The Red Menace

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby RayC » 07 Oct 2009 11:32

The WB Govt is picking up the peripheral players of the Maoist supporters but is running scared of picking up the 'intellectuals' because of Mamata Bannerjee's threat.

One thing good however is there. These so called 'intellectuals' are no longer yakking and the fear of God has struck these soul. Not a peep! What courage. Brave when the situation is good and scared when things go awry! That much for their commitment and more for their real signature - stay in the limelight as long as one can!


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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Rahul M » 07 Oct 2009 14:50

"This time, the fight will be more long-drawn and more bitter than the one against the British imperialist armies," the document says.

of course, if one remembers the "fight against british imperialist armies" by the communists consisted of informing the british police about the real revolutionaries and earning a pat on the back and a paypacket from their "imperialist" masters.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby arunsrinivasan » 07 Oct 2009 18:23

RamaY wrote:
Pranav wrote:BBC is always careful to give the Maoists sympathetic treatment. See how it avoids any mention of the gruesome beheading: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8291985.stm


So per BBC, Maoists "Arrested" this police inspector and tried him for what before killing (beheading?) him.

Good going! When will our state/central govts wakeup and ban BBC in India for its misrepresentation of facts and glorification of anti-national elements?


If we started banning Media like this, what would the difference be between us and China for instance :)

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Avinash R » 07 Oct 2009 19:42

^Wrong comparison. China bans certain media orgs, correspondents or news-items which it deems a threat to the party,CCP.
While in this case, BBC is found to white-wash the murderous and barbaric deeds of criminals.
Remember the 'gunmen' stories bbc continued to put out during the mumbai terrorist attack. M.j.akbar had given a strong reply to such white-washing by bbc in an editorial.
Biased reporting by bbc constitutes a threat to the lives of indians, this has nothing to do with a particular party or govt. Either bbc stops being a tool for terrorist orgs like LeT by propogating their retarded views or they are legally stripped of their broadcasting rights for being in violation of laws which are in place to prevent dis-information. This should be made clear to them by I&B ministry and by individual indians. Soon after their biased mumbai reporting i asked the cable-wallah to blank out bbc channel and till now no other subscriber has complained on the non-availability of bbc. Others should also ask their cable-wallah to follow suit if they want to counter this biased reporting.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RamaY » 07 Oct 2009 19:55

arunsrinivasan wrote:
RamaY wrote:So per BBC, Maoists "Arrested" this police inspector and tried him for what before killing (beheading?) him.

Good going! When will our state/central govts wakeup and ban BBC in India for its misrepresentation of facts and glorification of anti-national elements?


If we started banning Media like this, what would the difference be between us and China for instance :)


Arun-ji - do you have any other valid reason for not banning BBC, w.r.t this item?

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Abhi_G » 07 Oct 2009 20:41

Rahul M wrote:
"This time, the fight will be more long-drawn and more bitter than the one against the British imperialist armies," the document says.

of course, if one remembers the "fight against british imperialist armies" by the communists consisted of informing the british police about the real revolutionaries and earning a pat on the back and a paypacket from their "imperialist" masters.


Sarila's book on the Great Game mentions two leftist sympathizers who leaked the minutes of the crucial closed door meeting of INC just before the Quit India Movement in 1942 to the brits. This helped the viceroy to round up all the top leaders into jail. The minutes were leaked after the document was trasmitted through Gandhi's shishya Mira Ben. Who were these two people?

Rahul M saar, can you specify some activities of the trecherous leftists that neutralized the revolutionaries? What neutralized Bagha Jatin's plans?

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Rahul M » 07 Oct 2009 21:29

saar ji, my knowledge on this comes from newspaper articles and books I read long back on bengal's agni-yug and later wartime attempts at resurrecting those movements.
according to those one of the reasons why wartime revolutionary movement didn't take off was the information available to CID from communist infiltrators.
I'm sorry the specifics are hazy to me and I don't want to provide faulty info.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 08 Oct 2009 02:19

The key policy in concrete form was outlined by Harry Politt, secretary of the BCP, and Reginald Maxwell, the Home secretary in Viceroy's executive council. Several authors have indicated that the communists in jail appear to have converted to the "People's war" line and hence subordination of anti-imperialist nationalist struggles to the "greater" need for deafeating "fascism" - much earlier than their overground or underground comrades.

There are allegations that local communists came out of jail and began to infiltrate nationalist cells or collaborate with the British to suppress or repress the nationalists. (I have heard plenty of anecdotes from family sources. In our ancestral hometown, people still mentioned a certain family derisively as ****-CID family. So that surviving descendants are known as say grandson of so-and-so-CID. My dad as a child was betrayed by one such as a keeper of "bombs". He managed to ship them off before the house was surrounded. The guy was later found hanging from a deodar tree one fine morning.)

There are similar complaints of support for Partition of India on the grounds that "India was a museum of nationalities" (Stalin's entry to the CC was cleared by Lenin during the underground days, only after he could also show some evidence of "intellectual" accomplishment. This was ironically a work on "The question of Nationalities" aka known as essay on the "nationalities question". At this early stage Stalin supported the Leninist line of right to self-determination of "nationalities". However the policy was only allowed for Finland with a bloody clamping down on Stalins own home region of Georgia, or Ukraine). Apparently for a short while even a "guerrilla" squad was started by the BIA in India with communist recruits.

The references are to be found in Overstreet and Windmiller, Communism In India, 1960, and "Indian Communist Party, Documents 1930-56." ed by V.B.Karnik. Also four articles that ran in a sequence, in Illustrated Weekly of India, Bombay - on the dates 18-24th, 25-31st March, and 1-7, and 8-14 April, 1984.

Rajani. P. Dutt wrote about the "regenerative role of Imperialism" (sec 4, chap 4, India Today, 1949).

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Singha » 08 Oct 2009 19:09

17 policemen killed in Naxal attack in Gadchiroli

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At least 17 policemen have been killed in a Naxal attack in Maharashtra's Gadchiroli district on Thursday. Nearly 100 armed Naxals attacked a police station about a kilometer from Lahiri village police station on Thursday afternoon at around 1140 hrs IST. There were 40 policemen posted at the police station when the attack took place. In the gunbattle that lasted for nearly two hours 17 police personnel were killed.

Gadhchiroli Superintendent of Police Jai Kumar said that the encounter was over

"We are now carrying out relief operations. The encounter started at 11:40 am (1140 hrs IST) and lasted for two hours. The police party is combing the area. We are not sure about the number of the Naxals but the attack suggested that there could have been 100 Naxals," said Jai Kumar.

Two policemen have been seriously injured and taken to a nearby hospital.

Police officials said that all the dead policemen belonged to Maharashtra's C-60 anti-Naxal force.

The anti-Naxal force along with local police had gone to the villages to tale stock of election-related arrangements. While returning from the villages situated in the forests they were ambushed by the Naxals.

The Naxals also ambushed the reinforcements, which were sent after reports of the attack came in.

The ambush took place nearly two kilometers from Lahiri police station in Bhamragad tehsil of Gadchiroli district.

Voting for the Maharashtra Assembly will take place on October 13.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Dmurphy » 08 Oct 2009 20:01

A photo essay on the place where it happened.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article30885.ece

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby sum » 08 Oct 2009 21:33

All the dead were from the "elite" C-60...

Bad times for elite anti-Naxal forces....loads of Greyhounds gunned don at start of year and now nearly 20 C-60 jawans massacred...

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby archan » 08 Oct 2009 21:37

Looks like they are using pen-drive based linux distributions to carry out their propaganda. One must ask them why the need for so much secrecy when you are only a simple, humble writer.... hain?
Are Maoists using pen drive to hoodwink police?
For the uninitiated, many Linux distributions (Ubuntu being the most popular amongst them) can be loaded on to a USB stick. You can save your documents and use the internet etc. It makes your USB stick as a hard drive. Then you unplug your USB drive and you can boot any other computer using it.
What was stupid on their part was, ***that they are in fact stupid***
If anyone is enchanted by this idea and wants to use a USB stick as a permanent hard drive for themselves - beware, prolonged use can kill the USB stick as it is not designed for that much read/write as hard drives are and they are slower. Hence the dawn of SSDs.

sum, what I read was there were some 45 members of the police team and naxals were perhaps 150 or so. So they knew the capability of the police. Are there any numbers of the naxal casualties?

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby sum » 08 Oct 2009 21:40

Strangely, no mention of Naxal figures....would take some time (i guess) since they havent even retrieved the C-60 commandos bodies.

News reports were mentioning that the C-60 team went to rescue a besieged Lahiri police station and chased down the Naxals into deep forests where they were ambushed. :(

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Avinash R » 08 Oct 2009 22:56

archan wrote:Whoopie...edited!

Why give ideas to criminals? Already children are being used as spies by naxals. They will not hesitate to direct all their over-ground activists to follow your idea.
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Reason: whokay, let us not give them ideas, thought the cops perhaps already did, by revealing it to the media.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Hari Seldon » 09 Oct 2009 00:08

The elephant has made up its mind, painfully slowly as usual. Again, it was others that made its decision inevitable.

The entire might and weight of the Indian state, thus far distracted and diverted and reluctant, will now, slowly but surely move against the maoderers. It will fall like a ton of bricks, or so let us hope.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 09 Oct 2009 01:53

I have my doubts about the pachyderm. The Naxalites cannot be wished away as a weak force squashed under the weight of the elephants roll. The fundamental problem here is very similar to that in AFG. What keeps the Maoists supplied? Just as in AFG, these supply routes and support bases appear to be surviving. Will it be possible for GOI to cut off these supply routes? The political and resource costs can be fatal.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ramana » 09 Oct 2009 02:53

Op-Ed in Pioneer,10 Oct., 2009

EDITS | Friday, October 9, 2009 | Email | Print |


Worshipping a false god

Sunanda K Datta-Ray

West Bengal’s attempt to round up non-activist middle class supporters of the Maoist insurgency takes Mr P Chidambaram’s decision to ‘cleanse’ affected areas a step farther. But as Mr Mahendra Kumawat, who retired last month as the Border Security Force’s Director-General, warned recently, the “crackdown-first, development later” strategy will not yield results. The phenomenon of Mr Kobad Ghandy, who was remanded in police custody this week, is a reminder that both must be tried in tandem.

The Unlawful Activities Prevention Act alone cannot exorcise the phenomenon of the 58-year-old Parsi who symbolises the universal tradition (especially strong in India) of upper class idealists rejecting their own kind to join mass movements. The legends of service and sacrifice that marked the swarajist cause are responsible for today’s obsession with austerity. Krishna Hutheesingh described how Motilal Nehru bequeathed Anand Bhavan to the nation and packed away their precious Dresden and Sevres when he joined politics.

Dr Jack Preger, the British doctor who devotes his time to caring for Calcutta’s poor, told me that he repeatedly defied visa regulations only to go to jail. Citing Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, he claimed no one had achieved anything in India without being imprisoned. It was axiomatic that anyone who wanted to serve people had to give up comforts, live rough and court danger.

Some might think it sacrilegious to mention Gandhi in the same breath as Mr Ghandy but despite the latter’s Anglicised spelling (which Feroze Gandhi also affected until he married Indira Nehru) it’s the same name. The Mahatma’s scanty attire and lifestyle would have passed unnoticed if he had been born to them and never known better. They were acclaimed because he abandoned his turban and smart three-piece suits to adopt them. Indians adored the notion of the son of the dewan of a princely state, a British-trained barrister-at-law and member of the Inner Temple in London, calling himself “a farmer and weaver”.

Mr Ghandy’s family, too, boasted antique furniture in Worli Sea Face and an ice cream factory and resort in Mahabaleshwar. His wife Anuradha, a teacher who died earlier this year, is said to have belonged to a Konkani coffee plantation family. Mr Ghandy himself is an old boy of Doon School, Mumbai’s Elphinstone College and, apparently, some institution in London, all of which replicates an established pattern.

Rarely in history does a proletarian leader emerge from the ranks of the proletariat. Sri Aurobindo and Subhas Chandra Bose spurned the ICS. Indrajit Gupta preferred trade unions to encashing his Cambridge Tripos. Svetlana Alliluyeva’s Communist husband, Brajesh Singh, was Raja of Kalakankar. Mr Kanu Sanyal of Naxalbari notoriety is of sturdy middle class stock. So is Dr Binayak Sen, now imprisoned in Chhattisgarh. Ms Brinda Karat’s birth could not be farther removed from hoi-polloi.

This is not to support the methods Mr Ghandy reportedly espoused. As one of the 13 members of the CPI (Maoist) Polit Bureau, he must be held partly responsible for the massacres (as in Bihar’s Khagaria district) that have turned India’s so-called Red Corridor, stretching from the Nepal border to Kerala, truly red. If he also heads the party’s publication division and sub-committee on mass organisations, as the police claim, he is in charge of that most dangerous of revolutionary tools — propaganda.

The Naxalite-Maoist’s second-hand tenets of class warfare, dreams of igniting prairie fires, mobilising the countryside to encircle the cities and creating ‘liberated zones’ were never realisable in India. But the upsurge exposed social and economic abuses, first in Naxalbari and then in Bihar, that deserved far more serious attention even without India’s great power aspirations. The land dispute behind the Khagaria violence underlines Mr Kumawat’s warning that “development must go hand in hand with the fight against Naxalites” because “deprived people in the heartland cannot be expected to wait on their misery until the government is done with its long-haul campaigns.”

Bihar’s Government raised the Naxalite alarm in Arrah district in the mid-seventies. But going there, I found no trace of ideological commitment among Musahar villagers whose only food was sharing the hoards of grain that field mice had secreted and whom landlords did not pay even the minimum statutory wages. I also found prosperous Yadav village leaders demanding that the “forward castes” (a new term for me) should be entitled to own firearms and raise militias.

The law must take its course, despite organisations like the People’s Union for Democratic Rights, the Committee For The Release of Political Prisoners and the People’s Committee against Police Atrocities. But, tragically, the law itself is often illegally enforced in India. Leftist organisations are not alone in being sceptical about the number of political activists said to be killed either in custody or trying to escape. There are accusations that Mr Ghandy was arrested three days before the date the authorities give, tortured during that period of illegal custody and denied the life-saving medicines he needs. The police allegedly passing itself off as the media is a relatively minor transgression and may even indicate surprising ingenuity.

Many among the starry-eyed upper middle class youths from Calcutta’s Presidency College and St Stephens in Delhi who became Naxalites in the sixties later abjured their faith. Many rose to the top of the corporate, administrative or academic worlds. Abroad, Mr Daniel Cohn-Bendit, infamous as Danny the Red, hero of the Paris barricades, is now a respected Green politician. Mr Ghandy is not among these turncoats. He cannot be compared to the ageing hippie who dared not emerge from his room because the world of Flower Power had changed beyond recognition. Nor is he like the six European writers who famously wore the sackcloth and ashes of ideological repentance in The God that Failed. The god he worshipped may have turned out to be false but apparently his faith remains undiminished.

There are reports of the Centre planning a major operation against Maoists in November after the elections in Maharashtra and Haryana when 200 companies of paramilitary forces will be released from poll duty. Several senior Maoist Polit Bureau members are the targets. The effort deserves to succeed but it will not unless it is carried out within the law and is accompanied by a serious attempt to rectify the rural abuses that gave rise to the insurgency in the first place.

-- sunandadr@yahoo.co.in


He is right to a large extent. The state can't use unlawful methods to suppress unlawful people. That breaks the social contract.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Rahul Mehta » 09 Oct 2009 07:11

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I can say "I told you so".

The whole strategy of depending on ONLY a. high tech gazzets b. better guns c. highly trained policemen is flawed.

Because MNCs/Christianists, who are now supporting naxals will give them better gazzets, better arms and naxals have far far more many men to spare and they have advantage of surprise. Even if 10 naxals die for every policeman, naxals will do better. Next, policemen will need air cover by helicopters and next, naxals will get stingers to shoot down the helicopters. Then what? Then GoI will have to touch the feet of MNCs/Christianists and beg them not to give weapons to naxals. And in return, MNCs/Christianists will ask for tons of favors which will ruin whole India. IOW, this police-only approach is going to worsen the situation.

IMO, there is NO alternative except a TRUE Salva-Judum i.e. weaponizing every tribal to teeth. There are 18 cr tribals in India. Say we give guns to all. Then some 100,000 naxals will also get guns (they already have it anyway). So? They will will get outnumbered by non-naxals by 100:1 or 1000:1 and naxals will loose.

The pseudo-salva-judum approach i.e. give weapons to lackeys of BJP, Congress etc will boomrang. Say there are 10000 sheep and 10 tigers who occasionally kill sheep. Say you bring a 10 lions to kill these tigers. Initially, the lions may fight against tigers, but later lions will see that sheep are easier targets then tigers and they will eat sheep. IOW, a man with gun in general picks the weakest targets, not the evil targets. So if a handful of Congress/BJP lackeys have guns, they will not chase Naxals, but instead use their guns to rob, beat and rape hapless Tribals who have no guns to defend themselves. But if all Tribals have guns, no gang can exploit tribals, and if any gang, be Naxals or anyone, tries to exploit tribals, the tribals will hunt them down.

Now there are many "educated" persons with anti-tribal mentality, who claim that tribals will start a random shooting spree when they get guns. This is based on their assumption (which they will never admit) that tribals have 2 bit brains. IMO, such "educated" opinions should be ignored as tribals are as rational as anyone else. And we should start weaponizing every tribal.

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Many folks believe that crushing the "top" of the naxals will kill naxals movement. Well, the REAL top of the naxal movement in India are MNCs and Christianists. And pls tell me -- which Congress, BJP or CPM neta has b1lls to go against MNCs/Christianists? None, not even one. And which IAS, IPS or SCj has b1lls to go against MNCs/Christianists? None, not even one. And the so called "heads" of naxal movement are second in command, not top anymore. And most of these official Naxal heads are in forests, only rarely some persons like Kobad Ghandy, would show up in Delhi. And the people like Kobad do not seem to be in charge of militant wings, they seem more like spokesmen, interface with NGOs or some middlemen between naxals and weapon suppliers. As far as MNC/Christinanists go, persons like Kobad are old and disposable, and his imprisonment or encounter will cause no damage to their naxal militant wings.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Hari Seldon » 09 Oct 2009 07:23

brihaspati wrote:I have my doubts about the pachyderm. The Naxalites cannot be wished away as a weak force squashed under the weight of the elephants roll. The fundamental problem here is very similar to that in AFG. What keeps the Maoists supplied? Just as in AFG, these supply routes and support bases appear to be surviving. Will it be possible for GOI to cut off these supply routes? The political and resource costs can be fatal.


b ji,

Agreed. Its no secret that a well-armed, funded, trained, networked and equipped insurgency deep in a landlocked region can be sustained only if copious help exists within and outside the country.

Think about it, in 1996, when I last visited Nepal, the maopests were rising in 1 remote western distt (Humla). By 2007 they had taken over the country ('cept for Kathmandu valley). Luck? Coincidence? Doubt it.

The haathi driven now by the haath waking up is an allusion to GOI finally resolving internal reluctance, inertia, corruption and obstinacy to decide on a course of action that is explicit about breaking 'em umbilical cords of sustenance.

I also suspect that recent PRC moves and our panicked responses have also contributed somewhere to arriving at an 'action inevitable' consensus within GOI.

Or so I hope.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby RayC » 09 Oct 2009 09:27

There is one practical problem to finding a TRUE Salwa Judum. It is impossible to discern if any Naxal or Naxal sympathisers have infiltrated into the organisation. Such infiltrators can keep a tab on the activities including raids and inform the Naxals or could organise and perpetuate atrocities on the innocent villagers and give the SJ a bad name and even alienate the people. In Dantewada such atrocities have been alleged to have been committed.

I think the SJ is filled with ‘lackeys of the BJP/ Congress’ (as you state), possibly because the Govt in that State trusts its cadre more than the average person as these ‘lackeys’ are wedded to ensure that the Govt survives and Naxals are kept at bay, if not eliminated. It is but natural that one trusts one’s own than any other, as one would trust one’s own family members over one’s neighbours. Even in such circumstances, things may still not go perfect.

Therefore, it is a moot point if there can be any organisation that is perfect.

While a gun in hand is a placebo from a psychological manner of speaking, yet it takes great mental resolve to pull the trigger, even for those who are ‘licensed to kill’, except when attacked. If SJ is to be merely a Village Defence Force, then the Naxals will be able to operate at will beyond the village and the Naxals will not be wiped out. If the SJ (each man in the village armed with a weapon) kills innocents, then again Naxals will have a field day. In rural areas, there is always the danger of revenge motivating many. Therefore, giving a weapon to all would only increase the danger of murders that would be covered up conveniently as eliminating of a Naxal or a Naxal informer.
Actually, no war or insurgency can be won by numbers. It requires sincere individual motivation and tactics. Many a battle has been lost by larger forces to smaller forces because of better leadership and exemplary tactics.

Tribal are as rationale as any other. And, at the same time, as irrational as any other.

I don’t think it would be fair to say that the tribal have a ‘2 bit brain’ because they have produced some fantastic hockey players and it is not easy to play hockey without having an excellent sense of tactics and skills.

The sympathiser of Naxals/ or the ‘have nots’ (for the want of a better expression) need not be MNCs/ ‘Christianites’ (whatever that means). Nawalkha (if that was the name of the person who was vociferously defending the Naxals on a TV debate), Mahasweta Devi, Aparna Sen et al are neither MNC employees nor ‘Christianites’, as far as I know. They have their own place in society, but for some, one may concede that it is fashionable to be rich and show one the hearts bleeds for the poor! It also keeps one in the limelight and I presume it is good massage for the dwindling ego.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Singha » 09 Oct 2009 09:50

the corridors to Nepal and BD have to be closed for good before the Swamp can be drained.

unfortunately this means fencing the Nepal border and guarding it seriously like we do the indo-pak and indo-china.

the naxal arms factories in industrial cities have to be tracked and closed down too. a herculean task given the vast number of small machine tool shops.

high cash rewards have to be announced for informers on such units.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 09 Oct 2009 10:21

The sympathiser of Naxals/ or the ‘have nots’ (for the want of a better expression) need not be MNCs/ ‘Christianites’ (whatever that means). Nawalkha (if that was the name of the person who was vociferously defending the Naxals on a TV debate), Mahasweta Devi, Aparna Sen et al are neither MNC employees nor ‘Christianites’, as far as I know.


Let us put it this way: they are useful idiots for outside powers. The overground supporters get Western awards while the Naxals get air drops (Purulia, anyone?) The useful idiots usually don't know who is playing them.

To put it delicately, Naxal problem cannot be solved until you stop the 2.5 billion dollars pouring into India every year from the "Christianites" of the West. This money dissappears into the churches of exactly the same states which are fighting the Maoists -- Chattisgarh, Vidharbha, Andhra, Jharkhand and Orissa.

This money which comes under the garb of "charity" to Christian NGOs and churches is the financial lifeline of the Indian Maoists. It is amazing no one questions the ultimate destination of this money and where exactly is it being used. There are 4,000 White missionaries in the churches of central India even today. Who allowed them in? How many of them are spooks under the garb of priests, giving military advice to the Maoists?

Rs one thousand crores every month coming from abroad into three or four Indian states is no laughing matter. What else do Indians expect if they refuse to stop this flow from the rabid Western nations (whose governments are nothing but a criminal enterprise of the church)?

Or do you have some other theory about how this massive military-like insurgency is being sustained in the landlocked forests of central India? If you do, let us hear it.
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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Rudradev » 09 Oct 2009 10:34

Recalling the first post of this thread...

The worst possible thing that could happen, is if the Maoists were able to establish a narcotics production/distribution economy in the interior, as their counterparts in Latin America have done.

Once such an economy takes root and sinks in, and the rural "commons" buy into it for lack of any better alternative, all is lost. Junglee Afghanistan is what will exist between Chambal and Calcutta, between Rayalseema and Delhi. Forget about catching up with the Chinese then. We'll be lucky to keep up with the Thais.

That's because the Naxal controlled areas... which already have their own judicial system, constitution, police, etc. only need a real economy trading fungible commodities, to become a fully functional parallel state. Growing opium poppies and producing heroin will give them that.

Once things have reached that point, no amount of "excessive force" will be enough to dislodge the contagion even if our security forces were given carte blanche to deal with the situation. Uribe of Colombia and Garcia-Perez of Peru have been quite helpless to make any long-term gains even with the US keeping the "human rights" NGOs off their backs. Once the infection has set in to the extent of establishing a militia-controlled drug economy, there's really not even that much need for overground service centers to sustain a neo-left insurgency.

The time to take control of the situation with both hands is now, before that happens.

Auld British Empyre methods coupled with the most modern technology, is what it will probably require. Later on we can heal the broken bones and rebuild the charred villages with the utmost compassion. At this moment, our time is running out.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Avinash R » 09 Oct 2009 11:18

>>The worst possible thing that could happen, is if the Maoists were able to establish a narcotics production/distribution economy in the interior, as their counterparts in Latin America have done.

They have already latched on that idea and created an drug empire.

Sell drugs to "urbans" and use that money to enslave "rurals". This is how the criminal maoist mind works.

Bihar's naxal-affected villages grow poppy
Sanjay Singh
Monday, February 25, 2008 2:56 IST
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_bi ... py_1152742

PATNA: The rampant cultivation of opium (poppy seeds) in some villages in naxal-affected Gaya district and near the Indo-Bangladesh border in Kishanganj district of Bihar has baffled the state administration. Interestingly, residents of Simalbari village under Kishanganj district were equally surprised to know that the new crop being grown in their village was opium and its cultivation was an offense liable for prosecution under the narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances (NDPS) act.

According to reports reaching the state police headquarters here, the district magistrate and SP of Gaya raided three naxal-affected villages in Mohanpur block on a tip-off that opium was being grown by some farmers there. The officials found that opium was illegally grown in these villages, although on a small scale. They estimated the total area under illegal cultivation to be around 1.5 acres. The identity of the actual land owners or those growing the illegal crop could not be ascertained as all the male members had absconded from the villagesafter seeing the posse of armed police forces.

DM Jitendra Srivastava asked revenue officials to find out who the actual owners of the land were. Meanwhile, the police have registered a case under the NDPS act. The DM has also sought people's co-operation in detecting opium cultivation in other parts of the district and has promised to keep the identity of informers confidential and also reward them suitably.

It is believed that the drug was being cultivated under the patronage of naxals as the area is considered to be their stronghold. The Kishanganj police also unearthed illegal cultivation of opium on a four-acre plot at Simalbari village. The actual owners of the land confessed before that they had given their land on lease to a person called Mohammed.

Ziaul Haque and Mohd Nazmul are residents of another village along the Indo-Bangladesh border. A tract of land was leased out to them for Rs1,700 through one of their relatives. The land owners and villagers were stunned to learn the crop, which planters said was a new variety of mustard from Assam, was actually opium. When police raided the village of the planters they were found absconding. A case was registered against them.


India: Maoist rebels turn to drugs trade
April 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/200 ... 208444715/

NEW DELHI, April 17 (UPI) -- India says cannabis cultivation and trading is a major source of funds for Maoist rebels in some parts of Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Jharkhand and Orissa states.


Naxal activities funded from narcotic trade in Orissa
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/naxal-activi ... 917-3.html
Jajati Karan / CNN-IBN
October 08, 2009

HEMP FACTOR: The Naxals are raising huge funds from the ganja plantations.

Malkangiri: The Naxals have found another method to raise money to fund their dangerous activities.

CNN-IBN traced the nexus between the narcotic world and Naxals in Orissa's Malkangiri district.

Superintendent of police, Malkangiri Anup Kumar Sahoo said, "The naxals are raising huge funds from the ganja plantations. There is no industry or other activities here for them to extort money. The excise department is ill equipped and we are busy in the operational part, so there is none to stop this trade."

According to the Justice PK Mohanty commission's report on the operational activities of the Orissa drug mafia, ganja (cannabis), which is actively cultivated in over nine Naxal-infested districts of Orissa, is routed through Chhatisgarh and Andhra Pradesh to the rest of the country.

With an acre of hemp plantation fetching ganja worth over Rs 1 crore, Malkangiri district is now pumping hundreds of crores for Naxal violence.

The administration says it doesn't have the resources to tackle this menace.

Excise inspector, Malkangiri Bijay Kumar Mishra said, "I only have nine staff for the entire district. With this manpower it is impossible to control the trade. We are helpless."

So, the illegal trade continues to thrive on government and forest land. The villagers too are not complaining as they find ganja cultivation lucrative.

While the funds generated from this narcotic trade are largely used to spread violence by the Naxals, the unfortunate part is that the state government is yet to realize the potential of this danger.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby RayC » 09 Oct 2009 13:26

sanjaychoudhry wrote:
The sympathiser of Naxals/ or the ‘have nots’ (for the want of a better expression) need not be MNCs/ ‘Christianites’ (whatever that means). Nawalkha (if that was the name of the person who was vociferously defending the Naxals on a TV debate), Mahasweta Devi, Aparna Sen et al are neither MNC employees nor ‘Christianites’, as far as I know.


Let us put it this way: they are useful idiots for outside powers. The overground supporters get Western awards while the Naxals get air drops (Purulia, anyone?) The useful idiots usually don't know who is playing them.

To put it delicately, Naxal problem cannot be solved until you stop the 2.5 billion dollars pouring into India every year from the "Christianites" of the West. This money dissappears into the churches of exactly the same states which are fighting the Maoists -- Chattisgarh, Vidharbha, Andhra, Jharkhand and Orissa.

This money which comes under the garb of "charity" to Christian NGOs and churches is the financial lifeline of the Indian Maoists. It is amazing no one questions the ultimate destination of this money and where exactly is it being used. There are 4,000 White missionaries in the churches of central India even today. Who allowed them in? How many of them are spooks under the garb of priests, giving military advice to the Maoists?

Rs one thousand crores every month coming from abroad into three or four Indian states is no laughing matter. What else do Indians expect if they refuse to stop this flow from the rabid Western nations (whose governments are nothing but a criminal enterprise of the church)?

Or do you have some other theory about how this massive military-like insurgency is being sustained in the landlocked forests of central India? If you do, let us hear it.



To answer your last paragraph first – do I have any other theory about how this massive military like insurgency is being sustained in the land locked forests of Central India?

Frankly, I can guess since I do not possess such intimate detail of funding and nor the experience of Naxals. You appear to have experience and a greater insight. I have had a small stint in Andhra Pradesh (Nizamabad, Adilabad, Karimnagar, Warangal, Rangareddy, Medak and Mehboobnagar). At place a wild goose chase and at places, good results!

The Naxal movement is basically a power hunt and not really a social movement, notwithstanding the socialist flimflam that was or is pandered. Indeed, if it were so, then why target development and schools?

Having said that, I am sure you would be aware that the sal leaf and tendu leaf industry is indeed a very large one and lucrative to the extortionist, and in this case the Naxalites, who are but extortionists par excellence. Maybe this link will help understand the wealth of our forest (Money indeed grows on trees):
http://www.indiastat.com/forestandwildl ... stats.aspx

Govts fall and rise based on the auctions of forest produce in these states or so it is said.

The massive sums of money involved in the tendu business offer opportunities for patronage to both big and petty politicians and forest department officials. In the former case, the money is to be made in the process of negotiating tenders in the disposal of tendu leaves, while in the latter case, power and influence is exercised in selecting the agents who handle the purchasing centres. These agents get advances from the forest department to purchase tendu leaves or sal
seeds and get a commission on the final amount. The purchasing agents are experts at under weighing, wrong entries and sheer blustering, and for them tendu and sal seed purchasing contract can be very rewarding. At the local level then, there is a great deal of jockeying to get the contracts.

http://pmindia.nic.in/nac/communication ... annex3.pdf

While it is an ‘in’ thing to heap all the evils on Christian Church funding, but the issue remains that it is not the sole cause on which one should vent one's ire or bile, without justifying so. Random figures, while appealing at a cursory glance, to avoid being an allegation should also be furnished with positive proof such a link at least, or a report that is available in the public domain.

One really would be surprised that all men of cloth in Christendom are engaged in weapon distribution and waging war against countries where they are citizens of, or have come from outside to proselytise. Rather than wage war or encourage war, it would be better for them to convert people and get them to think in their way and follow their traditions and customs and thereby wipe out indigenous culture, tradition, language and religion! That would be the real and total revolutionary war! One has to only see the success of the Hans to realise how they have converted non Hans to Hans and to their culture, traditions and customs including the peripheral groups of South, SW and Coastal China, even though they are failing with the Tibetans and Uighurs! Thus, ‘harvesting the souls’ as the last Pope so charmingly stated would be the real answer to bring the nations under the western heel. To reinforce, while none in the world can object to a war to snuff out terrorism and Maoist guerrillas, there will be a huge hue and cry if one should prevent one from changing his religion ‘out of choice’. There will be indignation nationally and internationally of human rights ‘abuses’ and so on. Therefore, if anyone wishes to change the structure of Indian society it is better to go the conversion way than encourage terrorism. The payoffs are better.

How is the payoff better? There is one Muslim amongst ever four human beings in the world. Surprising, what? Not really. Check the silent work done by the Tablighi organisation which claims it is a social organisation.
One in four is Muslim, says study
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091009/j ... 593510.jsp

Tablighi Jamaat: Jihad's Stealthy Legions
http://www.meforum.org/686/tablighi-jam ... hy-legions

The Muslims are also waging terror war. How many are converting to Islam that way?

Now, which is the better way?

It is not merely Christian funding that is at the root of the problem(s). Foreign agencies are at work in India and it is not just that it is the Christian funding hard at it.

KGB paid Congress, CPI, media
http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/78398/

An interesting commentary.

Even Krishna Menon’s election was funded by the KGB.

Therefore, in all fairness, one just can’t be partial and heap all the blame on western powers and on men of cloth; no, I am not advocating that they are beyond suspicion, but then one must be equitable in spreading the blame.

Surprising that you failed to blame our good friends the Chinese. It is only Nilotpal Basu’s ilk who absolves China from any blame. The Naxals go by the name Maoist. Now, if Mao the Great Helmsman and his successors have become paragons of virtue that would be most extraordinary. The way they, the Communists of all hues, absolve China from any wrongdoing or skirt the issue, makes me wonder what could be the meaning of ‘fifth columnists'! I am sure they are not so, or are they? While one should be wedded to one’s ideology, but one cannot forsake the safety and integrity of the Nation for ideology. I am sure they are not doing so, if Budhadev Mahashay is an example to go by.

Purulia arms drop was not for Naxals but for Ananda Marg (a very right wing organisation). The Court also concurred on this theory.
http://www.cbi.gov.in/judgements/padc.pdf

Therefore, to heap all errors, omission and failure of the State to control Naxalism to only ‘Christian ogres masquerading as men of cloth’ including the Purulia arms drop just to fortifying your contention, may not be correct, if that was your drift. Forgive me if I have wrongly deduced your contention.

Does the money disappear into the churches of exactly the same states which are fighting the Maoists -- Chattisgarh, Vidharbha, Andhra, Jharkhand and Orissa? I am not too sure if Vidharbha is a State. I thought it to be but a part of one of the richest States of India. Chattisgarh is a BJP controlled State. I find it interesting that in a rich State there can be Naxalism, duly stoked by the Christian Churches or in a State controlled by the BJP and its RSS cadre. Has the self proclaimed nationalist party and a Hinduvta champion been sold to the Christian interests? How come the Christian Churches and their funds are weaponising the Naxal, training them and the BJP govt is in a complicit mode? Does not appear logical!In fact, it defies it!

BTW, the Naxals have also made a strong presence in West Bengal and that is controlled by the Communists. Have they (the WB Communists) also been ‘converted’ to the Church’s ‘nefarious’ schemes?

While I will concede that there are agents of foreign powers in every walk of life, including the Church, yet we must be pragmatic and not merely find scapegoats. Spread the blame like one would spread butter on a toast. It is more appealing that way. Let our apparitions and fears of being swamped not cloud our incisiveness to rationalise.

A powerful India is not in the interest of any global powers or pretenders to the throne like China. Therefore, we will be under attack, overt and overt.

It is time to take stock and gird up our loins (Rahul M no longer lions :rotfl: ) and instead of approaching issues emotionally, work to ensure that forces that wish to break up India are destroyed piecemeal and in detail!

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby AjayKK » 09 Oct 2009 14:51

Maharashtra CM blames Nepal Maoists for Gadchiroli massacre

A day after the red terror struck in Maharashtra, Chief Minister Ashok Chavan blamed the Maoists from Nepal for the killing of 17 policemen in Gadchiroli on Thursday.

Reinforcement was rushed to the area and the paramilitary forces had started combing operations. However top officials denied any intelligence input on the Naxal attack.

Chavan confirmed that additional forces were rushed to the spot to ensure free and fair assembly elections on October 13.


The above report does not carry a quote from the Maharashtra CM, though it is attributed to him.

2 IAF choppers pressed into service in Gadchiroli

With just four days left for the Maharashtra state polls, massive combing operations continued in Gadchiroli district on Friday (October 9), where Naxals brutally killed 20 policemen. In an attempt to come heavily down on the Naxals, two Indian Air Force (IAF) choppers were pressed into action in the Naxal infested area.

However, there MI17 choppers have been called upon not for combat use, but to enhance the search and rescue operations. But, if fired at, the choppers have the option to retaliate.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby brihaspati » 09 Oct 2009 16:22

Anandamarg is a complicated example. It was founded in 1955 in Bihar by a Bengali. But more importantly they have also well-established headquarters abroad. As far as I remember they are situated in Hong Kong (North-East Asia), Manila (South-East Asia), Suva (Australia, Pacific region), New York (North and Central America and the Caribbeans), Georgetown (South America), Berlin (Europe), Qahira (Balkans, West Asia, North Africa), Nairobi (Sub-Saharan Africa). In 1991 Ananda Marga Universal Relief Team received recognition as an NGO by the UNO. In 1996 Supreme Court of India lifted the ban on government employees to be members of Ananda Marga and affirming the legal status of AnandaMarg.

In the arms drop case, the judge stated that there was "no sufficient evidence...to link up the Anandamarg organisation as a whole with regard to the present matter", and that " it will be too much to hold that all the members of Anandamarg were involved in the commission of the offence". It is included in the statement provided by the CBI doc referred to by RayC.

"extreme Right wing" is a label easy to stick on anyone who does not appear to toe the Congress or Leftist current wind direction (a direction that changes so fast that it typically leaves the unfortunate ascribers breathless in trying to catch up). On the other hand it is a well known penomenon that "extremes" do find it convenient from time to time to collaborate against a common enemy. It is not once or twice that the communists have collaborated with "fascists". For that matter they even collaborate with "imperialist bourgeois capitalist fascists". Stalin very coneveniently signed up with Hitler although the actual signing and handshaking was left to the hapless foreign affairs crony so that if problematic the whole thing could be dusted off on these expendable fellows overenthusiasm. It was the Russian Comintern imposed policy that led communists in Asian colonies of the imperial powers to collaborate with colonizing regimes against the nationalists. In fact it is worthwhile perhaps to measure the degree of nationalism of any political group by the amount of flak it draws from the communists. So the arms-drop-Anandamarg line should be taken witha pinch of salt.

The very nature of global organization of the AM, (look at the geostratgeic positions of their international HQ's), which countries actually tolerate them, shows that it goes far beyond any truly "extreme Right wing Hindu" org would ever be allowed to go globally - especially in Christian dominated countries. There are quite effective subtle and not so subtle methods in almost all these countries to stop spreading or establishing of any org that the Church thinks to be a nuisance in theological sense, and not otherwise useful.

The org itself could very well have been infiltrated and resourced by global entities, or secret services of different nations. Just because they claim to have a non-chiristian ethos and theology does not rule out individual members acting on behalf of Christain or foriegn political and military interests. The arms drop case is a typical one. None of these international operators work solo. They are almost inevitably ex-service personnel, or special ops of certain "democratic" and "liberal" nations which are working tirelessly to see "democracy and humanitarian values" established in the whole world. They are in fact quite useful, and perhaps deliberately maintained conduits to carry out operations that can be diplomatically sensitive and therefore need to be "expendable" or "totally deniable".

Some of the AM centres in India therefore could have served as local distribution centres to organize dispersal of arms and ammunition for a variety of disruptive groups, including communist and separatist extremists as well as crime networks.

Not all missionaries who are here to "convert" are thinking of empowering the converted with a gun. But this does not rule out individual Christian missionaries being agents of foreign secret services. Certain denominations with Christianity, can actually combine political aims with missionary activities. The theme of "radical Christianity" does indeed turn up from time to time within established mainstream churches. The Catholic church itself is a prime example, where it had to overtly at least put down the "liberation theology" that developed in many parts of the southern hemisphere. The "liberation theologists" argue that active support to and partcipation in "liberation struggles" against repressive regimes is justified and called for from the basic principles of Christianity to fight against injustice and share in people's "sufferings". Remember that violence is not officially ever completely eschewed in the core gospels - even those which have finally been allowed through scissors and censors at the council of Nicaea. Jesus's own actions at the "temple" against the "money changers" is an example.

It is best to consider this as comprehensive spectrum of different creeds and ideologies coming together to collaborate on aspects that they find mutually convenient and aligned towards their individual aims. Here foreign secret services, theologically motiavted organizations, communists, all come together where they feel they need to eliminate obstructions. This can be from time to time the Indian rashtra itself, and at other points any political grouping that shows signs of being "Indic revivalists". Because both these tendencies obstruct aims of the "converters" and foreign powers. We should not so quickly forget the lessons of colinailism under the Muslims and the British - where early allowance of theologians to be active inside India inevitably proved to be facilitators of imperialists later. Abrahamic proselytizing religions are firmly tied to imperialist ambitions - a fact to be forgotten and overlooked at our own cost.

Yes all the forces mentioned by RayC should be considered together, with the added condition that we should not rule out the possibility that all of them have networked connections to collaborate. To the list above, namely Nepalese Maoists, China, western secret services, EJ's, and domestic Maoists, I would add the Jihadis, TSP, BD and KSA theologians, and international crime and drug networks to the list as potential suspects.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Viv Sreenivasan » 09 Oct 2009 19:08

Wow i cant believe that this wasent posted here before.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 105469.cms

Those mad maoists have murdered 17 cops in MH. This happened a few days ago and i am the first to post about it. This is a sad indictment of the maoist problem in India. A LOT more people are going to die in this struggle. India needs an effective counter strat ASAP. I think heavy use of Special forces backed up with transport and gunship helicopters would be a start.

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Postby sum » 09 Oct 2009 22:21

Errr....not really.

Quite a few posts have been filled about this incident in the "Red Menace thread" since yesterday itself.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 09 Oct 2009 22:34

'Delayed medical attention hurt forces morale'
Nandita Sengupta, TNN 9 October 2009, 09:25pm IST

NEW DELHI: It took at least eight hours for seriously wounded police, injured in Thursday's Naxal attacks in Maharashtra's Gadchiroli, to reach the nearest hospital 200 km away in Nagpur. Denied helicopters, the injured had to be sent by road, travel time from battle spot eight hours.

It's the same story in almost every Naxal attack on security forces. Delayed medical attention, compromised by unavailability of transport for quick rescue, is a serious issue facing security forces, and adversely impact their morale, say senior security officers.

The three-hour-long fierce gunbattle with Maoists took place at a distance of three hours from Gadchiroli district headquarters, which is four hours from Nagpur. As the authorities refused helicopters to airlift the injured -- a regular feature, say senior cops -- the bleeding policemen were first brought to Gadchiroli main town, which took three hours, where they were given preliminary first-aid, police sources in Gadchiroli told TOI on phone. It was at 11 pm that the police packed the four seriously wounded soldiers in two police ambulances, a Mazda and an Omni, and set them off for the 200-km ride to Nagpur, they said. Basic Omni ambulances were locally hired to send off remaining soldiers.

Special anti-naxal force Cobra's assistant commandant Rakesh Kumar Chaurasia was one of the six cops killed in the September 17 Maoist attack in Chattisgarh's Dantewada forests. "If their immediate evacuation could have been arranged, casualties would have been fewer," says a senior officer not wanting to be named. "Helicopters, the nearest medical assistance were all at a distance of 500 km in Raipur, the state capital," he says. Reinforcements came in after 24 hours. His post-mortem report said that Chaurasia died of excessive bleeding, says his childhood friend Rahul Dwivedi, a UP Fisheries inspector.

"Facilities for air evacuation are a must, but that is the problem with state governments. Gadchiroli, for one, has seen three severe Naxal attacks this year alone, and yet the state government hasn't got its act together," says former cop Prakash Singh. Adds a tight-lipped SP Jaya Kumar on phone from Gadchiroli, "We have taken up these issues many times with the higher-ups."

There's been a corresponding rise in Red attacks on police and paramilitary forces in the last few months, alongside the Centre's stated intents to root out Naxal violence. In Gadchiroli alone, 15 policemen died in February this year, 16 in May.

Death of fellow cops in the 'battlefield' does not dampen morale but injured ones succumbing because of delayed attention kills morale. "You send them in, you can't bring them out," says a senior officer. "Morale of the police is in the boots. A policeman is beheaded and 17 killed yesterday, but are there any tears shed for the police? Not one human rights organisation has condemned the killings. Police life is dirt cheap," adds Singh.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 107173.cms

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Postby sum » 09 Oct 2009 22:36

Death of fellow cops in the 'battlefield' does not dampen morale but injured ones succumbing because of delayed attention kills morale. "You send them in, you can't bring them out," says a senior officer. "Morale of the police is in the boots. A policeman is beheaded and 17 killed yesterday, but are there any tears shed for the police? Not one human rights organisation has condemned the killings. Police life is dirt cheap," adds Singh.

:cry: :cry:

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Sanku » 09 Oct 2009 23:19

sum wrote:
Death of fellow cops in the 'battlefield' does not dampen morale but injured ones succumbing because of delayed attention kills morale. "You send them in, you can't bring them out," says a senior officer. "Morale of the police is in the boots. A policeman is beheaded and 17 killed yesterday, but are there any tears shed for the police? Not one human rights organisation has condemned the killings. Police life is dirt cheap," adds Singh.

:cry: :cry:


B******* the Human life frauds, there were 10,000 people for the funeral from so called Maoist Bastion in Gadicholi where the common people are with Maoists (supposedly)

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby abhishekm » 10 Oct 2009 02:09

Viv Sreenivasan wrote:Wow i cant believe that this wasent posted here before.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 105469.cms

Those mad maoists have murdered 17 cops in MH. This happened a few days ago and i am the first to post about it. This is a sad indictment of the maoist problem in India. A LOT more people are going to die in this struggle. India needs an effective counter strat ASAP. I think heavy use of Special forces backed up with transport and gunship helicopters would be a start.



No amount of special forces or helicopter gunships can solve the problem unless the rank and file constable belonging to the state cadre is enthused and motivated to fight the Maoists. The SF troops and heavy equipment will not stay forever but the average policeman will. The key is equipping the police forces and providing enough incentives (financial or otherwise) to wage a war against the Maoists.

See how the morale of the Jharkand police has nosedived following the beheading of the police inspector? This was nothing but a gruesome but very effective psy warfare operation. Policemen unlike soldiers aren't mentally prepared to face death or come back home in a coffin. While I agree that use of the COBRA force, helicopter gunships, etc. will help, I wonder whether this will result in a "withering" of the "mental toughness" of the average cop in Jharkand who will think that the fight against Maoists is best left to special units. The regular police force must be integrated into the anti-Maoist effort and not sidelined. If they are marginalised it will have disastrous consequences in the long run.

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Pranav » 10 Oct 2009 07:49

GADCHIROLI: For 5 hrs, cops kept waiting for copter that was with politician: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 107990.cms

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Singha » 10 Oct 2009 07:57

the fact that a irregular militia led by the wife of the area 'commander' can ambush and overwhelm a fairly strong police force for a matter of hours does not bode well for the police.

the equipment and training of all state police in the region need serious improvements, including replacement with AK47 and AK54 drawn from stocks elsewhere. thats because naxals seem to have better knowledge of police movements and manage to concentrate a 3:1 or better superiority in numbers. hence only full automatic weapons + LMGs can permit outnumbered police forces without much of regular army mobility fighting training to hunker down and beat back attacks.

the anti-naxal dedicated units need training and eqpt upto army SF levels to run loose and untethered in the forests, killing any unit they come across without further ado, or calling in helicopter gunship if particularly large camps is located.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sudhanshu » 10 Oct 2009 08:56

Beheading and killing .. has taken away whatsoever credibility Moist had as a revolutionary force.
It is no more a revolution, at least, it is going in that direction. They will soon stop to exists. I am sure in very near future, MHA will get irritated and Air force will be given go ahead for bombing missions.

Indian moist should learn from Nepalese moist, how their guy even become PM -by laying down arms, through democratic process - not through by threatening state itself.

PS: Don't jump on me, I am not a CPI supporter. But I do respect spirit of any kind of revolution, irrespective if I ideologically support that or not. :)

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Re: The Red Menace

Postby Hari Seldon » 10 Oct 2009 09:40

Things are finally heading towards endgame, seems like.

The maoderers seems to have decided that they are now strong enough to provoke the full armed might of the state and retain a distinct possibility of victory over the state (as in FATA type of agreement wherein the state stays out of self-administered areas).

Wishful thinking on part of the maopests, I'd have said a year ago. Not so sure any longer. The state did coexist for yrs and yrs with vast swathes of territory under de facto maopest control. Sure, Dilli'll never succumb to conceding de jure control to the maopests without first dissolving the union of India but an unspoken agreement (like the one the WB state gubmint seemed to have had for yrs now with the maoderers) can no longer be ruled out, I fear.


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