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Wow this is big. NIAC has been raising a lot of funds and lobbying against sanctions, and is also viscerally opposed to the alleged reactivation of the Mojahedin e Khalq against the Iranian regime.

Trita Parsi, its leader, has (or had) a good reputation as a "sane" and anti-war "Iranian-American intellectual" who is an "expert" on the region. His usual refrain is that by being too hard on Iran, the US is waging war on the "Iranian people" rather than the regime. He favours "diplomacy", and also plays the guilt card about how America "missed" an opportunity to dialogue with Iran during Khatami's presidency. I used to sympathize with Trita, but this hackneyed theme and total refusal to tackle head-on the core issue of Islamism is wearing thin on many former sympathizers.

Moreover, just like that other Iranian "expert on Islam and the Middle East" - Vali Nasr - likes to try to lobby and coach the US in paying Jizya to Pakistan and other Islamist forces, Trita Parsi seems to try to broker a Hudaibiyyah. That's just my impression so far.

Sanctioning Iran’s American Allies
NIAC ordered to pay nearly $200K in legal fees
An Iranian-American group suspected of acting as Tehran’s lobbying shop in Washington, D.C., was ordered to pay nearly $200,000 in “sanctions” April 9 after launching a failed defamation lawsuit against one of its chief critics.

The left-leaning National Iranian American Council (NIAC) was ordered earlier this month to pay $183,480 to the legal defense fund of Hassan Daioleslam, an Iranian-American writer who has accused NIAC of failing to disclose its clandestine lobbying efforts, which are believed to include efforts to roll back sanctions on Tehran.

NIAC, which describes itself as a nonprofit educational organization, sued Daioleslam in 2008, alleging he defamed the group by claiming NIAC has lobbied U.S. government officials on Tehran’s behalf.

Founded and run by Trita Parsi, NIAC emerged as one of Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s principal backers during the pitched battle over his controversial nomination to the Pentagon.

Federal District Court Judge John B. Bates cleared Daioleslam of the defamation charges in September of last year in a decision that criticized NIAC for deliberately withholding and altering critical documents during an exhaustive discovery process.

Bates then ordered NIAC pay a portion of Daioleslam’s legal expenses in an April 9 follow-up order. NIAC is appealing.

Bates wrote that his “judgment is entered in favor of defendant [Daioleslam] and against plaintiffs [NIAC] on the merits and that judgment in the amount of $183,480.09, plus interest,” according to the order.

Bates’ decision caps a protracted court battle over NIAC’s true activities, which could have violated U.S. disclosure laws governing lobbying.

“This decision is a victory for the First Amendment and the free discussion of Islamist terrorism,” said Sam Nunberg, director of the Legal Project, which coordinated Daioleslam’s pro bono defense along with the law firm Sidley Austin LLP.

“Parsi and NIAC’s predatory suit was a failing attempt to intimidate open discourse on their illicit activities and motives on behalf of the Iranian regime,” Nunberg said. “Ironically, Mr. Daioleslam’s original work was not only vindicated through NIAC documents revealed during discovery, but only the tip of the iceberg.”

NIAC, which continues to maintain it won the case despite Bates’s decision, has filed an appeal to a D.C. circuit court panel.

The group claims Daioleslam’s “pro-war,” “neoconservative” defense team fabricated “false and nonexistent discovery issues to facilitate exorbitant costs for NIAC.”

“NIAC strongly disagrees with the decision to share the costs of this process,” the group said in a statement posted on its website. “NIAC should not bear any responsibility for Daioleslam’s failure to produce any evidence to back up his egregious claims as well as his grotesquely disproportionate and wasteful discovery tactics.”

“NIAC anticipates that a D.C. circuit panel will recognize that Judge Bates’s cost-shifting orders contained multiple errors and therefore should be reversed or vacated,” the statement said.

However, Bates’ initial opinion outlined NIAC’s repeated attempts to alter internal documents, as well as withhold critical pieces of correspondence that may have exposed their alleged pro-Tehran lobbying efforts.

NIAC withheld more than 4,000 calendar appointments that had been subpoenaed and deleted some 82 references to the word “lobbying.”

While NIAC maintains Daioleslam “retreated from his outrageous claims,” Daioleslam denied that claim in an interview with the Washington Free Beacon.

“Just to see the statement [NIAC] released shows how they lie easily,” Daioleslam said. “They were caught by the judge and have to pay, but they still lie.”

Bates’ decision is “a punishment because they lied,” he added. “What they said to the court is untrue.”

“They are lobbying for the regime” in Iran, Daioleslam said, reiterating his original claim that sparked the lawsuit. “Trita for years has seen he has support in the State Department and many places, and he can get away with whatever he wants.”

Nunberg said Parsi and NIAC are upset they could not strong-arm Daioleslam into recanting his statements.

“As a result of Parsi and NIAC’s blatant malfeasance and disregard for the rule of law, now not only have they lost all credibility but are also faced with $183,480.09 problems,” Nunberg said. “The scales of justice certainly tipped on the side of freedom and national security in this matter.”
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X-post from Islamism thread:

Canadian terror plot linked to al Qaeda in Iran

The "Al Qaeda in Iran" bit is being dismissed derisively. But Iranian state media is often supportive of Islamism across the Arab world, and even in Pakistan - even where it entails genocide of local Shi'a populations. Also, post-Afghan war, Iran has also been more supportive of the Taliban and making close kissing noises with Pakistan - quite different from pre-9/11 days.

Need to keep a closer watch on this. Iranian expat "intellectuals" and "experts" in the West always advocate a policy of softness and diplomacy w.r.t. Iran and Pakistan...but are generally seen to be anti-Israel and anti-Arab.
Iran denies links to al Qaeda, but links are well established

Ali Akbar Salehi, Iran's Foreign Minister, described the claims of the Canadian police linking the plotters to al Qaeda in Iran as "ridiculous."

"If the news that you are announcing is true, this is the most hilarious thing I've heard in my 64 year [sic]," Salehi said, according to the Iranian Students' News Agency.

He also described al Qaeda in Iran as "a new fake issue and a really ridiculous word."

Iran's ties to al Qaeda are well documented, however. In recent years, the US government has added several Iran-based al Qaeda leaders and operatives to its list of specially designated global terrorists, and even noted a "secret deal" between the Iranian government and al Qaeda.

In January 2009, the Treasury Department designated senior al Qaeda members operating in Iran. The January 2009 designation included Mustafa Hamid, the father-in-law of top al Qaeda operative Saif al Adel; Saad bin Laden, one of Osama's sons, who was later killed in a US drone strike in Pakistan; Muhammad Rab'a al Sayid Al Bahtiyti; and Ali Saleh Husain.

Treasury described Hamid as "a senior al Qaeda associate who served as a primary interlocutor between al Qaeda and the Government of Iran." During the 1990s, Hamid "reportedly negotiated a secret relationship between Osama Bin Laden and Iran, allowing many al Qaeda members safe transit through Iran to Afghanistan." Hamid also "passed communications between Osama bin Laden and the Government of Iran." In late 2001, Hamid negotiated with the Iranians to relocate al Qaeda families to Iranian soil. Saif al Adel, Hamid's son-in-law, was among them. Al Adel has been wanted since late 1998 for his involvement in al Qaeda's embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

According to the 2009 designation, Saad bin Laden "facilitated the travel of Osama bin Laden's family members from Afghanistan to Iran" beginning in late 2001. He also "made key decisions for al Qaeda and was part of a small group of al Qaeda members that was involved in managing the terrorist organization from Iran."

In July 2011, the Treasury Dept. designated an al Qaeda leader known as Yasin al Suri along with five other terrorists who operate from Iranian soil to move funds and recruits from Iran's neighboring Gulf countries to South Asia and elsewhere. Al Suri's network assists not only senior al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan, but also al Qaeda in Iraq.

The Treasury Dept. said that al Suri's network operates as part of a "secret deal" between al Qaeda and the Iranian government. In December 2011, US authorities announced a $10 million reward for information leading to al Suri's capture.

Also included in the July 2011 designation was Atiyah Abd al Rahman, who commanded al Qaeda in northern Pakistan. Rahman was killed one month later, in a US drone strike in August 2011. The Treasury Dept. noted that he "was previously appointed by Osama bin Laden to serve as al Qaeda's emissary in Iran, a position which allowed him to travel in and out of Iran with the permission of Iranian officials." Rahman had received safe haven inside Iran after the Sept. 11 attacks.

In February 2012, the Treasury Dept. designated the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) "for its support to terrorist groups." Al Qaeda and its affiliate, al Qaeda in Iraq, are among the terrorist groups supported by the MOIS, which is Iran's chief intelligence agency.

"Today we have designated the MOIS for abusing the basic human rights of Iranian citizens and exporting its vicious practices to support the Syrian regime's abhorrent crackdown on its own population," Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence David S. Cohen explained in a press release. "In addition, we are designating the MOIS for its support to terrorist groups, including al Qaeda, al Qaeda in Iraq, Hizballah and HAMAS, again exposing the extent of Iran's sponsorship of terrorism as a matter of Iranian state policy."

The MOIS is assisting al Qaeda in a variety of ways. According to Treasury, the "MOIS has facilitated the movement of al Qaeda operatives in Iran and provided them with documents, identification cards, and passports."

In addition, the MOIS has "provided money and weapons to al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)...and negotiated prisoner releases of AQI operatives."
Iran also supports the Taliban

Treasury has also noted Iran's support for the Taliban, as in August 2010 it added two top Iranian Qods Force commanders to its list of specially designated global terrorists for directly providing support for the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan.

General Hossein Musavi is the commander of Qods Force's Ansar Corps, "whose responsibilities include IRGC-QF activities in Afghanistan," the Treasury stated. "As Ansar Corps Commander, Musavi has provided financial and material support to the Taliban." Colonel Hasan Mortezavi is described as a senior Qods Force officer who "provides financial and material support to the Taliban."

Qods Forces' Ansar Corps is the command that is assigned to direct operations in Afghanistan. The Ansar Corps is based in Mashad in northeastern Iran. Al Qaeda is known to facilitate travel for its operatives moving into Afghanistan from Mashad, and also uses the eastern cities of Tayyebat and Zahedan to move its operatives into Afghanistan [see LWJ report, Return to Jihad].

Iran's support for the Taliban can be seen in Coalition and Afghan military operations against the Afghan terror group. Coalition and Afghan forces have targeted Iranian-supported Taliban commanders in at least 14 raids in western Afghanistan between June 2009 and February 2011, according to Coalition press releases compiled by The Long War Journal. ISAF inexplicably stopped reporting on raids against Iranian-supported Taliban commanders in early February 2011; LWJ's queries to ISAF on this subject have gone unanswered [see LWJ report, Taliban suicide assault team kills 36 Afghans in western city].
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Kerry Thinks Iranian ‘Democracy’ and America’s Have Lots in Common
Secretary of State John Kerry seems to believe that Iranian elections are just like American ones. In fact, he would describe them as “normal.” At least, that’s what he told the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations last Thursday in his first Senate hearing since his confirmation.

Committee chairman Robert Menendez was rightly concerned that in Iran “the centrifuges are spinning, the clock is ticking and they seem to be managing the sanctions that we have so far.” So he asked Secretary Kerry what else the administration was planning to do. Kerry had the following astounding response:

"They are two months away from an election. The election is on June 14th and every bit of evidence we have — this very week or next week they declare who their candidates are — and there is an enormous amount of jockeying going on with the obvious normal struggle for attention between hard-liners and people who might want to make an agreement etc. We all know what life is like here in the Senate six months from a presidential election, so you can imagine what it’s like there two months from theirs. And so I think this is a moment for us to be a little patient."

According to Kerry, therefore, the struggle between “hard-liners” — the folks who want to annihilate the Jewish state and continue to be the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism — and the “people who might want to make an agreement” — might being the operative word, given that pro-Western Iranians are not permitted to be candidates at all — is just “normal” democratic give and take.

Equally disturbing, is that Iranian election time is understood by the Obama administration as a time for patience, rather than a time to encourage and support dissent...
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Carl, In the 17th thru 19th century it was the whirling dervishes now its the whirling centrifuges that are rousing the scourge of Europe.
The West can thank themselves for facilitating AQK Xerox Khan to check India!
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Iranian elections coming up in 6 weeks. Right now "experts" say there is factionalism in post-rev Iran, and that the IRGC are now actually in control as a deep state almost exactly like the PA is in the neighboring Pakhana - via arms, intelligence network, and monopoly over business enterprises. They say that IRGC is not too enamoured with the mullacracy at this point - if that is true then Ahmadinezhad's protege's "Maktab e Iran" (Iranian school) of "spirituality and politics" may be touted as an alternative, rather than selling one's body and soul for Arab causes. But its not clear that this shift is true. Other "experts" say that Ahmadinezhad has fallen out with erstwhile patrons in the IRGC. In which case Ahmadinezhad's attempt to have proxy power via Mashaie will come to naught.

It is interesting, though, how Ahmadinezhad has used domestic spy agencies to dig up some dirt and attack political opponents in dramatic ways.

Who's afraid of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
Under Iranian law, the president cannot run for a third term but all the signs indicate that the 57-year-old Ahmadinejad, a relatively young politician in the Iranian hierarchy, has no plans for retirement. On the contrary, he is accused of planning a Putin/Medvedev-style reshuffle by grooming his chief of staff and close confidant, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei.

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Ahmadinejad has fallen foul of the loyalists because of his unwavering support for Mashaei, who is accused of leading a deviant current in the inner circle of the president, loathed for their advocacy of greater cultural openness and nationalism.
Many are already counting down Ahmadinejad's dying days in office, believing they are his final days in power. Others think he still has a chance and, in case Mashaei is disqualified from running, is issuing challenges to the establishment by threatening to go out all guns blazing and pulling down the edifice of the political system that championed him.

But who is afraid of Ahmadinejad? In February, the president played a secretly filmed tape in the Iranian parliament - to the astonishment of millions of Iranians listening on national radio - that revealed the speaker's brother was allegedly trading on his sibling's influence for financial gain.

Many fear that the president's team have many more secret tapes and videos that could pose serious challenges to the Islamic republic; others say that is a bluff. "They have installed hidden cameras, listening devices in order to collect information and release them in public," Mohammed Ali Montazeri, a judicial official, warned this week.

Baztab, a conservative news website critical of the government, said in a report that Ahmadinejad was rumoured to possess a tape that shows he received a phone call from the authorities right after the 2009 elections telling him they planned to announce that he had won millions more votes than the real tally. This was denied by the president's office this week and Baztab was taken offline on Wednesday.

"There are things to say..." Ahmadinejad said on a recent visit to the holy city of Qom, promising to reveal them at a future date. The president's menacing language has infuriated his rivals and, as elections approach, everyone is watching for any unexpected movements that may embarrass the supreme leader.
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And this just in:
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Arrested
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was arrested and held for seven hours Monday and warned to keep his mouth shut about matters detrimental to the Islamic regime before he was released, according to a source within the Revolutionary Guard’s intelligence unit.

After his visit to Tehran’s 26th international book fair Monday, the source said the head of Ahmadinejad’s security team informed the Iranian president that he had been asked to appear at the supreme leader’s office for an urgent matter.

On the way to the meeting, contact between the security team within the president’s convoy was disconnected while three other cars joined the convoy, instructing the lead car to take a different direction. Ahmadinejad, instead of being taken to the supreme leader’s office, was taken to a secret location in one of the buildings belonging to the Foreign Ministry, which is under the control of the Revolutionary Guards’ intelligence unit.

As soon as Ahmadinejad exited the car, he and his security team were involved in an altercation with Guards’ members in which his team was disarmed and communications equipment confiscated. Ahmadinejad was then forced to enter an office belonging to Hossein Taeb, the head of the Guards’ intelligence, located underneath the building.
As this was happening, the source said, hundreds of other Guards’ members from the intelligence unit sought out Ahmadinejad’s associates throughout Tehran and questioned them on the existence of documents detrimental to the regime.

Ahmadinejad was questioned for hours in a meeting with Taeb; Asghar Hejazi, the head of intelligence at the supreme leader’s office; Mojtaba Khamenei, the supreme leader’s son; and Gholam Hossein Mohseni Ejei, the attorney general. He was warned to back down from his claims against regime officials and given an ultimatum. The source added that Ahmadinejad was released back to his security team at 11:45 p.m. Monday, Tehran time.

Earlier, the regime’s media outlet Baztab reported that with just days remaining for the registration of presidential candidates, Ahmadinejad warned associates that if his hand-picked candidate to succeed him, a close confidant and a top adviser, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, was rejected as a candidate, then he would reveal tapes that will show the regime defrauded the voters in the 2009 presidential election.

One tape reportedly quotes officials as telling Ahmadinejad in 2009 that they will announce his total winning tally as 24 million votes where the real number was 16 million. In the same tape, Ahmadinejad insisted that the officials not do that. The Baztab site was immediately taken down by the regime’s security forces and is still offline.
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There was a lot of speculation about this yesterday and that he would be put under house arrest
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shyamd ji, the funny thing is that his opponents in the conservative establishment are brazenly threatening him (per conservative newspaper Baztab) that they will also leak tapes with proof that his last election was rigged! It was they who used Ahmadinezhad to keep out other reformists last election. Clearly, they have no shame about their own crimes against the public.

Iran could be on its way to becoming a Middle Eastern version of Myanmar - provided Syria is wrested from it and Arabic Iraq begins to usurp the mantle of Shi'a leadership. Iran-Pak-China nexus will be there, but there would be strains in that relationship, too. So a Myanmar analogy is better than, say, a NoKo analogy?
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The main contenders in the upcoming vote will probably be:
1. Former Foreign Minister Ali Velayati
2. Former nuclear negotiator Hasan Rowhani
3. Tehran Mayor Mohammad Qalibaf
4. and, possibly, former reformist President Mohammad Khatami.

Of these, Qalibaf is a very likely candidate, IMHO. Tehran mayor post is a stepping stone - just as it was for Ahmadinezhad. Moreover, Qalibaf happens to be an Iranian Kurd from the Khorasan area... (some Shi'a Kurds had left their homeland in the west way back when and settled east near the holy city of Mashhad).
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U.S. calls for shutting down Iran, North Korea arms networks
(Reuters) - The United States said on Friday that Iran and North Korea were trying to obtain high-tech materials linked to their nuclear programs in violation of U.N. sanctions.

Iran was also sending weapons and ammunition to Syrian government forces despite a ban, said Thomas Countryman, Assistant Secretary for International Security and Nonproliferation.

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Regarding Iran's alleged efforts, he said: "Certain Iranian procuring agents in high-tech places like China push very hard."
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I dont believe one sentence what Iranian media says which always exaggerate things but considering it is salman khurshid, anything can be believable.

This was a perfect opportunity to highlight Indian contributions to Iran's culture, talk about the contributions of Indian Arya culture to Iran and things like that but what do Salman Khurshid do, like a salve he keeps on thanking Iran for its mythical "contributions" to Indian (Muslim) culture. And the Indian ambassoder follows his master . There are two Iranian "Indologists" present in the occassion but not one Indian Iranian expert. Iran already has 2 cultural centers in India but we got only 1 in Iran ? This is one area we need to focus our attention. Iranians need to know the contributions of India to their civilization.

Indian Cultural Center in Iran inaugurated
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India considering more investments in Iran
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Along with the joint development of the Chabahar port in Iran announced by Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid in Tehran on Saturday, India is considering investments in several other projects to boost India-Iran-Afghanistan ties.

Diplomatic sources said India was exploring investments in the Chabahar container terminal project and in the proposed Chabahar-Faraj-Bam railway. Once this railroad is complete, containers can be speedily sent to Bam, on the Afghan border. Then onward journey can commence along the 200-km India-built Zaranj-Delaram road that hooks up with Afghanistan’s garland highway, linking all major cities.

From an Iranian perspective, Chabahar’s commercial advantages reinforce the importance of its strategic location. Iran was looking for Indian investments in the Chabahar Free Trade and Industrial Zone — an area of around 140 sq km that is carved into nine functional zones. Over cups of freshly brewed coffee, Indian and Iranian officials on Saturday brainstormed the possibility of establishing a 12-lakh-tonne urea plant in Chabahar, taking advantage of the availability of Iran’s exceptionally cheap natural gas.


If the U.S. was the elephant in the room when delegates met across the giant horse-shoe table, Mr. Khurshid and Mr. Salehi — the urbane Iranian Foreign Minister — chose to ignore it. Mr. Salehi spoke eloquently about transitioning Iran’s role from a major oil supplier to an anchor of India’s energy security. He alluded to the off-shore Farzad B project where Indian companies could acquire oil under a lucrative production sharing agreement. On his part, Mr. Khurshid tuned the attention of his hosts to the merits of expanding India’s role in Iran’s food security basket.
India and Iran today decided to give a major push to their bilateral ties in all aspects including connectivity for which New Delhi will participate in the upgradation of strategically crucial Chahbahar port.

During a meeting between external affairs minister SalmanKhurshid and his Iranian counterpart Ali Akbar Salehi under the framework of Joint Commission, the two sides agreed to work on a trilateral transit agreement involving India, Iran and Afghanistan.

But it was underlined that the work on the draft agreement should be started soon.

The two sides also discussed ways to enhance trade relations and people to people contact, regarding which the need was felt for liberalising the visa regime.

At the meeting, Khurshid conveyed India's decision to participate in the upgradation of Chahbahar port. He informed the Iranian side that the Indian government has given in-principle nod to this project.

As a follow up, India's Secretary, ministry of shipping, will travel to Tehran for negotiations on cost and other aspects.

The Iranian side underlined that the project is important not only for Iran and Afghanistan but for entire central Asia.

The two sides also reviewed the progress on the proposed North-South corridor which will link Russia with Iran, with Khurshid saying that any obstructions or any hurdles should be resolved.

Iran's controversial nuclear programme also came up for discussions and Salehi informed that talks with P5+1 will start in this year.

Salehi gave a detailed briefing on the subject to Khurshid who was appreciative of the decision to resume talks.

The two sides felt that the level of trade was not reflective of the close relations between the two countries and should be enhanced.

In this regard, agriculture and pharma products and aeronautics were among the areas identified where cooperation could be increased.


India and Iran, while noting their capabilities in the industrial sector, agreed to diversify their cooperation in this regard.

On Afghanistan, the two countries discussed the developing situation in Afghanistan and agreed to remain in regular contact.



The sides also signed three Memoranda of Understanding (MoUs), including one on water resources management.

Khurshid also inaugurated the Indian Cultural Centre in Tehran yesterday.

Khurshid also called on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and had meetings with Ali Akbar Velayati, Advisor to the Supreme Leader and Ali Larijani, Speaker of the Iranian Majlis.
First time in 34 years Iran has offered a PSA to any country.
As US and European sanctions cripple its economy, Iran on Saturday offered India a new production sharing regime for oil exploration in an attempt to keep its third largest buyer of oil engaged.

The offer was made by Iranian foreign minister Ali Akbar Salehi during his talks with visiting external affairs minister Salman Khurshid at the India-Iran Joint Commission Meeting where energy was a subject of cooperation.

India has in the year to March 31 cut import of oil from Iran by 26.5 per cent as US and European sanctions made it difficult to ship oil from the Persian Gulf nation.

Iran traditionally offers only service contract to foreign companies, giving them a pre-fixed rate of fee for their effort in exploring and producing oil.

In contrast, a production sharing contract will give the foreign country ownership of the oil explored and produced as also the freedom to ship it wherever they want.

Indian state-run firms led by ONGC's contract for exploring the gas-rich Farsi block too is a service contract which if converted into a production sharing regime would mean that New Delhi can get close to 13 trillion cubic feet of gas.

While making the offer Salehi said Iran should be considered a reliable source of energy for India, sources said.

India imported about 13.3 million tons of crude oil from Iran in 2012-13 fiscal, down from 18.1 million tons in the previous year. It now pays Tehran only in rupee in an Indian bank after US and European sanctions blocked dollar and euro routes.

On the rupee payment issue, Iran said that the excess accumulated in India could be routed to other projects in India, including infrastructure.

In a joint statement issued after the talks, the two sides reiterated the importance of enhancing cooperation in expanding trade and banking relations.

"The two sides agreed to study the prospects of joint investment in both countries. The two sides, while noting their capabilities in the industrial sector, agreed to diversify their cooperation in this regard," it said.

Khurshid, who also met Iranian oil minister, noted that Iran is a major source of energy close to India's borders and can play an important role it meeting its energy needs.

Asserting that India is determined to continue its crude imports from Iran, Khurshid said New Delhi has worked hard to maintain its crude purchases from Tehran in spite of recent difficulties in payment mechanisms, shipping and finding suitable insurance and re-insurance cover for Iranian crude.

He said some of these issues have been resolved because of cooperation by the two sides although some of them remain unresolved.

Khurshid pointed out that payment for crude imported from Iran in the recent months had become difficult and this has to be done in local currency for the time being.

India is looking at ways to increase trade with Iran as it is concerned over the "grave" imbalance. The two-way trade is around $15 billion, out of which Indian exports account only for around $2.5 billion.
This is all very significant news and highly important for indian interests - strategic position. Aim is to connect to Afghanistan and Russia/CAS countries - increase our trade and access. They talk about India providing a rail road all the way to the Afghan border -while they are only emphasising trade here as well as access to Hagijak mines in Afghanistan. They don't talk about the military aspect. Having rail connection improves our ability to project military power in that region - reducing supply line times and so on.
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shyamd wrote:This is all very significant news and highly important for indian interests - strategic position. Aim is to connect to Afghanistan and Russia/CAS countries - increase our trade and access. They talk about India providing a rail road all the way to the Afghan border -while they are only emphasising trade here as well as access to Hagijak mines in Afghanistan. They don't talk about the military aspect. Having rail connection improves our ability to project military power in that region - reducing supply line times and so on.
As long as Iran, Pakistan and China cooperate with each other, possibly to keep USA out of Central Asian region, India's role is very tentative, and Iran can be persuaded by the other two to also keep India out.

Just like our substantial investments in Afghanistan are about to washed away as US leaves leaving Afghanistan at the mercy of Pak-sponsored Taliban, similarly too much investment by India in the infrastructure in Chahbahar is prone to Iranian pressure on us.

The question is leaving out economic (thus transactional) issues, what is the civilizational and security (thus strategic) imperatives of Iran to stick to an India-Iran partnership?

Without such an imperative, all these investments are very risky!
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Iranian position has always been to diversify relations between India and China - which is why they have reserved certain blocks of oil just for us. It doesnt make sense for them to put all their eggs in one basked - this is something they have stated publicly and express privately as well.

ISAF will be around in Afghanistan - about 15-30,000 troops - they are making preparations already for 15k. Key is to generate something for Afghanistan to earn revenue - so if the Afghans are serious, they will protect it.

Iran already has leverage with us since most of our refineries use Iranian oil. So this investment in Chabahar doesn't change the situation that has been the same for many decades. Next, I can't emphasise how important this is - if we want self reliance in defence - we need to send enough trade to Russia (to replace the main trade item we have which is defence) - the cheapest & quickest way is via Iran. In absence of leverage with Russia our strategic position will be even more precarious. Unfortunately this is our strategic reality whether one likes to admit it or not.
what is the civilizational and security (thus strategic) imperatives of Iran to stick to an India-Iran partnership?
Simple - take a look at the map.

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Their threats are to the left - US/GCC. Iraq is friendly now - Syria once this revolution is over can be a power to reckon with. Then its Afghanistan/Pakistan. Right now with Karzai in power - Post pull out ANA is not a threat and is largely a friend. But if Taliban return then its gonna be back to the 90's when both had a face off on the border and were close to war. Pakistan is obviously supporting the Sunni's.

For India - Iran, fundamentally its about Pakistan and Afghanistan. A return of the Taliban means back to the 90s for them. So we cooperate on this as Taliban/Pak are a threat to both of us. Today we provide techint, they provide us with HUMINT. We discuss afghanistan closely.
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shyamd ji, while Iran is diversifying its relations between China and India, whom are we diversifying between? We are making ourselves completely dependent on Iran, and Iran's civilizational dialogue with us is one-way Persian Islamism.

Secondly, while Iran uses India to balance Af-Pak, the fact is that Pakistan's integrity as a nation-state is of primary importance to Iran, and has always been so - even during the Shah's days. So much so that the Shah materially supported Pakistan during both the 1965 and 1971 wars. Clearly, the main reason for that is to avoid Pak-occupied Baluchistan from gaining independence. There are other reasons also.

So the fact is that India is a servant of Iranian power in this game. They hold all the cards. What cards do we hold?
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The card we hold is that Iran is, with every passing day, becoming a pariah state in the eyes of U.S, Israel and Saudi. They are probably desperately looking for friends. We can offer assistance with string attached.
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shyamd wrote:
what is the civilizational and security (thus strategic) imperatives of Iran to stick to an India-Iran partnership?
Simple - take a look at the map.

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Their threats are to the left - US/GCC. Iraq is friendly now - Syria once this revolution is over can be a power to reckon with. Then its Afghanistan/Pakistan. Right now with Karzai in power - Post pull out ANA is not a threat and is largely a friend. But if Taliban return then its gonna be back to the 90's when both had a face off on the border and were close to war. Pakistan is obviously supporting the Sunni's.

For India - Iran, fundamentally its about Pakistan and Afghanistan. A return of the Taliban means back to the 90s for them. So we cooperate on this as Taliban/Pak are a threat to both of us. Today we provide techint, they provide us with HUMINT. We discuss afghanistan closely.
I agree, that Iran's threats are to the West. However Iran has already lost in the West. Iraq was a great prize indeed, but in 7-8 years, except for Southern Iraq, Iran's influence would be zero in West Asia. For Iranian regime, it is of highest importance to keep their Pan-Islamic leadership claim alive. For this they would have to increasingly show aggressiveness to their East using
  1. Their Shi'ite support in India which would increasingly take up Ummah and Islamic causes, thus turning against Hindu India
  2. Their civilizational bonds with Pakistan, and thus Iran supports Pakistan viz-a-viz India
They can pursue these interests better in an alliance with Pakistan and China. Their alliance with India does not help them much here.

I don't say that it is necessarily in Iran's interests to do so, but it would certainly be in the interests of the Iranian clerical regime.

Iran would have preferred for India and Iran to come together and to finish off Pakistan as it together with Taliban in Afghanistan pose a second Sunni front against their Shi'ite variety. But that is not how Islamic dynamics really work.
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Agnimitra wrote:shyamd ji, while Iran is diversifying its relations between China and India, whom are we diversifying between? We are making ourselves completely dependent on Iran, and Iran's civilizational dialogue with us is one-way Persian Islamism.

Secondly, while Iran uses India to balance Af-Pak, the fact is that Pakistan's integrity as a nation-state is of primary importance to Iran, and has always been so - even during the Shah's days. So much so that the Shah materially supported Pakistan during both the 1965 and 1971 wars. Clearly, the main reason for that is to avoid Pak-occupied Baluchistan from gaining independence. There are other reasons also.

So the fact is that India is a servant of Iranian power in this game. They hold all the cards. What cards do we hold?
Agnimitra ji, for the purposes of AfPak we have no choice but to cooperate. Take a look at the map.
If theyy play around it is iran that will lose an oil customer and a friend in the region. The iranians will have to deal with terror etc. Its notthe end of the world for us. However reality is that our only access route is via iran.

In answer to your second point . Gone are the days of the shah who wasin thr US sphere of influence.
Iraan is no longer in that sphere. Pak are in the sunni sphere of influence and they will be used to strike iran in the event of war with the GCC. Pak already supported groups to needle iran.

India needs iran and will work together on mutually beneficial projects as you can see now. Iran doesnt want to jump too much into chinas lap either. They need indias intel on pak too and what they are upto
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RajeshA ji, The Iranians have been trying that with Israel with limited success. India and Iran have worked together in the past to fight the Taliban and are pretty much doing something similar for the last 5-8 years.

Iran does look at the interests perspective.

Iranians don't trust pak and they know that Pak already are in a position to support Sunni bloc.
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shyamd wrote:for the purposes of AfPak we have no choice but to cooperate. Take a look at the map.
If theyy play around it is iran that will lose an oil customer and a friend in the region. The iranians will have to deal with terror etc. Its notthe end of the world for us. However reality is that our only access route is via iran.
shyamd ji, its not that I am disagreeing with the level of Indian engagement with Iran. On the contrary, I wish we were engaged more - not just in terms of trade and building strategic assets, but in cultural, ideological and other track-2 ways also.

However, by completely neglecting that other side of engagement, Indian diplomacy is putting itself into a self-constrictive situation - Its only card vis a vis Iran is to be a friend in the face of increasing pressure from the US/GEC. However, the more Iran feels the squeeze, the closer it gets into the Chinese embrace - because it uses China not just to diversify against India but probably more so against the US. The more it becomes dependent on China, the more Iran gets itself into the Sino-Pak axis.

Thus, the more India's "card" w.r.t. Iran comes into play, the more loss it is for India, too! So India's position is to hope that the US and China balance themselves around the Iranian fulcrum delicately enough, leaving India just enough passage to squeeze our business through. Exquisite. But it might give us a few less hemorrhoids if we also engaged with Iran and its internal discourse in ways that are clearly available to us. That way we could have a strategic objective of supporting the integrity of the Iranian state, while changing it from within. Otherwise we must support its break-up into component states.
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JPost:
BBC reporter: Blasts heard near Tehran arms plant
A BBC Persian journalist wrote Tuesday on the Twitter social media website that three explosions had been heard in western Tehran, in an area where Iran carries out missile research and storage.
A mysterious and massive explosion rocked a military arms depot near Tehran in November 2011, killing 17 Revolutionary Guards Corps officers and wounding 17 others.

Iranian officials said the blast was caused by an accident as soldiers moved munitions at the base in Bidganeh, near Shahriar, 45 km. west of the Iranian capital. The base is also believed to be the storage center for some of Iran’s most-advanced long-range ballistic missiles, such as the Shahab 3.
In October 2010, a similar blast took place at a Revolutionary Guards munitions store in Khoramabad, in western Iran, killing and wounding several servicemen.

Tuesday's report of explosions came days after Israel allegedly carried out two air strikes in Syria over the weekend, targeting Iranian-supplied Fateh-110 surface-to-surface missiles destined for Hezbollah.
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X-post from W. Asia thread:

Footage of an Iranian-made UAV downed in Syria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoUdqJ2Mnx0
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Rafsanjani says Iran regime has no money left!

"There is no money left and if there is, it is not transferable to this country. We optimistically gave our foreign currency to China and they changed it to Yuan and later said instead giving us money back, they would give us goods, but they haven't given us any.

"We have only a small agricultural base, and we lost production last year and this year due to poisons imported from China.

"Then India bought our oil very cheaply but is not even willing to pay us with Rupees. This emerged in a bitter report following a meeting between the Minister of Commerce and the Chairman of Central Bank."
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U.S. to Ease Iran Sanctions on Laptops, Mobile Phones

Definitely with an eye on election time... But personally I don't think this was necessary. The morale in the target segment of the public this time is dead, a huge cellphone wielding segment of the population is in apathy and simply not interested anymore. They have thrown away their green wrist bands and are pinning their hopes on the US's annual green card lottery instead. Or any other way to go study or work in Cypress, Europe, America, Malaysia, India.
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shyamd wrote: "Then India bought our oil very cheaply but is not even willing to pay us with Rupees. This emerged in a bitter report following a meeting between the Minister of Commerce and the Chairman of Central Bank."
that's a very low blow from India. These guys (the Indian petroleum ministry i.e) are increasing our petrol prices every fortnight, yet can't find money to pay their cheapest supplier.
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"The new systems include increased numbers of Iranian-made surveillance drones and, in some areas, anti-mortar systems similar to those used by U.S. forces to trace the source of mortar fire"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... ml?hpid=z2

Do we have such drones and anti-mortar systems? If not, the the Iranians despite all the embargoes have shown a greater will and capability than we have.
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shyamd wrote:Rafsanjani says Iran regime has no money left!

"There is no money left and if there is, it is not transferable to this country. We optimistically gave our foreign currency to China and they changed it to Yuan and later said instead giving us money back, they would give us goods, but they haven't given us any.

"We have only a small agricultural base, and we lost production last year and this year due to poisons imported from China.

"Then India bought our oil very cheaply but is not even willing to pay us with Rupees. This emerged in a bitter report following a meeting between the Minister of Commerce and the Chairman of Central Bank."

For good housekeeping, a web link to go with story.

Iran: Rafsanjani reveals bankrupt Iranian regime has 'no money left'
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crosspost from Geopolitics thread:
devesh wrote:http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/ ... _iran.html

Switzerland looks the other way on Iran

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one important banking center in Europe has consistently undermined these efforts by refusing to adopt the very sanctions that have had the most impact -- Switzerland.
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Switzerland has also refused to join its EU neighbors in adopting a ban on imports of Iranian oil, despite the demonstrable evidence that the oil embargo by the West has significantly curtailed Iran's ability to access hard currency to fund its nefarious activities. This allowed Geneva-based oil trader Vitol to buy 2 million barrels of fuel oil from Iran in August 2012 and profit from its sale to Chinese traders.
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Ceresola, for example, a tunneling technology firm, signed a contract worth over €1 billion in 2010 with the Rahab Engineering Establishment, a known IRGC entity. The same year, Credit Suisse was fined $536 million for egregious banking violations, instructing employees not to "mention the name of the Iranian bank in payment orders."
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Luxury good powerhouses Richemont, Swatch Group and Rolex continue to export their merchandise to Iran's elite while knowing that only those affiliated with the regime can afford them. According to recent data, Swiss exports to Iran constituted 311 million Swiss Francs ($330.99 million) in the first 8 months of 2012.
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Luxury good powerhouses Richemont, Swatch Group and Rolex continue to export their merchandise to Iran's elite while knowing that only those affiliated with the regime can afford them. According to recent data, Swiss exports to Iran constituted 311 million Swiss Francs ($330.99 million) in the first 8 months of 2012. Alas, Libya and Syria have no such lucrative markets.

Sanctioned Iranian entities have also set up shop through front companies in Switzerland. Petro Suisse Intertrade Company, for example, is an Iranian oil firm active in Switzerland that was sanctioned nearly a year ago by the U.S. because the Iran's National Oil Company was using it to evade sanctions on its oil companies. Similarly, the Naftiran Intertrade Company is under both U.S. and EU sanctions and has been described as a virtual "offshore arm of the National Iranian Oil Company."

Swiss officials defend themselves by arguing that, broadly speaking, they support those sanctions imposed by the United Nations. Closer scrutiny, however, suggests even that isn't true. In March 2013, it was revealed that Swiss commodity traders Glencore and Trafigura had engaged in barter arrangements over the past year with Iranian Aluminum Company (Iralco) that provided Iralco thousands of tons of alumina in exchange for a lesser amount of aluminum metal. At the same time, Iralco has provided aluminum for Iran's nuclear program through a contract with UN-sanctioned Iran Centrifuge Technology Co. (TESA), which is a subsidiary of the blacklisted Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI).
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some of these Swiss companies continue to increase their presence in the U.S. For example, Vitol signed an agreement with Texas-based DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC to develop a coal conversion plant in Wyoming, a project that may receive significant public subsidies.
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Hasan Rowhani has been declared Iran's election winner. He has a long career in the military and was once chief of air defences. He is a cleric, through and through, and calls himself one of "balanced" views, and says he is close with those members of, both, the "conservative" as well as "reformist" factions who are also "balanced" in their views. Just before the vote, he got the support of Khatami, who had experimented with the "Dialogue of Civilizations" during his presidency. So all Khatami supporters, which included a lot of the "green wave" youth, voted for him.

I was frankly surprised that, although many of the youth expressed hopelessness that the elections were anything more than a rigged sham, they still went out and voted.
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IRAN- @HassanRouhani's Opposition to the Bomb: The #Iranian President-Elect’s 2006 Letter to @TIME http://t.co/Uw8yH3FxoV
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shyamd wrote:Rafsanjani says Iran regime has no money left!

"There is no money left and if there is, it is not transferable to this country. We optimistically gave our foreign currency to China and they changed it to Yuan and later said instead giving us money back, they would give us goods, but they haven't given us any.

"We have only a small agricultural base, and we lost production last year and this year due to poisons imported from China.

"Then India bought our oil very cheaply but is not even willing to pay us with Rupees. This emerged in a bitter report following a meeting between the Minister of Commerce and the Chairman of Central Bank."
Wow sir., you are so precient! A word for word news report came the same day you posted!!

Arunji, thanks for setting record straight.
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^^ Eh? I copied and pasted his quotes (as you can see with te quotation marks). Why the dig?
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shyamd wrote:IRAN- @HassanRouhani's Opposition to the Bomb: The #Iranian President-Elect’s 2006 Letter to @TIME http://t.co/Uw8yH3FxoV
shyamd ji, its untrustworthy taqiyyah. Rowhani just made a statement "against foreign intervention in Syria"...while simultaneously preparing to inject an additional 4000 fighters into Syria.
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^^^

Iran’s dangerous ‘moderate’
It’s striking that news organizations that routinely portray conservatives as extreme or hard-line when reporting on U.S. domestic politics are so eager to slap the “moderate” tag on Hassan Rouhani. It’s also dangerous.
One post-election commentator on BBC described the Supreme Leader as a sort of "Supreme Court in one man", and that his overruling decisions didn't mean that Iran isn't a democracy. :roll:
In reality, Rouhani is a regime loyalist who has been on Iran’s Supreme National Security Council since 1989 and who served as the nation’s chief nuclear negotiator from 2003 to 2005. In a recent television interview, he boasted that Iran’s strategy during this time was to use the diplomatic process to buy time for the development of the nation’s nuclear program by exploiting a wedge between the U.S. and Europe, thus preventing the United Nations Security Council from taking action. “(America) wanted what we had in nuclear technology not to be completed, and that we surrender what we had already,” he said. “What we aimed to do was to create a space so that this technology is completed.”

For those who oppose Iran becoming a nuclear power, one silver lining of Ahmedinejad’s Holocaust denial and constant bluster toward Israel and America was that such rhetoric helped clarify the true nature of the regime. It made it much easier to argue for the isolation of Iran and to build support for measures to thwart its nuclear ambitions. Now, Rouhani’s election (and the flood of naive stories in the Western press about his moderation) will prompt calls for more engagement with Iran. Meanwhile, the regime will get exactly what it wants – the breathing room it needs to acquire nuclear capability. In this sense Rouhani is much more dangerous than Ahmedinejad.
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shyamd wrote:^^ Eh? I copied and pasted his quotes (as you can see with te quotation marks). Why the dig?
:D Without understanding nuances, you derided me in one of the posts., so doing some of my own kind of payback. You should have quoted the URL and yes, waiting for Assad to fall - particularly now since 59 generals of syrian army have found posh retirement.
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Lol So thats why youve been trolling me for the last few months on multiple threads - quite childish but ok Which post was it?
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Its Suleimani who is in charge of Syrian ops of Iran
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