The Red Menace

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Muppalla » 26 Dec 2010 00:15

I belive this judgement will be fought rigourously. If it stands, it will toll the bells for several in India. There are a lot of stakes and THIS cannot be allowed as a reference in future judgements for many many of them.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 26 Dec 2010 00:46

The first lecture to understand "The Red menace" is to know the mining map of India:
http://old.cseindia.org/programme/indus ... nerals.htm
The lesson from the lecture is that the LWE states are the new colonies of china. For a wisecrack to get the point across, who thought one maoist bhen**** will fight another maoist bhen****? Neither maoists know how to mao, well that is a second lesson, if you are still with me, that is. Meanwhile, a third lesson for you if you thought there would be some clarity on Forest Rights, esp in the wake of Baba's Niyamgiri uvacha. It is a paralyzed India in the decision-making apparatus of INC:
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... =HTML&GZ=T
On the other hand, the National Advisory Council, headed by Sonia Gandhi, too is close to finalizing a set of recommendations on how to implement the act better. The one thing the two – NAC and the Saxena panel – seem to agree on is that FRA has not been implemented even half as well as it could have been. The NAC sums it up the failure of the government:

Extensive rejections (more than 70% in most states, more than 90% in some states), as officials are insisting on documentary evidence, overriding gram sabha decisions
Non-recognition of community forest resource rights and other non-land rights
Imposition of deadlines preventing people from filing claims
Harassment, forced relocation and evictions from protected areas and other forests
Continuing diversion of forest land for large projects even where people have rights

But the N C Saxena Committee, half-packed with forest officials and half with NGOs and academics, seems to have ended up being ambiguous on how to rectify the situation. Part of the confusion emanating from the panel was expected, with forest officials naturally expected not to agree with dramatic changes in their role – as forest advisors instead of forest governors.

The NAC has played it slightly more cautiously. Even as it is aware of the larger challenges of overhauling the forest bureaucracy itself (which a part of the government is now seriously keen to address) it has stuck to the simple – what to do to get the act implemented without waiting for revolution to arrive. It has asked for reinforcing the primacy of the gram sabha as the quasi-judicial body that makes real decisions – the act provides for it but the states and Centre have been so far trying to diminish the role for the village council. While it has asked for change in the forest department’s role as owners policing their lands to a facilitative and supportive one, they have suggested concrete ways of making community forestry the primary way the forestry sector works in future under FRA.

And finally, some potent stuff for folks who want to just scratch the surface of the maoist menace...
http://www.ipcs.org/article/india/maois ... -3297.html
One, they want to penetrate the student organizations and workers in the unorganized sector. This would help them to bolster their frontal mass movement. Furthermore, the students can serve as a potent recruitment pool for the guerrilla movement as well as provide fillip to the technological prowess of the ultras. And secondly, the rebels, in all probability, intend to wreck the electoral process of the impending legislative elections in West Bengal in the middle of 2011. To ensure that, presence in the city is a must.

Second, information has been obtained that the insurgents want to extend their network beyond the so-called Red Corridor and target the tea plantation labourers in the Northeast. In that venture, they are in the process of forging alliances with terror outfits based in the region. Incidentally, the capture of these Maoist leaders appears to be linked to the arrest of Anthony Shimray, the chief arms buyer of the NSCN (IM) and Rajkumar Meghen, the chairman of United National Liberation Front. Shimray was arrested in Kathmandu on 2 October 2010, soon after he bought a fresh consignment of arms and communication devices worth 4.5 crore. There is a distinct possibility that the huge cache of arms and rudimentary voice-controlled explosives seized from Kanchan and his team was in some way connected to the separatists of Northeast.

Kanchan has disclosed that the Maoists have already struck a deal to get arms and training from the Manipur-based insurgent group, the People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (Prepak). He further told the STF that the deal with Prepak was struck around eight months ago after the leadership of both outfits agreed to help each other. Hence, this is an additional rationale for the Maoists to develop a base in Kolkata since it would facilitate communications with the Northeast. Moreover, close contacts with the Bangladesh-based Shailen Sarkar’s Communist Party can also turn out to be a reality.

http://www.claws.in/index.php?action=ma ... 0&u_id=136
According to Vishwa Ranjan, the Director General of Police of Chhattisgarh; somewhere in April or May this year, two LeT operatives had reportedly attended a Naxalite meeting as ‘observers’ at a forested location inside Orissa, close to Chhattisgarh's Bastar region. He however cautioned that the inputs received by the intelligence wings were based on a single source and not corroborated by the required multiple sources. In fact, even before, there have been allegations that Islamabad-based terrorist organisations have, if not overt, at least peripheral connections with Indian Maoists.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 26 Dec 2010 02:39

The recruitment effort among students by Maoists is a well known and long known thing. Not a shocking disclosure. But what should have been noted is that many of the top or inner circle Maoist leadership are graduates of well-known institutions of higher education. One prominent recruiter is in the heart of GOI territory and right under its nose - at JNU. Almost all the IIT's and other institutes of national importance supply the brainpower as well as connections. How does that process go on if there are not blessings from sections within the system?

Doctors and engineers are over represented in the leadership among the radical leftists, and is also a consistent pattern from before independence among anti-Brit groups. Doctors are especially in touch with social side, and because they get spread around in the countryside at least for part of their training, there has remained a strong connection with radicalism - whose pre-existing leadership make special efforts to recruit them. Doctors have an almost universal "passport" - they can penetrate areas where most others will not be "allowed". An increasing mercenary culture and peer-pressure for monetary success also perhaps triggers "guilt" feelings in some and then they compensate by subverting the system in their own way.

It should also come as no surprise that Bengalis, Biharis, Orissis, and Andhras over-represent the leadership. These areas have always tried to maintain their independence from upper Gangetic valley dominance. The same drive that pushed the Bengalis to react violently against the Brits, had also pushed them against the Delhi Sultanate or Delhi Mughals, and have since independence driven them to go against the Delhi based Congress politics. If Delhi had shrewdly allowed the Bengalis greater room in political power [just as they could have done for Punjabis] a lot of leftist wind would have been taken away. No, regional and linguistic hidden hatreds cannot be abandoned - so the problem was never tackled.

The over representation from a certain faith/creed origin [although there are members who come from different creed but are usually not highlighted] is a direct continuation of a long standing phenomenon, by which other creeds were also under-represented in any violent movement that was not pushing for those particular faiths supremacy. The main reason that almost none or very little of a certain faith background appear in anti-British radical groups.

The surnames should be seen as consistent as elite from a certain creed are over-represented in all top leadership of all political movements in India, be it left or right or vacuum. The leadership across the spectrum share in their common "social" origins.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby JE Menon » 26 Dec 2010 03:14

Stan,

Not disputing any of what you said, as am not sufficiently informed about the subject.

I am referring specifically to the quote of Sahni. I have followed this gent for quite a while, and if anything, he is more jingo than pretty much any BRFite, which is why my strong suspicion about the quote.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 26 Dec 2010 03:45

The quote might have been just what he had said. His motives are entirely different than the way the HR-nazis portray it however.

Sahni has been super-critical of both MHA and the various State governments on why they do not understand what the hell they are facing. He has been actually verbally caustic with the proposed/announced plans of inter-governmental camaraderie a la Greenhunt. He has sounded out against dishing symbolic acts/meaningless statements rather than doing the job of fixing the mess. Fits entirely within the global theme of stuff he has been yakking about. Binayak Sen is more of a symbolic gesture than one that will critically change the conflict, whether it is a gesture that needs to be taken to completion is a question we can endlessly debate. As usual, the Goebbels like any propaganda, esp if it comes from a venerable vantage point as Sahni's. Leeches...

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Anindya » 26 Dec 2010 06:13

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Testimony-of-a-merchant-sealed-Binayak-Sens-fate-/articleshow/7165181.cms

A close reading of the 92-page order in Hindi shows that sessions court judge B P Varma largely relied on cloth merchant Anil Kumar Singh's testimony to prove that Sen acted as a courier of seditious letters.

Singh is the sole independent witness produced by the prosecution to corroborate Guha's arrest and subsequent seizure of three incriminating letters from his bag by the police. Laying special emphasis on his testimony, the judge observes: "As far as the question concerning the involvement of accused Binayak Sen in Naxal activities, witness Anil Kumar Singh has testified that when accused Piyush Guha was asked during the seizure where he got the letters from, he said Dr Binayak Sen used to visit Narayan Sanyal in jail, and the letters were given to him then." Singh claimed he had heard Guha confess that Sen had handed him Sanyal's letters and asked him to carry them to Kolkata.

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The letters themselves, observed the judge, had been written by Sanyal, without any doubt, as proved by the testimony of a handwriting expert. That Sanyal was a member of the banned CPI Maoist's politburo was confirmed, he said, citing testimonies of several policemen from Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Andhra Pradesh, as well as the Maoist magazine 'People's March', seized from Guha, which mentions Sanyal alias Comrade Vijay alias Comrade Prasad as a senior leader of the organisation.

Once again falling back on Singh's testimony, the judge concludes, "It showed the unity of mind of the accused and established facts relating to conspiracy to commit sedition. Apart from this, even before the incident, Narayan Sanyal had sent a postcard to Binayak Sen. Claiming to be a relative, Dr Sen met Sanyal several times in jail. This proves that they knew each other well, had close relations, and hatched a criminal conspiracy."

Sen had maintained in the course of the trial that he met Sanyal in his capacity as a general secretary of the People's Union of Civil Liberties and that it wasn't true that he claimed he was Sanyal's relative. But the judge relied on the testimonies of jail staff who said Dr Sen had claimed so. The judge also observed that PUCL, Rupantar (the NGO run by Binayak Sen's wife Ilina Sen) didn't appear to be registered bodies. "Naxals like Shankar Singh, Malati, etc used to work for Rupantar. This proves Binayak Sen was involved in Naxal activities, and gave them shelter and support."

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 26 Dec 2010 07:32

I was looking at some of the Pucl office bearers from the days gone by:
http://www.pucl.org/from-archives/may81/puclformed.htm
You find names such as Balraj Pun, Arun Shourie, Cho Ramaswamy, Shibu Soren, PG Mavlankar (son of the first speaker of India, GV Mavlankar), Girish Karnad, Nayantara Sahgal (related to Nehru), Nana Palkhivala, Ram Jethmalani, etc. Wow, what an august company to keep. One set of folks moved on, another got stuck in the rut (like KG Kannabiran and Binayak Sen).

May be this will give a better insight into how all the anti-Indira Gandhi forces in the post-Emergency phase converged to form the Pucl. What a steep drop from those halycon days of energetic idealism.
http://www.pucl.org/Topics/PUCL/2006/ta ... orial.html

As I mentioned before, this is what happened when Binayak sought bail the second time. Wow.
http://www.pucl.org/Topics/Human-rights ... -bail.html
Hon'ble Mr. Justice Markandey Katju was Elevated to Supreme Court on 10th April, 2006 and due to retire on 20th Sept, 2011.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Yagnasri » 26 Dec 2010 09:22

Sen was providing cover and logistics to the naxals and also occasional safe house. So it was held he is involved in sedition. Now every one in Jhola gang is crying that he is a reputed docter etc. The reputationitself is part of teh cover and used by him for his naxal work.

In naxal raj people like him would have been dragged to a peoples (kangaroo) court and trial would have compleated in two minutes, no appeals and instant beheading. It is very bad that courts in our fasist state took two years giving his lawyer all the time to defend him and now a line of appeals are avaliable to him. We also should start peoples court so that he can get instant and proper justice like just like naxals raj.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby AbhishekD » 26 Dec 2010 10:26

It is sad that a doctor who was working for tribal welfare for the last 2 decades had to turn to the darkside and start supporting maoists. There is something terribly wrong with our system. The story of Binayak Sen needs to be told and lessons needs to be learnt.

The Binayak Sen story is no ordinary story. Was he a closet maoist all along or did he turn over to the darkside sometime during his interaction with the tribals. We need to know this story

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Singha » 26 Dec 2010 12:29

NAC is a mouthpiece of The Family and its backers in various shadowy domestic/foreign levels....this verdict will get thrown out at state high court level itself and certainly in the supreme court where the kangress has more 'hooks' and a-level lawyers on the payroll.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Suppiah » 26 Dec 2010 13:25

I say, did Binayak, who found time to visit his comrades 35 times ever visit any other prisoner in that prison and inquire about their human right condition or status? Or go to any other prison? Or is it that he is only concerned with human rights of one particular prisoner or prisoners from one particular gang? If so then what is PUCL? Should they rename themselves as Naxal union for Mass murderer and eye-gouger rights?

Strange also that none of the yellow puppets or intellectual puppets of these mass murderers have defended or called for the release of the other two prisoners.

Is that a admission of their guilt? Or they are expendable bourgeoise?
Is the judge so stupid that he could see the facts for them but not for Binayak?
Or are they scared their real game plan would be out in open if they call for release of all 3?

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Suppiah » 26 Dec 2010 13:29

AbhishekD wrote:It is sad that a doctor who was working for tribal welfare for the last 2 decades had to turn to the darkside and start supporting maoists. There is something terribly wrong with our system. The story of Binayak Sen needs to be told and lessons needs to be learnt.

The Binayak Sen story is no ordinary story. Was he a closet maoist all along or did he turn over to the darkside sometime during his interaction with the tribals. We need to know this story


Abhsihek that is exactly how it would have been spun had he become a Bajrang Dal operative. They would have brandished all the literature seized as "proof" and even if he had met anyone briefly while riding in a train compartment, they would have been connected up as 'co-conspirators'. If his second cousin twice removed was the next door neighbour of a 'Sangh-parivar' activist, that would have been ample proof.

Just the Stalinist rapist goon propaganda yellow daily coverage of Malegaon matter, it should be obvious.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Singha » 26 Dec 2010 13:50

the verdict will be overturned (it was allowed to be given to setup the case for wide media publicity). this will establish the legal precedent for similar cases later and cow down judges who might even think of pronoucing guilty on this sophisticated layer of overground naxals.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Suppiah » 26 Dec 2010 14:00

I hope that takes another 10 years and BS rots in jail with his comrades until then...would serve as a lesson to others that try to mix up social service with anti-national activities...

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Singha » 26 Dec 2010 14:29

the bigger players are the real danger. he is merely a stalking horse and pawn for them - they will hang him out to dry to prove their point.

perhaps we should look at the background of each and every member of the NAC.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Suppiah » 26 Dec 2010 14:41

The list at http://nac.nic.in/member.htm looks fairly harmless on paper and some like Dr. MSS are beyond question known for their integrity and commitment to country , but one has to dwelve deeper to find out about the rest..

some snippets of 'qualifications'

Harsh Mandar - Runs Aman Biradari, a people’s campaign for secularism, peace and justice; Nyayagrah, for legal justice and reconciliation for the survivors of communal violence;

Farah Naqvi - She has worked on justice for victims of communal violence, with a particular focus on survivors of sexual violence. This included years of grass roots work on the landmark Bilkis Bano gang-rape case,

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby AbhishekD » 26 Dec 2010 14:56

We all know how the right wing is treated in India. Right wing activists are thrown to dogs immediately. Even a Laxminanda did not get these people's sympathy but a Graham Staines got international recognition. So the bias is well understood, but still somebody from within the system becoming a naxal who had gone to villages to help tribals is tragic. His story of how he became a Naxal needs to be told from both the view points.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 26 Dec 2010 20:22

There is one thing we never mention or point out : there is no serious, persistent attempt from intellectuals, academics, media and politicians to deconstruct Marxism or Communism in the context of India. No one from that "illustrious" side really, seriously says "Marxism/communism is anti-Indian, it is not in the spirit and tradition of India, it is inconsistent with the all absorbing, all tolerating - never hitting back for any abuse - tradition of mahaan Bharat". However there is no dearth of voices that spew venom from every word when it comes to "Hindu Right wing philosophy".

For the same class of shouting voices, "Hindu rightwing philosophy is anti-Indian, its not in the spirit and tradition of India, it is inconsistent with the all absorbing, all tolerating - never hitting back for any abuse - tradition of mahaan Bharat".

There is not a single voice of similar criticism for Christianity or Islam too. Thus the voices that have gorwn up with mutually reinforcing relationship with the post-Independence rashtra actually form a systemic framework that overtly and covertly protects and legitimize all the three major proselytizing applications of ME based religions - Christianity, Islam and Marxism.

How can that rashtra take any action against ideologies it has always legitimized and sanctified? The first step towards destroying any ideology by the rashtra is to first delegitimize it through education and propaganda. This rashtra has selected the "Hindu right" for destruction while not taking a single step against the three it favours for obvious reasons. The Hindu right has the potential for catching the public imagination and could eventually turn the tide against the the three other virtually sponsored by the rashtra.

Menaces, including the Red, persist because the rashtra one way or the other protects forms of them and legitimizes them.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Suppiah » 26 Dec 2010 20:33

Everyone has been scared into silence against marxism because these goons have cleverly morphed themselves into 'liberal/secular' and occupied practically 90% of the wavelength in media/academia and elsewhere. To the point where you practically need to apply in triplicate to Alimuddin street to be acknowledged an 'intellectual'. At their will they can slander anyone as 'fascist Hindutva hate-monger and hence doom promising 'careers' in intellectualism.. where you can sit in numerous academic/cultural 'boards' or organisations, milk state funds and grow fat and give awards to each other..

One way to fight this IMHO is to highlight the fact that though even in West the liberal community is practically synonymous with left, we are talking about two entirely different left here...

A small example - the leftest of the liberals in the US, Nancy Pelosi, attended the Nobel peace prize ceremony of Liu recently and gave a speech about democracy, rule of law etc. Which one of the mass murderer/rapist goon/Maoist eye-gouger/womanizer puppets in India pretending to be intellectual had that courage? To these traitors democracy is exactly what a good body cell or tissue is to a cancer cell. To be destroyed from within. These people's hands are drenched in the blood of numerous train passengers, policemen, forest guards, ordinary citizens killed brutally by the leftists.

I think if this difference is highlighted enough, the western left will hopefully wash their hands of the Indian left just as they would never be associated with Pol Pot or Jiang zemin, though they too are leftists.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 26 Dec 2010 20:44

^^^British marxist historians were the loudest voices to try and deny the role of slavery in early capital accumulation of Britian and its subsequent fueling of British industrial revolution. These were also the voices which fought the strongest to try to disprove the role of looted/unequal trade capital extracted from India in British growth.

They prove loyal where it is the ultimate question of loyalty to their system and country. Their choices can be explained by that loyalty. That is something that Indian leftists could learn from. However, if it is not in the interest of the country of the "western Marxist" to go against the Indian left - then western Marxists will not wash off their hands of Indian Marxists.

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Postby Suppiah » 26 Dec 2010 20:53

But there are a few redeeming realities that we should look at consider ourselves lucky:

a) These mass murderers are on the run electorally. Every state that progresses 1% has 2% less chance of ever voting them to power. In most developed states they are in single digits in state assembly, even if they shamelessly lick the butt-holes of some local chieftain/dynasty or the other, begging for seats.

b) The yellow media and intellectual puppets, though occupying 90% of the airwaves, have not managed to get any substantial swing in votes or thoughts in favor of these traitors. They are disgracing their own image as shown recently in Barking mutt episode....

It is just that we SDRE BRF jingos read the very same yellow publications and listen to the very same crap and conclude that these people decide who the next PM is....thankfully they are far away from there and getting further away...

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 26 Dec 2010 20:58

No the left does not really determine who gets the peacock throne at Delhi. But they are useful tools at the hands of Delhi. With the two other proselytizing branches of the Abrahamic they are "minority" but loud and effectively aggressive voices with which to beat the "majority". They provide one more option to manipulate the large mass of the country.

"If you dont keep my family in power, I will unleash these on you - whom I have protected and preserved sufficiently weak so that they cannot bite the hand with which I feed them. But still strong enough, supported by the right dose of human rights chicanery and other clever social-psychological manipulation - to cause you to shake in your cultural attire!"

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Postby Suppiah » 26 Dec 2010 21:06

^^^ do you see parallels with US-TSP relationship here when each side thinks they are fooling the other and getting them to do what they want without doing what they should be doing....

The dynasty thinks these useful idiots can be useful if they are a few votes short...all you have to do is to bow to Beijing which is as easy as eating pasta. The other side thinks the dynasty can be kept on the hooks by their support and selective criticism when they start straining the leashes doing uncomfortable things such as looking Beijing in the eye...

Both want power for themselves and responsibility for the other..

Talking of proselyticisation, only one is of that nature, the other one has long run out of the 'tools' (aka throne - power to kill and punish) needed to do it so it is quiet now..

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 26 Dec 2010 21:27

Are they really that quiet...and lost power to "punish"? Think, Andhra, God's own country, Nagaland or even Orissa? :twisted: Also they seem to complement and cohabit in close proximity with the atheist pretending third branch of the same root, Reds - in all the above?

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Pratyush » 27 Dec 2010 09:12

Yet another fake historian who is making noises in favour of the Fake Gandhians who want to over throw the republic.


Not to question why

The most outrageous part of the fartical


Sen's conviction happened in a court subject to intimidation by a government run by (and I use the word advisedly) paranoid politicians (helped by sometimes paranoid police officers). His conviction will and should be challenged. As it stands, however, it is a disgrace to democracy. His brave wife commented on the verdict that if "one who has worked for the poor of the country for 30 years, if that person is found guilty of sedition activities and conspiracy, when gangsters and scamsters are walking free, I think it's a scandalous situation". Any reasonable Indian would concur.

Ramachandra Guha is the author of India After Gandhi: The History of the World's Largest Democracy. The views expressed by the author are personal.


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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Pratyush » 27 Dec 2010 10:02

Raj throwback

This is the latest in a series of cases in which either the prosecution or the court appears to have missed the strict condition on which Section 124A of the Indian Penal Code has survived the test of free speech guaranteed by the Constitution. The Supreme Court ruled in 1962 that no sedition charge can be made unless the disaffection against the state spread by the accused was found to be a direct incitement to violence or armed rebellion. This meant that even if the prosecution's version were accepted that he had couriered letters from a jailed Maoist leader to his associates, the trial court would have had to establish that Sen's words or deeds were a direct incitement to violence or jeopardised public order. Without showing how any intent of violence could be attributed to a human rights activist with a lifetime service in rural healthcare, the trial court held him guilty of criminal conspiracy to commit sedition in the teeth of the law laid down by the Supreme Court.


The editorial very conveniently seems to ignore that his actions are providing aid and comfort to the Maoists. Thus he is a participent in the activities of the maoists. Therefore, if the Jailed maoist leader is guilty of sedition. Dr Sen is also be association as he is providing material comfort to the maoists.

But this is some thing we have come to expect from the TOI.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Raghavendra » 27 Dec 2010 19:50

Maoists torch houses of three CPI(M) supporters in West Bengal
http://www.zeenews.com/news676994.html

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Avinash R » 27 Dec 2010 21:22

The punishment handed out to maoist binayak sen is just and fair

More power to such judges who unwaveringly punished this criminal who wanted to impose his murderous ideology on the indian public

And those people who have mounted an media offensive to free this criminal, particularly the news anchors from UndieTv, should detest from such traitorous actions since they will be counted among the maoist terrorists and will certainly have to suffer the public wrath. If you shameless people continue licking the feet of maoists for money then you will treated like dogs.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Yagnasri » 28 Dec 2010 02:08

They are already are dogs brother. Nothing new there.

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Postby Suppiah » 28 Dec 2010 10:03

Where is the public wrath? The silent majority is just that - suffering in silence even as they are killed, get eyes gouged out and brutally tortured by these leftists.

The rapist goon/mass murderer assault on Indian judiciary continues...yellow daily is devoting practically half of days edition for this....problem is they dominate the airwaves...

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Postby brihaspati » 28 Dec 2010 21:56

What about the Deputy Collector's gussa? So we do have soft spots within the admin and rashtryia apparatus itself as surmised long ago on Red Menace threads. Any background on Kanphade-ji?

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Postby Pratyush » 29 Dec 2010 09:29

Why Nobel laureate Obama will not cry for Binayak Sen

I will not post the vitriol to give it more publicity then it deserves.

But I will post my responces to the author, I fully expect them not to be approved by the moderators.

If one needs to understand the bankruptcy of the Indian Intellectual class. They just need to read the above blog post.

The certification from the Americans if the ultimate certificate for the violation of the Human rights.

But the intellectual class will have no second thoughts when it comes to crucifying the Imperialists of USA.

Moreover they seem to have conveniently forgotten that the Maoists as waging was against the Indian state. Which being the case any one who sympathies with their cause through word and actions is guilty of waging a war on the Indian state. Therefore deserving the punishment according to the full extent of the law.

Having said so I shudder to think Mr Sens fate had he been accused of being a police informant.


It is interesting to ready about the a ligations of human rights abuse by Salwa Judam. If the organizational and its activities were so odious then one fails to understand why a single FIR has not been filed against the members of the organisation. for the crimes alleged to have been committed by the organisation.

Or why the NHRC has not taken up the matter in the Supriem Court.

Is the author insinuating that the supreme court is a compromised institution.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Pratyush » 30 Dec 2010 11:59

The loyal, seditious Dr Sen

From the article;

Today’s sedition law reads: “Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation, or otherwise, brings or attempts to bring into hatred or contempt, or excites or attempts to excite disaffection towards, the Government established by law in India.”


It seems that a man who helps those who are activly involves in the above. Should not be held responsible for his actions and punished as an accessory to sedition.

Just because he has been doing a good job otherwise dosenot mean that he can get away with helping those who are intent on overthrowing the democratically ellected Indian state and the republic.

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Postby jamwal » 30 Dec 2010 14:44

Operation Nandigram: The Inside Story

The BUPC’s leader Bhabani Prasad Das claimed that the CPI (M) organised armed cadres, arms and ammunition much beyond what was required to counter them. “We had simple country made weapons and they were not enough to fight back the CPI(M) militia,” he said. The Union Government’s version of events in Nandigram is yet to be made public. With the CRPF maintaining a strong neutral presence an enabling situation was created for the National Human Rights Commission and the Central Bureau of Investigation to conduct their independent investigations and assessments. They sought explanations from the local police and recorded testimonies of those displaced by the bloody battle between the mercenaries sponsored by the CPI (M) and the Trinamul Congress. At the NHRC and the CBI headquarters in Delhi, the investigators are joining the dots to figure out how the CPI (M) recaptured Nandigram.



In the case of Nandigram, the affected population were largely muslims. It had Islamic fundamentalism angle as well. No sooner Nandigram was recaptured by the CPI (M) carders, there was sudden and shrill clamour by some Islamic organisations to oust Taslima Nasrin from Kolkata. The secular CPI (M) state government caved in. The central government was confused and defensive, and Indian secularists still appear confounded and cornered. The state government may have won the battle, but the credibility of Indian democracy and secularism has taken much beating.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Hari Seldon » 30 Dec 2010 15:21

Any idea what the vernacular press is saying? Did the release of that shaukat guru arsol get any coverage there? There was minimal coverage in angrezi media.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Pratyush » 31 Dec 2010 10:30

Maoists call for protest against Binayak verdict

The worms are crawling out of the wood work.

RAIPUR: The CPI (Maoist) on Thursday called for weeklong protests starting January 2 against "the fascist Chhattisgarh government's court judgments" sentencing civil rights activist Binayak Sen, Maoist leader Narayana Sanyal and two others for sedition.

"These judgments are the latest additions to the huge cache of anti-people, fascist repressive measures of the Indian ruling classes," said the banned group in a statement. It said the sentencing was "the most shameless thing for the rulers to do even while boasting that this is the biggest democracy in the world


The organisation that is committed to the overthrow of the democratic Indian stata and has in the past shown no hesitation in be heading villagers on the pretext of them being police informants. Is lementing the courts judgement against the overground enabeler of their movement.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Muppalla » 31 Dec 2010 10:36

By the way Kannabhiram is dead naturally.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 31 Dec 2010 13:43

So 2 dead this year: Kanu Sanyal and Kannabhiran.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Muppalla » 31 Dec 2010 19:28

Does anyone know this event or did we ever discuss this in BRF? If true then NDA leaders should be lynched for even allowing this to happen :x

WSF in Mumbai: A anti-imperialist bluff - this was in 2004

The World Social Forum, that has so far met annually in Porto Alegre, Brazil, this year met at Mumbai, India between Jan 16 and 21, 2004. The WSF at Mumbai was no different from other such gatherings. It had all the trappings of a gigantic fair (it was held at National Exhibitions Grounds, a venue of Trade Fairs) with pronounced 'ethnic' and 'tribal' flavour. The show was definitely big - nearly 80000 people from 132 countries are supposed to have participated in 1200 events around the WSF.


Long before WSF 2004 began, the bourgeois media in India, following in the footsteps of their western counterparts, was propagating its virtues. Indian press and TV sympathetically covered the events. Indian trade and industry accorded it 'due respect' as a legitimate expression of 'dissent'. Success of the WSF in Mumbai was further assured by the sympathy of the Congress - erstwhile ruling party of India, currently the ruling party in Mumbai - and the participation of the party of the dalit (lower-caste) bourgeoisie: the Republican Party, coalition partners of Congress in Mumbai. Some major events were chaired by top Indian politicians known for their links with 'lower castes' - VP Singh, the ex-Prime Minister of India famous for triggering caste clashes as a means of strengthening the Indian state, and R. K. Naryanan, the ex-President of India. But the main organisers in India were the biggest Stalinist parties - the CPI (M) and CPI. They mobilised the nation-wide apparatus of their front organisations. The Mumbai office of the WSF was housed in a stalinist building in 'Leningrad Square'. The youth wings of the stalinist parties provided volunteers to the WSF. Stalinist intellectuals adorned the stages at many events at the WSF.

Also present at WSF Mumbai were a large number of NGOs who provide ideological cover for the state's attack on social wages. And there were the regular international personalities: from Le Monde Diplomatique, leader of the French farmers Jose Bove, Labour MPs Clare Short and Jeremy Corbin, Winnie Mandela et al.


The plot of INC win in 2004 may have more hands and there are more outside India's borders.


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