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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Mar 2015 19:55

Maybe the West Asia thread needs to be renamed to "West Asia and North Africa".
Anyway,
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/jih ... 69784.html
Tunis: Tunisia said it killed the leader of the jihadists accused of organising the massacre at its national museum, as thousands took to the streets Sunday in a march against extremism.

Authorities said Lokmane Abou Sakhr -- an Algerian who was singled out as the organiser of the museum attack -- was killed along with at least eight others from the notorious Okba Ibn Nafaa Brigade.

Officials had accused Abou Sakhr and his group of organising the attack on the Bardo Museum that left 21 foreign tourists dead, despite a claim of responsibility from the Islamic State group.

Tunisian forces "were able yesterday (Saturday) to kill the most important members of the Okba Ibn Nafaa Brigade including its head Lokmane Abou Sakhr," Prime Minister Habib Essid told reporters.

Interior Ministry spokesman Mohamed Ali Aroui earlier told AFP that security forces had killed "nine terrorists" in an operation in the west-central area of Sidi Aich against Okba Ibn Nafaa.

"We are very pleased... the nine were among the most dangerous terrorists in Tunisia," he said.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 03 Apr 2015 19:19

What we are seeing in Africa is a civil war between Islam and Xianity. In addition there is intra sect civil war in some regions.
On both West and East Africa we have Islamist terrorist groups :Boko Haram and Al Shahbab respectively .
In North Africa we have Al Q, Muslim Brotherhood and other dregs.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby RamaY » 03 Apr 2015 19:36

ramana wrote:What we are seeing in Africa is a civil war between Islam and Xianity. In addition there is intra sect civil war in some regions.
On both West and East Africa we have Islamist terrorist groups :Boko Haram and Al Shahbab respectively .
In North Africa we have Al Q, Muslim Brotherhood and other dregs.


+108 Ramanaji.

How to present this fact to internal and external audience? Do we need a separate thread so we can collect all the evidence on African conflicts starting from Crusades to Current geopolitical interest groups?

Along with this we can bring up (in positive light) the last surviving native Dharmas of Africa and the countries that are built around them. These countries can be natural partners of India. I know RajeshA garu wants India to become Dharmic nation first, but nothing wrong in identifying potential partners around the world.

Please lead us.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 03 Apr 2015 20:33

its quite clear the islamists in africa will not work with India, though they might tactically work with China, because China is generous with arms and does not care particularly so long as they get access to minerals, forests etc.

that leaves a belt of christian nations along the east coast of africa and a few on the west coast like nigeria and ghana.

madagascar too.

I am not sure how viable south africa is as a long term play, though their location is very strategic.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby RamaY » 03 Apr 2015 20:36

GD,

I will start with this maps. Please bear with me with inline images


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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 06 Apr 2015 16:42

http://www.tribune.com.ng/entrepreneurs ... pore-india
Nigeria seeks to learn from Singapore, India for development of small-to-medium enterprises.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 09 Apr 2015 05:45

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 858134.cms
India is considering a proposal from Somalia for a "plea bargain" for 120 pirates, including a few dreaded warlords, who were arrested in 2011 and are facing a trial in Maharashtra, a move that comes shortly after the Narendra Modi government went soft in the case against the Italian marines.

Under the proposed plea bargain agreement, the accused will get to admit their guilt without going through a trial in exchange for lesser punishment.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 19 Apr 2015 04:14

BBC and NPR reporting that Johannesburg is seeing repeat of violence against foreign small business owners by South Africans.

A typical vestige of colonialism is he sense of entitlement among 'sons of soil' against economic migrants.

Colonialism created new urban centers where economy concentrated and after decolonization some of the locals had negligible skills and showed resentment against migrants. Pattern repeats everywhere.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Manny » 19 Apr 2015 05:43

TIME FOR AFRICANS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS TO SAVE THEMSELVES FROM THE MENTAL TYRANNY OF CHRISTIANITY!

http://www.desicontrarian.com/?p=782

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Apr 2015 14:44

record numbers of african migrants are drowning in capsized boats trying to make landfall on italy across the Med.

this week around 400 + 12 (muslims pushed the christians into the sea after a religious quarrel) + 700 today.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Haresh » 19 Apr 2015 21:08

This is an old story but still relevant as it still goes on.

EU subsidies deny Africa's farmers of their livelihood

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 78419.html

If you just google
"EU food dumping in africa" even more comes up.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Dipanker » 19 Apr 2015 21:48

Farmers in EU and US are heavily subsidized yet we hardly hear much against these in nations in the WTO. Most of the time it is the developing nations who are put under pressure through the WTO mechanism.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby vijaykarthik » 20 Apr 2015 13:12

Inspiring article: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32348749

Turning Ethiopia's desert green

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby vijaykarthik » 20 Apr 2015 13:13

I agree. For the sake of easier and better access and information sharing, we should have a West Asia plus Africa thread. That will help far more. Like for eg: where does Libya and Egypt come and so on and so forth!

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2015 23:14

X-Post...
JE Menon wrote:
Singha wrote:http://www.trbimg.com/img-5535cd2c/turbine/la-fg-g-migrants-italy-20150420/1150/1150x647

all the nations in this map barring a couple like kenya, uganda and ghana are failed states. and the viable ones are being attacked by folks like Al-Shabab.


GD, this is a bit of a canard that is out there largely for undiscernible purpose because it really helps no one. As things stand, in sub-Saharan Africa, the states that are (strictly speaking) failed or failing are only a handful - Somalia, Central African Republic, to a lesser extent Mali, and to a still lesser extent South Sudan, and ebola-hit Liberia and Sierra Leone. Other than these if one could name two more African countries in the dire state that requires the label failed or failing, it would be a bit of a surprise.

These are mostly states that are gradually stabilising their polities, gingerly stepping into the confusing and loud mess that is democracy, very gradually deregulating their economies, slowly regaining their cultural confidence, and steadily working their way up the human development chain. It seems to me, though I haven't studied the data, that primary education in many of these countries may not be excellent but foundationally quite strong and available to those who wish to avail. There will be hiccups, and these will be played up (depending on whose colony they used to be) by the viciously misdirecting propaganda instruments that pass (largely) for the mainstream Western media. But these will be temporary and localised in my opinion. The penetration of television has helped a lot, and the influx of both private sector investment from India and government projects backed by China is making small but progressively noticeable difference. Still, this is largely an African generated and African inspired process. It is done through small co-operative projects, village level microfinance, women's initiatives, etc etc.

The sound and fury we hear at the governmental level is the noise of participation, which also involves violence. A bit like India, say, in the 1980s where the local parties are slugging it out on the streets literally. Even Zimbabwe (remember the huge hullabaloo about Robert Mugabe?) is quietly back on track after dollarizing it's currency... Things are not so stark as the trash viewsmedia (BBC/CNN/SKY/FOX and the related print media primarily) would have us believe. At least 5 of these sub-Saharan countries (excluding Nigeria and South Africa) have per capita incomes higher than that of India!

I say all the above from personal observation of about 6 of these countries, and local print media scanning of these and others.

Now, coming to Al Shabab, this group is an instrument for needling and poking, nothing more. They will keep on killing, continually, in East Africa particularly Kenya but they will not be able to affect or change anything very fundamentally. The economy will take a hit, but people will learn to work around terrorism - just as they have done in India. There is also little patience for radical Islam among East African authorities, who can be quite merciless and rightly so. They all recognise that there is a chance for progress, growth and to bring welfare to their people and broadly speaking they all want to achieve it. Is there corruption? Yes. Petty corruption? Yes. Is infrastructure poor? Yes. Is progress slow and decisions glacierly? Yes. Is the informal economy cutting loose? Happily yes. Are people hustling on the ground? Absolutely bloody yes. Are the kids being sent to school? Yes again. Each country has its own pace, and its own pecularities and political proclivities - but these are not failing states.

Don't know enough about Boko Haram to comment, but I suspect nothing of the sort that ISIS is doing will succeed in Nigeria. Steadily violence against this group will result in their bloody suppression. The violent Islamist tendency will persist, but it will not threaten the state in a fundamental way I don't think. However, I will hedge here by saying I've not followed this particular problem closely enough. This is just a semi-informed view.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 24 May 2015 09:15

Nirmala Sitaraman is attending Algiers Trade Fair. Algeria is fourth largest economy in Africa.

Last summit in 2003.
Another UPA wasted decade.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 24 May 2015 13:34

GD my view above has just been lent credibility by the Atlas of Economic Complexity from the Harvard Center for International Development ... Check out the top ten countries for growth until 2023. Six are subsaharan, and 8 are African. India is Number One. I suspect Indias growth in dollar/euro value will be more than all the rest combined, each year.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Prem » 05 Jun 2015 02:01

The African country helping India feed 1.2 billion people
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/opinions/ ... -ethiopia/

A great deal of attention has been paid to the role of the US, the largest investor in land in the world, China and Middle Eastern countries. Much less attention has been given to the role of India. A global land monitoring initiative, Land Matrix, ranks India as one of the top 10 investors in land abroad. It is the biggest investor in land in Ethiopia, with Indian companies accounting for almost 70% the land acquired by foreigners after 2008.Indian land deals in Ethiopia are the result of the strong convergence in the two countries' domestic political-economic policies. Both advocate the privatisation of public assets and increasing reliance on free trade and open markets.India's investment in land has been driven by the need to obviate the effects of spiralling food prices by outsourcing food supply. Ethiopia's decisions are driven by its development policy based on commercialisation of agriculture and reliance on foreign investments.Rough estimates suggest Indian firms have acquired roughly 600 000 hectares of land in Ethiopia. This is more than ten times the size of land acquired by firms in India under the country's special economic zones policy. India is followed closely by Saudi Arabian firms, with 500 000 hectares of land, in Ethiopia.india's ability to feed its 1.22 billion people is under increasing strain. This is due to a rapidly growing population, low agricultural productivity, reductions in farm sizes, declining water tables, increasing control of the seed sector by multi-nationals and a gradual withdrawal since the 1990s of the farm support system.India introduced special economic zones in 2005 hoping it would lead to agricultural development through the consolidation of land holdings. The intention was that this would lead to industrialisation.
But the policy exposed the oldest contradiction of capitalism -- primitive accumulation which includes privatisation of land, the forced expulsion of peasant populations and the conversion of common, collective and state property rights to exclusive property rights.Widespread resistance movements began in many states, stalling some of the biggest zones, most notably in Nandigram. The protests led to the fall of the Left Front state government of West Bengal in 2011 after 34 years in power.
To meet consumption needs the Indian government started encouraging firms to seek land abroad for growing crops. This was driven by two factors: it was struggling to make more land available for investors and the spike in global food price crisis in 2008.The Ethiopian agricultural sector lies at the heart of the government's development strategy. It has set out to attract more foreign investment in large-scale commercial agriculture as outlined in its 1993 policy which was later reformulated in 2005.The policy marked a move towards a more trade-orientated approach, and a desire to attract foreign investors. Over 3.5 million hectares of land has been earmarked for investment by foreign firms.Foreign investors need to tread carefully when acquiring land in Africa. This is best illustrated in the Gambela region of Ethiopia which I visited earlier this year. The area has been the centre of large-scale land acquisitions by Indian as well as other foreign investors.According to the Ethiopian constitution, land is administered by the regional government. However, the federal government's move to govern land investments through a centralized agency called the Agricultural Investment Land Administration Agency has led to discontent among Gambela regional government officials.The concern is that the behaviour of foreign companies is not being managed adequately. There is a strong sense that land deals in Ethiopia have benefited both the foreign investors and domestic private capitalists with close ties to the ruling party.A recent study found that foreign investors are farming less than 8% of the land they have acquired. During my visit I learnt that Karuturi Global Ltd, an Indian firm which has 100 000 hectares of land in Gambela, had only 1 000 hectares under production.. This has led to conflict in the region.Given the political nature of international land deals and the role states play in shaping policy and practice, there must be scrutiny on the role governments play in such deals because of their close alliance with private capital.This is especially so for India. It can ill-afford to be tainted by accusations of complicity in land deals that disadvantage the people of Africa given the role it sees for itself in promoting co-operation among countries in the south to mitigate the effects of skewed power relations with the north.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby vijaykarthik » 12 Jun 2015 07:04

Not exactly India-Africa. But an 'interesting' development. Some 26 African nations have gotten into a FTA amongst them (from Cairo to Cape Town) ... and do y'all know the name for the agreement?

TFTA [Tripartite Free Trade Agreement]

Ishwara.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby nawabs » 23 Jun 2015 21:19

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 777633.cms

Bashir is being invited along with all other 53 leaders of the continent for the mega event on October 29 which the Modi government is hosting as biggest summit in Delhi since 1983 Commonwealth Summit.

India will shortly send an invitation to Bashir to attend the third edition of the India-Africa Summit, officials said.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby panduranghari » 24 Jun 2015 18:46

JE Menon wrote: However, I will hedge here by saying I've not followed this particular problem closely enough. This is just a semi-informed view.


Excellent post saar.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Jul 2015 20:55

http://thestreetjournal.org/2015/07/bre ... rshippers/
A suicide bomb attack on a local branch of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG) in Potiskum, Yobe State, on Sunday, killed no fewer than six persons, including the suicide bomber.
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Potiskum, like many towns in Nigeria’s North-East region, has been the target of suicide bomb attacks that are characteristic of similar attacks by the dreaded Boko Haram insurgents.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Jul 2015 22:26

INVESTIGATION: How children from rich Nigerian families help finance Boko Haram
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/head ... haram.html

The story of these “rich kids” provides a glimpse into how some of the terrorist activities of the Boko Haram group have been financed. Apparently, part of the insurgency group’s past success can be attributed to the contributions these children made to their “cause”.

Ismaila told the icirnigeria.org that there were many of them who were successfully recruited from very influential homes to work for Boko Haram. Many of them consider claims that the insurgency was poverty-driven laughable.

Adegboyega Sam, an army major and one of the officers at the camp, said when Ismaila and his sister were arrested, they had almost an equivalent of N3 million in various currencies, several banks’ ATM cards, four smartphones and three laptops.

“There are many of them here, children of influential Nigerians, some we have been keeping for more than three to four years. We only await instructions from above; ours is to follow orders,” he said.

Confusion

In spite of several hours of interrogation, investigators who have handled the case of these young Nigerians are still a bit confused about how they got conscripted to work for Boko Haram. There are still too many questions unanswered. Why did they leave everything dear to them – family, privileged upbringing and life – without looking back to become terrorists?

The services that Ismaila intended to offer Boko Haram are unclear, even to him. According to a rough transcript of his confessional statement, he told security operatives that he wanted to play a “public-service role” — delivering food, or, perhaps, providing intelligence for the sect; maybe “a combat role”, he said.

Ismaila said he had never held a gun, let alone fire one. As he claimed, his desire was to help Muslims. He wanted to die fighting a holy war.

When asked if he was willing to be used on a suicide mission, Ismaila said: “Yes, if it pleases the Almighty Allah.”

“I did not just run with my sister. An Islamic State had been established, and it is thus obligatory for every able-bodied male and female to fight to keep it. I wanted the comfort of a new khalifah (caliphate),” he said.

Investigations show that there are many like Ismaila who have come to believe in the Boko Haram ideology and have provided support in terms of intelligence, logistic support, food, transportation and so on. Others have directly provided funds to oil the wheel of the deadly insurgency campaign waged by Boko Haram against the Nigerian state and its people.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby arshyam » 06 Jul 2015 02:10

A good overview of India-Africa relations on RS TV (only in Hindi though). My only complaint is the thumbnail image - reinforcing "the Africa is poor onlee" bhestern inspired image.


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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby SwamyG » 16 Jul 2015 06:04

http://www.platts.com/latest-news/oil/l ... s-26149214

India's appetite for West African crude has surged in recent months as one of the world's biggest consumers of oil looks to shift its focus away from the Middle East.

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Postby SwamyG » 16 Jul 2015 06:07

http://www.financialexpress.com/article ... sh/101128/

With bilateral trade between India and Africa targeted to touch $90 billion this year, the government has designated 15 ministers of states (MoSs) as special envoys to travel to 53 African countries to extend Prime minister Narendra Modi's invitation for one of the biggest summits on Africa ever hosted by India.

Diplomatic sources told FE: “This is the biggest diplomatic event Indiahas hosted in three decades.There will be the heads of states of 53 countriesfrom the African continent and the African Union. The last two African summits that took place in New Delhi were represented by just 14 countries from thecontinent.”

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ICC calls for Bashir’s arrest, Delhi says ‘no’ - Suhasini Haider, The Hindu
The India-Africa summit to be held in Delhi in October 26-29 is expected to be a grand affair, with a record 52 of 54 African countries confirming their acceptance. However there may be some anxious moments as the International Criminal Court has called for India to arrest one of the guests expected to attend, Sudan President Omar al-Bashir, who is wanted for war crimes by the ICC.

“By arresting and surrendering ICC suspects, India can contribute to the important goal of ending impunity for the world’s worst crimes,” the Office of Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda told The Hindu in a written statement. “It is important to note that United Nations Security Council resolution 1593 urged all States, including non-States Parties to the ICC as well regional and other international organisations, to cooperate fully with the ICC. This includes arresting Mr. Al-Bashir,” the Prosecutor said.

However, India is not a signatory to the ICC, which is an independent international court not part of the U.N. system
which has 123 member States. Officials told The Hindu there was no question of regarding the ICC’s plea, as the U.N. Security Council resolution wasn’t internationally binding on non-member States.

“We will be compliant with our statutory international legal obligations,” official MEA spokesperson Vikas Swarup said. Mr. Bashir was invited personally by Minister of State for External Affairs V.K. Singh, who travelled to Khartoum on September 19.

President Omar al-Bashir has been indicted by the ICC for war crimes and genocide during the Darfur conflict of 2003 in which 300,000 people were killed. Among the charges against Mr. Bashir is the funding of the pro-Arab Islamist militia, Janjaweed, accused of carrying out systematic ethnic cleansing of black non-Arab African groups who took up arms against the Bashir government.

In June 2015, the South African government faced deep embarrassment as a Pretoria court issued an order to bar Mr. Bashir from leaving the country and then ordered his arrest, when he landed in Johannesburg to attend an African Union summit.

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Postby panduranghari » 22 Oct 2015 12:33

I had a thought yesterday. Is the piracy off the coast of Somalia and now into the Indian ocean a western designed plan? It forces the littoral states to be a part of the Combined Task Force 151. China has recently agreed to be a part of it. India has steadfastly decided not to be and do it on its own. Is this an American policy to make Indian ocean a unstable spot and force India into an alliance with US?

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 27 Oct 2015 17:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z9wdJBAfto

India-Africa Summit - DD Report leading up to it...

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby RajeshA » 28 Oct 2015 17:35

I would urge all to retweet Tweets of #IAFS #IAFS2015 #IndiaAfricaSummit @indiaafrica2015 etc.

This is the biggest international show in India

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Bade » 29 Oct 2015 00:50

India woos Africa with aid, technology as China looms large
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html
Indian officials say trade has grown 20 times since 2000, and doubled in the last five years to reach nearly $72 billion in 2014.

India and many African countries “are the most rapidly growing developing economies in the world,” said External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj.

India’s relations with Africa are not just centered on business, officials emphasize. New Delhi has also provided millions of dollars in educational and humanitarian aid.

In the last five years, 25,000 African students have received scholarships to study in India. A major chunk of India’s development aid has been spent on setting up technical institutes, educational facilities, hospitals and training programs across Africa.

Indian credit has topped $7.4 billion and has led to the creation of about 137 projects in 41 countries, ministry official Navtej Sarna said.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby pattnayak » 29 Oct 2015 03:10

Does anyone know if the RM will meet any of the African leaders? Especially the ones who are fighting Islamic Terrorism

In addition to offering training at schools like CIJW, I think this is the perfect time to showcase to them systems which could help in fighting the menace. I am especially thinking about Rudra as an immediate solution and LCH as a long term one.

Even Tejas in its current form would be perfect to bomb some of those Boko Haram-is. But I guess US could be a roadblock for that one

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Nick_S » 29 Oct 2015 14:08

Narendra Modi: India pledges $600m to help Africa
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34664626

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 29 Oct 2015 17:16

African peacekeepers will be trained in India, and in Africa.

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Postby rsingh » 29 Oct 2015 17:20

Nick_S wrote:Narendra Modi: India pledges $600m to help Africa
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34664626


Not enough. Is it a joke. You want to "get" African countries for peanuts? I am sure they have spent more (all together) then the amount pledge........on preparations and transport for their Indian Visit.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 29 Oct 2015 17:22

The actual pledge is $10 bn + another $600m - i.e. around 18 times more than the state-sponsored BBC has reported.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby Agnimitra » 30 Oct 2015 10:07

50,000 scholarships per year to be offered to African exchange students. This will go a long way in cultivating the next generation, provided they are not mistreated.

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Re: India-Africa News and Discussion

Postby JE Menon » 30 Oct 2015 22:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTrWNOfQGOo
Germans getting into the act of criticising racism against Africans in India. Not a problem in itself, but the timing is very interesting indeed.


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