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India-Australia News and Discussion

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 27 Nov 2017 23:38

The australian position is conflicted.

On the one hand, they have willingly embraced the chinese in terms of economics and the chinese have considerable influence on aussie institutions and on the other hand, the aussies have always fancied themselves as not being any part of the asian setup and identify more with the europeans and are heavily influenced by the americans.

this quad business is entirely a sham. They are not our friends or even well wishers

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby prahaar » 28 Nov 2017 13:55

+101, Australian (and Japanese) vote during ICJ elections is a clear indicator of their priorities. Australia is NATO's aircraft carrier in Asia, they will shoot at the target(s) designated by ANZUS neta.

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby periaswamy » 28 Nov 2017 19:15

As of now, everything is on paper. I think we have to see how this can evolve, but clearly Australia's left-wing parties are beholden to china. Japan has demonstrated that it wants to challenge chinese military hegemony -- the ICJ vote is inconsequential, since the ICJ and the UN are themselves of little consequence.

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby periaswamy » 03 Dec 2017 10:34

Australian Senator warned PLA/CCP linked donor to Australian Labor party that his phone was being tapped by Aussie government

Labour party in Australia appears to be bought and paid for by the CCP/PLA.

"This comes at a time when members and senators are under intense scrutiny over whether they hold dual citizenship. Of the 226 Australians elected at the 2016 federal election, the person whose allegiance to Australia is most in question is Sam Dastyari," Mr Brandis said.

The Mosman meeting occurred more than a month after media reports in early September last year that ASIO's top spy, Duncan Lewis, had warned Labor "that some of their donors had strong links to the Chinese Government".

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby periaswamy » 07 Dec 2017 01:03

Australia fixes election contribution laws

While this reduces chinese money in Australian elections, it does not preclude chinese interests in australia to fund the labour party politicians -- that is the next route the Chinese will explore through the wealthy Chinese expats in Australia. Still does not take away from the possibility of Australia swinging towards china down the line with a labour govt. in charge even as it is part of some security grouping.

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 07 Dec 2017 01:32

chetak wrote:The australian position is conflicted.

On the one hand, they have willingly embraced the chinese in terms of economics and the chinese have considerable influence on aussie institutions and on the other hand, the aussies have always fancied themselves as not being any part of the asian setup and identify more with the europeans and are heavily influenced by the americans.

this quad business is entirely a sham. They are not our friends or even well wishers


+ 108 on this conclusion.

Olaf Caroe in his books had created a map of seven circles of power which is sort of geopolitical groupings way back in 1945.
In that map he puts India and Australia in one of the groups.

Lt. Gen Cawthrone at that time the British Military Intelligence chief, later PAK ISI founder and finally Australia SIS was one of those study circle members.

Ever since then, Australia sees India as a rival and a threat.

So hell will freeze and China will take over Australia but they will always see India as a threat.

If you recall they dropped sonobuoys to get INS Mysore sonar signature while it was returning from a good will visit to Pacific region.

Normally its an act of war but as usual toothless India let them go.
So I don't trust Australia.

I might trust Canada but not Aussies and New Zealand.
Too much bile.

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 07 Dec 2017 10:01

ramana wrote:
chetak wrote:The australian position is conflicted.

On the one hand, they have willingly embraced the chinese in terms of economics and the chinese have considerable influence on aussie institutions and on the other hand, the aussies have always fancied themselves as not being any part of the asian setup and identify more with the europeans and are heavily influenced by the americans.

this quad business is entirely a sham. They are not our friends or even well wishers


+ 108 on this conclusion.

Olaf Caroe in his books had created a map of seven circles of power which is sort of geopolitical groupings way back in 1945.
In that map he puts India and Australia in one of the groups.

Lt. Gen Cawthrone at that time the British Military Intelligence chief, later PAK ISI founder and finally Australia SIS was one of those study circle members.

Ever since then, Australia sees India as a rival and a threat.

So hell will freeze and China will take over Australia but they will always see India as a threat.

If you recall they dropped sonobuoys to get INS Mysore sonar signature while it was returning from a good will visit to Pacific region.

Normally its an act of war but as usual toothless India let them go.
So I don't trust Australia.

I might trust Canada but not Aussies and New Zealand.
Too much bile.


Those and other aussie sonobouys that the aussies dropped to pickup signatures of Indian ships would be conspicuously marked " From australia to russia with love, (through India) :lol:

They have always been a bunch of colonial poseurs.

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Re: India-Australia News and Discussion

Postby Vips » 13 Dec 2017 06:23

India, Australia hold talks on Indo-Pacific dynamics.

India and Australia on Tuesday held their first ever dialogue involving defence and foreign secretaries, to discuss ways to ensure a “free” and “open” Indo-Pacific region, an Indian government statement said.

The India-Australia “2+2” dialogue comes almost exactly a month after officials of the two countries joined their counterparts from Japan and the US for talks also focussed on the Indo-Pacific region against the backdrop of a rising China.

It also comes a day after the Russia-India-China (RIC) meeting in New Delhi to boost collaboration in the Asia-Pacific region, where the three countries agreed to broaden their consultations.

India has a “2+2” dialogue with very few countries—Japan and South Korea being two examples. New Delhi and Washington are slated to hold a “2+2” dialogue between their ministers of foreign affairs and defence and secretaries of state and defence early next year.

According to an Indian foreign ministry statement, foreign secretary S. Jaishankar and defence secretary Sanjay Mitra sat down with their Australian counterparts, secretary of the department of foreign affairs and trade Frances Adamson and secretary of the department of defence Greg Moriarty.

“All aspects of bilateral relations with a focus on strategic and defence relations between the two countries were reviewed,” the statement said.

“India and Australia share warm bilateral relations based on shared democratic values and pluralism. There is a growing convergence of strategic perspectives between the two countries,” it said.

“Both sides agreed that a free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region serves the long-term interests of all countries in the region and of the world at large,” it added.

India and Australia were two members of the four-nation “quad” of major democracies in the Indo-Pacific region —also regarded as the possible nucleus of a probable new security architecture in Asia—that met in Manila last month on the margins of the East Asia Summit. The four countries are expected to come together for naval drills in the near future.

India conducts the Malabar naval exercises with the US and last year it was expanded to include Japan. Australia—which was part of the Malabar exercises in 2007—could rejoin the drill next year.

The exchanges come as the geostrategic term “Indo-Pacific” as opposed to “Asia-Pacific” has been gaining currency, thanks to increased use by US administration officials to refer to a large swathe of sea and land stretching from the US Pacific coast to Australia and beyond to India.

US secretary of state Rex Tillerson made several references to the “Indo-Pacific region” in a speech at a think tank in Washington in October.

And days later, Japanese foreign minister Taro Kono said that Tokyo favoured a dialogue between Japan, the US, India and Australia to boost strategic partnership among these countries. More recently, US President Donald Trump referred to the term several times when he spoke to a group of business representatives from the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) grouping in Da Nang in Vietnam.

China has been warily eyeing the “quadrilateral exchanges” while stating its hope that the group and its actions were not directed against Beijing.


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