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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby arun » 03 May 2015 11:14

AFP reports that Nepal Customs are detaining earth-quake aid filled trucks originating in India at their borders.

Excuse that the road border crossing points from India are close to Nepal’s border areas with the People’s Republic of China cannot be used:

Planes loaded with relief supplies from around the world were pouring into landlocked Nepal, but there have been numerous reports of many getting stuck at Kathmandu's small international airport, and even customs officials stopping trucks filled with aid from crossing into the country from neighbouring India.


From here:

Red tape delays Nepal quake disaster aid

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 03 May 2015 11:29

'भारतीय सहयोगमा शंका नगर्नोस्'



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काठमाडौ, वैशाख २० -

रणजीत राय, भारतीय राजदूत

विनाशकारी भूकम्पको समयमा भारतले अन्य कुनै कुरा नसोची एउटा दायरामा बसेर सीधा सहयोगी हात मात्र अघि बढाएको छ । यस्तो अवस्थामा एक छिमेकले अर्कोलाई गर्नसक्ने सबै सहयोग गर्छ । यसमा शंका गर्न मिल्दैन । त्यो हाम्रो कामबाट देखिएको हुनुपर्ने हो । नेपाली सेनासँगको सहकार्यमा हामीले धेरै काम गरेका छौं । उद्धारमा खटिएका छौं । भारतबाट उच्च तहका सफल टोलीहरू पनि आएका छन् । भारतले तत्काल उद्धार, बस्ने व्यवस्था र खानेकुरा उपलब्ध गराउने देखि घाइतेको उपचारमा समेत खटिएको छ । उद्धारमा एक हजारभन्दा बढी भारतीय जनशक्ति खटिएको छ । यहाँ दूतावासमा रहेकाहरू पनि सक्रिय रूपमा उद्धारकार्यमा लागेका छन् ।

चौबीसै घण्टा उद्धार र राहतमा लागेका छौं । हामीले को नेपाली को भारतीय भनेर सहयोग गरेका छैनौं । सबैलाई एक स्थानमा राखेर सहयोगी भावनाले काम गरेका छौं ।

केन्द्रीय सरकारले मात्र होइन प्रान्तीय सरकारले पनि सहयोग गरिरहेको अवस्था छ । आज मात्र पश्चिम बंगालकी मुख्यमन्त्री ममता बनर्जीबाट एक लाख तथा त्रिपाल काँकडभिट्टाबाट काठमाडौं आउँदै गरेको छ ।

यसमा नेपाल सरकारको तदारुकता पनि उत्तिकै छ । सरकारले आफ्नो तर्फबाट गर्न सक्ने सबै उपाय अवलम्बन गरेको छ । नेपाली सेनाको सक्रियताको जति प्रशंसा गरे पनि पुग्दैन । सरकारले आएका सामान भन्सार छुटाउन र व्यवस्थापनमा देखाएको तत्परता प्रशंसनीय छ । कसैले सोच्दै नसोचेको घटना भएपछि त्यो समाधानमा केही अलमल हुनु स्वभाविक हो । यसलाई आलोचनाको पाटो बनाउन हुन्न । अहिले काठमाडौंमा विदेश मन्त्रालयका जेएस नर्थ अभय ठाकुरको नेतृत्वमा व्यवस्थापन कार्य भइरहेको छ ।

दूतावास उत्तिकै सक्रिय रूपमा लागेको छ । दूतावासले अन्य सबै कामहरू रोकेर राहत, उद्धारमा लागेको अवस्था हो । सरकारको संयोजनमा जतिसक्दो धेरै स्थानमा हामी पुगेका छौं ।

भारतले नेपालमा कुनै राजनीति गर्न चाहँदैन र भएको पनि छैन । यस्तो समयमा यस्ता विषय बाहिर आउँदा काम गर्नेहरूको हौसलामा आँच आउने हुनाले यस्ता अफवाह बाहिर नआए राम्रो हुन्छ । यदि कतै चित्त नबुझेको अवस्थामा सीधा भन्दा वा सूचनालाई एकपटक भेरिफाइ गर्नसमेत आग्रह गर्छु । यस्तो अवस्थामा शंका गरेर जुधेर विरोध गरेर बस्ने होइन कतै न कतै उद्धार राहतमा लाग्ने हो ।

भारत मात्र होइन अन्य मित्र मुलुकले समेत नेपाललाई सहयोग गरिरहेका छन् । यसको संयोजन कम चुनौतीपूर्ण भने छैन । तर, पनि सरकारले यसमा सफलता नै पाएको मान्नुपर्छ । अहिलेको अवस्था पुन:स्थापनाभन्दा पनि तत्काल राहत र उद्धार नै हो । अब बिस्तारै पुन:स्थापनामा जाने हो । त्यसका लागि पनि भारतले सघाउनेमा दुईमत छैन । भारतका प्रधानमन्त्री नरेन्द्र मोदीजीबाटै यति धेरै चासोका साथ यहाँ कुनै कमी– कमजोरी नहोस् भन्दै सहयोग गर्न आग्रह गरेका छन् । व्यक्तिगत तर्फबाट पनि भारतको सहयोगहरू आइरहेको अवस्था छ । यसबाट पनि हाम्रो दुईपक्षीय सम्बन्ध उजागर हुन्छ । ट्रमा सेन्टरले पूर्ण रूपमा सेवा दिएको छ । त्यसका लागि भारतबाट विशिष्ट ३१ चिकित्सक त्यहाँ रहेका छन् । त्यसको साथै अस्थायी रूपमा अन्य दुई स्थानमा मेडिकल सेन्टर राखेर काम गरेका छौं । सबै उत्तिकै सक्रिय छन् । नेपाल सरकारले आफूले चाहेको जति माग्न सक्छ । राहत हामीसँग उपलब्ध भएजति दिइरहेका छाैं । सबै प्रभावित क्षेत्रमा हाम्रो उद्धार टोली पुगेका छन् । हिमालयन बेसक्याम्पदेखि अन्य क्षेत्रसम्म पुगेका छन् । विशिष्ट टोलीले काम गरेका छन् । उद्धार सहयोगमा आएका सबैसँग धैर्य राखेर सहानुभूति दिएर काम अघि बढाउन आवश्यक छ । यहाँ धेरै मानिस अहिले पालमा बसेकाले स्वास्थ्यमा ध्यान दिनुपर्ने हुन्छ । यस्तो अवस्थामा सबैको ध्यान जान पनि आवश्यक छ । महामारी फैलिनबाट पनि बचाउन आवश्यक छ । त्यसमा सबै सजक हुनुपर्छ । मानवीयतामा राजनीतिकरण गर्न हुँदैन ।

(राजदूत रायसँग चन्द्रशेखर अधिकारीले गरेको कुराकानीमा आधारित)

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 03 May 2015 12:37

the nepali decision makers, the opinion makers, the commies and the political parties dislike India and Indians.

some of their concerns are legitimate and many others do not even warrant a discussion because everyone in the region sees India as a soft state and wants to grab anything and everything from us in a sort of reverse gujral doctrine if you will.

I personally think that the expected ROI on our disaster management efforts that has been done on such an unprecedented scale will not be forthcoming mainly because we do not know how to manage the local and international press.

That said, the NaMo govt may not really be too worried about credit as much as the god given opportunity to hone our own national disaster management skills and methodology including coordination, communications and domain knowledge.

The use of various agencies including the RSS is like a war game done on the battlefield but without the consequences and political fallout. Civil and military coordination without (phoren) NGO interference and meddling like during the NAC dominated days is a new experience.

Also it puts the various ego inflated NGO's in their rightful place, which is the sidelines. :)

Rest assured that the NDRF, RSS and Armed forces will conduct debriefs lasting months about lessons learned and future outlook of the disaster management domain.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby prahaar » 03 May 2015 12:48

Chetakji, even though any hard tangible ROI may not accrue, people on the ground who were lifted, know who did it. The people who were involved, know why they did it. And the overarching humanitarian aspect is always present.

If UK CM and Congress reaction to Gayatri-Parivar/Modi/etal during Uttarakhand crisis, no surprise if a large section of Nepalese decision makers become jittery. If the state collapses, they have everything to loose. Improved jobs/material progress in UP/Bihar/WB (whenever it happens) is going to be a Tsunami for them.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 03 May 2015 12:55

prahaar wrote:Chetakji, even though any hard tangible ROI may not accrue, people on the ground who were lifted, know who did it. The people who were involved, know why they did it. And the overarching humanitarian aspect is always present.

If UK CM and Congress reaction to Gayatri-Parivar/Modi/etal during Uttarakhand crisis, no surprise if a large section of Nepalese decision makers become jittery. If the state collapses, they have everything to loose. Improved jobs/material progress in UP/Bihar/WB (whenever it happens) is going to be a Tsunami for them.


This sort of ROI is always mostly intangible and increased medium term goodwill maybe the only positive result.

Poor NaMo still winds up in the same position. Folks objected to his and Gujarat govt's help during the floods and now the same thing seems to be happening to NaMo and the GOI's help.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 03 May 2015 14:06

Nepal Earthquake May Trigger a New Wave of Migrant Workers

One of the biggest aftershocks from Nepal’s deadly earthquake could hit the impoverished Himalayan nation in the coming months as more of its struggling citizens leave home to find work abroad.

The country is already highly dependent on money sent home by its millions of migrant workers around the globe. Now as the fallout of the 7.8-magnitude earthquake makes life tougher, more people are likely to leave their families and head to countries with more opportunities, experts said.

“The earthquake will likely cause greater migration,” said Manuel Orozco, senior fellow for migration, remittances and development at the Inter-American Dialogue, a think tank in Washington. “Recent natural disasters worldwide have shown that people move out.”
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Remittances into Indonesia, for example, surged after the earthquake and tsunami in 2004 and have been higher ever since.

The World Bank estimates that close to 2 million Nepalis work abroad, though most migration experts say the number is probably twice as high, since so many Nepalese workers go abroad without formal documentation.

also jump, said Dilip Ratha, a lead economist at the World Bank and a manager of its migration and remittances development prospects group.

The movement of laborers away from home will leave fewer people to rebuild damaged villages and small towns, which will increasingly be populated by just senior citizens and children.

“The physical absence of the most able-bodied people at a time like this will affect reconstruction activity,” said Mr. Ratha. However, he said “the money they would be sending home from outside will more than make up for that loss.”

Remittances are a larger and better-used source of development funds than official development aid, so countries that really want to help Nepal should worry less about sending money and rescue teams and more about easing their immigration laws to allow more Nepalese workers, said Mr. Ratha.

Meanwhile, International banks and money transfer companies should help by waiving the high fees people have to pay to send money to Nepal. “Remittances were already a lifeline for Nepal and now they will become even more important,” said Mr. Ratha

MIGRANT WORKERS AND THEIR FAMILIES
Migration is not a new phenomenon. People have always migrated in search of better opportunities. Migration to India for work has a long history in Nepal, while labor migration to other countries began in the 1990s with the adoption of liberal economic policies. It is difficult to put an exact figure on the number of Nepali migrants travelling to India for work. The World Bank estimates that 867,000 Nepalis are working in India, while others have estimated that by 2010 the number of labour migrants in India was as high as 1.7 million.


Since there is no documentation needed for travel to-fro India and Nepal the estimates could be way off . Most of the Nepali workers are in informal and semi formal category requiring little skill as most of them have none. With possibility of new Migration wave, I am sure China is not going to welcome them. If India and Nepal start insisting on Border control and make it difficult for ordinary people to travel to Nepal or India , it is going to hurt Nepal more than India. Even e-visa would be difficult as most of the migrant labour force may not have passport. Trade with Nepal on controlled border will make it difficult for Nepal as most of the supply comes through India.China can only hope to subsidise if billions of dollars are pumped and given the nature of border asymmetrical disadvantage to China can not disappear even of they dig tunnels after tunnels through Mt Everest. And to think that China can outweigh the advantage is a fools dream of chipanda politicians of Nepal and leftist in India. The bond runs deep and strong despite a few in educated class resenting it. folks in Nepal appreciate it and that is what has rattled leftists and chipanda politicians in Nepal. Next election will be decided by whom modi supports.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 03 May 2015 14:20

chetak wrote:the nepali decision makers, the opinion makers, the commies and the political parties dislike India and Indians.


They constitute 0.00001% of Nepal's population. Except Nepali Army all others can not have much standing after this quake. Nepal Army is always in favour of India. They have been trying balancing act given the sensitive nature of utterances. Maoists tried to compromise NA by including a settlement clause to absorb ex-maoist insurgents into NA. A plan hatched by Mafia queen of India with active support from Prachanda and Madhav Kumar nepal etc , She wanted to solve India's nationalist "tumour" by following the same template of incorporating maoists in the Indian Army as settlement citing success of Nepal. But alas it failed, backfired.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby member_26011 » 03 May 2015 17:25

gOI should invite Indian social organizations to apply for funding that deliver service, grants and loans to Nepalis to rebuild their homes, cities and temples better than before, and enable counseling.

It should allow our army to reach out in welfare And also provide a relief yojna that employs the large number of retirees there in disseminating it.

It should offer quick registration and "freedom of employment" in India for every legal Nepali who wishes to earn an income to help rebuild. It should request Indian companies and employers to participate in a job exchange, or some similar mechanism to match job seekers with jobs.

Every reporter in Nepal representing India should be able to help provide information to the people they reach in terms of aid, grant, loan and employment opportunities.

It should offer aid to the Nepal govt. and insist on rapid clearance. If the Nepal govt continues to insult India, India can and should reach out to civil society without them and help sort them out later.

My paisa.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 03 May 2015 17:40

chand.bhardwaj wrote:gOI should invite Indian social organizations to apply for funding that deliver service, grants and loans to Nepalis to rebuild their homes, cities and temples better than before, and enable counseling.

It should allow our army to reach out in welfare And also provide a relief yojna that employs the large number of retirees there in disseminating it.

It should offer quick registration and "freedom of employment" in India for every legal Nepali who wishes to earn an income to help rebuild. It should request Indian companies and employers to participate in a job exchange, or some similar mechanism to match job seekers with jobs.

Every reporter in Nepal representing India should be able to help provide information to the people they reach in terms of aid, grant, loan and employment opportunities.

It should offer aid to the Nepal govt. and insist on rapid clearance. If the Nepal govt continues to insult India, India can and should reach out to civil society without them and help sort them out later.

My paisa.


how about employment for Indians in India first, before we think of distributing economic largesse to the nepalis. The quake is a passing phase and the first responder aid will end sooner or later. let them also do their bit in the long run.

however much you do for the nepalis, there will be some who are always dissatisfied with India, wanting more of this and that.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 03 May 2015 21:10

chetak wrote:

how about employment for Indians in India first, before we think of distributing economic largesse to the nepalis. The quake is a passing phase and the first responder aid will end sooner or later. let them also do their bit in the long run.

however much you do for the nepalis, there will be some who are always dissatisfied with India, wanting more of this and that.



I don't think it is at the cost of Indians' employment. If that one has to see then BDs, illegal migrants, are largest source of manpower taking away jobs of ordinary Indians. Nepalis have right to work in India and Indian Govt except in some cases and constitutional posts. And if we vacate the space, in the longer run it will be usurped by China, and then a dagger will be pointed at India in its most vulnerable spot. And yes , some will always grumble and that should not be the cause of our laxity on Nepal front.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Melwyn » 03 May 2015 21:17

New York, Yemen and now Nepal, Indian media has managed to tar the entire nation with it's stupidity.
Why does Indian media have to act like jerks everywhere?

Take this as a sample:



No wonder Nepalis are getting fed up of the Indian media.

Letter To Indian Media

To Indian media,

I would like to thank from the bottom of my heart for the help your country has provided at this time of crisis in my country, Nepal. All the Nepalese in and outside of the country are thankful to your country.

However, me being a Nepali outside from my motherland, when saw your news and news reports, my heart cried and hurt more than those destruction caused by 7.9 Richter magnitude of earthquake. Like all the medical personnel are taught and trained for potential disasters in future, as a reporter, I hope there is some kind of training on how to report different events. Your media and media personnel are acting like they are shooting some kind of family serials. If your media person can reach to the places where the relief supplies have not reached, at this time of crisis can’t they take a first-aid kit or some food supplies with them as well?

There has been one viral news report going on where a reporter presented how people were fighting for food and one women got injured badly. Thanks to the reporter who had enough time to grab the victim and bring to the camera to show the victim hurt badly on her head. But how surprising, he did not have a minute to grab a piece of cloth to stop bleeding . That reporter did not have a minute to grab the wrist of that person who was beating others with helmet. There was of course a cameraman who does not want to miss a second so that a dramatic news could be presented. I think you are a human before you become a media person. As a responsible person, it was your duty to save someone.

Next, there was this one reporter who had so much time to disturb the rescue workers on asking about technology. If you cannot save one life on that spot, could you please stop bothering others? It looks like , the reporter is new to the world of technology. A show where these technology launching program happens would be better for him to host. Thanks to tons of reporters who came to Nepal from those rescue planes of India, you took a seat where a victim could be transported to hospitals/ health camps. Thanks to you all reporters, you took a seat where a bag of food and supplies could be placed to send to those hardly hit places.

As a human, show your humanity. There are enough programs in this world of television where people can see dramatic shows, family serials, horror shows and nonsense reality shows. You do not have to add more at least in this time of crisis.

MESSAGE TO ALL THE MEDIA PEOPLE WHO ARE ON GROUND NOW IN NEPAL:

Your duty as a reporter is not just to capture the scenario and interview people. If you have access to these critical areas hit hard by earthquake, please take some first-aid kit with you. Take some food supplies, tent and water with you. You don’t have to show how government is not able to send supply there. At least you could reach there, so why can’t you all team up. We Nepali people have already seen and experienced weakness and selfishness of our government all our years. At least this time, everyone show your duty as a human.

MEDIA IS A POWER, IF USED CAREFULLY. OTHERWISE IT COULD ACT LIKE A WEAPON KILLING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

I hope my message will reach out to all the reporters out there.

Thank you,
Sunita Shakya

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Bade » 03 May 2015 21:47

I do not see anything wrong in the reporting. That is their job not relief or rescue.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 03 May 2015 21:48

I think I would sympathise with Nepalese in this time of trials. Indian MSM has acted in a most prudish manner. They don't know how to report sensitively. By and large they have stayed true to their colors of being Paid Media #Presstitutes. The type of questions they were asking survivors is captured well in this cartoon

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Nepal trending
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India trending
#DontComeBackIndianMedia

They may be sent to china or bakistan

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 03 May 2015 21:57

China sends armed police to Nepal for first time

BEIJING: China has sent armed police force for rescue operation in earthquake hit areas after Beijing received an "urgent request" from Nepal, State media said. This is the first time the country's armed police have ventured beyond its borders.

The first batch of 160 "armed police officers" crossed the Friendship Bridge that links the two countries on May 2. A total of 500 police officers and 180 pieces of road repair machinery will be sent, according to Fu Ling, a senior officer with the traffic rescue brigade of the police.

The visiting policemen were received by the Nepalese police at the border, the official Xinhua news agency said. China has also sent geologists to Nepal to assist in the rescue operation.


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This is a significant move, which was approved by the State Council, which is the cabinet, and the Central Military Commission. The first task assigned to the armed police forces is to reopen the road connecting the border pass of Zham and Kathmandu, which has been disrupted, Xinhua said.


This is apart from China's military personnel which is engaged in rescue operations, which also include transferring stranded Chinese citizens to their homes. China rarely sends military personnel to other countries except in the case of peace keeping forces of the United Nations.

China has so far sent 56 pieces of large machinery to repair 943-km long China-Nepal highway, which has been severely damaged by the earthquake. A major part of the highway consisting of 829 kms is in Tibetan region of China, which has been repaired and cleared for traffic.

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Work is afoot on the remaining 114 kms on the Nepal side.

Fu said Chinese police officers would observe Nepalese laws and regulations, respect local religious belief and customs, and do their best to aid quake relief
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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Bade » 03 May 2015 22:05

This is not the thread for this but do not see why they need police activity support from across the border. Is there looting going on and they find a resource crunch, or are they policing Chinese dwellings within Nepal's border ?

Nepal is setting itself up for seeing potential Indian action in the future near their border areas if Sino-Indian border control fails elsewhere. They are being very naive about it with this move.

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Postby svinayak » 03 May 2015 22:19

Bade wrote:This is not the thread for this but do not see why they need police activity support from across the border. Is there looting going on and they find a resource crunch, or are they policing Chinese dwellings within Nepal's border ?

Nepal is setting itself up for seeing potential Indian action in the future near their border areas if Sino-Indian border control fails elsewhere. They are being very naive about it with this move.


I started thinking when the Chinese nationals were the last foreigners who were not being taken back by the Chinese govt when rest of the foreigners have been evacuated apart from the missing westerners.

Chinese govt did not make much attempt to take care of its nationals by sending civilian planes to KTM in a urgent basis.

Please read all the statements from the PRC analysts on the situation in the Nepal Earthquake.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby svinayak » 03 May 2015 22:22

amitkv wrote:New York, Yemen and now Nepal, Indian media has managed to tar the entire nation with it's stupidity.
Why does Indian media have to act like jerks everywhere?

Take this as a sample:


No wonder Nepalis are getting fed up of the Indian media.

Indian English media is a foreign owned and foreign focused media to bring down the image of India. Why the surprise.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Melwyn » 03 May 2015 22:50

Bade wrote:I do not see anything wrong in the reporting. That is their job not relief or rescue.


:roll:
Did you see the entire video?

What sort of a moron shoves a mike in the face of an injured person and asks questions?
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Postby Bade » 03 May 2015 22:57

svinayak wrote:I started thinking when the Chinese nationals were the last foreigners who were not being taken back by the Chinese govt when rest of the foreigners have been evacuated apart from the missing westerners.


Check google maps just across the border at Kodari where their highway G318 comes in close to the border. Huge settlements and trailers indicating permanent Chinese presence.

CNN had a video of the moments as the quake struck Tibet region. Some of the structures and lay of the land indicated to me it was that area. Isn't this also the entry point for Kailash yatra via Nepal ? Had seen it before in a video during normal times and similarity was what made me connect the two.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby devesh » 04 May 2015 04:24

Indian media for the most part understand neither journalism nor ethics.

but in the case of Nepal, they have actually been more decent than ever, IMVHO. I don't see any cases of them interrupting or being an obstacle to rescue operations. This Nepali anti-Indian-media crap is basically, the Nepalis treating India as a "soft state".

Nepal/Bhutan/SL/BD/Maldives etc: these countries in the Indian neighborhood which are historically either non-Muslim or at least have a pre-Islamic memory of some sort (in case of BD and Maldives, it's very faint now, but still somewhat alive) will always hedge between India and the Sino-Islamic alliance.

the more Islamic they are, the more they will tilt towards the S-I alliance. Nepal and SL treat India will indifference because they fundamentally believe that India is a soft state and they have grown to "respect" the Chinese and Islamics because the latter two are always willing to whip them into shape if necessary.

The elites in both Nepal and SL have the same mentality. the more they believe that Sino-Islamics can violently put them down, the more "respectful" they will be towards the Sino-Islamic alliance.

Indian on the other hand, is considered an "effete" state. and the Brit-Cong regime post-1947 never bothered to disillusion them of this belief. The State/Regime itself has to undergo some sort of transformation. the existing Indian State is prone to paralysis and intellectual stupour.

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Postby Tuvaluan » 04 May 2015 06:16

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/time-to-set-a-stopwatch/294225

These kind of articles (written by a nepali journalist and is one of many with this POV) that trash the Nepali govt. places the advantage right in the hands of maoists and points to their resurgence in the coming months, aided by external entities. Common sense says that the Nepali govt. needs to have a constitution in place to stop such an occurrence, but common sense seems to be the one thing the nepali politicans and elite have in short supply.
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Postby Shreeman » 04 May 2015 06:16

Bade wrote:This is not the thread for this but do not see why they need police activity support from across the border. Is there looting going on and they find a resource crunch, or are they policing Chinese dwellings within Nepal's border ?

Nepal is setting itself up for seeing potential Indian action in the future near their border areas if Sino-Indian border control fails elsewhere. They are being very naive about it with this move.


It is silly to believe that the armed presence has anything to do with the quake. They are there to protect chinese covert/overt presence from pictures and guard the maoist weaponry that still remains hidden. prevent people from contradicting the official line -- no chinese died, all chinese made buildings withstood the quake, etc.

This "sensitive areas" nonsense has to be made public. How exactly is nepal divided now?

edit -- china is ok with a hot war in nepal if its encroachment is even slowed, let alone repealed. Who will oppose them?

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Postby svinayak » 04 May 2015 09:19

Meanwhile, the Vatican has donated $100,000 to the people of Nepal. The Vatican's Pontifical Council Cor Unum pointed out that the aid is "a first and immediate concrete expression of spiritual closeness and paternal encouragement for the people and the affected areas" on behalf of Pope Francis.

The donation will be channeled directly to a local church in Nepal. Cor Unum is the Vatican council assigned to organize and coordinate humanitarian aid in times of natural disasters and crises.

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Postby svinayak » 04 May 2015 09:24

In India, both state and private television networks have been providing around-the-clock coverage of the quake highlighting India's response with military aircraft and helicopters flying overhead and rescue workers digging survivors and bodies from mangled debris. Indian teams report rescuing 200 people so far.

In China, state broadcaster CCTV gave prominent coverage to a red-suited team of Chinese rescuers pulling a man from debris in Kathmandu on Sunday.

According to Nepal's army, which is involved in the rescue effort, rescuers and medical teams from at least a dozen countries are already in the country and helping. Even tiny Himalayan neighbor Bhutan, which expelled ethnic Nepalese in the 1990s, has a medical team on hand. According to the army, teams from Russia, Japan, France, Switzerland and Singapore will arrive in the next couple of days.

Nepalese officials have expressed their gratitude for the help so far from neighboring countries, while also acknowledging they are overwhelmed and need still more help.

"We have been under severe stress and pressure," and emergency teams have been unable to reach many people who need help, Chief Secretary Lila Mani Poudyal said at a news conference Monday afternoon.

"We have one team from China who are supposed to be the best and already working in several spots in Kathmandu," he said, while adding that "Our priority is now to restore electricity power. We have just received an expert team from India who are going to help us."

http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/nep ... n-1.342786

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Postby member_28352 » 04 May 2015 10:00

There is too much of Red/Evangelist influence in Nepal. Chinese sending in of armed police is essentially an invasion. The Sino Islamic Murican axis is afraid that Indian presence doesn't go beyond a point in Nepal and hence the hashtags in the media and the vitriolic anti-India hate. The SIM axis perhaps treats the sending in of Indian relief workers and NDRF as an invasion force, all of which is wrong. That said we can't afford to let down the worst hit Gorkha areas for fear of offending the SIM axis.

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Postby member_28539 » 04 May 2015 11:07

I am still not able to figure out why the two neighbours (Nepal & Bhutan) hate us so much. They openly badmouth us even after doing so much for them at various points in history. I was watching documentary on Gorkhas by Al-Jazeera & one of the Gorkha kids gone for sleection was openly badmouthing India & calling us "Dhotis". I was under the impression that Gorkhas might fare better in comparison, but only after the British officer intervened & told him that the education that he got from India via his father's service in IA was the sole reason he was able to clear the testing at British Army Gorkha Selections.

Second, when I was in Bhutan a local I was chatting to openly called us cheap & refered to us as "Parle-G Gang". I was very offended & came to blows with him until was restrained by my fellow team mates.

Is it that India does too much for these guys without screwing them back like PRC? or something else because on a certain level it hurts alot to see this sort of sentiment from people whose very roads & Govt. Buildings have been built by us.

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Postby abhischekcc » 04 May 2015 11:37

Nepalis have a very racist attitude towards Indians, and I don't think it is because of anything we do, or even because of EJs and China. These guys just have a huge inferiority complex wrt India. I remember when we were there about 15 years ago, me an my father went to a restaurant and put our order, 10 minutes later a huge Japanese group (15-20 people) came and ordered. The whole lot was served before us, and then the two of us were served!!!

Even in the current earthquake reporting, I saw one Indian family complaining how the Nepali officials were discriminating against them, and I could totally understand.

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Postby Shreeman » 04 May 2015 12:05

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nepal-eart ... rce=dlvr.i

Hehe. You let them in, and soon there are chinooks and V22s that are not going anywhere! This is mainly the chinese fear showing through.

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Postby Shreeman » 04 May 2015 13:25

^^^^ monkey, two cats and the bread folks. nobody is smart enough to shout over and drown the paid promoters of hate.

Its a week. Its all "swachh bharat" from hereon.

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Postby member_28352 » 04 May 2015 13:48

Essentially the Cheenis and the Muricans used the "opportunity" provided by Indian help (NDRF/helicopters etc) to push in their own boots on the ground. I'm not even sure Nepal sovereignty even matters now to the SIM axis. Now with their friends in the viscerally anti-Indian Nepalese media they are engaged in their version of Swaach Bharat. We should make it clear than we leave only when the Muricans and Cheenis leave. This is a bar-room fight and we need to win and make a point. As a aside it wouldn't hurt to push in boots in the ground comprised of elements from all 7 Gurkha regiments along with their EME and medical detachments. A large number of these people are from Nepal itself and have more than equal rights than anyone else to carry out relief work. As an aside a lot of the hatred that Nepalis, Bhutias have about India is the same sort of hate that Bakis have about India. There is a false sense of superiority on the same lines that TFTA Bakis have towards SDRE Yindoo banias.

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Postby M Joshi » 04 May 2015 14:35

abhischekcc wrote:Nepalis have a very racist attitude towards Indians, and I don't think it is because of anything we do, or even because of EJs and China. These guys just have a huge inferiority complex wrt India. I remember when we were there about 15 years ago, me an my father went to a restaurant and put our order, 10 minutes later a huge Japanese group (15-20 people) came and ordered. The whole lot was served before us, and then the two of us were served!!!

Even in the current earthquake reporting, I saw one Indian family complaining how the Nepali officials were discriminating against them, and I could totally understand.


These things happen to Indians in India also. I was in Goa a couple of years back & the restaurant staff was more inclined to first serve the gores, than the SDRE crowned present there including us. I think it's not a Nepalese specific problem but South Aseeaa problem.

One of my Nepalese batch mate is posting on FB with hashtag IndianMediaGoHome & the attitude reflects I suspect, more of the ego bursting of Nepalese elites aided by Paki tweeters, than their actual disgust with the content being shown on Indian media.

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Postby Comer » 04 May 2015 14:48

@CNNIBNBreaking
Nepal government asks NDRF to wind up rescue operations


Part of the reason could be that chances of finding survivors after such a long time is low.
That said, there was an unmistakable crescendo of negative publicity before this news.

EDIT: All rescue ops winding down

http://www.firstpost.com/world/nepal-go ... 26330.html
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Postby abhischekcc » 04 May 2015 14:49

Joshi ji,

There might be a few places in India that do that, but Nepal is almost entirely like that. Even pakis and BDs suffer from the same inferiority complex. I am surprised to know about Bhutan though.

These countries do not have any cultural or identity depth which is separate from India. Therefore the only way by which they can feel special is by running down India. Hence the hate India culture in those countries.

India's massive effort has further hurt Nepali sentiments by showing they are nothing without us. So they are picking on the weakest link in the whole chain - the aggressive coverage of the India media.

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Postby member_28352 » 04 May 2015 14:54

We need to tell the Nepalese that our Gurkha troops from the 7 Gurkha regiments will stay behind for relief work as it is their homeland. If the NDRF is to leave then the Muricans and the Cheenis too will have to leave. In any case apparently Nepal has invited Chinese Armed Police for relief work in Nepal. So if the Chinese get to stay then we too get to stay.

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http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indias-d ... ces-760365
Kathmandu: India and 33 other nations have been asked by Nepal to pull out their rescue teams nine days after the massive earthquake that has left at least 7,200 people dead in the tiny Himalayan country.

Teams from Japan, Turkey, Ukraine, UK and Netherlands have begun the process of leaving.

The foreign ministry said on Monday that the Nepal government had asked countries to remove their "first response" teams as the focus is now on relief, rather than rescue.

"As such, Nepal has asked all rescue teams from 34 nations to withdraw. They now need rubble removal equipment and have asked India for help, an army engineering team will be going," the ministry said.

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http://www.livemint.com/Politics/P2EaXC ... twork.html
New Delhi: Days after India’s Power Grid Corp. of India Ltd (PGCIL) helped Nepal’s electricity grid come online, the state-owned firm is working towards rebuilding the distribution network to start power supply in the tragedy-struck country.
According to preliminary estimates, it will require an investment of around Rs.750 crore for reviving the country’s electricity distribution network. Nepal has an installed capacity of around 675MW, of which around 653MW is generated from hydropower. In comparison, India’s installed power generation capacity is 267,637.35MW.

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http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2015 ... -supplies/

The United Nations pressed Nepal to make it easier to bring aid into the quake-stricken country as international relief organizations and Nepalese authorities struggled Sunday to get enough tents and medical supplies to remote areas.
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Valerie Amos, the U.N.’s humanitarian-aid chief, met Nepal’s prime minister, Sushil Koirala, on Saturday and asked him to ensure aid could get into the country quickly, a spokeswoman for the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Orla Fagan, said Sunday.

Some aid groups were complaining of having difficulty getting supplies into the country, Ms. Fagan said. “The Nepali government wanted to tax them like ordinary goods,” she said.

Nepal’s government disputed the U.N.’s assertion. “We are not stopping the genuine relief and aid materials at our airport or land custom checks,” said Lakshmi Prasad Dhakal, spokesman for Nepal’s Home Ministry. “We have given a clear direction to all our check points regarding this.”

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby member_28539 » 04 May 2015 15:59

ShankarCag wrote:We need to tell the Nepalese that our Gurkha troops from the 7 Gurkha regiments will stay behind for relief work as it is their homeland. If the NDRF is to leave then the Muricans and the Cheenis too will have to leave. In any case apparently Nepal has invited Chinese Armed Police for relief work in Nepal. So if the Chinese get to stay then we too get to stay.


I might be going overboard with this but why bother? let them F**k themselves, when they can't respect the hand that helps them feed then why should we bother. Plus, the Gorkha revelation has really made me look at these guys in very different way I should say. An average SDRE is as good and motivated as any Gorkha ever is...we should stop recruitements for a couple of years and get the youth from NE India in more numbers, this might teach them how to say thanks & not be so Thank-less.


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