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Re: The Red Menace

Postby chetak » 29 Jun 2009 01:17

Blood brothers or country cousins? :shock:

‘Nepal Maoists against banning Maoist outfit in India’


"We did not have any working relation with the Indian Maoists in the past and also we will not establish such links in future," he clarified.


Then what was shitaram yechury doing hobnobing with prachanda??
Don't tell me that he is not maoist

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Postby Rahul M » 29 Jun 2009 01:26

WTF is he talking about ? all maoist websites, both nepali and Indian talk about 'the ultimate need to confront the ultimate tool of "colonialist India", i.e the Indian Army' and the need to coordinate among themselves.

PWG and nepali maoists always had a relation.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Gerard » 29 Jun 2009 02:13

Sledgehammer versus fly swatter
But, surprisingly, and probably for the first time, the CRPF has shown in Lalgarh that it possesses the CGRL, the Carl Gustav Rocket Launcher, of Bofors heritage. The 51mm mortar should ideally fall in the category of light artillery. Never was a police force in India — the CRPF is after all a police force — known to be equipped with such a weapon.
Indeed, the CRPF’s 66 battalion in operation here looks like an infantry battalion of the army from the 1990s. The army’s infantry battalions today are far better equipped and their tactics, too, are different, probably even more time-consuming. But the CRPF is ranged against the Maoists who, by their own admission, have only a militia or, at best, a guerrilla army.

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Postby Rahul Mehta » 29 Jun 2009 10:08

Gerard wrote:Sledgehammer versus fly swatter
But, surprisingly, and probably for the first time, the CRPF has shown in Lalgarh that it possesses the CGRL, the Carl Gustav Rocket Launcher, of Bofors heritage. The 51mm mortar should ideally fall in the category of light artillery. Never was a police force in India — the CRPF is after all a police force — known to be equipped with such a weapon.
Indeed, the CRPF’s 66 battalion in operation here looks like an infantry battalion of the army from the 1990s. The army’s infantry battalions today are far better equipped and their tactics, too, are different, probably even more time-consuming. But the CRPF is ranged against the Maoists who, by their own admission, have only a militia or, at best, a guerrilla army.


More weapons to policemen. No sarcasm, I am real.

I supporting weaponizing policemen to Military levels, if the need be. I am against using Military against Naxals, but sincerely support weaponization of policemen. If SRP and local policemen had these weapons, CRPF would not have to be called. One reason why Naxals are growing is because policemen dont have sophisticated weapons, helicopters etc.

Btw, do US policemen have such weapons?

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Postby Sachin » 29 Jun 2009 10:13

Rahul Mehta wrote:Btw, do US policemen have such weapons?

My understanding is Yes. US has pretty liberal gun laws, so it is natural that policemen also should be equally equipped. From what ever I read, policemen do carry personal weapons (pistol, revolver) with them, and also there are more powerful assault rifles etc. secured safely inside their cars. Specialist teams like SWAT are better trained and armed to the teeth.

Major police departments have helicopters and also some highway police agencies. I don't know whether their pilots etc. are classified as policemen, or contracted as civilians to fly these machines.

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Postby pgbhat » 29 Jun 2009 10:22

Sachin wrote:
Rahul Mehta wrote:Btw, do US policemen have such weapons?

My understanding is Yes. US has pretty liberal gun laws, so it is natural that policemen also should be equally equipped. From what ever I read, policemen do carry personal weapons (pistol, revolver) with them, and also there are more powerful assault rifles etc. secured safely inside their cars. Specialist teams like SWAT are better trained and armed to the teeth.

Major police departments have helicopters and also some highway police agencies. I don't know whether their pilots etc. are classified as policemen, or contracted as civilians to fly these machines.

I have seen AR-15/M-16 used for a drug bust.... and cops did not seem to be part of SWAT.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 29 Jun 2009 23:21

Guerrillas wary of CRPF Cobra strike in jungle lair
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Citi ... 673722.cms

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Postby SRoy » 29 Jun 2009 23:23

Jamal K. Malik wrote:When children is dying for food, father/mother/brother/sister will have energy left to fight.
This is a fight to survive.


Jamal,

The Santhal tribals [EDITED] .... will be deservedly crushed by the paramilitary.

These are the same people that heroically rose against the British and the local Zamindars centuries ago without the crutches of any imported ideology.

Why do they need the red book now? It is their ideology that is the problem, not their movement.

With one stroke of idiocy they [EDITED] have lost all sympathies. Sigh, they'll be reduced to company of the JNU cheer girls.
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Postby Sanjay » 29 Jun 2009 23:54

The armament of police forces in the US is very varied. They seem to have standardized on a semi-automatic pistol as the standard sidearm and each patrol car in metros carries a shotgun as well. A number of police units have procured M-16s for their regular police in response to the North Hollywood shootout (two well armed but untrained robbers held off the police in broad daylight for a long time - I didn't recall any great acts of heroism by the LAPD then).

The CRPF has no equivalent in the US. Neither do the State Armed Police Battalions.

No US police force is trained for counter insurgency duties and their counter-terrorist capabilities against a Mumbai style attack is questionable and against a group like the Maoists their capabilities are nil.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Gerard » 30 Jun 2009 06:03

Circle full, battle half

Force in haste burns fingers
The force that pulled back after coming under fire in the Godamouli forest in Sijua included 10 members of the Cobra, the unit that specialises in combating Maoists.

Caught in a series of explosions and sustained gunfire, the force — made of 10 Cobras and 50 BSF and state troopers — called off the mission for the day. On June 20, a state police team was beaten back at Kadashole. But the group that fell back today did not have jawans of the CRPF, which has more experience in battling the Naxalites.

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Postby Sachin » 30 Jun 2009 09:57

On June 20, a state police team was beaten back at Kadashole. But the group that fell back today did not have jawans of the CRPF, which has more experience in battling the Naxalites.

Looks like the West Bengal police are absolutely clueless and ill trained to fight any major armed insurgencies. CRPF seems to be the champions here. How much is the contribution of the ruling CPI(M) government in making the West Bengal police a bunch of sissies?

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Sanjay » 30 Jun 2009 10:00

Sachin, to be fair, how many State Police forces in India are really capable of COIN warfare ? The Greyhounds in Andhra are fine - but what of the rest of the force ? The UP PAC, the BMP etc - I'm not so sure how they would fare.

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Postby Rahul M » 30 Jun 2009 10:02

How much is the contribution of the ruling CPI(M) government in making the West Bengal police a bunch of sissies?

400 % ! :evil:

they even abolished things like monthly parades and similar stuff on demands from police unions ! :roll:
kolkata police still has some level of competence but WBP is only good for eating, sleeping and bullying.

sanjay saab, WBP is probably the worst of them all.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Sanjay » 30 Jun 2009 10:19

The worst ? Possibly. But remember the Orissa police ? In the late 1990s when Bihar had its Naxal problem out of control, it requested cops from other states. Orissa responded with several companies of the Orissa SAP. They came - 40% without rifles and the others with only 20 rounds each ! Bihar told them to go back home - I mean being rejected by the Bihar Police under Lalu ? Given their performance to date - with the exception of a few special units - I am uncertain as to whether any improvement has been made.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Sachin » 30 Jun 2009 10:33

Sanjay wrote:Sachin, to be fair, how many State Police forces in India are really capable of COIN warfare ?

I was not trying to belittle any specific police force. Today in Kerala, I see that the Police is now getting solid drubbings from every single commie hoodlum. Communist party workers (DYFI,SFI primarily) just barge into police stations and get away with "arrested" commie cadre. Yesterday one lady constable got her hand twisted and broken, and an SI was assaulted. No visible action has been taken so far. The home minister is acting like an ignoramus as usual. The police in most cases have given up all resistance. For these "police station attacks" even proper severe charges are not filed. I just wanted to know if this is the situation in the other socialist republic (West Bengal) as well. A police force so much low on morale, that they have given up even on all aspects of policing. DYFI,SFI may have acted as the state police in WB for some time, but now they find no match for the Maoists. The state police has been ruined any ways. So only hope seems to be to cry for CPMF.

The worst ? Possibly. But remember the Orissa police ? In the late 1990s when Bihar had its Naxal problem out of control, it requested cops from other states

My gut feeling is that the political will, the society's general attitude towards having a crime free and secured life all plays an important role. In many of the naxal infested states, the social indexes have always been at lower levels, the people themselves don't know or have the will power to rise up against criminals. With the people having no great expectations, the police (most of them from the very same society) too take it lightly.

Now when the trouble is on the rise, these areas being part of the Indian Union, CPMF have to be brought in.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Sanjay » 30 Jun 2009 17:55

Sachin, wrt the Naxalites, one of the biggest mistakes hitherto made has been the level of tacit support the Naxals have for their purported human development objectives. The failure of state governments to deal with human development - water, food security, employment and dignity - as opposed to economic development in terms of industry etc - is the biggest problem sapping the will of the people to resist.

Indians are not cowards and have put up popular resistance before - if you study a histoy of Policing in India, one of the things that strikes you is the success of groups such as the Gram Rakshak Dals or their equivalent in various states.

With regards to the situation in Kerala, I wonder what happens now that the CPI is on the decline ?

But again - of the police forces in India which one is properly adapted to the COIN role ?

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Postby arun » 01 Jul 2009 08:01

Quite similar to the Islamist linkages between the Taliban and the Pakistani Armed Forces :wink:

Tarun Vijay in the TOI:

Maoists & Writers' Marxists are ideological comrades

1 Jul 2009, 0440 hrs IST, Tarun

……………….. The fact of the matter is, there is hardly any difference between the Maoists and the Marxists ruling from Writers'. Both are invariably ideological comrades one operating from the jungles and the other enjoying urban amenities. Both have alien heroes and adore Lenin, Stalin and Mao, who were responsible for the killings of millions of people. They all have an extra amount of love and loyalty for the alien powers and have no qualms accepting their support. They have never condemned China for 1962 and still have no clear policy on its claim over Arunachal Pradesh and Aksai Chin. And the poor tribals remain cannon fodder for demonstrations, with half-clad villagers wielding indigenous weapons and singing international for a CPM magazine.

One has to go and see the abject poverty and nothingness in areas adjoining Lalgarh. Jungle, soil, leaves, small huts completely synchronizing with the nature and tribal men and women, semi-clad, working day and night to eke out an existence. You will be amazed, what meticulous design it takes to keep your own people so low? It becomes a vested interest for the Red revolutionaries and their art-paper magazine producers to keep people poor, backward, so that they are always ready to provide the crowd and the boys for mass struggle and revolutionaries zeal while the leaders enjoy Padma's Ilish. And then the usual page 3 clique in metros, would say with an oomph: "Oh, these Marxists are fighting for the poor, like Buddha ji, a very nice man'." If votes were not diverted in this Lok Sabha election to other non-CPM parties, the CPM tally would have come down from 30 MPs to just one under Mr Nice. ……………..

TOI

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Sachin » 01 Jul 2009 09:14

Sanjay wrote:The failure of state governments to deal with human development - water, food security, employment and dignity - as opposed to economic development in terms of industry etc - is the biggest problem sapping the will of the people to resist

I do agree with you here. The state governments missed out on their obligations and the naxalites marched in. The common man, most likely was not in a position to comprehend the true intentions of the naxalites (or whose foot soldiers they were) and backed them up. The state governments in that way have faulted on two counts. One is that they did not take care of the people, plus they also were not keen on maintaining any sort of good police force which can fight armed militants/criminals.

With regards to the situation in Kerala, I wonder what happens now that the CPI is on the decline ?

The CPI in Kerala are a bunch of oldies who are now practically surviving by licking the boots of its big brother CPI(M). The CPI(M) is becoming more like a mafia, with the main interest in running business establishments (and terrorising rivals). So CPI's stand is not going to make any impact on the mafia culture now prevailing in CPI(M).

For the state what is happening is that the other authorities like the judiciary, the police etc. are slowly getting undermined. Their role in a democratic society is slowly getting side lined. Heck! a state minister even questioned the purpose of having a governor :).

I don't see naxalism etc. coming back to Kerala, and things are not as alarming as the situation in West Bengal. What has happened is that the Stalinist mind-set of communists have started slowly coming out in the open.

But again - of the police forces in India which one is properly adapted to the COIN role ?

Perhaps the J&K police (or its SOG) thanks to the Jehadis, and the AP Police Grey hounds who if I am not mistaken pioneered the concept of police commandos in India.

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Postby Rahul Mehta » 01 Jul 2009 10:50

A request to every postor,

Pls provide solutions to the problem you cite. eg you have RIGHTLY whined that policemen in India are weak and some even alleged that all they can do is eat, sleep and beat commons etc. These whines are valid and I agree with them. But pls do mention solutions you propose. I dont insist that you must provide solutions in each and every post, but at least some post should be solution centric than whine-only.

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Sanjay wrote:The worst ? Possibly. But remember the Orissa police ? In the late 1990s when Bihar had its Naxal problem out of control, it requested cops from other states. Orissa responded with several companies of the Orissa SAP. They came - 40% without rifles and the others with only 20 rounds each ! Bihar told them to go back home - I mean being rejected by the Bihar Police under Lalu ? Given their performance to date - with the exception of a few special units - I am uncertain as to whether any improvement has been made.


When handful of terrorists - mere 2 or 3 - were moled in Akshardham Temple. Modi had called NSG for rescue. A few days later in a meeting, I cursed Modi for keeping Gujju policemen so weak that NSG had to be called. At that time, a retired IPS explained to all that the strength (numbers, weapons, training, bullets etc) of policemen in a given state is decided by Centre, not by State. eg if Center has said that only 1000 policemen in Gujarat will have AK-47, CM cant make it 1001. So yes, some state's policemen may be worse than others. And some State HomeMin may be worse than others. But at core, it is defunctness of the Centeral Govt why policemen in India are so toothless and nailless.

And solution lies in enacting procedures by which we citizens can expel/replace useless HomeMin in State as well as Center.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Sanjay » 01 Jul 2009 18:35

Mr. Mehta, with respect, that IPS officer fed you a line that is somewhat misleading.

Say a state puts in a request to arm 4-5 battalions with INSAS or SLRs - the MHA generally approves it.

Furthermore, the Centre has stipulated that each state have a certain number of policemen but few states if any have brought their forces up to full strength.

It is very rare for approvals for new weapons to be rejected and funds have been reasoably lavish so far for new weapons. State governments are very often misusing the funds. Close to 100,000 new rifles have been provided since 2004 alone. This does not include procurements made in the 1990s.

Furthermore, Modi's govt did have a special response unit - dressed in blue (like the RAF but not the RAF) and wearing visored steel helmets (as opposed to the riot helmets of the RAF) and they were deployed at Akshahdhram and armed with SLRs and AKs.

No matter what the Indian police are armed with, few maintain their weapons adequately. That cannot be blamed on the Centre and is something that must be dealt with.

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Postby Tanaji » 03 Jul 2009 18:01

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/ ... rested.htm

Cue the usual suspects....

So , you try to enter an area where prohibitory orders are in force, get arrested and then you complain of police high handedness? Just because you claim you are an "activist" does not entail you special rights...

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Postby Sachin » 06 Jul 2009 11:15

Tanaji wrote:Just because you claim you are an "activist" does not entail you special rights...

Perhaps we should re-draft Sec.144 Cr.PC to read that when it says people should not be entering certain areas "people" means special species like self-declared human rights champions, movie directors etc. and not just "commons/neta/pandu/judiciary" etc :). I liked the reader's comments sections, people are now asking stuff like "where is teests" ;).

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Postby Rahul Mehta » 06 Jul 2009 11:58

Tanaji wrote:http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/03/patkar-tries-to-enter-lalgarh-arrested.htm

Cue the usual suspects....

So , you try to enter an area where prohibitory orders are in force, get arrested and then you complain of police high handedness? Just because you claim you are an "activist" does not entail you special rights...


These activists have zero public support. But they have MNC/Christianist funding, and many newspapers such as ToI/IE who also get huge MNC/Christianist funding give them huge publicity. So many youth who never get chance to actually know commons' priorities and only read English newspapers get attracted towards these NGOs and join them. Thats what keeps them going.

Imposing tax on their income/wealths is one way to weaken them, and thats what we should try.

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Postby bhart » 12 Jul 2009 18:27

Another ambush, this time in Chhattisgarh. The SP of Rajnandangaon district has been killed apparently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8146561.stm

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Postby brihaspati » 12 Jul 2009 20:34

My hunch about the long downward spiral of the "parliamentary Left" appears to be coming true. The CC of CPI(M) has decided to solidly back up Vijayan and chastize Achyutanandan. I had written about my hope that the PB realizes that it is at a critical position. In spite of fear of potential loss of apparent "popularity" and "popular within the party" or "resourceful for the elections" party leaders or cadres or "factions", the party should have taken a firm stand to stand behind characters like A.

A is well-known for his honesty and integrity, especially regarding "finance". Even from a real-politic angle, A's "caste" origins should have been an item of consideration - especially since pampering of the "Abrahamic" is passed off within these Left circles under the excuse of electoral real-politic.

The fact that the PB (under whose cue CC decided so) has chosen V over A, implies the blindness which has engulfed the stunted and self-inflated intellects like Karat or Yechury leading the apparatchiks of the CPI(M), has now taken over its command structure. Or is it the work of implants? The more the command structure can be embroiled in financial honey-smearing, the better it becomes integrated with the overall exsiting rashtryia setup. The better it becomes to control the "Left" for appropriate political moves.

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Postby Pranay » 12 Jul 2009 20:55

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8146561.stm

At least 23 policemen have been killed in an attack by suspected Maoist rebels in eastern India, police say.

It happened in Chhattisgarh state, 90km (56 miles) west of Raipur.

Two officers were killed initially, and a larger force sent to the scene was then attacked, police say. The district police chief is among the dead.

The rebels are fighting for communist rule in a number of Indian states. More than 6,000 people have died during the 20-year insurgency.

Speaking from Raipur, the deputy inspector general of police, Pawan Dev, said a total of 23 bodies had been recovered after the attacks in Rajnandgaon district.

The senior officer who died was named by state government officials as VK Choubey, French news agency AFP reported.


The steady rise in sophistication of the attacks by the naxals and the increasing casualties suffered by the security agencies is very worrying.

The logistical reach of their attacks was evident during the elections. The perception gaining ground is that of the police forces as sitting ducks.

A similar number of soldiers killed in Kashmir would become a national scandal, but such incidents have painfully become commonplace in the naxal attacks, without creating a national outrage.

This is all a lack of proper training and tactics by the state forces and a lack of clarity in tackling the naxals at a political level.

The situation now is similar to the situation of the Punjab Police during the initial phase of the Khalistan movement. The "ultras" ran circles around the cops, the cops had low morale and were perceived as potbellied brutes and a lot of the local politicians were in cahoots with the "ultras". Once the state started assigning efficient and motivated officers in tackling them, the tide started to change.

The sad part in my observation is that not a single state is proactive in equipping and training their forces. They seem to wait till a calamity hits their state before doing anything at all.

As an old cliche goes... A wise person learns from the mistakes of others.

Another malady in the Indian system is to blame the Center for all the faults and lack of vision & leadership on the part of state leadership.

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Postby Rupesh » 12 Jul 2009 22:03

26 policemen killed in separate Maoist attacks in Chhattisgarh

RAIPUR: Twenty-six police personnel, including a Superintendent of Police, were on Sunday killed in two separate attacks by Maoists in Maoists shifting bases from Chhattisgarh to Orissa
The state police said that 24 of its men, including SP V K Choubey, were killed when Maoists ambushed a party led by him while it was on the way to a police camp at Madanwada.

The militants had on Sunday morning killed two police personnel in a separate attack.

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Postby kidoman » 13 Jul 2009 16:06



The Toll has now risen to 36 with 13 Policemen more missing.
What is pathetic is, the amount of media attention it is getting!!
Yesterday i went through all the news channels for getting more info , all i got was a news Ticker flowing in, showing number of causalities and the missing.

Why is our media ignoring it?
Have the areas become so inaccessible ?

Really sad for the nation..
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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Viv Sreenivasan » 13 Jul 2009 19:24

Quite unbelievable really, 6 people die due to collapse of the Delhi Bridge and its national headlines. 36 Policemen killed and another 13 missing and it barely registers on the airwaves. Why? Probably because its in some remote area in Chattisgarh and who cares what goes on there anyways? This head in the sand attitude is going to come back to bite big time.

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Postby RamaY » 13 Jul 2009 19:49

Viv Sreenivasan wrote:Quite unbelievable really, 6 people die due to collapse of the Delhi Bridge and its national headlines. 36 Policemen killed and another 13 missing and it barely registers on the airwaves. Why? Probably because its in some remote area in Chattisgarh and who cares what goes on there anyways? This head in the sand attitude is going to come back to bite big time.


Well said! this Ostrich mentality is everywhere, including on BR. Unfortunate but a certain reality.

It appears to me that the political class and naxals have a gentlemen (sic) agreement. Do not target each other and who cares what happens to common people? In the past decade Naxals used to target politicians and now they changed tactic and are targeting security personnel and social leadership.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby chetak » 13 Jul 2009 20:21

RamaY wrote:
Viv Sreenivasan wrote:Quite unbelievable really, 6 people die due to collapse of the Delhi Bridge and its national headlines. 36 Policemen killed and another 13 missing and it barely registers on the airwaves. Why? Probably because its in some remote area in Chattisgarh and who cares what goes on there anyways? This head in the sand attitude is going to come back to bite big time.


Well said! this Ostrich mentality is everywhere, including on BR. Unfortunate but a certain reality.

It appears to me that the political class and naxals have a gentlemen (sic) agreement. Do not target each other and who cares what happens to common people? In the past decade Naxals used to target politicians and now they changed tactic and are targeting security personnel and social leadership.



The commie press, which is all Indian DDM, loves and romanticizes the naxals. There is overt and covert support for their programs, supported by the same organisations and NGOs that support the ELm as well as the naxals.

"cross" linked to some noble organisations abroad.

just like the ltte!

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby RamaY » 13 Jul 2009 20:24

chetak wrote:...

"cross" linked to some noble organisations abroad.

just like the ltte!


Then it shall receive the same treatment... :evil:

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 14 Jul 2009 01:46

Is it possible to have time series map (sequence in time) of Naxal "activity/violence" state wise, against the ruling regime's political leaning or affiliation? A cursory glance appears to show a connection between "fall of the Congress" in state and increased "Naxalism". But I can be wrong.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby RamaY » 14 Jul 2009 01:59

^^^

I suspect there is a strong correlation but need data to prove my point.

Made this chart to study the Naxal/Maoist problem. The state of AP is a good indicator. But need to get the data for CBN's (TDP) rule...

Anyone with relevant data pls send a mail to ramay.brf at gmail...

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby putnanja » 14 Jul 2009 03:27

During China war, comrades cracked down on VS for saying let’s give blood to jawans

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To blunt the campaign accusing the comrades of being Chinese agents, VS mooted the idea — in a routine weekly party meeting in jail — of donating blood for the jawans, and contributing money from the sale of prison rations saved by inmates to the defence kitty of the government.

O J Joseph, convener of the party’s jail committee and a latter-day member of the Rajya Sabha, rejected the proposal.

In the next meeting, Achuthanandan tried again. He argued hard and lobbied harder, and the meeting ended in a scuffle among the two groups led by Achuthanandan and Joseph.
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The issue did not get dropped, however. In October 1965, after being released from jail, a party worker filed a formal complaint with the leadership about Achuthanandan’s anti-party activities. A probe panel was formed, which found Achuthanandan guilty. In December that year, the Kerala committee ratified the findings of the panel: that Achuthanandan’s approach was anti-communist, and he should be demoted from the central committee to the branch level. Subsequently, Achuthanandan was sent to the Alappuzha district secretariat, where he spent a year.
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Show how rabidly anti-India the communist parties were. And they have maintained that to this day!

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 14 Jul 2009 03:52

Many thanks, RaviBgji,
for reminding me of this episode in A's colourful career. It could be interesting and revealing and perhaps tactically important to highlight how the CP (its various flavours) in India treats its "better" elements. That will actually reveal a mindset not very different from those it accuses of corruption, meanness, and of being "evil".

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby kidoman » 14 Jul 2009 13:44

RamaY wrote:Made this chart to study the Naxal/Maoist problem. The state of AP is a good indicator. But need to get the data for CBN's (TDP) rule...


Nice one Ramay..
My god, it seems that my state has witnessed the sharpest increase in the no of SF's killed!!

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby chetak » 14 Jul 2009 13:58

kidoman wrote:
RamaY wrote:Made this chart to study the Naxal/Maoist problem. The state of AP is a good indicator. But need to get the data for CBN's (TDP) rule...


Nice one Ramay..
My god, it seems that my state has witnessed the sharpest increase in the no of SF's killed!!




The eternal Andhra connection to the maoists will soon get a boost.

India's head and closet maoist, shitaram is manoeuvering desperately to oust karat and take over the cpm. He is like a duck moving in water. Serene outwardly but pedalling furiously underneath. He is openly opposing karat at every turn and making damaging statements on TV.

This will complete the maoist edifice and bring prachanda and the nepali maoists openly into the picture providing the chicoms easy entry into the Indian heartland. :twisted:

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 14 Jul 2009 18:42

K and Y belong to the same faction. Y is from the North, and therefore comes from a "weaker" background compared to the "southern lobby". He cannot fight it out organizationally, and hence will toe the K line. This is simply posturing to gain maxium concessions from the Southern lobby given the recent farce put up by K. The BB (WB-CM) group could have lent some support, but they are preoccupied and prestige gone down a bit.


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