Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Rudradev
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3171
Joined: 06 Apr 2003 12:31

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Rudradev » 07 Mar 2018 13:16

Muns,

Excellent effort.

Two quick points.

1) consider adding subtitles for the whole piece, which would make it easier to follow. It's a little long and any amount of sensory-cognitive challenge makes it harder to sustain viewer interest throughout the piece.
2) For title as well as the onscreen text, consider changing "NepalESE' to "Nepalis". Think about it, there are good reasons for doing that on a cultural (subtextual) level.

Muns
BRFite
Posts: 271
Joined: 02 Mar 2001 12:31

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Muns » 08 Mar 2018 12:02

Thank you for Rudra for the feedback. It really is valuable to me and I'll try to see what I can add to make these videos more engaging.
Usually if it's a Hindi translation then we definitely add subtitles. Adding subtitles often leads to a large amount of corrections especially when it comes to adequate translation. This in turn leads to greater time.

Of course most of the influence really has come from BR over the years and reading all of your posts. Let me see if I can try to understand what you are saying. From the definitions that I have used Nepalese is meant to refer to those Nepalis who are citizens of Nepal.

Indian Nepalis are meant to denote Indian citizens of Nepali ethnicity. I've tried to make this characterization accurate. I guess what you're trying to say is equate Nepalese to Indian Nepalis?

As much as I like to see this equal, the blowback from Nepalese is usually quite intense and leads to worsening of ideas when it comes to India trying to interfere in Nepal's affairs. The goal is definitely this in the long run. What I have tried to show in the video is with India growing success and open borders Nepalese could have a huge part to pay especially with their economy suffering so. This may in turn may lead to a softening of approach when it comes to India, and hopefully a greater softening of borders as well.

After shooting the first two videos it seems that we have a notoriety of being pro-BJP and pro Modi which is turned off a bunch of these Nepalese in Delhi from taking any more interviews. Our journalist in Delhi had a rough time in taking this last interview and actually got taken up to the roof by some of the Nepalese students with some refusal to answer some questions.

Part of the reason is my investigation is trying to prove that the Nepali Madhesi blockade of 2015 was not an Indian affair and was sorely because of internal conflict regarding Madhesis and Tharus related to Kathmandu elite and their restrictive Constitution.

Hopefully in the next few weeks I am looking to see if I can get more Madhesis in line to post their viewpoints as well.

If anybody knows any Madhesis in Delhi or Mumbai, please give me a shout as I think it could really be interesting to show their viewpoint when it comes to Kathmandu.

chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17710
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 13 Mar 2018 09:21

Horrifying details from Nepal's Kathmandu airport crash emerge: 'Pilot didn't obey ATC, landed at wrong time'



Horrifying details from Nepal's Kathmandu airport crash emerge: 'Pilot didn't obey ATC, landed at wrong time'

World Birendra KM and Saurabh Sharma Mar 13, 2018

Kathmandu: The pilot of the US-Bangla Airlines plane that crashed at the Tribhuvan International Airport in Nepal on Monday did not obey orders from the air traffic control (ATC), the airport authority said. As many as 49 of the 71 people on board died, according to latest reports.


Raj Kumar Chhetri, general manager at Tribhuvan International Airport, said the ATC, which monitors and regulates the traffic at the airport, asked pilot of the aircraft to await landing. The flight originated from Dhaka.

“The pilot did not obey orders given by ATC and landed at wrong time. Also, the plane was to land from the southern side of the runway, but the pilot tried landing from the northern side,” Chhetri told Firstpost.

Manoj Nepune, the Kathmandu Police spokesperson confirmed over the phone that 14 people among the dead were of Nepalese nationality. They'd gone to Dhaka for training from different Nepal travel agencies.

An airport official confirmed that among the 67 flyers, 32 were Bangladeshis, 33 were Nepalese, one each from China and Maldives, apart from four crew members.

PS Thakur, spokesperson of Tribhuvan International Airport, said the aircraft circled the airport twice before suddenly descending on the runway without informing the ATC.

Meanwhile, Nepal prime minister KP Sharma Oli reached the airport to take stock of the situation and assured all possible help to victims of the crash.

The injured were taken to Norvic Hospital in Thapathali and to Army Hospital in Kathmandu, Chettri added.

Birendra KM is a Kathmandu-based journalist and Saurabh Sharma is a Lucknow-based journalist. Both are members of 101reporters.com, a pan-India network of grassroot reporters


The quote below is from another internet source.

Looks like that there was lots of confusion in the cockpit.


ATC Radio Transcript Kathmandu-Tower:

(Note: this transcript is unofficial and can contain inadequate data)

BS211(female voice): „Good day, BanglaStar211 final runway 02.“
KTM-Tower: „BanglaStar211, tower. Wind 230 degrees eight knots, tailwind component seven knots, continue approach.“
BS211(female voice): „Continue approach BanglaStar 211.“
..
KTM-Tower: „BanglaStar211, wind 220 degrees seven knots, tailwind component six knots, runway 02 you’re cleared to land.“
BS211(female voice): „Cleared to land, BanglaStar 211.“
..
KTM-Tower: „BanglaStar211, tower?“
BS211(female voice): „Go ahead, sir.“
BS211(male voice): „Go ahead, mam‘.“
KTM-Tower: „BanglaStar211, you were given a landing clearance to runway 02.“
BS211(male voice): „Affirmative, mam.“
KTM-Tower: „You are going towards runway 20.“
BS211(male voice): „..(garbled transmission)..to runway 02.“
KTM-Tower (different voice): „…211, runway 20, cleared to land.“
BS211(male voice): „..cleared to land..(unintelligible).“
..
KTM-Tower (different voice): „BanglaStar211, Kathmandu Tower“
BS211(male voice): „Go ahead“
KTM-Tower (different voice): „BanglaStar211, request your intentions.“
BS211(male voice): „..(unintelligible)..“
KTM-Tower (different voice): “ BanglaStar211, that would be VFR.“
BS211(male voice): „Affirmative“
KTM-Tower (different voice): “ 211 join a ri…ehm..right downwind to runway 20.“
BS211(male voice): „Copied.“
KTM-Tower (different voice): “ …right downwind runway 02..“
..
Tower clears another aircraft (Buddha282) to land on runway 02.
..
KTM-Tower: „And BanglaStar 211, traffic at final eh..runway 02 at two miles, report sighting.“
BS211(male voice): „Copied, Sir. We’ll be at (..) runway 02.“
KTM-Tower: „Confirm you’re tracking towards runway 20 ?“
BS211(male voice): „Affirmative.“
KTM-Tower: „Right..left, right downwind runway 02, I say again Bangla 212 traffic is on final runway 02 landing on runway 02.“
BS211(male voice): „Copied Sir“
..
Tower confirmed landing clearance for the other aircraft (Buddha282) to land on runway 02.
..
KTM-Tower: „211 I say it again, do not proceed towards runway 20. Cleared to hold at your current position.“
BS211(male voice): „Okay, we’re making an orbit to the right, copied ?“
BS211(male voice): „Tower, 211, making a right holding, right holding for runway 02.“
KTM-Tower: „Okay that’s good but do not land. Traffic is on short final runway 02.“
BS211(male voice): „We have that, Sir copied. (unintelligible) we’re cleared to land“
..
KTM-Tower: „..BanglaStar211, runway..eh..cleared to land. Runway is vacated, either runway 02 or 20 ?“
BS211(male voice): „Yes Sir, we like to land on 20.“
KTM-Tower: „Okay runway 20, cleared to land. Wind is 270 degrees, six knots.“
BS211(male voice): „260 copied, cleared to land.“
KTM-Tower: „BanglaStar211, confirm you have the runway in sight?“
BS211(male voice): „Negative, Sir.“
KTM-Tower: „BanglaStar211, turn right and ah..you have the runway, confirm you have the runway not in sight, yet ?“
BS211(male voice): „Affirmative, we have (..) runway in sight. Requesting clear to land, Sir.“
KTM-Tower: „And BanglaStar211, cleared to land.“
BS211(male voice): „Cleared to land runway 02, BanglaStar212.“
KTM-Tower: „Roger, runway 02, cleared to land, BanglaStar211.“
..
BS211(male voice): „..sir, are we cleared to land ?“
KTM-Tower: „BanglaStar211, I say again..turn… (yelling in background).“
..
(end of BS211 transmissions)

Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20905
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Prem » 08 Apr 2018 01:45


Neshant
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4662
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Neshant » 08 Apr 2018 03:26

Invest in hydro-electric power projects in the North East instead of in Nepal.
They are proving to be fair weathered friends.
At least India's electricity supply will be less vulnerable then.

g.sarkar
BRFite
Posts: 1655
Joined: 09 Jul 2005 12:22
Location: MERCED, California

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby g.sarkar » 08 Apr 2018 03:40

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/ind ... r-projects
Won’t Buy Energy if More Dams Go to China: Modi to Tell Nepal PM
THE QUINT1 DAY AGO
India will use Nepalese Prime Minister KP Oli’s three-day visit to not only strengthen ties with the Himalayan nation, but also to issue a strong message to neighbouring China.
According to a report in The Indian Express, Modi is expected to make it clear to Oli that if he awards more dam-based projects to China, India will not be buying energy produced by Nepal.
You can’t expect India to buy power from a Chinese-built project. Let Nepal take Chinese assistance to build those dams and let China buy back the power produced from there.
A senior government official told The Indian Express
A major bone of contention between India and China, the report mentions, is the $2.5-billion Budhi Gandaki project, which is situated in the Budhi Gandaki river in central-western Nepal.
...
Gautam

Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20905
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Prem » 13 Apr 2018 01:28

https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speaks ... relations/
Oli’s Delhi visit – A milestone in Nepal-India relations

Governments in Nepal and India keep on changing, but the people-to-people relations between the two countries continue to remain evergreen. At times the relations between these two closest neighbours with open border system sour at the government-to-government level, but because of certain inbuilt mechanism of course corrections it soon get adjusted. This was well reflected during the Nepalese Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli’s recent visit to New Delhi between 6 and 8 April.PM Oli, who until recently was known as anti-India, made it amply clear that Nepal would do nothing that could hurt Indian interests in his country. He also expressed keen desire to improve Nepal’s relations with India as he did not have any misunderstanding with this country.While in New Delhi, PM Oli, along with his counterpart Narendra Modi, inaugurated the Integrated Check Post (ICP) at Birgunj, apart from the 69-km Amlekhganu-Motihari oil pipeline. The two countries also agreed to expedite the much-delayed Pancheshwar, Terai road and other infrastructure related projects.Operationalisation of the ICP is expected to increase the volume of cross-border trade. It is also likely to facilitate the movement of people from one country to the other. Similarly, the oil pipeline will deliver two million tonnes of petrol to Nepal per annum, which could remove major constraints in the transportation of oil from India to Nepal.The agreement made by Nepal and India to develop a partnership in agriculture sector is equally encouraging. India has made an outstanding achievement in agricultural sector.The country is not only self-sufficient in the production of food grains, but it is also one of the exporters of foodgrains. It has also emerged as the largest producer of milk and milk products. All this is possible because of green and white revolution in the country. Production and exports of such agricultural products in the county could help bridging the gap in the balance of trade with India..Another landmark agreement between Nepal and India was to enhance connectivity through Inland Waterways. This could provide the landlocked country access to the sea. As the transportation cost through the waterways is often far lower than transportation through other modes, this could boost up Nepal’s trade with India and third countries. And, more than this, the country now would no more remain landlocked with this development because of its access to the sea.
Most importantly, the agreement between Nepal and India to develop railway connectivity between Raxaul and Kathmandu is another most crucial development in Nepal-India relations.With the completion of this vital project, Kathmandu will be linked to over 115,000 kilometres of Indian railway system, which happen to be one of the largest rail networks at the global level. Both time and cost-wise, it will be far easier to travel to Kathmandu from the Terai region and also from India. Even the transport cost of carrying goods from Terai or India to Kathmandu will be far less. With this development, the volume of business and trade within the country as well as with India and the third countries would increase at faster rate.Additionally, the Raxaul-Kathmandu railway link will have greater strategic importance. Experts believe that this project is likely to counter China’s 8 billion dollar railway project under Belt and Road Initiative that is intended to link Tibetan railway through Rasuwagadhi-Kerung border to Kathmandu and further to Pokhara and Lumbini. In certain quarters, it is feared that the Chinese railway system could compel Nepal to remain in perpetual debt and thereby surrender part of its sovereignty to China. A poor country like Nepal is not in a position to repay the interest and principal amount of such a huge loan. If at all this railway project would benefit any country, it is China alone. There is very little that Nepal could export to China. But there will be quite a lot of products that Nepal would have to import from that country. This will further tend to worsen our balance of trade with China.In an important development in New Delhi, India made it clear that it would not buy energy if China built dams in Nepal.This was in regard to the 2.5 billion dollars Budhi Gandaki Hydroelectric project. Initially, the contract for this project had been awarded to China Gezhouba Group Corporation. But former Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba cancelled this contract to the Chinese company for its failure to meet the requirements. Soon afterwards, Oli gave a statement that he could renew the contract to the Chinese company that is expected to produce 1200 MW of power. It will be difficult to make this project sustainable if India refuses to buy power.
PM Oli’s visit would have been more fruitful if he had made agreement with India for the construction of Sapt Koshi High Dam, 900 MW Arun III project and the 6000 MW Pancheshwar Project. He would also have been more popular if he were to make a deal with India in regard to exchanging the banned notes of Rs. 500 and Rs. 1000 denominations. Such notes were demonetised in India in November 2016. Since the Nepalese were allowed to hold such high-value notes from 2014, many of them possessed those currencies. Following the demonetisation of such notes, certain sections of the Nepalese who had connections with India managed to convert the old notes into new ones. Yet, there were many people who could not do so. Officially, Nepal has over IRs. 300 million of such notes. But the unofficial account is that there is over IRs.10 billion worth of such notes in the country.Yet, to the great satisfaction of the Nepalese, all such major deals that have been made in New Delhi this time -- be it related to the joining Raxaut to Kathmandu through the railways, access to the sea through inland waterways, the oil-pipeline connection between the two countries or ICP in Birgunj -- would prove a milestone in Nepal’s development efforts. Possibly, those deals that could not be made this time in New Delhi might be done when Indian PM Narendra Modi would visit Kathmandu. Thus, on the whole, the visit to New Delhi by the Nepalese Prime Minister could be taken as successful.

chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17710
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 14 Apr 2018 17:58

India must be wary of Chinese threat via Nepal; ignoring Beijing's intelligence infiltration is at New Delhi's own peril


India must be wary of Chinese threat via Nepal; ignoring Beijing's intelligence infiltration is at New Delhi's own peril

India Prakash Katoch Apr 13, 2018

Nepalese prime minister KP Sharma Oli's recent India visit is being hailed as a new leaf in India-Nepalese relations; it was more about rebuilding trust. China's Xinhua quoted Oli as saying after his visit, "Nepal and India are two sovereign countries and good friends. We want to develop goodwill and mutual trust according to the change of times. I believe that my visit was productive to building mutual trust and friendship between the two countries."

Returning to Nepal after his India visit, Oli remarked at the airport in Kathmandu, "I conveyed the top Indian political leadership that Nepal wants to develop a relationship with India and our neighbours in line with the changing times in this 21st Century. I found they were quite positive in my opinion."

During Oli's visit, construction of the Motihari-Amlekhgunj petroleum products pipeline was flagged off, besides an agreement on the new railway line from Raxaual in Bihar to Kathmandu, integrated border checkpoints, organic agriculture, and inland waterways – the latter just an initial idea which will need much reconnaissance and follow up. The two sides also agreed to speed up the India-funded development projects in Nepal, including the Pancheswar Multipurpose Project.

India has traditionally been blamed for lacking strategic sense. Former foreign secretary Kapil Sibal had said, "That we produced Chanakya almost 2400 years ago is not sufficient ground to claim that today's India possesses a strategic culture."

Ironically, you also have diplomats stating that the India-Nepal border is the only "open border"; oblivious that the India-Myanmar border is also open. But while Oli may mention the "changing times in this 21st Century" in a different context, India will do well to examine the threat via Nepal, which is far greater than an open admission of "full support" to Naxals in India by Nepal’s Maoists.

Mao Zedong had said, "Tibet is the palm of China and Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and NEFA (Arunachal Pradesh) its fingers." China, it seems, thinks 100 years ahead. The Chinese ministry of foreign liaison under Mao had recruited and supported Maoist groups in Nepal, Burma, Philippines, Peru, the Japanese Red Army, and the Shining Path in Peru.

Chinese intelligence infiltration operations into Nepal, that began decades ago, set off a self-perpetuating Maoist "People's War" that has never really ended. Thus, it is in China's interests to install a regime in Kathmandu that is not too friendly with the US or India.

Much before Pushpa Kamal Dahal, alias Prachanda, became prime minister of Nepal, he had told Nepalese media, "The ultimate war will be with the Indian Army", which can hardly be construed a political statement, even as Nepal's moves to stop Nepalese Gurkhas from joining Indian Army may be given the benefit of the doubt. But Maoists' takeover of Nepal underscores the success of Communist China, which has consistently applied its hard and soft power in Nepal.

India and Nepal have ancient and historical links. Indian and Nepalese armies enjoy excellent relations and Nepal should logically not like its territory to be used for anti-India activities. But China, together with its protégé Pakistan, is past master in playing the sub-conventional card.
Take the case of Myanmar, where China has created proxies in the 10,000-strong United Wa State Army (USWA), armed with missile-fitted Chinese helicopters, and the United Liberation Front of West, South East Asia (ULFWSEA) as means to pressure both India and Myanmar.

The Indian Army has been conducting bilateral joint exercises with Nepal, Myanmar and China, but that does not deter Beijing from pursuing its nefarious agenda. Remember a few years back, media reported that four Chinese nationals were caught with fake Indian documents en-route to meet Naga rebels; which perhaps led to NSCN (K) abrogating its 14-year-old ceasefire with the Indian Government.

Chinese are past masters in pushing their anti-India agenda via Nepal in a manner that Oli can do little about – just like in Myanmar. Integrated border check-posts (still a long way off) can only help if movement other than these posts is met with force, which is unlikely with occasional patrolling. Nepal deploying drones along the border, which will obviously be Chinese, can also be used for infiltration of terrorists, arms, narcotics and drugs – in line with China's concept of 'Unrestricted Warfare'.

It will be foolish to believe that China will forsake its illegal territorial claims because of connectivity and economics (OBOR); its recent protests against purported Indian 'transgressions' in Asaphila should make this clear.
China's occupation of north Doka La, construction of a road and posts in Shaksgam Valley must be viewed in concert with the threat to the Siliguri Corridor.

Pakistani prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi's visit to Nepal in early March too must be seen in the context of not only a well-oiled network in Nepal, giving protection to ISI-backed terrorists, but becoming a "Control Centre", as per the IB, which the China-Pakistan anti-India nexus is liable to exploit, supported by Nepalese Maoists.

Earlier, ISI-backed terrorists had allegedly transited Nepal to sabotage India's trains and railway network, but now it may be for much more. Eminent scholar and China-watcher Claude Arpi wrote in 2014 of 'PLA soldiers in uniform deployed in Northern Nepal' in 2014. Nepal's agreement permitting Chinese oil drilling in Terai region will bring the PLA to Terai, which is already infested with ISI-backed radicals.

Ironically, such acts will likely be supported by Naxals frequenting visiting Beijing. India must also watch out for Bhutanese refugees in Nepal, headed by a former officer of the Royal Bhutan Army, which China may exploit to pressure Bhutan and India – Oli being a pawn or complicit. These are clear and present dangers, which India can ignore only at its peril.

The author is former Lieutenant General


Date: Apr 13, 2018

nithish
BRFite
Posts: 401
Joined: 02 Oct 2009 02:41

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby nithish » 18 Apr 2018 02:29

Bomb blast outside Indian consulate office in Nepal

KATHMANDU: A bomb went off outside an Indian consulate office in Nepal's Biratnagar, damaging the wall of the premises, a media report said today.

Morang SP Arun Kumar BC said the blast took place last night in an open space behind the building that caused minor damage to the wall. Police said they are investigating to find out on who caused the blast, Kathmandu Post reported.

Investigating officers suspect that cadres of a local political group have caused the blast. The security around the blast site has been upped after the incident.

Meanwhile, security sources in New Delhi citing inputs from Nepal said a small explosion took place at Biratnagar at the Indian Embassy consulate office.

This is a temporary office which had been set up during floods in Nepal and north Bihar and continues to function since then.

ricky_v
BRFite
Posts: 264
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ricky_v » 30 Apr 2018 18:00

https://thediplomat.com/2018/04/the-china-india-nepal-triangle/
China wants to invest in big connectivity projects in Nepal but prefers to bring its Asian competitor, India, on board. Some Nepali and Chinese scholars see this as an opportunity for trilateral cooperation between Nepal, India, and China, but Indian policymakers and academics have not shown much interest.

Chinese engagement in Nepal is sharply increasing with new areas of cooperation, making India uncomfortable. India views Nepal as its traditional sphere of influence, and wants to contain Chinese influence. Thus New Delhi is rejecting the proposal for trilateral cooperation, originally floated by China and later backed by some academics and political leaders in Nepal.

Wang also said that the two foreign ministers had discussed trade, transit, and connectivity issues. “We have also agreed to develop the transit and connectivity between our two countries including better services of the ports, and the repair and opening of two important roads — the Arniko Highway and Syafrubesi-Rasuwagadhi Highway — and we will make sure that we will have greater cooperation in civil aviation as well,” Wang said. “We have agreed to expedite the process regarding the agreements on utilization of existing highways of Tibet for cargo transport for Nepal and transit transportation.”


Gyawali said in the press conference that he and Wang “discussed about the early conduct of feasibility study and preparation of DPR of Nepal-China Cross Border Railway line stretching from Keyrong to Kathmandu and from Kathmandu to Pokhara and Lumbini.” India, through various formal and informal channels, is opposing the expansion of Chinese railway links to Lumbini, close to the Nepal-India border, saying that this would affect its security interests.


China and Nepal are also looking to finalize projects under China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). In May 2017, Nepal and China signed a framework agreement on the BRI and now the onus lies on Nepal to select the projects under the BRI framework. China is growing impatient over Nepal’s foot-dragging. Nepal and China are expected to sign some projects under the BRI during Oli’s visit to China.

Along with implementing connectivity projects, Nepal is asking China to open more border crossings. Though both countries are talking about broader connectivity, China has opened very few border points. The Tatopani crossing, the oldest and biggest trading point between the two countries, has been closed for three years.


As Oli prepares to deepen ties with China, the domestic atmosphere is also very favorable. There is a sort of consensus among political parties that agreements signed with China must be implemented. Similarly, mainstream media and public intellectuals are overwhelmingly positive about China and the implementation of agreed-upon projects. Mainstream media outlets often write news and editorials asking the government to take serious steps to take benefit from China’s BRI projects.


sanjayc
BRFite
Posts: 269
Joined: 22 Aug 2016 21:40

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby sanjayc » 30 Apr 2018 19:53

Time to make it harder for Nepalese (as well as for Maldivians) to enter India. We get nothing in return for this privilege given to them except ingratitude and arrogance. Scrap visa-free entry for these people. Erect a fence.

brvarsh
BRFite
Posts: 183
Joined: 03 Mar 2011 20:29

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby brvarsh » 01 May 2018 05:13

sanjayc wrote:Time to make it harder for Nepalese (as well as for Maldivians) to enter India. We get nothing in return for this privilege given to them except ingratitude and arrogance. Scrap visa-free entry for these people. Erect a fence.

Nope! It will be playing in the hands of Chinese. What needs to happen is we need to control and monitor who enters India and make them realize what is happening in Nepal has to change. The people crossing over to India should be our biggest asset vis-a-vis Chinese. I say the same thing needs to happen in case of Rohingyas - Why can't we re-form them to work in our favor if the gain is all they see?

Muns
BRFite
Posts: 271
Joined: 02 Mar 2001 12:31

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Muns » 07 May 2018 10:42

Guys, in the next few days Modi has got another all-important visit to Nepal. He will be visiting Janakpur and trying to unify the Hindu vote again the head of the Karnataka elections at the birthplace of Sita. He will also be inaugurating a new hydroelectric power project.

There recently was however attack on the dam trying to sabotage India's efforts. Overall a big step with India trying to open the doors to Kp Oli's government which has been perceived as pro-China in the past. Lots of recent delegate's have been traveling to Nepal including Sushma Swaraj and apparently secretly Ram Madhav as well.

Along these lines we also tried to bring out the angst of the Madhesis who really have been against the elite government in Kathmandu. Previously it has been the Madhesis that have been pro-India and to some extent anti Katmandu leading to the 2015 economic blockade which has really stimulated a lot of bitterness among the Nepalese.

To this effort we tried to really try and find out what your aam admi Madhesi really feels about the previous 2015 economic blockade and was really responsible. One of our journalists traveled to Nepal, just across the border in Kakarbhitta. This is really just across the bridge and the Mechi river that separates Nepal and India. One can really get a sense of the border lifestyle and the life that Madhesis are really living.
Previously they have been a huge support for Modi in the past.

While her answers are not really accurate when it comes to political realities they do provide an insight into the confusion that exists in your average Madhesis and may provide some insight as to how we can educate this all-important block of the Nepali population.

Some important points that do come up during the interview that should be mentioned is apparently the lack of tax or import duty when it comes to Chinese goods and a huge amount of tax related to Indian import duties.

Watch the video below and let me know what you think as well?


Confrontation Between Nepal Madhesis & Kathmandu




Will Modi’s Nepal Visit In May Ring in Good Will for Madhesis?


https://www.india-aware.com/national/wi ... -madhesis/

https://www.india-aware.com/

http://www.youtube.com/c/indiaaware

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 11 May 2018 10:45

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... i-5172245/
Two years and a blockade later, Nepal has mixed feelings for PM Modi
The two prime ministers will jointly lay foundation of the 900MW Arun III hydropower project. Again it’s important that New Delhi ensures its timely completion. A key assurance for many foreign investors willing to invest in Nepal’s hydropower is whether India will buy electricity from Nepal.

It is no secret that India will struggle to match the financial impact created by proposed Chinese investments in the infrastructure space in Nepal.

Perhaps that is why India prefers to emphasise its socio-cultural ties with Nepal since time immemorial. Modi’s visits to important Hindu shrines—Janaki Mandir in Janakpur and Pashupatinath in Kathmandu as well as the remote mountain temple of Muktinath in the high Himalayas—will showcase the fact that vast numbers of Nepalis and Indians share similar traditions and worship the same gods.

Two new international airports being constructed in Nepal—in the lake-city of Pokhara and in Bhairahawa (next to Lumbini, Buddha’s birthplace)—will mean that India must provide Nepal with additional air routes to make them commercially viable. In being seen as an open and friendly neighbour, India will most definitely see its ‘soft power’ deepen in Nepalis’ hearts and minds.

While we must not dictate the foreign policy of a sovereign state we must let them know in no uncertain terms our red-lines and cost of our co-operation on their projects.

OTOH, Nepal can always export its surplus power to China, reroute it fight through the Chinese airspace and reroute its trade with the world via BRI/CPEC. India has no right to object to unless it is expected to underwrite the Nepalese investment/economy.

The idea now is to transform the age-old multifaceted bilateral relationship to a dynamic one where Nepal feels that it is treated with the respect a sovereign nation deserves and that the relationship results in tangible benefits. Let’s us not just gloat over our “special ties” defined by shared cultures and values. That gloating has runs its course. Let’s look to redefine ties that embody our growing aspirations.

I agree. We must move away from the so called “special ties” to normalized ties and all that it entails including border control and visa. In fact my suggestion would be for India to take the lead and propose a normalized relationship now that Nepal has embraced BRI and Tibet-Nepal railway.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 11 May 2018 11:29

https://www.nepalitimes.com/here-now/a- ... l-pilgrim/
A political pilgrim

Nonetheless, given how hard Oli appears to be trying to please Modi, analysts are not optimistic.

Analyst Shreekrishna Aniruddh Gautam says: “Oli was perceived to be a rare Nepali leader who could stand up to India. But he is also wilting.

One must not read too much into such analysis because we too have a dedicated brigade of analyst who cry "Modi wilting" at the drop of the hat and will often time drop the hat themselves just to get the opportunity as we have witnessed in the India-China threads.

However, we must support a friendly Nepal with projects/developments where benefits are shared in a fair manner.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 19640
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Philip » 11 May 2018 15:32

The PM Has done v.well to interact with Mr.Oli so quickly after his election. The quick visits by both leaders augurs a good beginning.Culturally and religion-wise, India and Nepal are sister states and should have few contentious issues between them. The latest rejection by Nepal for Chin financing of a dam project is v.good news.I think they've realised that the debt trap awaits them like the Lankan disaster.

As I've earlier said, we should offer them an SEZ port facility, hugely benefiting them and further bind both cojntries together.This will also checkmate the Chinese, who have to supply them through Tibet, thousands of is away from the Chinese coast!

Aditya_V
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9873
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 16:25

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 11 May 2018 16:08

Is there any way we can 10,000 Chinese men to visit Kathmandu, totally misbehave and humiliate Nepalese with all the public to see. That would be nice.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 11 May 2018 16:51

https://www.nepalitimes.com/editorial/c ... -in-nepal/
Campaigning in Nepal

India’s bureaucracy and politicians often work themselves into a frenzy about China, believing the paranoia they themselves leak to the national media. They then export that insecurity to the neighbourhood. PM Oli understood this and played the ‘China Card’ to the hilt during the blockade, making a big deal out of the few token tankers of petroleum China donated, and signing a trade and transit deal amidst much fanfare. China’s help was actually just symbolic, and Oli hasn’t followed up on it in his current tenure.

India is China’s number one import market. Beijing is using anti-Indian sentiments in Nepal to its advantage, but did nothing to jeopardise its close trade ties with India by substantially helping Nepal during the Blockade and after. The advice from Chinese leaders to Foreign Minister Pradeep Gyawali last month was consistent with what they have told everyone from King Gyanendra to Prachanda in the past: don’t play us off against India, and sort out your relations with New Delhi. Despite the blockade, Chinese policy has not changed.

The Modi visit may be a time to remind ourselves of the economic ties between India and Nepal as well. Nepal’s trade deficit with India was almost $10 billion last year, making Nepal the tenth largest market for Indian goods. Our economic dependence on India has a direct impact on our political independence. However, Nepal is also the seventh largest source of foreign remittances into India because of the money Indian workers in Nepal send home. No one keeps count of how much money Nepali workers in India bring back.

Given this close economic relationship, why can’t India Nepal relations ever be ‘normal’? Nepal’s leaders need to be mature enough not to bait India to fan popularity at home. Nepali nationalism should not be defined by anti-Indianism.

For its part, Indian leaders must be aware of Nepali sensitivities about sovereignty, and show genuine magnanimity where they can. The overbearing attitude of Indian officials, and the fickleness of their Nepali counterparts have been the main reason for past mistrust.

Seems balanced to my way of thinking.

BTW, the first para perfectly describes much of what passes as analysis in the Indian media in line with what I had concluded on the India-China thread as "create their own scenario in their mind and then get scared of this *self-created* scenario".

I believe all our smaller neighbors should be allowed or rather encouraged to run a trade surplus with India till such merchandise is their local production and the production is owned locally or jointly with an Indian partner. I would rather have a trade deficit with Nepal/Sri Lanka/Bhutan/Myanmar/Bangladesh than China.

kiranA
BRFite
Posts: 352
Joined: 25 Dec 2016 09:37

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby kiranA » 12 May 2018 20:22

Basically India is throwing under bus all its strategic interests and is getting sweet words from Oli in return. No longer talk about Madhesis who are india's brethren , no talk about change to constitution for which a defacto embargo was imposed. Oli continues to play china card as he choses it is China which called his bluff not India. I believe india should first take a painful study of what exactly is its policy with Nepal and then stick with it. This furious U turns make india look weak.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 12 May 2018 21:40

He .. he ... when hormones rule logic goes out of the window ... This is not the first time that this is being pointed out but folks are still either anti-Modi or too impressed by China to think straight .... n-jaaaay ...

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/i ... 2018-05-12
In PM Modi's visit, India gears up to counter China's growing presence in Nepal
What turns the balance in favour of India vis-a-vis China is the fact that Nepal shares a difficult terrain with China, unlike the easily accessible borders with India.

<snip>

Besides this, in 2016, to counter China, India's Central Electricity Regulatory Commission (CERC) amended its rules regarding buying electricity from another country.

It had an impact on two major Chinese projects. Sources in Kathmandu say the 900MW Budhi-Gandaki project which first was given to China, was scrapped by the Deuba government with Kamal Thapa as the Energy Minister.

During his election campaign, Oli had promised that the project will be given to China again. However, owing to the growing opposition from various political parties and the public, opinion is growing in favour that Nepal should build the project itself.

The other Chinese project that is facing roadblocks is the Waste Seti 760 MW project. Sources say China wants to pull out of it due to logistical and pricing issues.

But, one of the primary reasons is India's presence, they say, adding that China is reluctant to pursue the project because it won't be viable if India refuses to buy the electricity generated
.

Jagraphy matters .. and distance from market dictates economics of any project.

They would rather cry about the Chinese dlagon eating India up. Pure panic than logic if you ask me. Some beepul will never grow up and think. And no matter how many time you explain they never get it.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 12 May 2018 21:51

Read a while back that Oli requested for a 1-on-1 with Modi with NO officials when he was in India last. I don't have a clue what was discussed but I can bet it was Modi who was dictating terms while uttering sweet nothings in public.

At that time it did not seem that important but now I see folks still don't get Indian levers in our neighborhood expect for Bakistan which has a death wish in any case.

chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17710
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 12 May 2018 22:06

pankajs wrote:Read a while back that Oli requested for a 1-on-1 with Modi with NO officials when he was in India last. I don't have a clue what was discussed but I can bet it was Modi who was dictating terms while uttering sweet nothings in public.

At that time it did not seem that important but now I see folks still don't get Indian levers in our neighborhood expect for Bakistan which has a death wish in any case.


They are playing us, just like our other grasping "neighbours".

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 12 May 2018 22:12

A Nepalese assessment.

https://www.nepalitimes.com/banner/a-modi-fied-oli/
A Modi-fied Oli
But what did Oli gain? He perhaps got Modi’s promise that New Delhi will not create trouble for his government, and will support him even if Maoist Chair Pushpa Kamal Dahal parts ways. He has also established himself as a national leader in Province 2 where he was widely despised.

However, observers note, Oli has lost much of the political capital he had made out of standing up to India. He has lost the nationalist credentials he garnered during the Blockade and elections. Oli is a Modi-fied man.

<snip>

After two days of political meetings and pilgrimages, Modi has been able to send across multiple messages: he cares for Hindus, is loved by not just Indians but also Nepalis, Kathmandu is closer to New Delhi than to China and Nepal-India ties have been reset.

Now the 1-on-1 with Modi makes sense. One must remember that the request was from Oli and not Modi.

kiranA
BRFite
Posts: 352
Joined: 25 Dec 2016 09:37

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby kiranA » 12 May 2018 22:57

Nepal is a land locked ultra poverty stricken country with no resources of any sort and surrounded by wilderness on north.

What leverage such a country really has? Nevertheless even it plays India and India is unable to get them to do even fair things like treating Madhesis with dignity.

I really don’t understand how things came to such a pass. And it is not just me even Bharat karnad is wondering the same in another article posted in foreign policy thread.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 13 May 2018 07:52

From someone who not long back wanted states within the Union of India to be allowed to run independent Foreign policy to now want GOI to forcefully intervene in Nepal on behalf of Madhesis is strange to say the least.

If folks do not understand this cry for Foreign policy autonomy at the state level lets do a few scenario analysis. Imagine West Bengal joining BRI which GOI is opposed to or Punjab joining CPEC when GOI is opposed to it or Tamil Nadu talking of creating a Tamil Eelam in Sri Lanka while GOI keeps insisting on a united Sri Lanka. How about Bihar taking up the cause of the Madhesis independence while GOI talks of a united Nepal?

We should let Nepalese settle their internal problems while looking to build on relationship with the whole country. Trying to push the agenda of one community will only lead to further distance between India and the rest of Nepal. That cannot benefit India but only create further opportunities for China in Nepal. Whatever little pushing has to be done has to be done in private.

srin
BRFite
Posts: 1573
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:13

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby srin » 13 May 2018 12:05

It's hard not to be condescending towards what passes for Nepali polity and intelligentsia. They are attempting (and failing miserably) a blackmail sort of what TSP does to US. I understand some of their grievances, esp over the influence we have there and a fear that we look at them as a province than as an independent nation, but they need to understand where our red lines lie. If they don't like us, they are going like Chinese even less.

IMHO, the significance of Nepal is a buffer against China, sort of canary, so that we don't have to peacetime deploy troops on the border there.
If that premise fails because China and Nepal are feeling very chummy, we've enough leverage.

Worst case, we just shut shop in Nepal, shut the border and introduce visa and workpermits ... and their economy is just gone. We won't even notice it much (except in border districts of UP and Bihar).

We've put up with the tantrums, but I don't think they'll push us too much.

nvishal
BRFite
Posts: 736
Joined: 14 Aug 2010 18:03

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby nvishal » 13 May 2018 13:04

The unhealthy fixation of India towards Nepal is bizzare. It is one-sided and unwanted.

Going by the gossipers on internet comment sections, the so-called "indian" fixation is actually a fixation of some castes of UP Bihar and bengali origin. It's possible that these castes have a large diaspora there and are influencing India policy makers to interfere in Nepal's politics just as Tamils do in srilanka.

If modi wants to build ties with Nepal, he needs to approach them with business. All these filmi comments like, "they are family", "I will be your Sherpa" etc are rubbish.

I strongly suspect that indian policy makers base their work around the world of bollywood movies.

The world of imagination(bollywood) cannot comprehend realpolitics(most of the world). I think Indians have a problem accepting realpolitics. The first step is to acknowledge it.

rsingh
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3319
Joined: 19 Jan 2005 01:05
Location: Pindi
Contact:

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby rsingh » 13 May 2018 22:05

I think that SAARC thing has made them feel important. Saarc has to go and let see who invites them apart china.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 05 Jul 2018 17:52

Ignore the headline.
https://theprint.in/opinion/global-prin ... dia/78694/
After PM Oli’s return from Beijing, Nepal thinks China is the new India

An eminent persons group (EPG) set up by the prime ministers of India and Nepal two years ago has agreed to overhaul the 1950 Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which means that the end is nigh for the “special relationship” between the two neighbours.

If the report is accepted, Nepal will be allowed to buy arms and ammunition from a third country (read: China) without having it routed through India, as stated in Clause 5 of the 1950 Treaty.

Second, the “equal treatment” clause that has governed the relationship, in terms of buying property or engaging in trade and commerce, will be abolished. Nepalis working in India – there are an estimated seven lakh – will have to get special permits, as will Indians in Nepal.

Third, India and Nepal will have no need to inform each other of any “serious friction or misunderstanding” that either of them has with any of the neighbours.

The finalisation of the India-Nepal report comes soon after Nepal PM K.P. Oli returned home from China, where the Chinese leadership promised to loosen its purse-strings and even fund a railway from Tibet to Kathmandu over the high Himalaya.

The EPG will now submit this report to their respective governments. If both Delhi and Kathmandu accept it, it will amount to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. {Open border no more}

<snip>

To transform the open border – an ideal that all of South Asia must strive for – and put thousands and thousands of people into more than a spot of bother because of the worsening security situation can hardly be the solution. {Liberals want open borders}

<snip>

Certainly, the discontent will go up manifold. Remember the unfinished rebellion in the Madhes region three years ago? Imagine if the discontent spreads beyond Madhes and across the entire open border between India and Nepal, including the region bordering Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and Uttarakhand. {Fake concern. The impact on Nepal would be high of a future Madhes issue but will be minimal on India.}

<snip>

It is imperative that Delhi and Kathmandu talk to each other and find a way out. Terrorism is a reality of our times, but documentation and identity cards are not. As the largest country in South Asia, India must apply the Nepal model to the rest of its neighbours, and not diminish what is already working. {Fake liberals want India to be open to all including Bakistan}

So when the EPG report is handed over to the two prime ministers, Oli and Narendra Modi, they must ensure that it goes into the bottom drawer of a cupboard in a room far away. Modi and Oli have much more important work to do.

Delhi should accept the report pronto and start devising mechanism to control border flow/trade. After all the Nepalese have declared a time frame of 5 years to complete the Trans-Himalayan line connecting Kathmandu to Tibet. We can't allow Nepal to be the route for dumping Chinese good s into India.

pankajs
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10443
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:56

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 23 Jul 2018 21:58

Sidhant Sibal @sidhant

Vice Foreign Minister of China Kong Xuanyou visits Bhutan; Meets the Bhutan's King & PM.pic.twitter.com/RzxV4WyF0z

Image

Muns
BRFite
Posts: 271
Joined: 02 Mar 2001 12:31

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Muns » 05 Sep 2018 10:59

Folks, as part of our psyops series on Nepal, we finally managed to find a Nepali working in India who built himself up from scratch and praises the Indian system for giving him the opportunity to do so. In the video below find that, a young Nepali left Kapilavastu in Nepal before journeying to Delhi and starting up a business on his own. He details his struggles especially when trying to find funds to start his own dream in India as a young man..

Through the video he repeatedly praises the Indian system for allowing him the opportunity to do so. He praises the Modi government for working for the youth. On tough questions such as why did the Nepali media turn against to bite the Indian hand feeding them, he responds graciously with misunderstandings among Nepali's in a crisis situation.

In any case it's a lot of good fodder to the vitriol spewed by many elite Katmandu Nepalis against Indians. All propped up by Chinese propaganda of course.

Think of it if many more Nepali's, emigrate to India to set up businesses and become a success, it can breed a string of new breed Nepalis extremely favorable towards India, having both loyalties to both countries. In any case, let me know what you think. The business installed office called your us productions teaching dance and theater as well as hosting out a bunch of ancillary services including videography for weddings and events among other services.

The success story of Nepalis in India (2018)



https://www.india-aware.com/

http://www.youtube.com/c/indiaaware

Rahul M
Forum Moderator
Posts: 16451
Joined: 17 Aug 2005 21:09
Location: woh log gawad hai, unpad hai !
Contact:

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Rahul M » 05 Sep 2018 19:42

Better not call it psyops when it's fact. Good show !

ricky_v
BRFite
Posts: 264
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ricky_v » 10 Sep 2018 18:32

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/nepal-not-to-join-bimstec-military-drill-in-india/articleshow/65733874.cms
The Nepal Army has withdrawn from the first BIMSTEC military exercise to be held in India following a political row in the country over the participation in the event, a media report said on Saturday. The Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation (BIMSTEC) is a regional grouping comprising Bangladesh, India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Bhutan and Nepal.

Prem
BRF Oldie
Posts: 20905
Joined: 01 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: Weighing and Waiting 8T Yconomy

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Prem » 11 Sep 2018 00:26

ricky_v wrote:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/nepal-not-to-join-bimstec-military-drill-in-india/articleshow/65733874.cms
The Nepal Army has withdrawn from the first BIMSTEC military exercise to be held in India following a political row in the country over the participation in the event, a media report said on Saturday. The Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation (BIMSTEC) is a regional grouping comprising Bangladesh, India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Bhutan and Nepal.


Does it mean they wont be part of BIMSTEC thus not needing sea port in Bay of Bengal ?.

chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17710
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 11:42

Is the fine hand of the skulking cheeni visible to all??

This is payback for doklam.

It is meant to be a huge loss of face for India. Culturally, we are not that big on "face" as the hans are.

It certainly is a future indication of things to come.

Time for border controls is now.



Nepal pulls out of BIMSTEC military drill, India says move ‘not convincing’



Nepal pulls out of BIMSTEC military drill, India says move ‘not convincing’

Nepal’s decision to pull out came just over a week after Kathmandu hosted a significant summit of Bimstec countries, which was attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Sep 11, 2018
Prashant Jha


India has expressed its displeasure at Nepal deciding to merely be an observer in a scheduled joint military exercise of Bimstec (Bay of Bengal Initiative for Multi-Sectoral Technical and Economic Cooperation) countries which kicked off in Pune on Monday, after having made a commitment to participate.

According to a person familiar with the development, New Delhi has told Kathmandu that its decision is not appropriate and its explanation of internal political pressure is “not convincing”. Nepal’s decision, conveyed on Friday, has put India and the regional grouping in an “embarrassing position”, added this person, who asked not to be identified.

Officially, neither the Ministry of External Affairs nor the Ministry of Defence have yet commented on the issue of Nepal’s withdrawal as a full participant. A government official said on condition of anonymity that participation depended entirely on the comfort level of participating countries.

Nepal’s decision to pull out came just over a week after Kathmandu hosted a significant summit of Bimstec countries, which was attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Bimstec member states include India, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Thailand. The exercise opened on Monday. An army spokesperson said its aim was to enhance Bimstec cooperation in planning and conduct of counter terrorist operations. “The exercise schedule is focused upon learning of best practices, team building & special tactical level operations in a counter-terrorist environment in semi urban setting.”

On Friday, Nepal PM KP Oli called the Indian ambassador, Manjeev Singh Puri, in Kathmandu and conveyed to him Nepal’s inability to participate in the exercise, the first person said. Oli cited “internal political pressure”, according to this person. There has been criticism in both the Nepali political sphere, and in the media, of the country’s involvement in the exercise with arguments centred on how the participation itself was shrouded in secrecy. Puri did not comment on whether he had been called in for such a meeting.

But Delhi was not happy with the explanation and conveyed it to the Nepali leadership, the first person added.

Distilling the Indian message that had been conveyed at the political level, the person quoted above said, “The Indian position is this was something in the works for a while. Nepal had agreed. A planning meeting was held much earlier. PM Modi mentioned it in his speech in Kathmandu in front of everyone on August 30. And suddenly, the Nepal government pulled out. It put everyone, including India, in an embarrassing position.”

The Indian side also expressed surprise at Oli’s specific reason of political pressure. “This is a strong government. It has a two-thirds majority. One chairman of the party, Pushpa Kamal Dahal ‘Prachanda’, was in Delhi. The other chairman is the PM who claimed that this is not something he wanted to do,” said the person quoted above, outlining the view in Delhi. “At the level of the government, you can’t give into what anyone says.”

The Nepal embassy in New Delhi did not comment on the issue.

India and Nepal have seen a substantial improvement in ties in recent months, with frequent high-level exchanges. Modi visited Kathmandu and Janakpur in June on a bilateral visit, and was in the Nepali capital for the fourth time in his tenure for the Bimstec summit.

A former Indian ambassador to the country, who did not wish to be named, said, “This will not cause any rupture. But in diplomacy, trust deficit slowly builds up. Just see events over the last few days. On one hand, Nepal signs an additional protocol and gains access to Chinese ports; on the other hand, it refuses to participate in an exercise in India that involves India. The signalling is not good.”

chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17710
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 12:04

Well, there is no doubt at all about the skulking cheeni hand.

It is very clearly visible now.

Insult to injury: Nepal to now join military drill with China


Insult to injury: Nepal to now join military drill with China


Nepal and China will participate in a joint military exercise, Sagarmatha Friendship-2, from September 17 to 28 in Chengdu.

According to reports, Nepal is not pleased with attempts by India to boost security and defence cooperation within BIMSTEC.

Nepal's decision to pull out of the joint Bimstec military drill + in Pune couldn't have come at a worse time for India with the Nepal army set to participate in a 12-day long military exercise with China later this month.

Nepal Army spokesperson Brig Gen Gokul Bhandaree told TOI on Monday that the second such joint exercise with China, Sagarmatha Friendship-2, was going to take place from September 17 to 28 in Chengdu.

"The main focus of the exercise is going to be on counter-terror operations," said Bhandaree

nvishal
BRFite
Posts: 736
Joined: 14 Aug 2010 18:03

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby nvishal » 11 Sep 2018 13:10

^ Nepal is a sovereign country. Instead of treating it like a lackey(like how pak does with afg), you should respect its decisions as a sovereign state.

I see some resemblance in Indians crying over Nepal and the way Britain's cry over India wrt ISRO missions. It's pathetic.

There is a lack of realpolitiks and a difficulty in acknowledging what you see.

chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 17710
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 14:00

Nepal seems confused and is juggling simultaneously with many decks of cards, all seemingly linked back to the puppet master.

In the shadow of their new found benefactor, they seem very eager to please, raring to punch very much above their weight class, keen to show their loyalty to their new friend.

The pressure to "revive" the SAARC process can only come from one source, "the elephant in the room" puppet master once again. Nepal has it's marching orders to try and scuttle BIMSTEC by reviving SAARC where the hans will now have two dedicated sponsors.

Let us hope that they are equally eager to handle the blowback that always occurs when such disparate "partners" enter economic and military matrimony.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/insult-to-injury-nepal-to-now-join-military-drill-with-china/articleshow/65759034.cms


That Modi government has also been under pressure from Nepal to unblock the Saarc summit process. Oli had taken up the issue with Modi during his visit to India in April. India though remains reluctant as the next summit is to be held in Pakistan. In an interview to ToI during his visit to India, Oli had said that SAARC had a future because it was the common initiative of the leaders of the region who had nurtured that platform of regional cooperation for the past 3 decades.

"Everyone also knows that the Saarc summit that was supposed to be held in Pakistan in 2016 has been postponed. Nepal, as the current Chair of Saarc, desires to see that we are able to revive the process. However, we are fully aware that this cannot happen unless every Saarc member desires so unanimously," Oli had said.

yensoy
BRFite
Posts: 997
Joined: 29 May 2002 11:31
Location: USA

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby yensoy » 11 Sep 2018 14:24

nvishal wrote:^ Nepal is a sovereign country. Instead of treating it like a lackey(like how pak does with afg), you should respect its decisions as a sovereign state.

I see some resemblance in Indians crying over Nepal and the way Britain's cry over India wrt ISRO missions. It's pathetic.

There is a lack of realpolitiks and a difficulty in acknowledging what you see.


No issues, it's time to revisit the free movement and open border. Let's start with a fence and passport checks first to make sure only Nepalis are enjoying the open border and not any riff-raff they let into their country. Then we roll out Phase-II which would be to register all Nepalis in India, bring them within the ambit of Adhaar, IT etc; after which we reduce the full freedom to say a 360 day permission to stay; after which... We have enough tools for a graded response while keeping our own human interests from being harmed (Nepali citizens in the army, Indian settlers in Nepal).

nam
BRFite
Posts: 1574
Joined: 05 Jan 2017 20:48

Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby nam » 11 Sep 2018 14:26

Nepal is ruled by Communist parties. Do people expect them to not lean towards Chinese, who are also communist? When we cannot prevent our own communist from being anything but pro-India, why such a expectation from Nepal?

Let them deal with Chinese as they want. In the bigger scheme of things it makes no difference to us. With the way Chinese take over things, soon there will be anti-Chinese feeling and a non-Communist government will come up.

Let's stop rodha dhona. GoI can maintain it's stand and they can maintain theirs. GoI should encourage Nepal to be more hostile and ask them to publicly call for work & stay privileges for Nepalese to be discontinued.


Return to “Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: ArjunPandit, L Ram and 33 guests