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From Textiles and Pharmaceuticals to Healthcare and Education: Here is how the India-Australia trade agreement benefit India
The India Australia Economic Cooperation and Trade Agreement (IndAus ECTA) is the first trade agreement with a developed nation India has signed after more than a decade.
OpIndia Staff, 2 April, 2022

India and Australia signed an economic cooperation and trade agreement on Saturday to ensure barrier free trade in several commodities between the two countries. The agreement was signed by Commerce and Industry Minister Piyush Goyal and Australian Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment Dan Tehan in a virtual ceremony, in the presence of PM Narendra Modi and Australian PM Scott Morrison.
According to Goyal, the agreement will almost double the trade between India and Australia in the next five years, from $27 billion to $45-50 billion. Under the agreement, Australia is offering zero duty access to India for about 96% of exports from the beginning. At present, most of these products attract 4%-5% customs duty in India. Several sectors in India, including textiles and apparel, agricultural and fish products, leather, footwear, furniture, sports goods, jewellery, machinery, electrical goods etc are expected to benefit from this agreement. Here is a brief analysis of how the agreement will be beneficial for Indian economy.
Current bilateral trade
At present Australia is the 17th largest trading partner of India, and India is Australia’s 9th largest trading partner. India-Australia bilateral trade for both merchandise and services was valued at US$ 27.5 billion in 2021. India’s merchandise exports to Australia grew 135% between 2019 and 2021. India’s exports primarily consist largely of finished products, and were valued at US$ 6.9 billion in 2021.
India’s merchandise imports from Australia were valued around US$ 15.1 billion in 2021, consisting largely of raw materials, minerals and intermediate goods. Three-fourths of India’s imports from Australia consist of coal.
While India has a surplus in trade in services with Australia, it has a deficit in merchandise trade, largely due to coal import.
Trade ( US $ Billion) Goods Services Total
India’s Exports to Australia 6.9 3.6 10.5
India’s Imports from Australia 15.1 1.9 17.0
Total 22.0 5.5 27.5
Deficit(-)/Surplus(+) -8.2 +1.7 -6.5
The Agreement
The India Australia Economic Cooperation and Trade Agreement (IndAus ECTA) is the first trade agreement with a developed nation India has signed after more than a decade. According to gove sources, this agreement will be a message for other developed countries agreements such as UK, Canada and EU, with whom India is currently negotiating for FTA. The Indo-Australia agreement is expected to increase bilateral trade from the existing US$ 27.5 billion to US$ 45 billion in 5 years. As a result of the agreement, market share of Indian goods and services in Australia will increase. India’s export is expected to increase from US$ 10.5 billion in 2021 to US$ 20 billion by 2026-27 and will cross US$ 35 billion by 2035.
As both India and Australia are large economies, these is scope for significant enhancement in bilateral trade if both have better access to the other’s markets. At present Indian exports to Australia attract 4-5% import duty, due to which India faces disadvantage compared to other countries having free trade agreements with the country, such as China, Thailand, Vietnam, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia and Japan. The agreement will allow India exports to compete with these countries in Australia.
Moreover, the agreement will also open up the Australian market for products and services not currently exported to the country. Similarly, the IndAus ECTA will enable Indian businesses to procure materials from Australia, providing a good sourcing alternative. The agreement will specifically benefit the Indian pharma sector due to easing of Australian regulatory processes.
The India Australia Economic Cooperation and Trade Agreement is expected to generate around ten lakh jobs in the next 5-7 years, because several labour-intensive sectors are going to benefit from it. On the other hand, it is also expected to enhance employment opportunities for Indians in Australia.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-02/ ... /100961618
'Historic' trade agreement with India signed after decade of negotiations
Posted Fri 1 Apr 2022

Australia and India have signed a major interim free-trade deal hailed as a significant step in diversifying export markets and reducing Australia's economic dependence on China.
"We are opening the biggest door of one of the biggest economies in the world in India," Mr Morrison said ahead of the signing.
The interim Australia-India Economic Cooperation and Trade Agreement was signed in a virtual ceremony by Trade Minister Dan Tehan and his Indian counterpart Piyush Goyal, and witnessed by prime ministers Scott Morrison and Narendra Modi.
"We are very confident that this deal will see our two-way trade, the trade between our nations, double in the coming years," Mr Tehan said at the virtual event.
"This will create a new dawn for our nations."
Mr Goyal celebrated the agreement, saying it was a "natural" partnership.
"India and Australia are natural partners. Like two brothers, both nations supported each other during the COVID-19 pandemic. Our relationship rests on the pillars of trust and reliability," Mr Goyal said.
The trade deal cuts tariffs on a range of Australian exports to India, including coal, lentils, sheepmeat and wool, lobsters and rare earths.
It also includes a phased reduction of tariffs on wine and a host of other agricultural products including avocados, cherries, nuts, blueberries, almonds, oranges, mandarins, pears and strawberries.
"The Indian economy is worth billions and billions and billions all around the world, and there are many countries who want to do more business with India, but it's actually Australia that has been able to secure that in the agreement that we've been able to reach," Mr Morrison said.
The "early harvest" agreement between Australia and India is a comprehensive agreement close to a full free-trade agreement
Missing from the deal are some major exports, such as dairy and chickpeas.
Trade Minister Dan Tehan said future negotiations would look to expand the deal further.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... unions-say
Morrison government’s trade deal with India leaves workers at risk of exploitation, unions say
Daniel Hurst, Foreign affairs and defence correspondent, 5 Apr 2022

Australian unions have raised fears the Morrison government’s trade deal with India will fuel the growth of temporary, employer-sponsored migration – a trend they say leaves workers “highly vulnerable to exploitation”.
The Australian Council of Trade Unions also slammed the failure to include a labour rights chapter in the pre-election agreement, arguing this “could contribute further to a race to the bottom on workers’ rights, wages and conditions”.
The Australian government signed an interim trade agreement with India on Saturday, with most of the initial focus on immediate tariff cuts for Australian exports of lamb, wool and rock lobster. The government said the deal “opens a big door into the world’s fastest-growing major economy”.
But Australia has also offered to provide new access for young people from India to participate in working holidays in Australia, with places set at 1,000 a year. Australia confirmed post-study work rights for Indian graduates in the science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) and information and communications technology (ICT) sectors. Indian students with a bachelor’s degree with first-class honours will be allowed to stay in Australia for three years after graduation, rather than the current two years. The president of the ACTU, Michele O’Neil, responded to the deal by saying unions supported permanent migration. She said the visa system “should support workers with skills that we need moving to Australia long term”. “Instead it has increasingly become a pool of exploitable labour for big business, which lobbies the government to remove protections,” O’Neil said. “The Morrison government continues to sign us up to trade agreements that facilitate the growth of temporary, employer-sponsored migration. These workers are highly vulnerable to exploitation because in many cases their ability to stay in this country is in the hands of their employer.”
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What is Australia gaining with this trade pact? What is India reciprocating with?
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Cyrano wrote:What is Australia gaining with this trade pact? What is India reciprocating with?
Difficult to say. They are supplying a lot to raw materials to India. Perhaps as an alternative to China, they may not want to place all eggs in one basket and be vulnerable to Chinese boycott. But sales to India will be small compared to what they can get from the Lizard. The US may encourage this as in the near future Taiwan issue may heat up.
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Cyrano wrote:What is Australia gaining with this trade pact? What is India reciprocating with?
a market for their raw materials (lithium, rare earths)

https://www.austrade.gov.au/news/public ... -potential
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India-Australia ECTA Trade Deal: "One Of Biggest Economic Doors There Is To Open In The World Today"

On 'Talking Point', Amitabh Mattoo, Professor, CIPOD, SIS, Jawaharlal Nehru University, Honorary Professor, University of Melbourne, Founding Director, Australia India Institute, Ex-Member of India's National Security Advisory Board and Natasha Jha Bhaskar, General Manager, Newland Global Group in discussion with StratNews Global Associate Editor Amitabh P. Revi.
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bharathp wrote:
Cyrano wrote:What is Australia gaining with this trade pact? What is India reciprocating with?
a market for their raw materials (lithium, rare earths)

https://www.austrade.gov.au/news/public ... -potential
Morrisons glib talk about billions and.billions worth of Indian Market... not sure we are going to import that much coal ? .. what happened to Indian coal..some of the largest reserves are in India.!
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Most Indian coal India is high in Ash and moisture. Making it poor for industrial applications. Unless it is turned into coke.

Australia coal is low in Ash content. Making it suitable for major industrial applications.
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Pratyush wrote:Most Indian coal India is high in Ash and moisture. Making it poor for industrial applications. Unless it is turned into coke.

Australia coal is low in Ash content. Making it suitable for major industrial applications.
Indian and imported coal is often mixed, there is a parameter called "coal mixing ratio" that depends on ash and calorific properties.

some rogue states where coal mines have been developed have hostile and BIF NGO bribed govts that have actively disrupted the supplies of coal to the consuming states and they think that they have done a great thing by disrupting the electricity and supply

this is the main reason for the difficulties and disruption in the electricity production supply chain and also the forced imports at a humongous cost
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kit wrote:
bharathp wrote: a market for their raw materials (lithium, rare earths)

https://www.austrade.gov.au/news/public ... -potential
Morrisons glib talk about billions and.billions worth of Indian Market... not sure we are going to import that much coal ? .. what happened to Indian coal..some of the largest reserves are in India.!
just some time ago, these guys were openly hostile to India and now they are ready to swear eternal friendship.

this has got to be a new low, even for the aussies
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Be happy Caroe's evil influence is dead.
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India does need to import metallurgical coal for its steel industries. Indian coal is not good enough for that. Importation of thermal coal for electric generation is really not needed, as we have a huge reserve. The reason why we import thermal coal rather than ramp up production is political. The industry is nationalized, and there are artificial restrictions in place such as land acquisition, environmental clearance etc. Exporting nations love these restrictions. Importing companies love them too, as they can do hera pheri to their heart's content.
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Would it be far fetched to assume Adani has a role in India not expanding its coal production?!.. he is neck deep in his Australian coal mine investments
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Folks Indian coals have less calorific value compared to Aussie coal , Cost of Coal is directly proportional to GCV and the price of coal based power is inversely proportional to GCV. Thus higher the GCV , higher the cost of coal and lower the cost of power . Now blending at the ratio of 12-15 % happening for decades with many of our NTPC run boilers Farakka , Talcher , kahalgaon etc as aggregate design coal quality being achieved through blending .
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https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/worl ... on-islands
White House finally awakens to PRC capture of Solomon Islands
Cleo Paskal, April 16, 2022

Free and fair election could result in a new government that not only abrogates the security deal but switches back to Taiwan. That would be a serious loss of face for Xi Jinping, giving ammunition to his domestic enemies, and could lead to a politically weakened Sogavare being more exposed to prosecution.
Alexandria, VA.: Within days, Kurt Campbell, the US National Security Council Coordinator for the Indo-Pacific, and Daniel Kritenbrink, Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, will visit Solomon Islands, a country of around 700,000 people, in the Southwestern Pacific. It will be one of the highest level American visits to Solomons, since 80 years ago, this August, US Marines landed on Guadalcanal.
This time, the Americans are hoping to dislodge an expansionist Asian power that embedded itself through political warfare, rather than through kinetic warfare. Though the kinetic threat is lurking in the background.
The intensity and urgency of the visit was shaped by the leaking of a draft security agreement between China and Solomon Islands that has the potential to give the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) yet another “base in everything but name”, as they have with Gwadar, and are trying to secure in Sri Lanka, Equatorial Guinea and elsewhere.
Add this to declared bases in Djibouti and the South Sea China—both locations China initially promised not to militarize—and it’s easy to see why there is concern across the Indo-Pacific about the agreement.
Additionally, with Chinese political warfare gains in Papua New Guinea and Timor-Leste, and growing but quiet positioning in Bougainville and New Caledonia, the PLA is essentially putting pieces in place to create its own version of a first island chain to hem in and isolate Quad/Aukus/Five Eyes member Australia.
For the US to succeed in its mission of giving Solomon Islands a path to the future that doesn’t involve it becoming another piece in the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) global game of Go, it helps to learn from what worked in the past, and to understand and avoid previous mistakes.
WHAT WORKS
During the brutal battles in Solomons during World War II, the knowledge, support and sacrifice of Solomon Islanders, who were ready to fight and die for their own sovereignty, was essential. That spirit is still there. Across the country key components of Solomon Islands society have come out against the deal.
To understand why, it helps to think of this not as a security deal between China and Solomon Islands, but between the Chinese Communist Party and the deeply unpopular and corrupt Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare. The provisions in the draft deal for China to provide assistance in “maintaining social order” are seen as Sogavare being able to call on the PLA to suppress anyone who stands in his—or his CCP patron’s—way.
A main target is the country’s most populous province, Malaita. When Sogavare unilaterally switched Solomons from Taiwan to China in 2019, the Government of Malaita and the Malaita High Council of Chiefs issued the Auki Communiqué. In part, it stated the Malaita Provincial Government “strongly resolves to put in place a Moratorium on Business Licenses to new investors connected directly or indirectly with the Chinese Communist Party.”
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australian prime minister morrison concedes defeat in election and also will not remain the leader of the liberal party

will the trade/QUAD deal(s) still stand or will India/australia renegotiate/scrap it/them




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How about #AUKUS deal?
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There is limited options for Australia to be an independent state. One is to always have a sugar daddy or daddies to enable their economy & defense. So far they would take millitary deals from anglo-sphere while digging a mountain to sell to china.

With chinese economy slowing down, they will try to sell that mountain to India & Indonesia while getting subs from anglo-sphere & leasing their land defense.

With Scott, they got over their traditional racism against Indians to a degree. Now the sinophile incumbent sees that the light at the end of tunnel is an Indian economic freight train & plans to cooperate accodingly then all good. Otherwise they can always go the SLanka way
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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/anthony ... ia-2997601
Next Australia Prime Minister Anthony Albanese No Stranger To India
The ties between India and Australia have been on an upswing in the last few years.
All India Press Trust of India, May 21, 2022

New Delhi: Australia's Prime Minister-elect Anthony Albanese is no stranger to India, Australian High Commissioner Barry O'Farrell said after incumbent Scott Morrison conceded defeat in the election on Saturday.
Albanese, one of Australia's longest-serving politicians, led his Labor Party to its first election victory since 2013.
"Australia's Prime Minister-elect @AlboM is no stranger to India having travelled the country as a backpacker in 1991 and led a parliamentary delegation in 2018. During the campaign he committed to deepen India-Australia economic, strategic and people-to-people links," O'Farrell tweeted.
If Albanese travels to Tokyo to attend the upcoming Quad leaders' meeting, then he is set to hold a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The Quad summit is on May 24.
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Albanese, or Albo as he is more commonly called (the Aussie penchant to shorten names and have a nick name for everyone) comes from a working class background. He is the son of a single mum and was brought up in public housing. The chap unlike ScoMo and many of the top Liberals who come from posh or well off backgrounds and many from elite private school backgrounds and suburbs is from a tough working class background.

Albo talks an walks like a common street Aussie and is tough as nails.

Ties with India should continue as before. He is not a fool.

ScoMo was not liked by the female voters for all sorts of reasons,

First Nations (Aboriginal) rights are expected to improve and move ahead under his leadership with a firm commitment to the "Uluru statement" which seeks " stablishment of a First Nations Voice enshrined in the Constitution'. A referendum is required to amend the Australian constitution and very few are successful. More importantly, ~ 30% of the population does not support the Uluru statement - so Albo has his work cut out. Uluru Statement

Under Albo Australia will have - yes - finally an Aboriginal minister at Federal level responsible for Aboriginal affairs in Linda Burney https://www.alp.org.au/linda_burney

The much more interesting part of Albo's win and ScoMo's (Liberal) defeat is the role played by "teal" candidates and independents who routed so called moderate Liberals in traditional Liberal strongholds. (Teal = female candidates from professional backgrounds). The anchor supporter and funder for these Teal candidates is Simon Homes - the son of Australia's first Billionaire. Simon Holmes is the Founder of Climate 200 and provided the seed funding for these Teal candidates. Google him. He seems to have loud mouth and has got into trouble a few time calling people a few nasty things. This chap was initially a part or Joh Frydenburg's (Liberal Treasurer who also lost his seat this time) circle and evicted from an event by Josh when Simon Holmes went against the Liberal party line.

There are reports that Simon Holmes hs interests in Climate change industries and accelerated action of Climate change (which the LIberal's were opposing) could make Simon Holmes a tidy sum of money. The Greens have also upped their vote share this time. All of this points to ta significant portion of Australia's population wanting more action on climate change, gender equality, affordable housing and education, better childcare, less privatisation, more medicare, and accountability in politics. The Green's plan on funding this by higher taxes on big business and Billionaires.It remains to be seen how fiscally viable these policies are and how many are actually achieved.

So it may be, that the Liberal''s were brought down. among other things, by a business house. How Labor won amid the teal wave

Labor is not expected to have an absolute majority (hung parliament) and will need the support of independent's and these "teal"'s to govern. (as of Sunday morning, it seems there is a chance Labor may make it to 76 seats which would mean they can govern in their own right. The reason for this uncertainty is the way preferences flow in the Australian elections and postal votes and pre-poll votes which are yet to be counted). The Greens want quotas for male-female equity in Parliament so it will be a challenging time for Albo.Independents Monique Ryan, Zoe Daniel to push Labor on 2030 emissions target in event of hung parliament. The cross bench size is now formidable.

The MSM is left leaning and couldn't conceal their glee, particularly the women when ScoMo and the Lib's lost. A pattern we have seen in other parts of the world.
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^^ what will labor win do to coal prices?
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Seems like a wokista govt... They tend not to be realists. A few spankings on the bottom will be needed to bring them in line. But who'll deliver them first India or China?
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Atmavik wrote:^^ what will labor win do to coal prices?
We will wait to wait to see if Labour makes it to 76 or its a hung parliament to see what Albo does with alliances.Albo has said pre-poll that he will not be changing his policy on renewables but its politics after all.

Australian elections are for 3 year terms. I would hope India has stitched up forward contracts for Aussie coal supply but with our baboos who knows?

I think the AUKUS deal will continue under Albo. I don't expect any major shift in policy - following the US lead is bipartisan.

Housing affordability and rental has reached a crisis point in Australia - amazing "achievement" for a country blessed with so much land and one of the highest per capita incomes in the world. It's now cheaper or at par for an Aussie to buy an apartment in Europe than Sydney or Melbourne. Negative gearing is one of the contributors as is housing supply. Albo could fix the supply side issues quite easily - fixing negative gearing is a different issue and I doubt Albo has the political b@lls to do it.
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Cyrano wrote:Seems like a wokista govt... They tend not to be realists. A few spankings on the bottom will be needed to bring them in line. But who'll deliver them first India or China?

Some of the newly elected Greens and Teals are behaving like excited teenagers on TV. Hopefully, they are more mature in Parliament.

The Greens seem like undercover Marxists. Using the Green and Climate flag to push Marxist agenda's.

The feeling in society is that under the Liberals (Conservative), an entire generation hasn't been able to buy a house and create wealth, and especially the immigrants who 20 years ago could aspire to and buy a house without being in the top quartile of income earners no longer can even dream of owning their own home = so this cohort has nothing to conserve so why would they vote the Liberals - and therein lies a story.

The sexual assault allegations of Brittany Higgins, a parliamentary staffer and its poor handling by ScoMO did anger a large portion of women and did take its toll.
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The Greens seem like undercover Marxists. Using the Green and Climate flag to push Marxist agenda's.
Any 'collective good' based ideology be it green or Marxist believes in its moral superiority, considers dissidents as 'traitors of humanity' and eliminates them, justifying any means on the march towards their utopic ends. No results need to be demonstrated, just professing common good, usually against an urgently ticking clock (like climate change) for the greens or for some dying poor (like mass starvation, engineered if need be) for the Marxists is enough . I mean, who can argue that saving the planet or the dying is not a noble cause? Since the individual is by default fickle minded, selfish and unreliable (shades of original sin) he must be made subordinate to the collective. Which is represented by a few chosen (=brutal) ones who see nothing wrong in grabbing power for deciding matters for the 'collective good' and voilà ! an unquestionable tyranny is born.

But until that happens, the 'to be tyrants' will need these wokistas and teals to get the majority to trust them completely. Once the power grab starts, these people have no choice but to align and join the grab or get publicity lynched into ignominy.

The same cycle has happened again and again for over a century in various countries but people still fall for it. The Aussies seem to be the latest sheep.
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IMVHO the person to watch for next 3 years is Penny W. And thats not a compliment to her. Thinking out aloud, if there is a leadership spill and Albo is ousted sometime in his term and Penny becomes leader and PM, it will get worse for India. There is every possibility the "mean girls" are in charge.

But Penny Wong is a senator - the upper house. She cannot be the PM unless she is from lower house so the plot thickens
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ramana wrote:How about #AUKUS deal?
The US got a commitment from all Australian parties, barring the Greens I think, to be in agreement for AUKUS before the US agreed to it. Because it is a decades long, indefinite open ended security commitment the US wanted to ensure that all Australian parties across the political spectrum, who could conceivably hold power in Canberra, were comfortable with it. So yes the present Labor party with PM designate Albanese has signed on to AUKUS. And thereby Australian commitment to QUAD will also remain unchanged.
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Two questions to ponder
- Is he a China-pasand guy like Kevin Rudd was as a PM ?
- Is he going to support the FTA between India and Australia ?
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Just a noob pooch
Just like the Britshits and Rawanda treaty
Can we have a treaty with Aussies
All your coal and U238 for our Rohingya and Beedi interlopers plus 125 million dollars
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ldev wrote:... PM designate Albanese has signed on to AUKUS. And thereby Australian commitment to QUAD will also remain unchanged.
How AUKUS and Quad are linked? One is a NATO-like security pact while the other is a working group with no treaty obligations.
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Vayutuvan wrote:How AUKUS and Quad are linked? One is a NATO-like security pact while the other is a working group with no treaty obligations.
AUKUS and Quad are not linked, of course, but I assume what LDev meant was that the new govt. supporting one existing agreement (AUKUS) means that they are also in a mood to support the other (Quad).
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rahulm wrote:Negative gearing is one of the contributors as is housing supply.
Interesting posts you and Cyrano have made about Australia and the wokistas. We'll have to keep the country under close observation for a while.

What is "negative gearing"?
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Roop wrote:What is "negative gearing"?
There is a Wikipedia article on that. Only Australia, NZ, and Canada seem to allow this.
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Roop wrote:... they are also in a mood to support the other (Quad).
Big jump that.
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Vayutuvan wrote:
ldev wrote:... PM designate Albanese has signed on to AUKUS. And thereby Australian commitment to QUAD will also remain unchanged.
How AUKUS and Quad are linked? One is a NATO-like security pact while the other is a working group with no treaty obligations.
The new PM Albanese supports both. I had earlier posted a snapshot from his website. I am posting the excerpt below again for your reference. It is from his website under the section on national security:
Deepening partnerships
Labor will deepen our engagement with our closest neighbours. And we will ensure that the Quadrilateral consultations deliver in our relationships with India, Japan and the United States. We will also support new arrangements, such as AUKUS.
So he supports both the QUAD dialogue as well as AUKUS.

https://anthonyalbanese.com.au/my-plan/ ... security-2

By the way, AUKUS is not a NATO like security pact. It is a technology sharing arrangement. The US and Australia have a separate security alliance ANZUS which includes New Zealand.
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The aussies first hitched their wagon to the japanese markets and rode that for a while until that market slowed, they then switched to the chinese markets and landed themselves in a major soup and a bitter fight because they thought that they were smarter than the hans but sadly for the aussies, they got raped there too and now they have very opportunistically shifted to the Indian markets.

They really have no other place to go, so they have applied a heavy makeup on their racist faces and are out to charm the Hindus out of their money.

and these poor saps do not yet realize that we have business focussed gujaratis as the PM and HM, and as the rest of the world is just beginning to realize that their enemies will not automatically become our enemies and India will not burn her historic bridges on the mere say so of some fraudulently elected geriatric freak or his ideological camp followers.

NATO has been effectively defanged as the amerikis are very reluctant to bankroll it now and so, the member countries are scrambling to shore up their own defences.

Effectively, germany is rearming, as is japan, and that cannot be very good news for much of europe, because they have to keep up too spending mucho dinero in the process.

That leaves a lot less money for the social benefits of the military age !$l@m!c migrants from jehadi countries, leaving them unhappy, resentful, and restive.

Many host govts in europe that were once so very enthusiastic in the earlier days, are most reluctant now, to entertain, feed, house and mollycoddle these jehadi vermin now.
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@ldev

last I heard, ANZUS became AUS, ANZUS - NZ. Did NZ re-join? if so, I missed that news item.
for the time being, benefit of doubt to Albo on the quad.
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X posting since relevant here:
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