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Iran News and Discussions

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby member_29325 » 21 Jan 2016 04:02

Why is the shipping ministry involved in getting financing for building roads/railways in Iran? The importance of road/rail link to get to Afghanisthan is probably under the control of the MEA, which should be getting the financing for building this road. What a mess.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 21 Jan 2016 04:03

Would like to slap those officials who speak anonymously and their reporters

Essentially they are undermining NaMo govt.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby member_29325 » 21 Jan 2016 04:20

Wonder what happened to the "no leakage" rules that were enforced at the beginning of the NDA term this time...seems to be violated willy-nilly by every ministry without any repercussions.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby disha » 21 Jan 2016 05:27

Or is it a media puff piece? Even if the officials are silent and NaMo govt. is pursuing a particular strategy., out comes a puff piece by media on how "India is going to pay a high price or under pressure due to its procrastination".

And two, Iran needs a market for its oil as well. With China going down, mean going slow - where else will they sell the oil to? Amreeka? Europe (France/Germany)? South Korea? Only major importer other than the above mentioned is India.

I think India can drive some tough guarantees on Chabahar. Basically, India can be standing on UAE and Chabahar and control its strategic interests in Hormuz.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby member_29294 » 21 Jan 2016 06:07

Sounds like another junk media article, once again quoting 'unnamed' sources.

Iran has no actual pressure on anyone right now, especially with energy prices at an all time low. US, Israel, and SA have made it their life mission to isolate Iran as much as possible.

Still, it would be nice to have this port setup as soon as possible. Out of all the Muslim countries with oil and gas, Iran is the only major one who isn't going to fund Jihadis within India. Plus, Afghanistan needs support against Paki backed destabilization, and the Iranian route is the only way to reach them.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby deejay » 21 Jan 2016 08:50

From what I read on some Iranian twitter handles a week back, multple crude tankers were loaded and ready to ship to India, waiting for sanctions to be lifted. At that time I thought that it was good proactive measures of the government to be ready for the lifting of sanctions but instead the media is printing stories of how we are under prepared.

IMO, this is deliberate playing up of reports with a negative bent. My view is that
Kakkaji wrote:...

Apparently, Iran had asked India to speed up the work at Chabahar Port during the 18th session of the India-Iran Joint Commission (JCM) that took place last month. It was co-chaired by External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and Iran’s Minister of Economic Affairs and Finance Ali Tayebnia.

Apart from this, India is also now speeding up talks for picking up stake in Iran LNG Terminal. After discussions, both sides have decided to complete the talks by February 6 with a one-month grace period. ONGC Videsh Ltd just held a meeting with the Iranian authorities last week, the official said.

...


the quoted meeting happened because we were alert to the developments and we are lagging in work at Chabahar because of our long inaction before 2014. These ministerial meetings don't just happen in a flash and a lot of the ground work happens before. So yes, Iran wants us to finish the Chabahar port soon but that is because we have been able to unruffle some twisted feathers in Iran because of our proactive measures.

The same holds true for all other projetcs.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby NRao » 24 Jan 2016 21:30

Another change in the making.

Iran and China agree closer ties after sanctions ease

China's Xi Jinping is one of the first world leaders to visit Iran since international sanctions were lifted.

The two leaders signed 17 agreements on a range of issues from energy to boosting trade to $600bn (£420bn).

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said he and Mr Xi had signed a "comprehensive 25-year document" on strategic relations.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Y. Kanan » 25 Jan 2016 10:43

NRao wrote:Another change in the making.

Iran and China agree closer ties after sanctions ease

China's Xi Jinping is one of the first world leaders to visit Iran since international sanctions were lifted.

The two leaders signed 17 agreements on a range of issues from energy to boosting trade to $600bn (£420bn).

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said he and Mr Xi had signed a "comprehensive 25-year document" on strategic relations.


I guess it's now becoming clear that going along with the American sanctions was a bad idea. We sacrificed our own economic and political interests to please Washington and as usual it didn't work out for us. If I were the Iranians I wouldn't trust us either; from their point if view we're just anither American lapdog. Of course this isn't a fair description; even laptops get the occasional treat. We just get kicked by our master now and again.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Agnimitra » 30 Mar 2016 22:04

FYI - Interesting that Ted Cruz chose Iran war supporter Frank Gaffney as top foreign policy advisor. Gaffney once claimed that President Obama is Muslim, said Hillary was associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, and that Iran was very much involved in 9/11. His think tank has been allied with the MeK (the anti-regime expat lobby group) which has lost ground to the National Iranian-American Council (NIAC) which has pretty much been Iran's lobby group in the US. So the NIAC is going ballistic and now preparing to target Cruz.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby arun » 16 Apr 2016 09:18

X Posted from the “Indian Foreign Policy” thread.

Excerpt from the final communique of the OIC meet dealing with Jammu & Kashmir shows yet another misstep regards the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by the BJP led Government of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi:

FINAL COMMUNIQUE OF THE 13TH ISLAMIC SUMMIT OF THE HEADS OF STATE/GOVERNMENT OF THE OIC MEMBER STATES

Date: 15/04/2016

21. The Conference reaffirmed its principled support forthe people of Jammu and Kashmir for the realization of their legitimate right to self-determination, in accordance with relevant UN resolutions and aspirations of the people of Jammu and Kashmir. It further reaffirmed that Jammu and Kashmir is the core dispute between Pakistan and India and its resolution is indispensable for bringing peace in South Asia.

22. The Conference called on India to implement numerous UN resolutions on Kashmir which declare that the final disposition of the State of Jammu and Kashmir would be made in accordance with the will of the people expressed through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations. It further reminded the international community of its obligation to ensure implementation of UN resolutions on Kashmir and fulfill the promise made with the people of Jammu and Kashmir 68 year ago.

23. The Conference affirmed its support to the wide-spread indigenous movement of the people of the Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IOK) for their right to self-determination. It urged that freedom struggle must not be equated with terrorism.

24. The Conference expressed concern at the indiscriminate use of force and gross violations of human rights committed in IOK by Indian security forces which have resulted in killing thousands of innocent and unarmed civilians as well as injuring hundreds of others including women, children and elderly, most recently the killing of a 22 year old woman, Ms. Shaista Hameed in Pulwama on 14 February 2016.

25. The Conference welcomed the establishment of a standing mechanism by the OIC Independent Permanent Human Rights Commission (IPHRC) for monitoring the human rights situation in the Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir. The Conference called upon India to allow the OIC Fact Finding Mission and the international human rights groups and humanitarian organizations to visit IOK. The Conference endorsed the recommendations of the OIC Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir. It took note of the Memorandum presented by the True Representatives of the Kashmiri People to the Contact Group at its recent meeting.

26. The Conference called on the Islamic Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization (ISESCO) and the Research Center for Islamic History, Art and Culture (IRCICA) to undertake activities to protect holy sites in Kashmir and preserve cultural rights and Islamic heritage. The Conference appealed to the Member States and Muslim institutions to grant scholarships to the Kashmiri students in deferent universities and institutions in OIC countries.



OIC declaration on Jammu & Kashmir proves former Ambassador M.K.Bhadra Kumar was right when he dismissed the agreement on terrorism between India and Saudi Arabia concluded earlier this month as being about Iran rather than the Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s and BJP Party’s spin that it targeted the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Very disappointing that the Saudi’s have certainly befooled our Prime Minister at the minimal cost of granting a civilian award. Then off course there is the separate but related matter of the counter-terrorism agreement with the UAE which once again was touted as a major success against the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

A second outcome of Modi’s Saudi visit, duly highlighted by our spin doctors, is that the two countries are entering an unprecedented level of cooperation and coordination in the security field in the fight against terrorism. The joint statement devoted four paragraphs to it.

However, a dark cloud has appeared on the horizon in no time, with a Saudi official claiming that they read the joint statement largely as aimed at Iran, which, they believe is fostering terrorism in the region. Of course, our security czars had assumed that Modi brilliantly secured Saudi Arabia’s support in controlling Pakistani state sponsorship of terrorism.

In fact, the Pakistani coverage of Modi’s Saudi visit confirms an impression that Salman may have used Modi’s shoulder to take a pot-shot at the Iranians. Perhaps, that explains why Salman felt so obliged to Modi as to confer the Abdulaziz Sash, our PM’s controversial reputation on the Arab Street as the “butcher of Gujarat” notwithstanding.

Unsurprisingly, adrenaline began flowing in the Saudi veins and they have since imposed new measures against Iran by closing the Saudi air space to Iranian civilian flights and prohibiting tankers carrying Iranian crude from transiting Saudi waters (external links here and here).


Salman probably concluded that with Modi on his side, Iran’s regional “isolation” is now complete. Indeed, the Saudis have offered to Modi that they can replace Iran as India’s key energy partner in the region. They are paranoid about the prospect of an imminent reset of India-Iran ties.

Rediff

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 28 Apr 2016 23:54

X-posting...
chetak wrote:The iranians are as slimy as the pakis, hope someone in GOI is watchful


http://www.khorasannews-en.com/en/doc/news/3529/iran-reports-huge-rail-purchase-from-india




Iran reports huge rail purchase from India
Monday 25 April 2016 12:52

Iran says it has purchased 250,000 tons of rails from India through a scheme that envisages an almost full payment for the purchase by the India government.

Iran said on Sunday that it had made a major purchase of rails from India, adding the payment for almost the entire of the purchase had been made by New Delhi,Press TV reported.

Mohsen Pour-Seyyed Aqaei, the managing director of the Islamic Republic of Iran Railways (IRIR), has been quoted by the media as saying that the total weight of the rails that have been purchased from India stands at 250,000 tons.

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Iran says it has purchased 250,000 tons of rails from India through a scheme that envisages an almost full payment for the purchase by the India government.

“Five percent of the funds required for the purchase will be provided by the IRIR,” said Pour-Seyyed Aqaei. “The remaining 95 percent of the funds will be provided by the Indian government.”
The official further added that the rails will be used to develop the train network across Iran over the current Iranian calendar year which ends in March 2017.
He also emphasized that the priority for the IRIR is to provide its required rails from domestic sources, but added that the leading supplier in the market – Esfahan Steel Company (also known as Zob Ahan) – is yet to announce when it can supply IRIR’s demands.
Last July, IRIR’s Deputy Director Saeid Mohammadzadeh was quoted by the media as saying that India plans to finance exporting about 150,000 tons of standard rail tracks to Iran.
Mohammadzadeh said that India has created a special mechanism to support exports of rail tracks to Iran through the “full finance” scheme, and that Iran will not pay anything in return.

Officials in Tehran have already emphasized that Iran wants to spend up to $8 billion over the next six years to revamp and expand its railway network.
To the same effect, they have emphasized that the country will need about 3 million tons of steel rails to connect all major cities, industrial centers and also ports for faster evacuation of goods.


It could be a follow-up from recent Sushma Swaraj visit to Tehran. It was announced then India would supply the rails as its contribution to the rail network.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby SSridhar » 18 May 2016 12:18

Chabahar tops agenda of Modi’s visit to Iran - Suhasini Haidar, The Hindu
Prime Minister Narendra Modi will travel to Iran on Sunday, the government announced, even as sources told The Hindu that he will follow it up with a visit Afghanistan in June.

Both visits — in what India considers its “extended neighbourhood” — will focus on infrastructure development.

The Chabahar port development project will top Mr. Modi’s agenda in Iran, while he is expected to visit Afghanistan to inaugurate the $300-million Salma dam and hydroelectric power plant, known as the Afghanistan-India friendship dam.

Mr. Modi’s visits will complete the triangle as he is expected to sign the trilateral trade treaty with Iran and Afghanistan for Chabahar, which was finalised during External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj’s trip to Tehran last month.

Reconstruction project


“The transmission lines [for the hydroelectric plant] have been handed over, and we are conducting the final testing for power generation,” a senior official from the MEA said, adding India hoped to complete the 42MW reconstruction project, which was started in 2006, “very soon.”

According to the official, the exact dates for the Prime Minister’s visit, that would come five months after his last visit to Kabul when he inaugurated the Parliament building, were “still being finalised.”

On Tuesday, the Ministry of External Affairs announced that Mr. Modi would visit Iran on May 22-23 to meet President Hassan Rouhani in an official visit that would “provide a timely thrust to the ongoing efforts of the two countries and their business entities to expand bilateral cooperation and mutually benefit from new opportunities in the wake of lifting of secondary sanctions against Iran earlier this year.”

The Prime Minister will also meet the ‘Supreme Leader’ Ali Khamenei, marking his first visit to the country after the historic nuclear agreement with world powers was signed, and the U.S. lifted secondary sanctions in January 2016.

Repayment of dues

As The Hindu reported on Monday, among issues on the agenda are agreeing on a channel for repayment of $6.5 billion in unpaid dues from India to appropriate corresponding banks in Iran, an Memorandum of Understanding on developing the Chabahar port project and the trilateral transit trade agreement with Afghanistan, India’s stake in the Farzad-B oilfields, the announcement of investments from Indian companies in the Chabahar “Free Trade Zone,” and security and defence pacts.

“The visit of Prime Minister to Iran will seek to build on these commonalities by focussing on specific cooperation in regional connectivity and infrastructure, developing energy partnership, boosting bilateral trade, facilitating people-to-people interaction in various spheres and promoting peace and stability in the region,” an MEA release read.

Mr. Modi’s visit to Iran is a rare stand-alone visit indicating that India hopes to fast-track ties and build on the alternative route for trade with Afghanistan and Central Asia.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Kakkaji » 21 May 2016 04:58

Triple strategy to seal Iran ties - Modi banks on money, pacts and Obama nod

New Delhi, May 20: When Prime Minister Narendra Modi flies to Iran on Sunday, he will revive a long-dormant but key transit and security partnership with Tehran using a $150-million loan, a series of signed commitments and a quiet nod from his "friend Barack" Obama's administration.

Modi will offer the loan for the time-bound development of two terminals and five berths at Iran's Chabahar port on the Gulf of Oman, which New Delhi views as a gateway to landlocked Central Asia, senior officials said today.

The Prime Minister will separately join Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani in signing a trilateral agreement for a highway corridor that will give India access to Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan.

The corridor will link Chabahar to Zahedan in southeast Iran, and then cut into Afghanistan till Zaranj in that country's southwest.

"The trilateral agreement using Chabahar-Zahedan-Zaranj as a corridor will be a game-changer for regional connectivity, especially for Afghanistan to find an assured and reliable access to India via sea," Gopal Baglay, joint secretary in charge of ties with Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, said.

"The route will also significantly enhance the prospects for India's connectivity with Afghanistan and Central Asia."

Also, a key message India is now in a position to convey to Iran may help iron out a challenge that affects the relationship even after the West lifted the nuclear-related sanctions against Tehran.

India owes Iran $6.5 billion in dues for past oil purchases, a transaction stuck because of European and Turkish banks' reluctance to channel the money even in euros.

The US has, however, told India it would soon send a team of experts to New Delhi and other world capitals to clarify that Washington has no problems in trade with Iran in euros.

"We should be able to resolve this matter very soon," Baglay said.

India Ports Global Private Limited, a joint venture between the Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust and the Kandla Port Trust, will during Modi's visit sign a commercial contract with Iranian firm Arya Banader to develop Chabahar, officials said.

The contract and the trilateral agreement will cap hectic, year-long lobbying by the Indian government with Iran after years of neglecting the relationship.

The outreach began with a visit by transport minister Nitin Gadkari to Tehran last May to sign a memorandum of understanding on Chabahar. It was followed by visits by the foreign secretary, oil minister and foreign minister to Iran.

Modi met Rouhani on the margins of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Ufa, Russia, last July. National security adviser Ajit Doval then made a secret visit to Iran in August to discuss the possibility of using some of the Chabahar berths for naval ship visits.

The frequent parleys, which began before the West reached a deal with Iran to lift the nuclear-related sanctions, were aimed at signalling a willingness to revive a relationship that had suffered under the weight of American sanctions.

For India, which has long struggled to enhance trade with Central Asia, Afghanistan and even Russia because of a lack of viable transit routes, the Chabahar port and the trilateral pact offer a pathway to economic benefits.

The pacts are also a key part of a security partnership India is trying to expand with Iran, amid shared concerns over the threat posed by the Islamic State in West Asia and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

But while negotiating with India on these deals, Iran has frequently aired concerns about New Delhi's delivery on promises.

"We need to deliver on our commitments," Meena Singh Roy, an Iran expert and a research fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, told The Telegraph earlier this week.


Modi's biggest challenge will be to convince Iran about India's commitment to the relationship, officials and experts said.

The Export-Import Bank of India will sign an agreement in Tehran committing to a $150-million soft loan for the development of Chabahar port. India expects to invest more than $200 million in the project.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Prem » 22 May 2016 22:32

PM Modi in Gurudwra in Tehran
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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 22 May 2016 23:19

Quite Pathetic. So called Indian "experts" definition of India-Iran cultural relations is all about what turkic barbarians who adopted persian did in India and their "influence" on India. Not a single word on how Indian civilization influenced Iran. We have partially deracinated about ourselves from western colonialism but haven't done so with respect to middle eastern colonialism. Why does no India or even "Hindu right" talk about returning peacock throne and daria i noor diamond looted by Nader Shah like we do with Britain ?

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Postby RoyG » 23 May 2016 03:55

Rony wrote:Quite Pathetic. So called Indian "experts" definition of India-Iran cultural relations is all about what turkic barbarians who adopted persian did in India and their "influence" on India. Not a single word on how Indian civilization influenced Iran. We have partially deracinated about ourselves from western colonialism but haven't done so with respect to middle eastern colonialism. Why does no India or even "Hindu right" talk about returning peacock throne and daria i noor diamond looted by Nader Shah like we do with Britain ?


Ronyji,

It's b/c we're imbeciles of the highest order.

I hope this answers your query.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Kakkaji » 23 May 2016 04:51

Chabahar agreement: Heralding a new era of regional integration

The signing of the Agreement in the presence of the leaders of all the three countries highlights the importance the trio attaches to the port. Located in the Sistan-Baluchistan Province on Iran’s southeastern coast, the port would connect South Asia with Central Asia, Gulf, Europe and the Caucasus, and considerably cut transportation costs and time, thereby proving to be a win-win situation for all the stakeholders.

The Agreement would provide Afghanistan, a land-locked country, an alternate access to a sea port. Thereby, it would considerably boost the country’s connectivity with the regional and international markets. Using the extant Iranian road network, the port is easily accessible from Zaranj in Afghanistan, which is less than 900 km away from Chabahar. Furthermore, using the Zaranj-Delaram highway, built by India in 2009, the port could be accessed by four of the major cities of Afghanistan; Herat, Kandahar, Kabul and Mazar-e-Sharif, via the garland road network.

India stands to gain an alternate access to Afghanistan via Iran, besides strengthening its energy security by investing in Iran’s oil and gas projects and gaining access to Central Asian energy reserves. The port is easily accessible from Indian western ports of Mumbai and Kandla.

While, Iran would benefit from increased trade, earn transit fees and witness major infrastructural investments and developments. Also, development of Chabahar port will have a multiplier effect on the growth of its economy and boost foreign investments in the country.

(The author is Afghan Ambassador to India)

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Agnimitra » 23 May 2016 18:31

RoyG wrote:
Rony wrote:Quite Pathetic. So called Indian "experts" definition of India-Iran cultural relations is all about what turkic barbarians who adopted persian did in India and their "influence" on India. Not a single word on how Indian civilization influenced Iran. We have partially deracinated about ourselves from western colonialism but haven't done so with respect to middle eastern colonialism. Why does no India or even "Hindu right" talk about returning peacock throne and daria i noor diamond looted by Nader Shah like we do with Britain ?


Ronyji,

It's b/c we're imbeciles of the highest order.

I hope this answers your query.

Imbeciles indeed:

viewtopic.php?p=1200429#p1200429

viewtopic.php?p=1200975#p1200975

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ShauryaT » 23 May 2016 21:42

The action in Iran needs to be welcomed. As much as I did prefer that GoI NOT wait for the US nod to expand our relationship, which if done would have been special to the Iranians. Nevertheless late but welcome. Apart from a link over sea, the link over land should be a demand from the Iranis as a pressure point to Pakistan. We should escalate this issue of transit rights and pressure Pakistan to cave in on the issue. Need to restore these land links as a pre-cursor to re-establish cultural links and let our soft power do the magic. On hard power, we need to move at double speed for China has already invested in a huge manner in Iran.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 24 May 2016 04:55

Read and weep about the ignorance of our supposed "Hindu nationalist" PM. If he is referring to Tulsidas's Ramacharita manas, then he should have specified it as such and mention that it was written in middle dark ages by a north Indian when the barbarians were ruling north India and it was limited to north India only. I have not seen any leaders as shameless as Indian leaders who goes to ridiculous levels to impress their hosts with half truths.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Kakkaji » 24 May 2016 05:01

Sanskrit and Farsi are both Indo-Aryan languages. They may have words in common

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 24 May 2016 05:07

Kakkaji wrote:Sanskrit and Farsi are both Indo-Aryan languages. They may have words in common


So Valmiki Ramayana has farsi words ? please cite some sir :rotfl:

Modi i think is referring to tulasidas work which was written in north India around 15th century when the persianized turkic barbarians were already ruling parts of north India and tulsidas might have borrowed some (even that is just a claim with no proof given).

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Amber G. » 24 May 2016 06:02

^^^
Many words such as "sena", "kshatra", "yagya (yagna), "asura" are common in Farsi and Sanskrit..
See this for example..

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Prem » 24 May 2016 08:24

Hassan Rouhani ‏@HassanRouhani 5h5 hours ago
#Chabahar agreement is not only an economic achievement but also a political & regional one that develops and strengthens the whole region.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby chetak » 24 May 2016 08:48

Jhujar wrote:Hassan Rouhani ‏@HassanRouhani 5h5 hours ago
#Chabahar agreement is not only an economic achievement but also a political & regional one that develops and strengthens the whole region.



Some how, I cannot shake off a feeling of unease about this entire Indo Iran stuff.

Can't quite put my finger on it but I wonder how far we can trust these sods.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby member_23370 » 24 May 2016 08:59

Nobody trusts anyone blindly. Why would we? It provides an alternate route to afghanistan and central asia and Iran gets revenue.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby JE Menon » 24 May 2016 09:18

It can't be a situation where good relations with Iran are bad, and bad relations are also bad.... Read this thread from start and you'll see that strain repeatedly. GoI has managed relations with Iran very well, all things considered. Even previous GoIs.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 24 May 2016 15:43

Amber G. wrote:^^^
Many words such as "sena", "kshatra", "yagya (yagna), "asura" are common in Farsi and Sanskrit..
See this for example..


Those are Persian words derived from Sanskrit (as the link itself says) , not common words. Actually this is a very good example of Indian influence on Persian which Modi and Indian experts should have highlighted. Instead its all about how Persian which was imposed by turks on north India influenced Urdu and north Indian culture and languages.
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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 24 May 2016 15:50

Ronyji,

It's b/c we're imbeciles of the highest order.

I hope this answers your query.




RoyG, you may be right and thats the only explanation i can think of as well.

Beautiful posts Agnimitra. This is exactly what we should do, emphasizing our influence on them in Pre-Islamic times and even during Islamic times , our influence on their sciences. Instead we emphasize on their cultural influence on our muslim heritage which is not even direct but indirectly through turks and does not even cover majority of Indians. How pathetic and shameless. Its one thing for Iranians to do that (and they do that all the time) but why Indians are so imbeciles to do that, God only knows.
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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Arjun » 24 May 2016 15:55

Rony wrote:Its one thing for Iranians to do that (and they do that all the time) but why Indians are so imbeciles to do that, God only knows.

Because we are in suckup phase with the Iranians now...its all transactional.

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Postby Rony » 24 May 2016 16:01

Arjun wrote:
Rony wrote:Its one thing for Iranians to do that (and they do that all the time) but why Indians are so imbeciles to do that, God only knows.

Because we are in suckup phase with the Iranians now...its all transactional.


thats even a bigger problem mate.

Manmohan sucks up to the Brits essentially saying British colonization is not bad.

Modi sucks up to the Iranians saying Ramayana has Persian words.

I understand transactional relations and all that but why go to this extent and use half truths and lies to demean yourselves and your civilization just to make your hosts feel good.This is very peculiar to us Indians.

If we want to suck up to them, we could copy from the chinese and invent some "deeper than, taller than, sweeter than" useless ambiguous adjectives instead of making us look like a cultural vassal.

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Postby Arjun » 24 May 2016 16:18

Rony wrote:thats even a bigger problem mate.

Manmohan sucks up to the Brits essentially saying British colonization is not bad.

Modi sucks up to the Iranians saying Ramayana has Persian words.

I understand transactional relations and all that but why go to this extent and use half truths and lies to demean yourselves and your civilization just to make your hosts feel good.This is very peculiar to us Indians.

No I don't quite see the comparison..

I can't think of anything in particular that India wanted from the British that warranted MMS to suckup to them a few years back....Rather, in his case - it seems to be a strongly held ideological belief on his part. To put it delicately, I would say that there seems to be some part of Punjab that really does have a bit of 'sepoy' mentality (incidentally bulk of British sepoys after 1857 were from the Punjab).

In the Iranian case - the NDA govt started the Chabahaar process in 2003 - then the UPA govt sat on it for a decade allowing Gwadar to gain prominence...and now NDA seems to be again going allout for this initiative.

Look at the number of areas we are sucking up to the Iranians on- Modi's Israel trip that was supposed to have happened has been virtually put on hold now, Sushma Swaraj met with the Iranan leader wearing the most repulsive 'burkha'-like covering I could have ever imagined on any proud Hindu lady, and now this Modi language on Farsi etc...

I personally dont agree with the substance of any of these suckup measures - but strategically speaking what we are aiming for with Chabahar is worth some big-time sucking up (IF it is the case that this is the only way to step on the gas..)

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby JE Menon » 24 May 2016 16:21

The speech Modi made has enough references of our influence on them... Jataka, Panchatantra, etc... However, he did actually say the Ramayana has about 250 words in Persian. It is unlikely he wrote the speech himself, but I for one would like to know who wrote it, and what these 250 words are...

Interesting though is his heavy emphasis on Persian. No mention of Islam (apart from a reference to Hazrat Nizamuddin, Ajmer Sheri and Sufis). In context, it is a very interesting speech especially if you see where the emphasis lies...

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby JE Menon » 24 May 2016 18:29

And for further upward BP mobility, kindly peruse:

https://news.stanford.edu/2015/09/09/sa ... re-090915/

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Postby schinnas » 24 May 2016 18:36

It is very possible that Tulsidas Ramayana - unlike the original and much more authentic and ancient work by Valmiki does have Persian and Urdu words.

http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content ... 203487/005

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Postby Kakkaji » 24 May 2016 18:48

We have to suck up, as China is making a big play to keep Iran away from us. China can offer them much more than we can.

Chabahar allowing us to bypass Pakistan is very important. Equally important is access to cheap gas from Iran on a long-term basis.

The initiative started by ABV was summarily dropped by MMS. While US sanctions were partly responsible, the MMS Govt went too far in shunning Iran. IIRC, on occasion India voted against Iran in the UN, when just abstention would have sufficed. IIRC, he also made public statements like 'the world community cannot allow Iran to go nuclear'. Those days will not be easily forgotten by Iran. The Iranians are justifiably sceptical of India's steadfastedness, and its ability to execute on promises. That is why NaMo has to do extra suck up.

Also, please consider the Shia/ Sunni schisms being led by Iran and Saudi Arabia (which is a chief patron of Pakistan), and how it plays out among IMs in India.

Alienating Iran was one of the biggest F-ups of MMS foreign policy, so now Modi has to make up by suck up.

JMT.

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Postby schinnas » 24 May 2016 18:54

Remember - Iran needs India as much as India needs Iran. India is the fastest growing energy market in Asia. If India fully goes into the Sunni camp for its energy needs, it will be a big downer for Iran economically. Besides, Iran would want to grow its ports and become a transit hub which Chabhahar port offers. China by investing in CPEC is working against interests of Iran on this count. Finally, no country, especially a proud one like Iran would not want to become a munna to Cheen.

Iran needs India as much as India needs Iran if not more. We dont need to suck up, except to drive home a message of sincerity. MMS govt did mess up our Iran relations.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Kakkaji » 24 May 2016 19:12

3 years from now, when we would have executed on the Chabahar port, the rail line to Zahedan, and the Chabahar SEZ with urea plant and aluminium smelters, India will be in a much stronger negotiating position with Iran.

Modi understands this, and hence he has made Gadkari in-charge of the execution part.


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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Agnimitra » 24 May 2016 21:05

Modi's sucking up to Iran may be needed to undo the damage MMS did with his servility to US diktat, backstabbing Iran. In the medium term, we need to keep Iran and Pak apart. In the long term, some of the Arabs will be more reliable allies and cultural cousins, and Iran will be the major enemy. The urheimat of the Ahuras can never be one with the bosom of the Devas, unless it is completely subjugated and cleansed.


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