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From last year:
(PDF) http://www.gwu.edu/~ieresgwu/assets/doc ... pm_186.pdf
Iran and Georgia: Genuine Partnership or Marriage of Convenience?
September 2011
Kornely K. Kakachia
Tbilisi State University
Since regaining its independence two decades ago, Georgia, a small weak state, has developed close relations with both regional and great powers and aligned with them in order to compensate for its weaknesses. As Georgia is perceived to be a close regional partner of the United States and was the recipient of roughly $4.5 billion in Western aid over the past three years, recent moves by the Georgian government to establish closer political and economic links with the Islamic Republic of Iran have caused some bewilderment in Western capitals. This memo examines Georgian foreign policy toward Iran and attempts to identify the main causes and motivations for Tbilisi’s affiliation with Tehran.
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Some observers are unconvinced that there is a need for Georgia to establish a visa-free regime with Iran, and many worry about its possible implications for the West. However, Georgia’s current policy toward Iran is not irrational. Closer relations with Iran, despite extremely tense relations between Washington and Tehran, is an indication of Tbilisi’s disillusionment with what it sees as the West’s weakening interest in Georgia, as well as its desire to expand its room for maneuvering, politically and economically. Georgia’s shrewd game of regional realpolitik neither shifts its core foreign policy orientation nor conflicts with its primary goals of integration with the EU and NATO. Even with Tehran and Tbilisi’s apparent new partnership, one should not expect to see Iran playing a superior role in the region for the foreseeable future. With unstable relations with Azerbaijan and strategic links with Armenia, the real economic and geopolitical dividends of Iranian diplomacy in the South Caucasus are mostly theoretical at this point. Particularly in dealing with Georgia, Iran has to take into account Russian interests in the South Caucasus and has acted very cautiously not to anger Moscow over its cooperation with Tbilisi. Moreover, Iran’s ability to be an influential actor in Georgia is limited by geography (there is no direct border between the two countries) and other factors such as the dominant Western and Turkish influence. Heavy dependence on Western economic and political support does not allow Tbilisi to cross certain red lines in its dealings with Tehran. Georgia, as a NATO- aspirant country, is unlikely to endanger its strategic relations with the United States or its prospects of Euro-Atlantic integration for the sake of improving relations with Iran.

On the whole, it is a reasonable balancing act. Georgia’s new Iranian foreign policy seems unequivocally pragmatic and driven by economics and, to some extent, security concerns. With the reflex of a small state, Georgia assessed the changing international political environment and determined that political dialogue with Iran would help strengthen mutual confidence. While trying to maintain a high level of strategic cooperation with the West and simultaneously profit by trade relations with Iran, the Georgian political leadership is aware of the fact that as a small state, Georgia’s room for maneuvering and its ability to formulate foreign policy are relatively limited. From Iran’s perspective, the advantage of a Georgian-Iranian rapprochement is that Tehran can assert itself more strongly in the region, particularly when Iran does not have unlimited outlets. Taking into consideration Russia’s significantly weakened role in Georgia, all this suggests the possibility that Iran’s presence on the Caucasian chessboard could end up being a stabilizing force in the volatile South Caucasus. As bilateral relations between Iran and Georgia enter a deeper stage, it remains to be seen how far Iran and Georgia will benefit from their declared friendship.
Brazil also had good relations with Iran
http://www.irantracker.org/foreign-rela ... -relations

Speculating why no attack was necessary there
http://brazilportal.wordpress.com/2012/ ... from-iran/
New Brazil creates some distance from Iran
January 24, 2012

Joe Leahy – Financial Times, 01/24/2012

Iran has attacked Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff for overseeing a chilling of ties between the two countries, jeopardising a relationship that had once been a major irritant to the US.

Iran believed Ms Rousseff was undermining the efforts of her predecessor Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, under whom Brazil had been virtually the only major western country with friendly ties to the regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad, a spokesperson said in the Brazilian press.

“The president has struck down everything Lula had achieved. She’s destroyed years of good relations,” Brazilian daily newspaper Folha de S. Paulo quoted the spokesperson, Ali Akbar Javanfekr, as saying in an interview.
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brihaspati wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Bji:
What you are saying is either very profound or wrong. You are essentially saying BRFites think similar to the influential, powerful and strategists of India. You are propounding a theory based on the behavior of some BRFites. Just because some BRFites think something "impossible" does not mean Indian governmental authorities or institutions think the same way. Or you are saying Indian strategists think like BRFites :-)
Well if the gov thinks like BRF, it cannot function - because it will split in opinions right down the middle on almost everything under the sun. On the other hand, how can we distrust information from high level sources? This intrigues me, because there appears to be a pattern to the "misses" and the "hits".

On the other hand : which other country can you think of that would be better to carry out such an attack? A country friendly to both is the best one. For every other country, there are serious problems - India provides the least of those countering factors to pull it successfully off without losing the friendship of India as a consequence.
I do not for one moment, in any government everybody things in one particular way. There will be hawks, doves, pigeons, hens, vultures...all sorts of birds. You were attributing something to the Iranians based on your observations of BRFites that you extrapolated to Indian officials. In my opinion one needs more info to make such conclusions.

Which other country from a technical and assets perspective? USA, China, Pakistan, Israel ityadi come to my mind based on their past behavior? Could Iran or its supporting groups have done it? Sure why not? Do they have the capability or motivation? I do not know. There are so many countries to whom we can attribute motivation and abilities. If it is conspiracy theory that one is looking at, then it could be India too you know. But then looking at Georgia, that CT does fly too high in mind.
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That was not a very powerful bomb. Probably not RDX or something.

What bothers me is not so much the presence of terrorists - it is the availability of bomb making materials. The difference between Pakistan and India is the availability of bomb making material. The difference between India and USA is also that - ie control and tracking of bomb making material.
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shiv wrote: That was not a very powerful bomb. Probably not RDX or something.

What bothers me is not so much the presence of terrorists - it is the availability of bomb making materials. The difference between Pakistan and India is the availability of bomb making material. The difference between India and USA is also that - ie control and tracking of bomb making material.
Shiv
You can probably make a more powerful bomb with stuff already in your house. In Pakistan you can buy C-4 by paying in hard cash. In India we can get mercury,Urea and other industrial chemicals used in explosives by paying in cash.

I am surprised that the person in the vehicle was not targeted for killing. Someone just sent a message to New Delhi.This was a warning shot. Next time it will be real.
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Altair the fact that Naxals have access to dynamite means that deadly bomb making materials are on the loose in India apart from Nitrates and stuff. Control of these materials is paramount. This is not just about intel agencies but excise, police and state border controls and tracking of such material. In the long term a mandatory national ID number for anyone buying, selling or transporting such stuff would be useful.
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shiv wrote:Altair the fact that Naxals have access to dynamite means that deadly bomb making materials are on the loose in India apart from Nitrates and stuff. Control of these materials is paramount. This is not just about intel agencies but excise, police and state border controls and tracking of such material. In the long term a mandatory national ID number for anyone buying, selling or transporting such stuff would be useful.
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I used dynamite without permission to remove some boulders in the land I purchased couple of years back to lay foundation. If I can get it anybody can get it. I agree it must be controlled but it must involve lot of people in the Government working together who are not friends.
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A_Gupta wrote:Georgia-Iran relations:
2010:
Georgia Develops Functional Relations With Iran
http://www.jamestown.org/programs/edm/s ... no_cache=1

August 2010
Georgia and Iran: Saakashvili changing patrons?
http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/interview/45721.html
In September, during the UN General Assembly, Akhmadinedzhad raised a stink by saying that the terrorist act of September 11, 2001 was organized by American special services with the purpose of launching war in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is not the best background for Georgia-Iran relationship, considering Georgia's considerable material dependence both on the USA and European Union. That's why, perhaps, Deputy Foreign Minister of Georgia Nino Kalandadze has been repeating all these months that setting up relationship with Iran does not prejudice Georgia's donors.

However, Kalandadze is playing cunning. Iran is a scarecrow for the West and the relationship with Iran is the best way for Tbilisi to blackmail its cooling-down friends. From the economical point of view, Georgia will surely benefit from cooperation with the southern neighbor but it will suffer great losses should European Union grow resentful, and the relations with Iran won't make up for these losses.

Nov 2010
Iran-Georgia sign visa-free travel deal
http://presstv.com/detail/149549.html

Jan 2012
http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/articles/71247.html
Ex-president of Georgia and the seasoned diplomat Eduard Shevardnadze warns - participation in a military campaign against Iran would be disastrous for the country. He has not ruled out that Saakashvili may get involved in the operation to keep his seat, and this issue will certainly be discussed at the negotiations between the Georgian and U.S. Presidents Barack Obama on January 30. "They must not allow carrying out anti-Iranian campaign at the territory of Georgia", Shevardnadze gave advice to his "successor".

Feb 2012
http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/news/71683.html
Tbilisi cannot say exactly what position will take in the case of U.S. attack on Iran, the chairman of the Georgian Parliament David Bakradze said, according to "Georgia News".
http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/news/71798.html
Georgian opposition politician and billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili believes that Georgia won't be used as landfill in a possible U.S. military operation against Iran, "Georgia News" reported.

According to the oppositionist, the issue of Georgia's active participation in the conflict is not considered, and such a problem doesn't threatened the country. "But if something like this happens - it will be big trouble. I hope it won't happen", Ivanishvili added.

Earlier, the chairman of the Georgian Parliament David Bakradze stated that Tbilisi can not say exactly what position they would choose in case of U.S. attack on Iran.
It would be foolish for Iran to attack in India or Georgia which might jeopardize the healthy and growing relations it has with these countries.
Mossad could possibly be behind this, as the diplomat in Georgia found the bomb and the injuries received by the diplomat in Delhi were only due to shrapnel from the windows which broke after the explosion. Israel would also be looking to change the opinion for any opposition against an airstrike by US and Israel on Iran's nuclear stations which I believe is inevitable as Iran is going ahead with its nuclear programme. I believe we might see an airstrike from Israel on Iran in the next 6 months.

I believe Iran could do a lot better than 2 low intensity magnetic bombs. However, this might be the work of Hezbollah or the work might have been outsourced to a terror group in the sub-continent.
It will be very interesting to see who the IB and/or R&AW believe might be behind this. This attack would definitely have many strategic and geo-political implications on India.
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Bhaskar wrote:It would be foolish for Iran to attack in India or Georgia which might jeopardize the healthy and growing relations it has with these countries.
Mossad could possibly be behind this, as the diplomat in Georgia found the bomb and the injuries received by the diplomat in Delhi were only due to shrapnel from the windows which broke after the explosion.
I believe Iran could do a lot better than 2 low intensity magnetic bombs. However, this might be the work of Hezbollah or the work might have been outsourced to a terror group in the sub-continent.
It will be very interesting to see who the IB and/or R&AW believe might be behind this. This attack would definitely have many strategic and geo-political implications on India.
Bhaskar,

No need to incriminate the Israelis with the zionism propaganda as well. It could well be the soudis/khans who are egging for a war. Dont forget the Brits sucking their thumbs after being denied Eurofighter. or the chinese as a caution to not get too cozy with israelis. Any evidence for or anti?? Though the timing during UP elections cannot be a coincidence one way or another.

It was a message sent by someone to Israel and India. If all we are doing is pis$ing on someone with zero proof or a firm reason, let us do it on every one and if MoEF can, hidden within this lies a huge oppurtunity we can capitalize.
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Well technically it could be SIMI/IM doing a morale boosting attack to cheer up their comrades across the border without automatically attracting attention on Pakistan. They are saying "Look we can hit anyone any time and they won't have clue of who dun it"
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Virupaksha wrote:
Bhaskar wrote:It would be foolish for Iran to attack in India or Georgia which might jeopardize the healthy and growing relations it has with these countries.
Mossad could possibly be behind this, as the diplomat in Georgia found the bomb and the injuries received by the diplomat in Delhi were only due to shrapnel from the windows which broke after the explosion.
I believe Iran could do a lot better than 2 low intensity magnetic bombs. However, this might be the work of Hezbollah or the work might have been outsourced to a terror group in the sub-continent.
It will be very interesting to see who the IB and/or R&AW believe might be behind this. This attack would definitely have many strategic and geo-political implications on India.
Bhaskar,

No need to incriminate the Israelis with the zionism propaganda as well. It could well be the soudis/khans who are egging for a war. Any evidence for or anti?? Though the timing during UP elections cannot be a coincidence one way or another.

It was a message sent by someone to Israel and India.
I believe the attacks were more global than aimed at the UP elections.
Israel benefits more than Iran with these attacks, not that I am saying Israel is behind this, it could very well be a frustrated Iran which doesn't like the now open military ties between India and Israel which were once discreet.
If Iran is behind this then its most likely outsourced to a terror group in South Asia.
However, most likely, it could be a palestine sympathizing groups which has links with Hezbollah, who might have funded for these attacks.
Once again, if VEVAK was behind this, i am pretty sure they would have put on a better show for Israelis.
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The mere presence of child/ren in the car points to certain category of thought process that allows bravery to be shown when wimmens and children are present.

Is this a terrorist attack or merely an incident as our external affairs minister seems to allude to? BTW it is gratifying to know that law of the land will takes it course, alternately the site of "incident" could have been hosed down as they practice in many other enlightened nations. In the meantime, is there any preventitive measures that the law of the land allows and is it hamstrung from running its course lest tear drops from the eyes of those of who need not be named might trickle down.
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Unkil and Aunty are mighty pissed that India snubbed them in the fighter aircraft deal and still buying Iranian crude despite heavy objections. They will have a smirk on their face to see a Israeli knocked off in New Delhi streets by alleged Iranians.
India's apparent independent foreign and defense policy decisions have clearly not gone well with them. India appears to be veering away from their bulls eye zone. Unkil and Aunty might be sending a message to 10 RC Road to mend ways or face consequences.
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Altair wrote:Unkil and Aunty are mighty pissed that India snubbed them in the fighter aircraft deal and still buying Iranian crude despite heavy objections. They will have a smirk on their face to see a Israeli knocked off in New Delhi streets by alleged Iranians.
Unkil and Aunty might be sending a message to 10 RC Road
that is the possibility I am leaning towards. with the services of an ISI linked module utilised as some form of payment.
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Rahul M wrote: that is the possibility I am leaning towards. with the services of an ISI linked module utilised as some form of payment.
That would be undesirable. Unkil would have enough assets in New Delhi, small time crooks to do their occasional dirty works. Every country would have these chaiwallahs in guest countries.They would not rely on ISI linked modules to avoid unnecessary exposure.
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Evidence of Unkil/Aunty
There would be a "sermon" from either Unkil or Aunty in the coming days about how India should behave as a responsible power and act hard on Iran and forgive Pakistan.
We might also hear about more openness for FDI in Retail/Insurance to compensate for MMRCA loss.
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Altair wrote:Unkil and Aunty are mighty pissed that India snubbed them in the fighter aircraft deal and still buying Iranian crude despite heavy objections. They will have a smirk on their face to see a Israeli knocked off in New Delhi streets by alleged Iranians.
India's apparent independent foreign and defense policy decisions have clearly not gone well with them. India appears to be veering away from their bulls eye zone. Unkil and Aunty might be sending a message to 10 RC Road to mend ways or face consequences.

Same here saar. they ensured , that non of the israeli's died. Everyone knows that Iran would be the first country to be blamed. Israel for all its fabled strengths , has been a mere puppet of the US without even realising the fact . Someone badly wants a Israel-Iran conflict .
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Given Unkil's pro-Israel policies, why would they want to hit Israel?
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Given Unkil's pro-Israel policies, why would they want to hit Israel?
read about Gulf of Tonkin or Iraq WMD? :idea:

All we are doing is pi$$ing on everyone :rotfl: without any broof.
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Folks just because the woman did not die didnt mean the bomb had not intent to kill. It could have been worse.Also what is this velcro bomb? It takes lot of effort to make velcro stick to metal even when its glued.


NDTV story:

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abhishek_sharma wrote:Given Unkil's pro-Israel policies, why would they want to hit Israel?
Pro Israel policies ? The policies are pro-Israel only till the bunch of -baums ,-felds and -steins make big campaign contributions .

Unkil has ensured that the middle east crisis virtually never resolves . It has played multiple sides in the mid-east . It is evident that for whatever reason ,Unkil wants to hit Iran . Or engineer and israeli - iranian conflict . One might remember that Iran isn't exactly your Libya . Israel stands to be whacked badly in and Israeli-Iranian conflict . Iran would succumb eventually . Oil prices would go up massively . KSA pervs would make a killing . Someone wants to create mayhem , rather desperately.

Iran is not your usual Muslim yahoo . Hitting an israeli embassy staffer in a country that still does business with you is a level of idiocy , one might expect with the Pakis perhaps . But not the Iranians .

Having said that , I am not a big fan of Iran. One of my best friends and mentor is a Israeli born jew , so I have nothing aganist Israel. I am actually worried for them . They have always hit more than their weight . They may not get away without consequences this time . Hope they don't sent their children to their doom . Who knows what form their gilgul neshamot might be like .
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Pro Israel policies ? The policies are pro-Israel only till the bunch of -baums ,-felds and -steins make big campaign contributions .
So? Surely the contributions haven't stopped recently?

A few months ago, US vetoed a resolution in Security council for Israel. What has changed in last few months to make US an enemy of Israel?
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A better way would be to list who all would like to do this attack.
Can worry about motives later.

In no particular order

saffron terrorists (So eminent persons don't call BRF a Hindutva forum)
Ind Mujhadeen
TSP supported terrorists
Non TSP supported terrorists (Recall Headley and Rana were scouting in many places in India)
Outsourced to TSP terrorists
Arab terrorists hanging out in India
Iran
Israel
India
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Two seemingly unrelated sticky bomb attacks in a seemingly unrelated location, Iraq :
BAGHDAD, Feb. 12 (Xinhua) -- Two people were killed and six others wounded by terrorist attacks in Iraq on Sunday, the police said.

A sticky bomb attached to the car of a manager of a gas station went off, killing him and his driver, in al-Siniyah area, near the city of Baiji, some 200 km north of the capital Baghdad, a local police source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity.

Also on Sunday, another sticky bomb attached to a government vehicle exploded, wounding three employees of the Iraqi Higher Education Ministry in Seliekh district in northern the capital, an Interior Ministry source anonymously told Xinhua.
We'll have to wait for forensics to link the 2 Iraq attacks to ones in Georgia and New Delhi. But all indications appear to point that Iran is paying Israel in the same coin. Mossad has used exactly the same MO of sticky bombs in the past against Iranian nuclear scientists.
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Lets not make light of lack of fatalities

The lady is probably going to have a lot of trauma for the forseeable futur
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A few months ago, US vetoed a resolution in Security council for Israel. What has changed in last few months to make US an enemy of Israel?

Saar .. saar.. saar. the veto was inconsequential . even if the resloution condemning Israeli settlements was passed , the status quo would not have changed . Not vetoing the bill would anger the Jews back home.

US does not have fliends or enemies . All I know , and what I know for sure is that they want mayhem in the middle east. What they stand to benefit from this is not known to me. (Don't have any chaiwallahs in the high table ) .. Israel is a convenient country to help create mayhem in the region. They kill first , ask questions later . They have a deep sense of insecurity . A deadly combo , I tell you .
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A magnetically attached bomb was first developed by Nazis and called Limpets to sink ships in harbor.


If the consensus is an Iranian gang did it then its major blow to IB and the MAC/VAC. Most likely its not for IB knows its terrorists. Only they catch them after the fact.
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I know US wants oil from that region. It also wants hegemony all across the planet. However, in my view, it is pretty unlikely that Unkil would hurt Israeli diplomats. They have many other ways to screw Israel which haven't been used yet. This would be an extreme measure.

In any case, let us move on.
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>>I know US wants oil from that region. It also wants hegemony all across the planet. However, in my view, it is pretty unlikely that Unkil would hurt Israeli diplomats. They have many other ways to screw Israel which haven't been used yet. This would be an extreme measure.


if I was running the CIA and wanted a conflict , the first people I would kill would be the diplomats . not as easy as blowing up a school bus . But lot more specific . They got the israelis to do their dirty jobs . Killing of the Iranian nuclear scientist .(a bunch of Russians who helped India with the KNPP were also killed , they were also associated with the Iranian program) .. Killing israeli diplomats would look like a revenge attack .
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Attack on Israeli diplomat pressures India to curtail Iran ties
By Lisa Curtis

Washington - An Israeli diplomatic vehicle was attacked today in New Delhi, injuring four, including the wife of an Israeli defense representative working at the Embassy. The perpetrator reportedly used the same method of attack -- detonating an explosive device that had been attached magnetically to the vehicle -- that was used to assassinate an Iranian nuclear scientist in Tehran last month.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu directly blamed Iran for the attack, which raises the question of whether Israeli officials will increase pressure on India to curtail its ties with Iran. Despite toughening international sanctions against Iran for its continued pursuit of nuclear weapons, New Delhi is increasing oil imports from Iran and announced last week its plans to send a large trade delegation there.

The Indo-Israeli relationship has blossomed in recent years, mainly in the fields of defense trade and intelligence sharing. Israel has thus far avoided publicly questioning New Delhi over its ties with Tehran, even as U.S. Congressional Members voiced numerous concerns about Iranian-Indian defense contacts, particularly during the height of the U.S.-India civil nuclear negotiations.

India relies on Iran for 12 - 15 percent of its oil needs and uses the Iranian port at Chahbahar to move its goods into Afghanistan, since Pakistan does not allow India to transit its territory. India and Iran worked closely in Afghanistan to counter the Taliban when it ruled Afghanistan from 1996 - 2001, and India likely calculates that it will need to reinstitute similar cooperation to protect its interests in the region when the U.S. withdraws its forces.

India has worked hard to try to balance its burgeoning strategic partnership with the U.S. with its traditionally close relations with Iran. India has voted against Iran in three crucial votes at International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) meetings over the past six years. It also stopped negotiations over an Iran-Pakistan-India energy pipeline under pressure from the U.S.

More recently, however, India has been reluctant to reduce trade ties to Iran and appears to be trying to recoup some of the ground it lost in its diplomatic relations with Iran over the last several years. Indeed, New Delhi increased its imports of Iranian oil from December to January by over 37 percent. India also is negotiating barter-type oil arrangements with Iran to skirt international sanctions, including using an Indian bank to provide rupee payments to Indian companies exporting goods to Iran. Iran is apparently willing to accept rupees instead of dollars for nearly half of the $11 billion worth of oil that India buys from Iran annually.

India will find it increasingly difficult to placate both Iran, on the one hand, and the U.S. and Israel, on the other. Now that Israeli diplomats have been targeted in New Delhi, it will be increasingly difficult for Indian officials to sweep under the carpet their growing trade relations with Tehran. India will have to seriously factor the costs of oil trade with Iran to its rapidly growing defense partnership with Israel. In the coming months, India and Israel are expected to sign a number of military contracts involving co-production and sophisticated Israeli technologies.

The skills of Indian strategists who seek to balance India's role as a growing global power with its need to guard against the prospect of rising regional instability will be tested in coming months as the international confrontation with Iran intensifies.

While the U.S. must continue to press India to stay in step with the international sanctions regime against Iran, U.S. officials should also be more sensitive to India's concerns about Afghanistan. U.S. officials should reassure their Indian counterparts that Washington will remain engaged with Afghanistan diplomatically, financially, and even militarily to some degree, long after 2014 when the U.S. combat mission is set to expire. Washington should also quell any suspicions that it is getting ready to strike a deal with the Taliban that would embolden extremists in the region and sacrifice the hard-won social gains made over the last decade.

Lisa Curtis is Senior Research Fellow for South Asia in the Asian Studies Center at The Heritage Foundation.
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Earlier in the day, a bomb found attached to a car of the Israeli embassy in Tbilisi, Georgia, was neutralized without incident, according to Israeli officials.

No one took responsibility for the two events and Netanyahu did not say what evidence Israel had against Iran. The two countries are sworn enemies, with Iran accusing Israel of waging a shadow war against its “peaceful” nuclear program—killing a handful of Iranian scientists in recent years and conducting other clandestine attacks. Iranian leaders have sworn to avenge the death of the scientists.

Still, New Delhi would seem to be an unlikely venue for an Iranian attack. Almost alone among oil importers, India has defied international pressure to join an embargo against Iran aimed at forcing the regime to give up its uranium enrichment.

Netanyahu, speaking to supporters of his Likud party shortly after the blast, said Iran “and its proxy, Hezbollah” had been trying for months to hit Israeli targets. “Iran is behind these attacks; it is the largest exporter of terrorism in the world,” he said.

Striking a more menacing tone, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said, “We don’t intend to let this pass idly.”

An intriguing facet of the New Delhi attack was the way the modus operandi—a motorcyclist affixing the bomb to a car and speeding away—mimicked precisely the method used to kill several of the Iranian scientists. Israeli analysts said it amounted to a message from Iran that it too could carry out daring pinpoint strikes far from its borders.

Other Israeli observers said Hezbollah was the more likely culprit, possibly in coordination with Tehran. The Lebanese militia is widely believed to be financed and trained by Iran. And it has its own scores to settle with Israel. This week, the group marked four years since the assassination of one of its top operatives, Imad Mughnieh, whose head was blown off by a bomb planted in the headrest of his car in Damascus. Israel’s Mossad is widely believed to have carried out the murder. On the anniversary of Mughnieh’s death every year, Israeli embassies around the world have gone on high alert.

The concern regionally is that these cumulative strikes and reprisals could escalate into a full-fledged war. For months now, Washington has been worried that Israel might be planning a broad assault on Iran’s nuclear installations, possibly in the spring.
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The two places where the attack took place are India and Georgia.

About Iran-Georgia relations from 2010 in Wiki:
The beginning of 2010 saw increasing cooperation between the two countries. Agents from Iran's foreign ministry visited Tbilisi in May 2010 to discuss Iranian investment in the construction of a hydroelectric plant as well as Iran's intentions to import electricity from the country.[2] The meeting lead to president Mikheil Saakashvili inviting his Iranian counterpart Mahmood Ahmadinejad to Tbilisi.[2]

In late May 2010 Iranian ambassador Majid Samadzade Saber announced that Iran and Georgia intend to lift visa restrictions for travel between the countries.[3] According to the Iranian Ambassador, Iran and Georgia are holding talks on opening an Iranian consulate in Batumi.[3] The announcement was scheduled during Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki's visit to Tbilisi scheduled later in the month.
So, Iran's relationship with Georgia was getting better. Iran and Georgia have historical ties.

Now, about India-Iran relationship:
New Delhi is increasing oil imports from Iran and announced last week its plans to send a large trade delegation there. India has voted against Iran in three crucial votes at International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) meetings over the past six years. India has been reluctant to reduce trade ties to Iran and appears to be trying to recoup some of the ground it lost in its diplomatic relations with Iran over the last several years. Indeed, New Delhi increased its imports of Iranian oil from December to January by over 37 percent. India also is negotiating barter-type oil arrangements with Iran to skirt international sanctions, including using an Indian bank to provide rupee payments to Indian companies exporting goods to Iran. Iran is apparently willing to accept rupees instead of dollars for nearly half of the $11 billion worth of oil that India buys from Iran annually.

So, India is one of the few 'friends' of Iran.

The circumstance:
There is growing efforts to put complete embargo on Iran. And India has defied this embargo, so far. And India has gone out of its way to pay for the Oil imports from Iran.

There seems to be a plan to strike Iranian installations if coming months. The strikes may come from Israel backed by international powers(US, UK,...etc).

Modus Operandi:
The modus operandi is same as the modus operandi in killing the nuclear scientists of Iran, which was allegedly carried out by Mossad. So, the modus operandi of this particular attack was similar to the modus operandi of Mossad.

Reaction:
Israel PM blamed Iran and Hezbollah shortly after the attack but did not provide any evidence. His tone was menacing and he warned of consequences.

Conclusion:
Iran would have to be ultra-stupid to carry out attacks in India and Georgia which would make it very difficult for India or Georgia to stick around with Iran. The motive of Iran is not clear in carrying out this attack. If the motive was vengeance for killing their scientists(and stopping their nuclear program), then the attack was certainly very small(because it would have no deterrent effect). And the location(India) does not add up.

It seems to me that the motive of this attack was to implicate Iran and use it as an excuse to force India and Georgia to snap their ties with Iran. Further, to use this as an excuse to justify any future strikes on Iran.

Iran seems to be heading the same path as Libya and Iraq.
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RM,
The very relationship and dependenceon Iranian oil - and the general disbelief that Iranian connection is possible at all, - makes it a good cover.

As for spoiling the India-Iran entente, you are not considering the peculiar pattern of reaction that India has shown since the time of independence towards violence identifiable with the particular theology. The regimes become even more staunchly defensive of the theology, and bend over backwards to prove themselves pro-that-theology. There is an extra effort at behaving responsibly, and offer peace gestures. This consistent reaction would be enough to take the risk as a calculated ultra-lo-risk (of exposure hence souring).

In fact, instead of souring - it will only strengthen the voice of those factions within, which despise the Indo-Israeli links. [Keeping the Israeli links onlee invites such public outrages, inflames a certain theology, creates internal disturbances, and hampers grwoth and prosperity, etc].

This is of course a hypothetical scenario, and was put forward by me to show how everything becomes "possible" to think of. When we can so easily think of US, UK, or even Isarel hurting itself - but cannot think of Iran, Palestinians, and almost every two-bit Islamist who thinks of the "monkeys" to be butchered everytime the letter J or Y comes up - I wanted to show, that logically it was possible for Iran too.

There is no doubt that parts of US+UK networks may help such an event along - I mean - yes, possible. But that does not need to be simply because those parts want to make a case for Iran to be hit - but because those parts might actually be interested in forwarding certain types of theological-political agenda. There are sections who absolutely hate Israel, and their old religious prejudices now flourish under the cover of neo-humanitarianism which is however contextual and relative - [I mean if Muslim populations are squared off against Orthodox, or the Jews - then onlee Muslims have human rights, or they are somehow more human than their opponents].

SwamyG - it must be your own conclusion that I modeled the content of my post by drawing analogies to some BRFite's behaviour. I can find no such pointer or reference in my post - except that I am simply posing something as possible which has been rejected by others on the ground of "friendship".
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Considering that the Saudis would want India to put some distance between herself and Iran, as well as to push the Israelis to take the lead against Iran, while keeping themselves in the background, this act could just as well have been undertaken by the Sunni terrorist cell!
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>> the general disbelief that Iranian connection is possible

what general disbelief ?!
no source whether media or govt has even hinted let alone supported anything but an iranian hand. the long thesis falls apart when facts on the ground say otherwise.
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shyamd wrote:Well whatever happens, blame should be with MHA or PC, he is ultimately responsible to provide security to all citizens/visitors of our nation. We can always deflect and say uncle Israeli didn't tell us this or that, but ultimately we should have had intel on the attack and should have been able to stop it. No excuses.

Now expect a whole host of copy cat terror attacks targetting someone important.
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There is no thesis and very little facts on the ground to rule out any of the possibilities. Its also doubtful that any real "actionable" intel would be found. We are all speculating. My point was not to exclude quarters simply becuase we find it hard to believe. As repeatedly pointed out by me - friendship will not be affected even if it turns out to be Iran really.
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with most people suggesting that its iran or hezbollah behind the attack it looks like we are stuck between the deep sea and the devil. As stated by an earlier poster even if it was iran who did it we wouldnt be able to do anything abt...and the reason goes to our energy needs as 45% of our oil comes from Iran....
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When we posit our energy needs as forcing our hands to deal with the GCC who maintain the very clerics who spread the posion around for the subcontinent - and keep on interacting, or the so-called need to carry on the dialogue with Pakis - why is it so difficult to see that even if Iran gets implicated formally, Iran does not have much to fear in terms of deterioration of relationship. Moreover - this was not targeted at indiscriminate Indian crowds - but at specific hate targets. It can easily be passed off as ethically or morally valid righteous anger of youth reacting against persecution by enemies of the theology.
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Probably this attack is motivated by some one who wants to see a rift between Iran and India created or atleast some bad blood for attacking Isralites on Indian soil.

Iran will be foolish to stage a attack and loose few friends that it has in the world and one large trading partner.
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