cooperation between which two countries? India and Iran, ok, but don't see why India-US cooperation should change because of the US-Iran deal - India's interests in CAR diverge from US interests in the region, especially given US's pakistan policy which has not wavered and is not likely to do so, whether or not the deal with Iran is approved by US congress.

Also, the former Indian NSA quoted in the article is not being named for some reason, but we know who that is, of course.

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Postby Abhay_S » 21 Jul 2015 04:33

Paul wrote:Image


Kinda explains why all the action is on the western side.


Vivek Katju on R S tv mentions that there is a Bandar Abbas lobby against Chabahar port. what is the importance of this port for Iran other than it is outside the straits of Hormouz?

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Postby Agnimitra » 31 Jul 2015 04:22

Iran foreign minister Javad Zarif was best man at Kerry's daughter's wedding in 2009?? And Kerry's son-in-law is Irani...

http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/you-will- ... s-wedding/

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Postby Falijee » 02 Aug 2015 05:39

Al- Jazeera Accuses Iran Of Demolishing Only Sunni Mosque In Teheran

BEIRUT – Iranian security forces have reportedly demolished a prayer hall serving as the only Sunni mosque in the capital Tehran in the latest act of repression against Sunni Muslims residing in the theocratic Shiite state.


The Tehran authorities have justified the demolition with the excuse that the mosque is an illegal center which allows foreigners to come to the country,” the Qatari-owned network added.


Mosque a casualty of inter-ummah civil war ? :roll:

The destruction of the site—which had previously been ordered shut by Iranian authorities in January—prompted the Sunni imam of Zahedan to send protest letters to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and President Hassan Rouhani.


The report added that Iranian government officials have “responded to criticism from Sunni activists regarding restrictions on prayer and worship during Eid by saying that mosques in Iran are open to all Muslims regardless of sect.”
“They have called on Sunnis to show their ‘unity’ with their Shia counterparts and join them in prayer, despite significant differences in ritual.”
Iran has come under international criticism for its restrictions on religious freedoms, including against followers of the Bahai faith—which is not recognized as a religion in the theocratic country—as well as Sunni Muslims, who make up between 5 and 10% of Iran’s population.


Obviously, this is a one -sided report from a Sunni point of view ; no mention of Shia persecution in Pakiland, Saudia and Bahrain :lol:

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Postby Agnimitra » 02 Aug 2015 12:39

Abhay_S wrote:Vivek Katju on R S tv mentions that there is a Bandar Abbas lobby against Chabahar port. what is the importance of this port for Iran other than it is outside the straits of Hormouz?

Chabahar is in Iran-held Baluchistan, and is part of the Makran belt like Gwadar. Iran's province of Seistan-Baluchistan is mainly Sunni Baloch, has been kept poor so far, and is run in colonial fashion.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 02 Aug 2015 18:23

Iranians are masturbating on this Ralph Peters article and map and pretty much concluded that they are in the middle of creating a modern version of Persian Empire. :rotfl:

The Iranian dream of a reborn Persian Empire


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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 03 Aug 2015 17:24

Iran is experiencing a mega heat wave.Israel,is an acknowledged leader in solar energy tech.It should offer Iran a mega solar power plant in exchange for lowering Iran's N-plant ambitions!.
Iran registered a heat index of 74°C (165.2°F) on Friday


A new Persian empire? Some wet dream! The only problem is that there are umpteen millions of Sunnis in the lands on the map. I think that Iran's major objective is to "control" Iraq,thus reducing a serious mil threat to it long term.It hasn't forgotten Saddam's warring with it,when he was supported to the hilt by the West. The Turks also have their own wet dream of a new Ottoman empire,with megalaomaniac Erdogan of the thousand roomed pres. palace fame.Another Nikolae Ceausescu in the making! The only problem with their dream is that the insufferable Kurds,have their own dream of Turdistan..sorry,Kurdistan! The terror in the room though which is threatening to upset all these wet dreams is ISIS who have their own bloody dream of a new Islamic caliphate,which will put Saudi Arabia to shame when it comes to enforcing its interpretation of the Koran.

I think that Israel needs to put up another equivalent of the Berlin wall around its borders not to keep the troublesome Hamas and the Hiz out,but ISIS!

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Falijee » 03 Aug 2015 19:12

India can always be part of our big-ticket projects: :D Iran

Contrast the above news item, with the following disappointing :cry: headline in a leading Pakistan Daily:

US ‘softly’ says no to Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project :rotfl:

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby arun » 03 Aug 2015 19:38

^^^ Excerpt from link to TOI article posted just above:

Asked about the possibility of reviving the Iran-Pakistan- India gas pipeline project, the envoy said it was up to India and Pakistan to sort out their differences.


Forget gas pipeline :wink: .

Lifting of sanctions will also untie Iran from being limited to supplying gas via pipelines to those in their broad neigbourhood by opening access to closely held natural gas liquefaction technology and thereby a much wider market for their natural gas. When commercial sanctions are lifted, India should make an offer of setting up and running a natural gas liquefaction plant in Iran that will exclusively supply India against a guaranteed long term Iranian natural gas supply commitment. The higher cost of such a move will be offset by not having to deal with the inevitable attempts by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to disrupt supply of gas in a pipeline that crosses their territory.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 05 Aug 2015 03:01

Oil has already gone below 40% yesterday on Iran news.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Prem » 05 Aug 2015 03:07

Sunnis in new Persian Empires will keep Shias Busy and shias will keep Sunni in Dhoti shiver outside the empire. Good balancing act for civilized world to keep terror locked and getting pulped in Gulf only.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Gagan » 06 Aug 2015 20:53

Yaa, massa has done a nice equal equal between the shias and the sunnis.
They keep each other in check, spend all the jihadi fervor on each other.

Keeps the rest of the world more peaceful.


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