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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 04 May 2015 16:03

http://inserbia.info/today/2015/05/nepa ... ssistance/

Opposition leaders held a meeting with Nepalese Prime Minister Sushil Koirala on Saturday to discuss the current scenario in the country and the government’s reconstruction programme. During the meeting, three senior opposition leaders – UCPN-Maoist supremo Prachanda, Chairman of CPN-Maoist Mohan Baidya and Chief of Nepal Majdoor Kisan Party Narayan Man Bijukchhe – requested the premier not to accept unconditional help from India, saying that otherwise the national security would be compromised.

The Left leaders also asked the premier to call an all-party meeting before making a final decision regarding the reconstruction programme. Although all the leaders admitted that it would be difficult for Nepal to bring back normalcy without foreign help, they made it clear that no country should be allowed to take advantage of the devastating situation of the South Asian country.

Prachanda believes that the main reason behind India’s ongoing quake relief work is to influence the decision-making process in the neighbouring country. The UCPN-Maoist chairman, who is very much concerned with India’s involvement in the relief work, urged the premier to be very cautious in allowing the foreign countries to distribute relief materials in Nepal. At the same time, the seasoned politician asked all the major parties to come together “in this difficult period in history”.

Baidya and Bijukchhe, too, supported Prachanda’s view, stressing that Kathmandu should limit activities of the Indian armed forces and rescue teams in the country. They told Prime Minister Koirala that it was surprising to see India asking the government to specify priority sectors while distributing relief materials.


These P, B, B, are idiots. If India did not ask the Nepali government to specify where to send aid first, they would have complained even louder. With people like this, there is no satisfying them. They are Pakistani in attitude and will not be happy without constant appeasement.

PS: Don't get angry at the Nepali people in general. Understand who the people who hate India are, and which ones of them have legitimate complaints and which ones don't.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby member_28539 » 04 May 2015 16:06

[quote="abhischekcc"]Joshi ji,

I am surprised to know about Bhutan though.

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Abhishek Ji, even I was!...never expected them to be so high-headed & all butt-hurt for no godforsaken reason.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby prahaar » 04 May 2015 16:09

Joshi_Sa wrote:
ShankarCag wrote:We need to tell the Nepalese that our Gurkha troops from the 7 Gurkha regiments will stay behind for relief work as it is their homeland. If the NDRF is to leave then the Muricans and the Cheenis too will have to leave. In any case apparently Nepal has invited Chinese Armed Police for relief work in Nepal. So if the Chinese get to stay then we too get to stay.


I might be going overboard with this but why bother? let them F**k themselves, when they can't respect the hand that helps them feed then why should we bother. Plus, the Gorkha revelation has really made me look at these guys in very different way I should say. An average SDRE is as good and motivated as any Gorkha ever is...we should stop recruitment for a couple of years and get the youth from NE India in more numbers, this might teach them how to say thanks & not be so Thank-less.


You are saying this based on some FB/Twitter posts? Nepal has worse Internet penetration than India, it is not right to leave vast numbers of Nepalis to the mercy of the corrupt leadership. Just look at the pictures of IAF/IA choppers, these guys do not look unhappy. We should not let AIF elements in Nepal/India/elsewhere to guide our actions with Nepal. The blockade of 1989 has left significant mark on the psyche of Nepalis, we should not repeat that mistake. Indian policy should not be informed by rants/prejudices of few people (whether on Indian or Nepali side), one Rajiv era arrogance is sufficient. The amount of effort+patience Indian establishment has shown towards Pakistan, if 10% of that is shown with Nepal, it can pay rich dividends.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Rahul M » 04 May 2015 16:56

re : bhutan, some of the elites had a kind of superiority complex because socialist India had only amby's and marutis while thimpu had toyota's and better roads. nevermind the fact that those were all bought with Indian grant for the most part.
that kind of feeling is not exactly widespread and reduce with overall improvement in India.

bottomline, we continue to suck at media management.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby mayo » 04 May 2015 18:12

Friends, can one of you recommend some credible organizations where money can be donated for Nepal aid from the US? I don't want the money to reach the evangelical forces.

Is SewaUSA.org an RSS affiliated site?

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby member_26011 » 04 May 2015 18:12

Nepal asks all nations to end rescue operations, seeks India's help in rehabilitation
On Monday, Kathmandu authorities requested all the 34 countries involved in rescue operations in Nepal to call off their operations. Confirming this to the TOI, Vikas Swarup spokesperson of MEA said, "We have been asked to move to the next phase, that is, rehabilitation and reconstruction."

Nepal has requested India for equipments to remove the huge pile of rubble and help the country in its rehabilitation process.

Swarup said,"India would soon send heavy equipments in response to Nepalese demand. We are working closely with the civilian and military authorities in Nepal on the relief effort."


If all this true, then very good. IMHO, we must not cease to exert positive influence on Nepal, ever. Thank goodness it is high priority for PM, and thanks to NSA for getting on the ground. Almost always, when he lands things start to move in the right strategic direction, it would seem to me. And again, excellent coordination between all elements. Only media, a big area, remains to be sorted out, but perhaps social media can help flatten this in the future, too. Please keep up the good work!
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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 04 May 2015 18:14

chand.bhardwaj wrote:Nepal asks all nations to end rescue operations, seeks India's help in rehabilitation
On Monday, Kathmandu authorities requested all the 34 countries involved in rescue operations in Nepal to call off their operations. Confirming this to the TOI, Vikas Swarup spokesperson of MEA said, "We have been asked to move to the next phase, that is, rehabilitation and reconstruction."

Nepal has requested India for equipments to remove the huge pile of rubble and help the country in its rehabilitation process.

Swarup said,"India would soon send heavy equipments in response to Nepalese demand. We are working closely with the civilian and military authorities in Nepal on the relief effort."


If all this true, then very good. we must not cease to exert positive influence on Nepal, ever. Thank goodness it is high priority for PM, and thanks to NSA for getting on the ground. Almost always, when he lands things start to move in the right strategic direction, it would seem to me. And again, excellent coordination between all elements. Only media, a big area, remains to be sorted out, but perhaps social media can help flatten this in the future, too. Please keep up the good work!



Vikas Swarup @MEAIndia · 3h 3 hours ago

.@horror06 Search and rescue phase is over. Indian relief efforts will continue. (2/2)
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Vikas Swarup @MEAIndia · 3h 3 hours ago

.@horror06 Rescue teams from all 34 nations have been asked to withdraw as it is now 9 days since quake. (1/2)
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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby member_26011 » 04 May 2015 18:23

This should help everyone to take India more seriously now, sorry I missed that terse remark!

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 04 May 2015 18:32

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indias-disaster-response-teams-asked-to-withdraw-by-nepal-government-sources-760365
Kathmandu: India and 33 other nations have been asked by Nepal to pull out their rescue teams nine days after the massive earthquake that has left at least 7,200 people dead in the tiny Himalayan country.

Teams from Japan, Turkey, Ukraine, UK and Netherlands have begun the process of leaving.

The foreign ministry said on Monday that the Nepal government had asked countries to remove their "first response" teams as the focus is now on relief, rather than rescue.

"As such, Nepal has asked all rescue teams from 34 nations to withdraw. They now need rubble removal equipment and have asked India for help, an army engineering team will be going," the ministry said.


Why do we need to believe Indian Presstitutes. DNA od rrNDTVee and CeeYenYenEyeBN is well known as anti Indian.

NDRF and Army Engineering Task force and whatever else India decides to continue will stay in Nepal. Now emphasis is on relief and rehabilitation. Debris clearing and restoring basic infra. Powergrid is already in Nepal and has helped restoring power to Kathmandu. Hundreds of villages are yet to be reached by relief agencies. IAF is reaching out and providing materials. Now they have started airdrops as well. Road infra is poor and whatever was there is virtually gone. China is clearing Nepal Tibet Highway and Zhamo pass which iss closed due to landslides. I am not yet clear what role India will play in rest of the affected places. Though it has large presence in terai area , China is more visibly present in road segment in mountains.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 04 May 2015 18:44

# एक ठेठ मगही ‏@Singh_bk1976 3h3 hours ago

@MEAIndia @horror06 Does it applicable to Relief team also or Relief team will continue its Operation there ?


Vikas Swarup Verified account
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.@Singh_bk1976 Relief operations will continue in full swing. Nepal Govt. has asked for earth-moving equipment to assist in clearing debris.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby svinayak » 04 May 2015 20:00

"The mainly social media backlash in Nepal does point to an irritation of local people with the way their tragedy has been covered by India," says Kanak Mani Dixit. "It is possibly time now for India's news channel to introspect and give some due respect to the host country." There are mounting worries at home over the declining quality of Indian media and what many call the "tabloidization of news". Also, more disturbingly, as Prannoy Roy, chief of India's leading NDTV news channel worries, "Why is India becoming 'no country for honest journalism'?"


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32579561

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ramana » 04 May 2015 20:15

Folks I suggest you use the Off Topic thread to post your bile about Nepal. This thread is about the rescue and relief organization post eqk. Thanks, ramana

Having lost Sri Lanka China is wary of losing Nepal too to India. Hence the armed police men as trip wire forces.

Besides US has rushed in military planes. You think they have boy scouts guarding them?

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And one should tell Prannoy Roy to heal himself first!!! His channel has contributed to the general decay of Indian journalism.

Journalism at its core is a public service.

Paid media is not.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 May 2015 20:35

Valerie Amos, the U.N.’s humanitarian-aid chief, met Nepal’s prime minister, Sushil Koirala, on Saturday and asked him to ensure aid could get into the country quickly, a spokeswoman for the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Orla Fagan, said Sunday.

Some aid groups were complaining of having difficulty getting supplies into the country, Ms. Fagan said. “The Nepali government wanted to tax them like ordinary goods,” she said.


Who are these aid groups that are complaining? would be interesting to know, so we can keep an eye on these "aid" groups. "aid" is misleadingly used to denote "low interest" or "rebate" items that must be bought by the Nepali govt. -- nothing wrong in treating them as ordinary taxable goods since there is nothing charitable about selling things to people affected by calamity.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby svinayak » 04 May 2015 20:55

ramana wrote:Folks I suggest you use the Off Topic thread to post your bile about Nepal. This thread is about the rescue and relief organization post eqk. Thanks, ramana

Having lost Sri Lanka China is wary of losing Nepal too to India. Hence the armed police men as trip wire forces.

Besides US has rushed in military planes. You think they have boy scouts guarding them?

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US planes in Nepal is a show of force to PRC PLA military.
It is to make sure that China does not get any different idea when the Nepal political leadership is weak.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 05 May 2015 08:13

Sitanshu Kar @SpokespersonMoD · 3h 3 hours ago

#NepalEarthquake Massaive landslides have partially blocked a river near #GhoraTabela near #Langtang.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 05 May 2015 08:21

Contraband entering India via relief routes: GRP


AGRA: Smuggling of drugs and arms has proliferated along the India-Nepal border in the last few days, as cartels exploit the opening of passages meant for quick supply of relief aid for victims of last week's earthquake that jolted the neighbouring country, according to Government Railway Police in Agra.

The revelation comes after three men were arrested last week from Etawah with 46kg of Kirmichya ganja, a variant that is locally produced in Nepal.

During interrogation, one of the men revealed how drugs syndicates were deploying poverty-stricken people for as little as Rs 1,800 to supply illegal contraband in India.

The cartels are also smuggling Chinese-made arms and fake currency into the country, besides peddling Kirmichya, said a source.

Kakarbhitta-Naxalbari route in West Bengal, Birgunj-Raxaul along the Bihar-Nepal border and the Sunauli border are the main routes being used by the smuggling mafia, the source added.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Shreeman » 06 May 2015 05:48

Only a fraction of the dead have been located and cremated. Not sure if all villages have even been visited by outsiders yet. Nepal is gone from front page, main news regardless of region. And long before that it was politics and pure politics alone. The numbers here are astronomical and may never be authoritatively released. This instance has been both jading and eye opening. I am (if I am still a person, this is a debate I often lose now) a different person because of it.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 06 May 2015 15:47

You are very right sir, I think even your estimates could turn out to be way conservative. And Nepal will see reduced interest from other countries except China and India and to some extent from USA and missionaries. Once news is gone from front page they will become topic of PPTgiri.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby member_24042 » 06 May 2015 23:56

Just in, Nepali students burn effigy of Modi. Always knew Modi was just another sentimental Guju, India needs leaders like Ambedkar or Savarkar.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Tuvaluan » 07 May 2015 00:26

Umm..what would poor Ambedkar or Savarkar do in Modi's place? Pretty sure Ambedkar would recommend that the MHA and other govt. organs do their job to determine the meaning of this incident -- he was the ultimate constitutionalist who frowned on the hunger strikes of Gandhi and his ilk. The maoists are just frustrated at having lost their foothold in Nepal in the past 10 years, given how Prachanda has suddenly turned against India after many years of being all lovey-dovey with GoI.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Bade » 07 May 2015 01:21

OK a few students burn effigy of Indian PM or Indian flag. So what is India supposed to do dhoti-shiver and withdraw all aid. :(( Indian officials were bombed in A'stan and what did India do even under the previous GoI. We need to stay on course and be firm.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 07 May 2015 01:28

I thought we were trying to grow strategic thinkers, not whiners :)

http://www.telegraphnepal.com/headline/ ... endra-modi

Who burned Modi in effigy?
Students affiliated with the ruling United Marxist Leninist Party, main opposition Unified Maoists, Nepal Communist Party (Maoist) headed by Mohan Baidya and Kirat-Rai Student union had jointly organized the protest program.


About Nepali communists (from 2013):
http://www.kulgautam.org/2013/05/a-nepa ... -in-nepal/

The case of the Indian approach to the Maoists is even more intriguing. India declared the Nepali Maoists as “terrorists” earlier than most other countries. But it allowed the Maoists to operate fairly freely within its territory and engaged with the Maoist leadership through its intelligence operatives. When the Maoist anti-India rhetoric became shrill, the Indians tightened the screws on them, but when the Maoists became more pliant, India tended to cuddle them.

The Indian policy vis a vis the Maoists seems to be devoid of any principles but strictly pragmatic and even erratic. India is a great democracy domestically, but its foreign policy is not guided by democratic principles but by very pragmatic security and economic considerations, as is the case of China. On balance, the Maoists seem to have cleverly played their cards vis a vis India and benefitted more from its patronage rather than suffering from its sanctions.


BRFers - are there any explicit statements from PM Modi which would create a major change in this perception? It might explain why the Maoists are turning on him. Thanks!

PS: Also from the above
Most Nepalis who support and vote for Communist parties, do not really understand what Communism really stands for. Even most members and leaders of Nepal’s Communist parties would not have read Marx’s Communist Manifesto, Lenin’s What is to be Done?, Mao’s Red Book, not to mention Rosa Luxembourg’s dissenting views.

But there is a popular and populist conviction among many Nepalis that Communists – and in particular Maoists – generally stand for the poor and the oppressed; that they support an agenda of inclusion and equity and are against social injustice.

Although many people fear and dislike the Maoists’ use of force and intimidation, Communists still enjoy widespread support among the poorest segment of the population, and particularly the most marginalized communities, including the lowest rung of the Hindu caste system, the Dalits and other deprived groups.

However, I believe Nepal has now reached a turning point. As the level of education and literacy among the people has risen, people are becoming more critical thinkers and are no longer so easily persuaded by populist slogans and grandiose empty promises.

As an open society, with even ordinary people in remote areas having access to information from multiple sources, people can now make more informed judgment.

Communist parties, including the Maoists, now have had a chance to lead the government, rule the country, and show how they deliver on their promises. And in terms of delivery, the track record of the Communist parties, like that of other parliamentary parties, has been a mixed one.

The Maoist party, for example, is more inclusive of the great diversity of Nepal’s population than most other parties, including at the middle leadership level. And its rhetoric of progressive transformation of society rings quite attractive.

However, the glaring gulf between the Maoist’s words and deeds has now become so obvious that they can no longer expect to enjoy the very generous benefit of doubt that people gave them in the CA elections in 2008.

For example, the Maoists started their whole insurgency with a list of 40-point demands in 1996, most of which were highly exaggerated, undemocratic and impractical anti-Indian slogans. But when they came to power and led the government, the Maoists sensibly did not implement any of their own original demands.

On the contrary, they signed new agreements with India which were completely opposite of their original demands. This has revealed the opportunistic hypocrisy of the Maoists for everyone to see.

The Maoists raised loud slogans against corruption by other political parties. But when in power, they resorted to corruption on a scale that was probably unprecedented in Nepal’s history.

The Maoist leaders proclaimed that they did not own any private property, and whatever property they had, it belonged to their Party. However, in the years since the end of the conflict, there have been dramatic revelations of how many Maoist leaders have fabulously enriched themselves, and played many tricks to hide their private property.

Indeed, most of the revelations of the Maoist leaders’ corruption and enrichment have come from their own party cadres and rank and file. It has been widely reported that many Maoist leaders siphoned off huge amounts of funds that were allocated by the government for the Maoist combatants in cantonments as part of the peace process. The sense of betrayal and anger among the combatants because of this blatant corruption and deception by their leaders led to riots in many cantonments in February 2012 when the Maoist-led government had to mobilize the Nepal Army – their erstwhile enemy – to control the situation....

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Bade » 07 May 2015 01:37

http://twitter.com/setopati/status/5955 ... 48/photo/1

They all look Indian to my eyes... :-) They can protest all they want as it is their democratic right.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 07 May 2015 01:40

A Pioneer article on Modi and Nepal's Maoists, from August 2014
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... oists.html

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby A_Gupta » 07 May 2015 01:44

http://nepalpolity.com/
"A forum for the analysis of Nepal's domestic affairs, Policy Research, Himalayan Asia affairs and International Relations".
May have useful information and opinions.

PS: sensitivity to perceived Indian interference in domestic affairs:
http://nepalpolity.com/?p=5638#sthash.MJDLGZI4.dpbs

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Bade » 07 May 2015 02:00

He further elaborated that the Maoist party and leaders were a force that represents “the suppressed class, expanding its relations outside the country”. Furthermore, they were developing “a new political culture in Nepal” and the “traditional forces” were finding it difficult to stomach this development. The raw fact is that the Maoists in totality were in decline. They had their moments of glory, but were now a spent force through their own weaknesses. They have been rejected by the Nepalese electorate and were seeking ways and means to revive themselves – one such being kowtowing to the Indians, even at the cost of the country’s sovereignty. - See more at: http://nepalpolity.com/?p=5638#sthash.M ... vpN19.dpuf
:P sweetness of politics and democracy, and what other options do they have.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Gus » 07 May 2015 02:03

TonySoprano wrote:Just in, Nepali students burn effigy of Modi. Always knew Modi was just another sentimental Guju, India needs leaders like Ambedkar or Savarkar.


what's your problem? did some nepali piss you off? you have been pushing this line in this thread all the time..

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby krisna » 07 May 2015 02:09

No need to read too much into communist khujili.
Most Nepalis have been effected by India's gesture timely and massively. Many believe and love India.
NaMo has taken it a higher level thru his personal visits and actions taken on ground.
Some sections are strong NaMo supporters like in India.

GOI under NaMo is totally different than Sonia UPA which was a disaster.

China paki axis feeling the pinch. :((

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Bade » 07 May 2015 02:10

Another key player, and perhaps, most effective and aggressive till recent past, India, has been vigorously attempting to maintain its influences in Nepal’s domestic affairs. India takes Nepal as a country under its sphere of influence. India visibly wants Nepal to remain under its sphere of influence, a continuation of Nehru dictum, who had asserted that Indian borders were up to the Himalayas in the North. With metamorphosed regional power equation, this Indian position has been seriously challenged, making New Delhi desperate.

Chinese understanding is that the United States, with assistance from including India, can play from a weakened Nepali soil and act against the Chinese security interest. Thus, Chinese interest in Nepal is to block the penetration of those forces which could pose a threat to its very survival, especially through Tibet, China’s weak belly.
- See more at: http://nepalpolity.com/?p=5666#sthash.Scf2hivP.dpuf


The real reason why India will remain as engaged since 1950 and will do so into the future. It does not matter who is in power in Delhi.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Tuvaluan » 07 May 2015 02:16

They have been rejected by the Nepalese electorate and were seeking ways and means to revive themselves – one such being kowtowing to the Indians, even at the cost of the country’s sovereignty.


So this view from NepalPolity.com seems to say that it is the current govt. that is under pressure to be seen as anti-India...so how did this come about. It appeared that the nepal polity was welcoming NaMo when he visited Nepal. So when this about turn happen? Does this mean that the maoists are more pro-India than the current Nepali govt. -- that is what this nepal polity article seems to imply. Are these guys just muddying the waters?

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ramana » 07 May 2015 03:54

What use is a dictum when Indian Army forces were cut to the bone under Nehru!

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chanakyaa » 07 May 2015 04:50

TonySoprano wrote:Just in, Nepali students burn effigy of Modi. Always knew Modi was just another sentimental Guju, India needs leaders like Ambedkar or Savarkar.

Nice to know that you know very little about the the three men you mentioned in your post.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Tuvaluan » 07 May 2015 05:31

Ramana wrote:What use is a dictum when Indian Army forces were cut to the bone under Nehru!


Sorry for OT post, but Exactly, Ramanaji.

This is what I find irritating with the self-serving rhetoric of the Nehru acolytes of the Pratap Bhanu Mehta and Srinath Raghava mould who have the gall the claim that Nehru was a "realist" who took approaches based on the India's defence weaknesses.

A perfectly circular argument -- Nehru screwed the defence forces because he was paranoid about them and then did a lot of worthless and stupid cr@p to compensate for the weaknesses of the defense forces. In the end, Nehru and his paranoia of the army/defence forces was entirely responsible for an underequipped and overworked army for a long time after independence. Heck, the loser called the President of the USA before he even talked to his own defence chiefs when China attacked, as stated by no less than K.Subramanyam.

There was no money for the army because the government was running hotels and airlines at collosal losses and wasting human, intellectual, and financial capital of the nation with that approach. Sorry for rant, but always gets my goat to see the likes of Srinath Raghava and Pratap Bhanu Mehta act all smug and provide glib excuses for why Nehru was this awesome realist who could not have been replaced by any Indian at that time. Utter BS to hide Nehru's shenanigans. Time for everyone to realize what an utterly incompetent and self-aggrandizing person he was.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Shreeman » 07 May 2015 07:16

^^^ Cowardice is not tact or realism. And cowardice is not a one faceted "quality". The fortitude to take back what was yours does not depend upon machines. There was more fortitude then, than there is dependence on machines now.

Even Kargil was a very poor situation on all fronts. Any other government in India would have called in the UN, or done a Shimla or Tashkent much earlier. Even that one did, to an extent, but clearly with a better outcome than others in the last 50 years.

People will dispute what was possible in 71. But then dont seem to extend their arguments to the fleeting opportunities past smiling buddha for some reason. 71 itself may have had issues. But that decade was the best chance in past 50 years to obtain a full resolution on all sides. It was lost for the same reasons as the 50s.

And the past 10 years. Staying in power for the sake of staying in power.

Life, and nations, and empires are all like fungus. In their prime, they expand onto impossible surfaces. Like china is. Carving new ground in the sea. Past their prime, they molt. Will there be another cycle for India?

Most OT, though. And obviously not the accepted narrative either.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby SanjayC » 07 May 2015 07:29

svinayak wrote:
"The mainly social media backlash in Nepal does point to an irritation of local people with the way their tragedy has been covered by India," says Kanak Mani Dixit. "It is possibly time now for India's news channel to introspect and give some due respect to the host country." There are mounting worries at home over the declining quality of Indian media and what many call the "tabloidization of news". Also, more disturbingly, as Prannoy Roy, chief of India's leading NDTV news channel worries, "Why is India becoming 'no country for honest journalism'?"


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32579561


Pranoy Roy fretting about honest journalism is like a prostitute worrying about the declining number of virgins in the city. Also, this guy is so aligned with American interests, the moment American embassy announced holding training programs to teach honesty and ethics to Indian journalists, this dude starts making statements to echo the issue. Just shows that he is an American parrot, nothing else, and works like a foreign agent in India.

The U.S. Consulate General, Chennai will host a year-long training program in South India that will focus on journalism ethics, standards, citizen journalism, and advocacy through reporting.

http://chennai.usconsulate.gov/training ... 12013.html

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 07 May 2015 08:03

American embassy announced holding training programs to teach honesty and ethics to Indian journalists,


They are openly telling you to your face that the required standard of US ass licking is not happening in the Indian media.

This is an exercise to recruit embedded Indian journos to strongly push the amreki POV, even to the detriment of and at the cost of an Indian POV.

which presstitute journo in the world has any "honesty and ethics"?? not amrki ones, surely??

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby deejay » 07 May 2015 09:44

Shreeman wrote:...

Life, and nations, and empires are all like fungus. In their prime, they expand onto impossible surfaces. Like china is. Carving new ground in the sea. Past their prime, they molt. Will there be another cycle for India?

Most OT, though. And obviously not the accepted narrative either.


OT yes, but I wouldn't be defensive on these views - accepted or not. It is a view point logically argued above and hence needs to be put forth with the force it deserves. Dissent would only help fine tune any flaws it has.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 07 May 2015 10:52

Training Program for Journalism Standards and Ethics

So basically our Journalists are Trained and fed by the Americans. Commercial Media Workers indeed. Well Well Well.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby vijaykarthik » 07 May 2015 11:51

The Chennai US consulate does a good job of explaining how to use lots of oxymorons in a single sentence. Good job.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chaanakya » 07 May 2015 11:52

Gus wrote:
TonySoprano wrote:Just in, Nepali students burn effigy of Modi. Always knew Modi was just another sentimental Guju, India needs leaders like Ambedkar or Savarkar.


what's your problem? did some nepali piss you off? you have been pushing this line in this thread all the time..

There are many Indians who diss NaMo day in Day out. How does it matter as long as he is doing right things? If few people in Nepal talks ill of Indian efforts there are many more who appreciate our work and NaMo. If he stands for election today in Nepal he could easily get to PM post. Majority of Nepalese have appreciated our efforts.


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