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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 14:42

nam wrote:Nepal is ruled by Communist parties. Do people expect them to not lean towards Chinese, who are also communist? When we cannot prevent our own communist from being anything but pro-India, why such a expectation from Nepal?

Let them deal with Chinese as they want. In the bigger scheme of things it makes no difference to us. With the way Chinese take over things, soon there will be anti-Chinese feeling and a non-Communist government will come up.

Let's stop rodha dhona. GoI can maintain it's stand and they can maintain theirs. GoI should encourage Nepal to be more hostile and ask them to publicly call for work & stay privileges for Nepalese to be discontinued.


yechury was foolishly employed by the then GoI to help "resolve" the nepal issue and he, on direct han orders, slyly helped to set up prachanda in power.

Indian commies take orders directly from peking so the hans created this monster. We can undo it all by putting the nepali commies in their rightful place, the garbage bin where the Indian commies currently reside.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby nam » 11 Sep 2018 15:08

chetak wrote:Indian commies take orders directly from peking so the hans created this monster. We can undo it all by putting the nepali commies in their rightful place, the garbage bin where the Indian commies currently reside.


Commies in Nepal get their support from the same base as our commies do. Rural and poor areas. To remove them, Nepal has to see prosperity. In a way, if we can do this using Chinese money, it is all the better.

We need to make sure, Nepal retains it's Hindu identity and elections. GoI should encourage Indian pilgrimage in to Nepal, so that there is always a religious link and economic reason. GoI should not give any reason for Nepali commies to use it against us.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 15:36

nam wrote:
chetak wrote:Indian commies take orders directly from peking so the hans created this monster. We can undo it all by putting the nepali commies in their rightful place, the garbage bin where the Indian commies currently reside.


Commies in Nepal get their support from the same base as our commies do. Rural and poor areas. To remove them, Nepal has to see prosperity. In a way, if we can do this using Chinese money, it is all the better.

We need to make sure, Nepal retains it's Hindu identity and elections. GoI should encourage Indian pilgrimage in to Nepal, so that there is always a religious link and economic reason. GoI should not give any reason for Nepali commies to use it against us.


We need to make sure, Nepal retains it's Hindu identity

That ship has already sailed.

By their own amended constitution, they are in the fatal grip of conversion hungry padres who have already converted a whole lot of these guys.

Next step will be to link up with the similarly converted Indian NE and a new great game may soon begin to espouse the demand of a separate state, just like they prised away east timor.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby rsingh » 11 Sep 2018 18:29

There has to be some operation clean-up. It is not that late. Maldives can be tamed in one morning and Nepal within one week. World does not care about dictators. We have to explain our National security requirements. we have to explain that such corrections are needed in order to avoid future big wars. Wish IG was still around.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 18:34

rsingh wrote:There has to be some operation clean-up. It is not that late. Maldives can be tamed in one morning and Nepal within one week. World does not care about dictators. We have to explain our National security requirements. we have to explain that such corrections are needed in order to avoid future big wars. Wish IG was still around.


why IG??

her cowboy son would have done it by now.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ricky_v » 11 Sep 2018 18:54

I am all for treating Nepals decision as one taken in its own interests, but every action has consequences which the nepalis have forgotten because we do not enforce them enough. It is ok if they wish to train with china, mozambique,samoa, we should have no issue with it; but then the molly coddling from delhi should stop in terms of port access, freeloading of their people ityadi depending on our interest, all in the name of treating them as adults,not "doodh-paks"(one possessing milk teeth).

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby rsingh » 11 Sep 2018 19:23

Well, I have no problem if Samoa and China are doing Chuma-Chmi. It is about Nepal and it hurts us directly because of open borders. It is like some blood thirsty gang is getting access to your house through servent quarters. Leaders of these countries do not take decisions for good of the country, they are made to take such decisions by Chinese. We can not play ignorant here. We have to take actions, show our resolve and make sure nobody dare to harm our national securities.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 19:31

ricky_v wrote:I am all for treating Nepals decision as one taken in its own interests, but every action has consequences which the nepalis have forgotten because we do not enforce them enough. It is ok if they wish to train with china, mozambique,samoa, we should have no issue with it; but then the molly coddling from delhi should stop in terms of port access, freeloading of their people ityadi depending on our interest, all in the name of treating them as adults,not "doodh-paks"(one possessing milk teeth).



There are 2 nepals. The working class which is, by and large, making a living in India and the educated class also benefitting from India and which is hell bent on making trouble for us.

We need to recognise this but not to deal with them separately. A one size fits all policy should work well.

Border controls, work permits, income tax and limited access visas. We should accept nepali reciprocity in all of the above.

good luck with their cheeni affairs. They will quickly make KY jelly as one of their big duty free imports.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ricky_v » 11 Sep 2018 19:49

rsingh sir, i actually agree with you, i gave examples of ludicrous places to make the same point. In a great world, india would tell nepal and neighbours to jump and they would only ask by how much, but that is not the case now(or ever).
Chetak sir, i have experience of these two faced cretins as there were many nepalis in my college. They were like the pakis in many aspects concerning us, extremely jealous of our any and all achievements, belittling of our customs as weird, instigating a feeling of despondency with regards to our leadership(before modi), and all around behaving like termites. They wanted to live in our country but at the same time behaved as they were doing us a favour of sorts and liked to behave as bhura sahibs, what with their commenting on our social condition and so forth. None of us took their sh*t for long though, and they confined them to themselves.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Sep 2018 20:29

ricky_v wrote:rsingh sir, i actually agree with you, i gave examples of ludicrous places to make the same point. In a great world, india would tell nepal and neighbours to jump and they would only ask by how much, but that is not the case now(or ever).
Chetak sir, i have experience of these two faced cretins as there were many nepalis in my college. They were like the pakis in many aspects concerning us, extremely jealous of our any and all achievements, belittling of our customs as weird, instigating a feeling of despondency with regards to our leadership(before modi), and all around behaving like termites. They wanted to live in our country but at the same time behaved as they were doing us a favour of sorts and liked to behave as bhura sahibs, what with their commenting on our social condition and so forth. None of us took their sh*t for long though, and they confined them to themselves.


ricky_v saar,

I had to deal with rich, upper class, opinionated, anti India nepali airline pilots.

They think no end of themselves.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 11 Sep 2018 21:16

I too have a couple of unfavourable experiences with Nepalis, and some favourable and neutral ones. They don't in general have that quick witted ability Indians often display. You won't hear those grand, philosophical, expressions Indians are known for; they are this earth earthy! There is one highly educated Indian journalist of Nepalese origin, Vijay Singh Thapa, who is as eloquent and sophisticated as any equivalent Indian you can meet.His article in "India Today from 1993" titled "Winds of Change" about a sub-ethnic group in Ladakh near the Tibetan/Chinese border, is as brilliant as anything you'll see in Indian journalism. He must be a very naturalised and Indianised Nepali! Dismaying to hear that educated Nepalese in India can be so anti-India, petty, small, jealous.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby nvishal » 11 Sep 2018 21:16

I don't understand why many Indians have desires to help a nepal, a srilanka or a Bangladesh. It's as if these indians refuse to acknowledge the partition. They have not gasped the basics of that event.

This dhramic-dharmic nonsense has clogged up the minds of too many Indians. They have an alternate worldview which is contrast to reality. I doubt if they really understood what it meant when the sinhalas leased the hambantota port to the chinese for 99 years. I bet they told themselves that srilanka was a dharmic state and overlooked it just like that.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby yensoy » 11 Sep 2018 21:39

^^^^ Because there are a lot of people in Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bangladesh who are pro India. Do you want to piss them off as well?

We have to be very careful, nuanced and accommodating in dealing with our frenemy neighbours. They are much smaller economies, and human pride means that they will pick on India for one reason or another in a mano-a-mano situation. If a Sri Lankan says "India is dirty and we are so clean" there may be some truth in it but he is saying so because by all other metrics his country is nothing. Duck this provocation, "smile and wave".

Don't forget we have a large Gurkha contingent in the army (both Indian and Nepali nationals). They fight on our side, and they fight to the last man.

We have some specific interests. We don't want Nepal to be a conduit for Pakis - either we increase our covert presence in Nepal, or we build a fence. Pakis can slink through, Chinese will get noticed. They want a fling with the Chinese? Let them go ahead and get burnt, as they surely will. As they get closer to the Chinese, we start treating them like adults; however we do it in the most reasonable manner - we lay out a roadmap identifying restrictions well ahead of time "we will provide free visa on arrival at the border for a 360 day period, starting 2020" - this specific act looks highly reasonable, however it will mean that every Nepali will have to step out of India once a year. We need to calibrate our response, not just lash out.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby rsingh » 11 Sep 2018 21:49

i actually agree with you, i gave examples of ludicrous places to make the same point. In a great world, india would tell nepal and neighbours to jump and they would only ask by how much, but that is not the case now(or ever).


They will jump and dans as well. We have never tried. We take things lightly until it is too late. what is our threshold ? Chinese Army headquarter in Kathmandu?

Don't forget we have a large Gurkha contingent in the army (both Indian and Nepali nationals). They fight on our side, and they fight to the last man.

Fine example of holding the bull from wrong end. What about Gurkhas whose brother in Nepali army is training with Chinese?

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ricky_v » 11 Sep 2018 23:09

Going on a tangent, I recently watched a documentary on how dogs were raised to be what they are today and it made me sad..... to realize how much potential resources are just wasted by us. As the saying in english goes, "every man for a job", we follow the path of "jack of all trades, dharmic candidates need only apply". Take the case of pakis, it is in their mandate to be a watch dog,to do as his master bids and to just forget about the pesky nuisance of building anything meaningful for themselves; but what do we do instead, we look at the creature in disgust and mouth inanities about righteousness. Pakis are, for better or worse our in in the great game, they certainly are for iranis. So if there is a job about bitching and moaning about how life is unfair, and how big brothers are bad, nepalis are the best fit for it.
This brings me to the indian concept of big brother. In our context, we have a system of doodh-pak/bhath (possessing milk teeth). In any game that is played anywhere in our country, any young'un can ask to play no matter the age group of the people currently playing; at the end of the game, there is a special game like just 1 over underhand, with the field in just for the kid. Nobody questions it, it is like a social contract. I have been on both the ends on numerous occasions, and not once has anybody violated this contract. If the cretins are chaffing at this baby-like treatment, then mayhaps they are better off with allies like chinis.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby sanjaykumar » 14 Sep 2018 04:48

The fact is Nepal would be an average country in Africa. Per capita GDP, literacy, infant mortality. Only less industrialised.

Bangladesh has twice the per capita income. So the Nepalis are Hindus and buddhists. The only thing that means is that they are in even greater shame.

Indians have nothing against Gurkhas. They have done hard dangerous work. But India needs to pay more attention to Bangladesh. They deserve greater Indian solicitation and can provide markets as well as security to the NE.

Let Nepal learn from Tibet for a decade.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby brvarsh » 14 Sep 2018 06:14

sanjaykumar wrote:The fact is Nepal would be an average country in Africa. Per capita GDP, literacy, infant mortality. Only less industrialised.

Bangladesh has twice the per capita income. So the Nepalis are Hindus and buddhists. The only thing that means is that they are in even greater shame.

Indians have nothing against Gurkhas. They have done hard dangerous work. But India needs to pay more attention to Bangladesh. They deserve greater Indian solicitation and can provide markets as well as security to the NE.

Let Nepal learn from Tibet for a decade.

India's returns on investment will be much higher in Nepal than it would ever be in Bangladesh. No matter what you do, elements in Bangladesh who are opposed to India and stooges of Pakistan can never be subdued to a level that can give India some confidence, while in Nepal. similar elements can be shrunk to barely any political relevance. In Nepal being a Hindu country does give India a leverage that is difficult in Bangladesh. Appalling is that China and Pakistan and some western powers have been playing this dirty game right in our backyards for so long and we did not wake up.

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Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Peregrine » 23 Sep 2018 20:08

Nepal restores $2.5 billion hydropower plant contract to Chinese firm

Nepal’s new government has reversed its predecessor's decision and has asked China Gezhouba Group Corporation to build the nation’s biggest hydropower plant, an official said on Sunday, as it seeks to woo Chinese investment in its ailing infrastructure.

The $2.5 billion deal with the Gezhouba Group to build the Budhi Gandaki hydroelectric project was scrapped last year by the previous government, citing lapses in the award process. State-run Nepal Electricity Authority (NEA) was to have built it.

But Prime Minister K.P. Sharma Oli, seen as China friendly, pledged to revert the project to the Chinese company if he was elected to power in last year’s elections. Oli became prime minister in February after his Nepal Communist Party scored a landslide poll victory.

“Yes, the Budhi Gandaki has been given back to the Gezhouba Group,” said Roshan Khadka, an aide to Energy Minister Barsa Man Pun. “It is ... restoring the project to the Chinese company,” Khadka told Reuters. He did not give further details of the decision taken by the cabinet on Friday night.

China and India are both jostling for influence in Nepal by providing aid and investment in infrastructure projects.

Officials said a formal construction deal will be signed on the hydropower project after the government had negotiated the project modalities with the Chinese company. No date for this was given.

Nepal’s rivers, cascading from the snow-capped Himalayas, have vast, untapped potentialfor hydropower generation, but lack of funds has made Nepal lean on neighbour India to meet annual power demand of 1,400 megawatts (MW).

The 1,200 MW plant on Budhi Gandakiriver, about 50 km (32 miles) west of Kathmandu, is meant to address acute power shortages that has marred economic growth in one of the poorest countries in the world.

Critics say the project should have been open for international bidding instead of being entrusted to the Chinese company.

Officials of the Chinese company were not immediately available for comment.

Nepal wants the Budhi Gandaki project to be part of the Belt and Road initiative (BRI), President Xi Jinping’s landmark scheme to connect China to the rest of Asia and beyond, to which it signed up last year.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ricky_v » 23 Sep 2018 22:02

A bit dated but relevanthttps://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/nepal-bangladesh-ink-mou-on-hydropower-exchange-118081001337_1.html
Nepalese Energy Minister Pun said that the government of Bangladesh is willing to immediately purchase 500 MWs of power from Nepal as part of the MoU.
The energy ministers of the two nations said that they will also hold talks with India on the issues of transmission lines.

I think other posters have already opined that nepal export the electricity to china if they are so insistent on chinese investment.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Bart S » 24 Sep 2018 01:38

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 389_1.html

Principal of a private school in Nepal's Sunsari district, who was murdered on September 20, has been identified as the ringleader of terror outfit Indian Mujahideen, confirmed the sources in the Nepali Police.

Khurshid Alam, who was working as the Principal of Raiyan National School, was shot dead by unknown bike-borne assailants.

Alam was shot in his head, abdomen and legs. The attackers fled the site, which is seven kilometre from the Indian territory. Alam died on the spot.

"He is publicly identified as Khurshid Alam. He was on the radar of Indian Intelligence as he was suspected to be involved in the 1993 Mumbai attack. The Indian government, about two decades ago, requested the Nepal government to hand over him to them which could not happen as Nepal denied," a high-level police source confirmed to ANI.

New Delhi urged Kathmandu to hand him over when Bamdev Gautam of the then Communist Party of Nepal- Unified Marxist Leninist (CPN-UML) was the Home Minister.

"Bamdev Gautam also rejected the proposal of the Indian government to hand him over, and now he is killed," the source added. Alam had taken the membership of the CPN-UML during the political upheaval in Nepal.

The Indian government, at that time, in co-operation with the Intelligence Bureau, also gave the location details and other relevant information to the Nepal government, informing that Alam was involved in terrorist activities.

Alam, who was also a cleric, had also sheltered four other suspects of Mumbai terror attack and helped them to fly over to the Middle East countries by arranging passports for them.


Well, good riddance finally, but it's clear that the commie scum in Nepal needs to go. It's one thing if they want Chinese investment and ties and try to rub that in our face to prop up their ego, but hosting and shielding Paki terrorists is simply unacceptable. :evil:

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby pankajs » 24 Sep 2018 17:13

ricky_v wrote:A bit dated but relevanthttps://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/nepal-bangladesh-ink-mou-on-hydropower-exchange-118081001337_1.html
Nepalese Energy Minister Pun said that the government of Bangladesh is willing to immediately purchase 500 MWs of power from Nepal as part of the MoU.
The energy ministers of the two nations said that they will also hold talks with India on the issues of transmission lines.

I think other posters have already opined that nepal export the electricity to china if they are so insistent on chinese investment.

:rotfl: Why talk to India about a deal between China, Nepal and Bangladesh? Please please leave us alone.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 24 Sep 2018 18:51

Bart S wrote:Well, good riddance finally, but it's clear that the commie scum in Nepal needs to go. It's one thing if they want Chinese investment and ties and try to rub that in our face to prop up their ego, but hosting and shielding Paki terrorists is simply unacceptable. :evil:

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby sanjaykumar » 24 Sep 2018 19:19

Nepal should avail of the trade transit facilities and run transmission lines across to south China, across the Lombok straits and north to the Bay of Bengal to Bangladesh.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Muns » 28 Sep 2018 06:34

I think everybody realizes how important land borders with Nepal and China really are. Nepal's Hydro potential as well as untapped resources of the Himalayas are really all within China's grasp. All it takes is some Chinese communist leader to say that Himalayan salt is the new aphrodisiac akin to rhino horn and within a decade Chomolungma would've collapsed to half its height. Not to mention if many more of our sacred peaks ala Kailash that come under Chinese control. We've already seen with the Chinese are trying to do by occupying the heights in Bhutan.

One thing that I feel that we haven't really exploited as well as we have is the division between the Madesh region and elite of Katmandu. I have no doubt in my mind that Chinese really have put out vast sums of money in trying to buy out much of the elite of Kathmandu. It seems that tacitly supporting madesh and madeshis so far has really not worked.The elite of Kathmandu have cried hoarse at such interference, calling it the sikkimization of Nepal. However what about enlarging India support base when it comes to RSS activity in Nepal.

Something that is really not talked about. A few years ago the RSS was said to be making vast strides all Nepal. However information is hard to come by. An Indian back political party, with grass roots supported by the RSS could steadily make inroads not only through madesh, but even up to Katmandu itself. This supported by close to 3 million Nepalis were made a home for themselves in India. Not really a far-fetched idea, when it comes to changing some of the anti-India rhetoric of Nepal.

We have tried to bring out a lot of content regarding Nepal, in a similar vein. However contacts are hard to come by. If any of you have contacts to bring out such stories, please let us know.

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