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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 13 Jan 2020 07:16

hanumadu wrote: The fight against hijab is definitely against a tenet of Islam though it might be against Islam itself. There have been instances of burning quran in those rallies.


There are many Muslims including some Muslim scholars like this who would argue that Hijab is not a mandatory feature of Islam. Feminism and anti-hijab movement in Iran comes in two varieties - atheist/anti-Muslim and Muslim but anti-hijab. We see mostly the first in the media who are relatively less but more visible and more noisy. But the second ones are the ones more numerous in Iran according to my Iranian friend.

Also in theory we would expect people who are leaving Islam in Iran would turn to either zoroastrianism or even its close relative Vedic Hinduism. But in reality they are either becoming atheist or even more interestingly becoming Christians. According to this report, Iran has world’s fastest-growing church.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 13 Jan 2020 07:27

I have a different view on this. I see women in India and elsewhere, CHOOSING to adopt practices such as wearing a hijab (scarf etc over the head). I do not believe that this is all due to male pressure, in fact the male pressure usually comes from the M-in-L dictating virtue standards.

The "feminists" are full of it. Going around with the wind blowing up one's ass and having one's legs freeze or get sunburned, are not smart ideas for anyone, and do not convey any "freedom" to most women. It is a practice that makes women subject themselves to judgement of their merit by the length and shape of their legs (not to mention bare forearms because that is too sharam-sharam).

I know the Scots used to go around in mini-skirt kilts so that they could expose their mijjiles, but civilized societies don't make men go around exhbiting genitals as part of being "well-dressed". I don't see why women should be subjected to pressure to do that.

So I think the smart money is on totally respecting the hijab etc and the dignity of those who choose to adhere to what they see as their traditional values.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby hanumadu » 13 Jan 2020 07:35

Rony wrote:
hanumadu wrote: The fight against hijab is definitely against a tenet of Islam though it might be against Islam itself. There have been instances of burning quran in those rallies.


There are many Muslims including some Muslim scholars like this who would argue that Hijab is not a mandatory feature of Islam. Feminism and anti-hijab movement in Iran comes in two varieties - atheist/anti-Muslim and Muslim but anti-hijab. We see mostly the first in the media who are relatively less but more visible and more noisy. But the second ones are the ones more numerous in Iran according to my Iranian friend.

Also in theory we would expect people who are leaving Islam in Iran would turn to either zoroastrianism or even its close relative Vedic Hinduism. But in reality they are either becoming atheist or even more interestingly becoming Christians. According to this report, Iran has world’s fastest-growing church.


This is exactly what I mean. They are converting to christianity because its the dominant religion in the world. If they want to revert to their roots, christianity has to lose some of its sheen. But, my concern is more about what happens in India when such a situation arises. We should position Hinduism as the obvious choice for them.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ricky_v » 15 Jan 2020 16:24

https://spectator.us/stop-hoping-iranian-spring/
There is another explanation for the self-contradictory nonsense we are being told. Whatever happens in the Middle East, there is only one constant. Whenever and wherever popular protests erupt, the democracy junkies that dominate the western media take leave of their collective mind.

This has nothing to do with whether they are on the right or the left, or their allegiance or otherwise to whoever is president at the time. It goes beyond politics. It’s primordial. Their excitement at seeing social media videos of protesters in the region’s streets is akin that of a 13-year-old kid who has just found out how to find ***** on his cell phone. Soon enough, of course, that kid will discover that what he saw on the screen little resembles sex in the real world; but he will remain addicted to the unobtainable fantasy despite all the negative personal consequences. The same is true of the media’s democracy junkies. They thought every single uprising in the Middle East during the past decade that sent them into such a crazed stupor — from Libya to Syria, Egypt to Iraq — would end up all smiley faces and picnics in the park. Instead of an Arab Spring, all ended disastrously, and as a result the region is one of the most dangerous in the world for the self-same journalists to work in. Yet still they crave another fix.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 16 Jan 2020 18:24

Slightly OT, but ... They don't say what make or model of plane or engine.
Good thing they didn't have to fly over, say, WHOTUS on the way back to the airport. :eek:

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby amritk » 17 Jan 2020 00:36

Luckily the Patriots don't get all worked up at compressor stalls. And civilian/military ATC coordination, well, exists.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby UlanBatori » 17 Jan 2020 00:39

amritk wrote:Luckily the Patriots don't get all worked up at compressor stalls. And civilian/military ATC coordination, well, exists.

In the US, the standard practice is that if a plane is seen heading for a power plant, or other verboten airspace at fairly low altitude, kind and gentle F-16s wake up and come alongside. If u wave at them from ur window they will probably not wave back. Because they have orders to shoot u down unless u agree in time to be forced down.
But WHOTUS & COTUS airspace are on a different level altogether. Enough said.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby g.sarkar » 17 Jan 2020 06:16

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news ... -sanctions
US formally exempts Chabahar from sanctions
Navtan Kumar, January 11, 2020.

New Delhi: After several roadblocks, Minister of External Affairs S. Jaishankar has been successful in untangling the knot of Iran’s Chabahar project, which is crucial for India in strategic terms. This, apart from the energy security issue, is the reason why India is focused on ensuring peace and stability in the Middle East in the wake of heightened tensions between Iran and the United States.
India has secured a written assurance from the US to exempt this port from sanctions during the second 2+2 Ministerial Dialogue between India and US in December 2019. In fact, soon after the dialogue in Washington, Jaishankar visited Teheran and informed Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javed Zarif that it had got written assurance from the US exempting the Shahid Baheshti Port at Chabahar from sanctions.
India and Iran also “recognised that the port has the potential to act as a gateway between the Indian subcontinent, Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia and Europe”. Both countries also “welcomed the utilisation of the port for exports from Afghanistan and discussed ways to promote it”. Zarif is coming to New Delhi next week.
India, it is to be noted, had been unable to place orders for equipment for the project for a long time, given the US had imposed sanctions on Iran in November 2018. Though US had given verbal assurance, no bank was in a position of sanctioning a letter of credit for the purchase in the absence of a written assurance. The written assurance from the US, say sources, will pave the way for companies investing in the project.
Chabahar port is located on Iran’s southeastern coast. India is developing this port to secure connectivity to Afghanistan and Central Asia, bypassing Pakistan. The delay in the implementation of the project has made Iran impatient, and it had started a strategic alliance with China.
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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Peregrine » 18 Jan 2020 00:55

Iran was spooked by reports of US F-35s when it downed airliner: Russia – Reuters

MOSCOW: Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday that Iran's accidental shooting down of a Ukrainian airliner last week occurred at a time when Tehran was spooked by reports of advanced US stealth fighters in the area.

"There were at least six (US) F-35 fighters in the air in the Iranian border area (at the time). This information has yet to be verified, but I'd like to underline the edginess that always accompanies such situations, " Lavrov said.

Iran's downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight 752, which killed all 176 people aboard, has created a crisis for the Islamic Republic's clerical rulers who have faced days of protests after the Iranian military admitted it had shot down the plane accidentally.

Lavrov, speaking at his annual news conference in Moscow, called the incident a human error and said he was not trying to excuse anyone for what happened.

But he said it was important to understand the context and that the incident had occurred hours after an Iranian missile attack on US bases in Iraq, when Iranian forces were braced for some kind of US military retaliation.

"There is information that the Iranians were expecting another attack from the United States after the strike but did not know what form it might take," said Lavrov.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Jan 2020 13:23

hanumadu wrote:
Rony wrote:
There are many Muslims including some Muslim scholars like this who would argue that Hijab is not a mandatory feature of Islam. Feminism and anti-hijab movement in Iran comes in two varieties - atheist/anti-Muslim and Muslim but anti-hijab. We see mostly the first in the media who are relatively less but more visible and more noisy. But the second ones are the ones more numerous in Iran according to my Iranian friend.

Also in theory we would expect people who are leaving Islam in Iran would turn to either zoroastrianism or even its close relative Vedic Hinduism. But in reality they are either becoming atheist or even more interestingly becoming Christians. According to this report, Iran has world’s fastest-growing church.


This is exactly what I mean. They are converting to christianity because its the dominant religion in the world. If they want to revert to their roots, christianity has to lose some of its sheen. But, my concern is more about what happens in India when such a situation arises. We should position Hinduism as the obvious choice for them.


World over Hindus are seen with derision and as losers supported by BBC, Al Jazeera, CCN etc. Nobody is going to convert to a religion which is economically and miltarily weak. Very few people think about the Soul and in closed societies there is no real scope for debates.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rony » 20 Jan 2020 19:01

Cyrus the Great’s Ghost Haunts Iran’s Islamic Republic

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/01/cyru ... c-republic

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rsatchi » 27 Jan 2020 02:45

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 637126.cms
The great cover up!
so no matter which Islamic democratic country(which is an oxymoron in itself) the real power in the Ummah democracy is always with the Mard-e-momeen TFTA Jihardist Gernails!!!

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Arun.prabhu » 27 Jan 2020 08:32

So they mistook a humongous civilian plane for a warplane with the RCS of a golf ball? Right. Pull the other one, Lavrov. The Iranian air defense panicked and screwed the pooch on this one.

Peregrine wrote:Iran was spooked by reports of US F-35s when it downed airliner: Russia – Reuters

MOSCOW: Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday that Iran's accidental shooting down of a Ukrainian airliner last week occurred at a time when Tehran was spooked by reports of advanced US stealth fighters in the area.

"There were at least six (US) F-35 fighters in the air in the Iranian border area (at the time). This information has yet to be verified, but I'd like to underline the edginess that always accompanies such situations, " Lavrov said.

Iran's downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight 752, which killed all 176 people aboard, has created a crisis for the Islamic Republic's clerical rulers who have faced days of protests after the Iranian military admitted it had shot down the plane accidentally.

Lavrov, speaking at his annual news conference in Moscow, called the incident a human error and said he was not trying to excuse anyone for what happened.

But he said it was important to understand the context and that the incident had occurred hours after an Iranian missile attack on US bases in Iraq, when Iranian forces were braced for some kind of US military retaliation.

"There is information that the Iranians were expecting another attack from the United States after the strike but did not know what form it might take," said Lavrov.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Aditya_V » 27 Jan 2020 12:28

Well, the Best Radars and Defences in Iran would have been over Tehran, and it is an old Russian SAM system. I hope this opens the eyes of people who deride Indian Advances based on Iranian claims of successes. The Iranians have some Chinese and Russian stuff and surprisingly their F-14 fleet previously supplied by the US Israelis.

The US and Israelis I feel are playing the Arabs, they keep the Arab anger towards Iran so they dont turn and on them keep thier Multi Billion dollar weapons contracts flowing.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby nandakumar » 27 Jan 2020 13:00

Meanwhile CNN reports that there has been a rocket attack on US embassy in Baghdad. The State Department spokesman only referred to the place as an international zone. Not sure if this lead to another round of flare up with Iran.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby mmasand » 28 Jan 2020 00:17

Aditya_V wrote:Well, the Best Radars and Defences in Iran would have been over Tehran, and it is an old Russian SAM system. I hope this opens the eyes of people who deride Indian Advances based on Iranian claims of successes. The Iranians have some Chinese and Russian stuff and surprisingly their F-14 fleet previously supplied by the US Israelis.

The US and Israelis I feel are playing the Arabs, they keep the Arab anger towards Iran so they dont turn and on them keep thier Multi Billion dollar weapons contracts flowing.


IRIADF and IRGC's AF are two separate entities, whilst the more formidable systems were under a proper command and authority hierarchy, the IRGC started to take delivery of more lethal short range air defence missiles post revolution.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2020 05:44

g.sarkar, You been very diligent and sane in this thread.
A request to you.
Please monitor Iranian Baluchistan news.
And leave the rest as noise.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 28 Jan 2020 06:16

It is nationalism not religion that dominates.If it were simply religion,we'd have tremendous unity amongst the Arab states! I remember a dpl. banquet many years ago where Arab unity was being discussed in the context of combating Israel.A well-known intl. head listening to the serious discussion and predictions going on simply chuckled and said ," Arab unity? Dream on!"
Iranian/ Persian nationalism is greater glue holding its people together than its religion.The same holds good for India.Whatever differences are there in politics,etc.,the nation closes ranks in a crisis when threatened by external forces.

The Iranians have tx. to sanctions resurrected even the ancient F-5 in a new avatar apart from keeping the F-14s airborne.But more impressive are its large fleet of small modest indigenous mini-subs specifically meant to disrupt shipping in the Gulf. It also has a decent missile inventory ,leveraging some Chinese tech.Years ago it rectived Silkworm anti- ship missiles from China.In the current situation it would be interesting to see if it acquires newer Ru or Chin. systems.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Rudradev » 31 Jan 2020 02:42

kit wrote:
hanumadu wrote:According to SM, lot of student protests going against Iran and expressing happiness over killing of Soleimani. The protests are not just against the regime but also have an anti Islam element to it. I wonder how long this regime and Islam itself lasts in Iran now.

What will Indian shia muslims do when Iran leaves Islam? Will they become sunni, revert back to Hinduism, take up some other religion like christianity. How about shias in Sindh, Pakistan?

Ideally, I would have preferred this to happen in another 20 years time. When India is much stronger, has a better image, Hinduism would have a more favourable standing in the world and had controlled conversion activities. The natural choice for shias would have been Hinduism.



Not a bad thing to have a secular ( ! ) Islamic nation next door to the Pakis !!


No, it would be a terrible thing.

During the 1965 and 1971 wars, secular Shah of Iran
-Supplied Pakistan with F104 Starfighters, F86 Sabres, and spares from his own well-stocked US-backed inventory
-Gave safe harbour to Pakistani submarines, including PNS Ghazi, in Iranian ports
-Provided Pakis with oil on generous payment terms

In sum they were far more pro-Paki as a secular(ish) Iran than post the 1979 revolution.

Iranian sympathy for Pakistan extends beyond Islam (in fact, the Sunni-v-Shia subtext of their respective Islams is almost a sticking point in this regard). Rather, Iranians see in Pakistan an enduring reminder of what they imagine to be conquest-driven Persianate influence over the Indian subcontinent... the use of Nastaliq script in Urdu, for example, is perceived as a symbol of the fact that Persian was the court language of the Mughals in India.

The truth is that Iran never actually invaded (let alone conquered) Indian territory other than during the Mughal-Safavid war over Afghanistan and later on the raid of Nadir Shah on Delhi; yet, they have always regarded Indians as an inferior people to be enslaved, looted, and exploited by their TFTA selves, much as the Germans/Teutons have traditionally regarded the Slavs.

A pro-US secular Iran will very likely revert to the Shah's policy of backing Pakistan far more robustly than the Ayatollahs ever did.

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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Najunamar » 31 Jan 2020 07:06

RDji,

Even if Iran becomes overtly aligned to Pakis, wouldn't it be good to have that in the open than the current running with the hares and hunting with the hound? Also, it will create the stark choice of Pakis and their rotten allies versus closer collaboration with Desh for Khanate.

It may end up being a win-win either way for us.


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Re: Iran News and Discussions

Postby Vikas » 10 Feb 2020 16:50

Najunamar wrote:RDji,

Even if Iran becomes overtly aligned to Pakis, wouldn't it be good to have that in the open than the current running with the hares and hunting with the hound? Also, it will create the stark choice of Pakis and their rotten allies versus closer collaboration with Desh for Khanate.

It may end up being a win-win either way for us.


Ask the question, can Pakis afford to be aligned with Iran ?
KSA of 1971 is not the KSA of today nor was Pak as much dependent upon KSA as it is today for survival.
They may collaborate but not beyond a point. Gulf has too shown that they have started hedging the bets by getting into Indian Orbit to the ulcer of Paki Ummah.


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