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The curious case of the Mustang incident

https://www.recordnepal.com/wire/curiou ... -incident/
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https://swarajyamag.com/world/the-himal ... f-meetings
The Himalayan Chill In India-Nepal Ties Is Blowing Over With Both Sides Lining Up Series Of Meetings
India-Nepal ties, which had been damaged by Nepal Prime Minister Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli’s jingoism (read this), is finally set for a course correction with Kathmandu initiating conciliatory measures.

A number of high-level exchanges between the two countries are being scheduled after Oli jettisoned the anti-India stance he had adopted to stave off a grave political crisis within his Nepal Communist Party (NCP).

Oli broke the ice by placing a call to Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Independence Day (15 August). This call was preceded by a tweet by Oli greeting Modi and the people of India on the eve of Independence Day.

During the 15-minute call, the two premiers discussed ways to strengthen bilateral ties. Modi underlined the deep civilisational ties between the two countries and urged Oli to strengthen those ties.

Oli’s overtures were quickly followed two days later by talks between India’s Ambassador to Nepal Vinay Kwatra and Nepal’s Foreign Secretary Shankar Das Bairagi. The two discussed the status of the India-aided development projects in the Himalayan country and decided to fast-pace those projects.

Since then, at Oli’s insistence, officials in Nepal’s Foreign Ministry and others have established contact with India and have been urging New Delhi to sit for talks over various issues with Nepal.
Time to take out the bimbo Chinese diplomat who honey trapped Nepalese PM
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Nepal PM Oli's party, has launched a Greater Nepal campaign in association with the Unified Nepal National Front claiming many cities in Himachal, UP, Bihar and Sikkim including Dehradun, Nainital in Uttarakhand as part of Greater Nepal (AajTak)
I'm a Nepali now apparently. :rotfl:
Visits from the Chinese ambassador have become more frequent & intense it seems.
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#Oli oli

China Diverts Course Of Rivers Flowing Into Nepal To Occupy Nepalese Land, Constructs Nine Buildings
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/china-div ... -buildings
The Chinese People's Liberation Army has constructed at least nine buildings in Nepal's Humla district, Times of India has reported.

The building have reportedly been built at a distance of 2 kilometre from the border in an area called Lapcha-Limi. The Chinese have also restricted local residents of the province from entering the area. The report adds that China is making transgressions into the Lapcha-Limi area for quite a few years now.

The report adds that China has allegedly diverted the course of rivers flowing into Nepal whilst constructing roads in the Tibet Autonomous Region. This has allowed them to occupy the land close to these rivers and proclaim it to be a part of their dominion.
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KATHMANDU, Oct 21: Samant Kumar Goel, chief of Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), the external intelligence agency of India, has arrived in Kathmandu on Wednesday afternoon.

A nine-member delegation led by India's RAW chief landed at the Tribhuvan International Airport by an Indian Air Force aircraft at 12:45 PM, according to a source.

Goel will be staying here for nine hours, the source said. He is scheduled to hold high-level meetings in Kathmandu.

It was not immediately clear about the purpose of his visit.

This is the second visit of chief of Indian intelligence agency of Nepal after his appointment in June last year. Goel had paid a three-day visit to Nepal on July 20, 2019.

The 'surprise visit' of the head of Indian intelligence agency is taking place couple of weeks ahead of Indian Army Chief MM Naravane's visit to Nepal.

According to Nepal Army headquarters, the Indian Army Chief is visiting Nepal in November. However, the Army headquarters has not made public specific dates for the visit yet.
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Nepal PM seems to have gone soft on the 'new map' after meeting with RAW chief.
Controversy over old map of Nepal in Oli’s Dussehra greeting card
Nepal Prime Minister K P Sharma Oli was at the centre of a new controversy Saturday following the use of the country’s old map in his Vijaya Dashami greeting card which had the national emblem and his portrait printed on it.

Following escalation of the boundary dispute with India this summer, Nepal published a new map to include areas of the Indian state of Uttarakhand.

The Opposition criticised him for using the old map in the card, saying he was trying to “backtrack on the issue, undermining the spirit behind the national consensus on the territorial issue”.
Surya Thapa, the PM’s press advisor, said the map in the greeting card was the new one, but because of its small size, the new areas were not visible.

Six weeks ago, Oli had ordered withdrawal of school textbooks that had included the new map. India and Nepal are trying to mend ties, severely strained after Nepal published its new map.

Earlier this week, Oli had a long meeting with Indian R&AW chief Samant Kumar Goel, and his own party leaders were furious that he did not keep them in the loop. Indian Army chief General MM Naravane is scheduled to visit Nepal next month.
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I wonder if RAA boss read Oli the riot act here.
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This is significant in the backdrop of upcoming visit of Indian Army chief to Nepal.
China illegally occupies Nepal's land at several places; Indian intelligence agencies sound alert
New Delhi: China has illegally occupied Nepal`s land at several places spreading over seven bordering districts and Indian intelligence agencies have sounded an alert in New Delhi.

The agencies have flagged that Beijing is fast moving forward and further pushing Nepali boundaries by encroaching more and more landmass. "The actual scenario could be worse as the Nepali Communist Party (NCP) is trying to shield the expansionist agenda of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)," an internal intelligence agency report pointed out.
It stated that Nepali districts which are victims of China`s land-grabbing plan include Dolakha, Gorkha, Darchula, Humla, Sindhupalchowk, Sankhuwasabha and Rasuwa.

China has pushed the international boundary 1,500 metres towards Nepal in Dolakha including pushing the boundary pillar Number 57 in the Korlang area in Dolakha, which was previously located at top of Korlang.
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Dilbu wrote:This is significant in the backdrop of upcoming visit of Indian Army chief to Nepal.
China illegally occupies Nepal's land at several places; Indian intelligence agencies sound alert
New Delhi: China has illegally occupied Nepal`s land at several places spreading over seven bordering districts and Indian intelligence agencies have sounded an alert in New Delhi.

The agencies have flagged that Beijing is fast moving forward and further pushing Nepali boundaries by encroaching more and more landmass. "The actual scenario could be worse as the Nepali Communist Party (NCP) is trying to shield the expansionist agenda of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)," an internal intelligence agency report pointed out.
It stated that Nepali districts which are victims of China`s land-grabbing plan include Dolakha, Gorkha, Darchula, Humla, Sindhupalchowk, Sankhuwasabha and Rasuwa.

China has pushed the international boundary 1,500 metres towards Nepal in Dolakha including pushing the boundary pillar Number 57 in the Korlang area in Dolakha, which was previously located at top of Korlang.
@06:00 "hum yuddh to karenge, aur apni zameen par bhi karenge aur bahaar bhi karenge.Lekin apne niji swaarth ke liye nahi,parmaarth ke liye karna padega."
https://youtu.be/7wx4vC60zuI?t=348


Edited: looks like you already pointed to same in other thread :)
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Thanks vipinsji. I am xposting the other link for reference.
This is a very cryptic message from NSA. This can point even to Nepal or Bhutan in addition to TSP and China.
Will fight on our soil as well as on foreign soil, says Ajit Doval
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China seizes more Nepali territory, soldiers construct structures over border: Report
According to the news report, Chinese troops crossed the border into the Limi Valley and Hilsa in the north-western district of Humla. They moved stone pillars that had been erected earlier to demarcate the border between the two countries. Subsequently, the PLA has allegedly constructed military structures on the encroached territory, the news report added. Chinese personnel also allegedly moved the pillars further into Nepalese territory in Gorkha district.
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Indian Army Chief Gen MM Naravane arrives in Nepal on three-day crucial visit amid border row
Kathmandu: Indian Army Chief Gen MM Naravane arrived in Nepal on Wednesday on a three-day crucial visit that is largely aimed at resetting the bilateral ties that came under severe strain following a bitter border row between the two countries.

Gen Naravane is visiting Nepal at the official invitation of Nepal Army chief Gen Purna Chandra Thapa.
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Who would have imagined the Maoist movement in Nepal would have challenged the very existence of Nepal itself.
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Army chief General Naravane presents medical gear to Nepali Army
Army chief General Manoj Mukund Naravane presented medical equipment to the Nepali Army including X-Ray machines, computed radiography systems, ICU ventilators, video endoscopy units, anesthesia machines, laboratory equipment and ambulances, the Indian Embassy in Nepal said in a statement on Thursday.
On Thursday, Naravane laid a wreath and paid homage at Bir Smarak (Martyr’s Memorial) at the Army Pavilion in Tundikhel, Kathmandu. He was later accorded a ceremonial Guard of Honour at the Nepali Army Headquarters where he held talks with his counterpart General Purna Chandra Thapa.

Both sides discussed army-to-army relations and enhancing bilateral defence cooperation, the statement said.
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It appears that Sharma Oli has made a uturn even in the face of protests from within his party. Wonder what magic pill was used by India to make such quick changes in the situation.
India takes big step to normalise Nepal ties, skeds foreign secy visit
Foreign Secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla will travel to Kathmandu later this month for formal dialogue between the two countries, a sign that New Delhi is willing to go an extra mile to improve bilateral ties that had nosedived earlier this year, people familiar with the matter said.

The decision to send the foreign secretary comes days after Army Chief General MM Naravane was conferred the honorary rank of general of Nepali Army. Gen Naravane had met Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli on this visit who had underscored that the two countries could resolve all problems between them through dialogue since India and Nepal have a long-standing special relationship.

KP Sharma Oli had faced resistance within his cabinet to Gen Naravane’s visit but had dealt with it, withdrawing the defence portfolio from deputy prime minister Ishwar Pokhrel.
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Is RAW in possession of audio/visual tapes of the chinese "instructions/orders" to him or the juicy details of Oli's honeytrap by the Chinese Ambassador? :wink:
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May be Oli was shown some raw footage :wink:
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https://www.opindia.com/2020/12/nepal-h ... y-rsn-rpp/
‘King, please come back and save the country!’: Massive protests in Nepal demand the restoration of Hindu Monarchy
Slogans such as "King, please come back and save the country," were also raised.
RSN leader Keshar Bahadur Bista said that since the fall of the Monarchy, Nepal had become a country with many kings.
“Our aim is to reestablish the monarchy and a Hindu state in Nepal. We will gather support from the streets and also push for a referendum based on the 2015 constitution via winning the next general election,” Wagle said. The protesters are carrying flags and placards of Prithvi Narayan Shah, the founder of modern Nepal. They demand the restoration of the Hindu Monarchy for the ‘sake of the country’s national unity and well-being of the people’.
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Oli is gone!

Nepal Parliament Dissolved Amid Ruling Party Feud: Reports
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/nepal-p ... ts-2341120
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^^^^
Oli has recommended dissolution of the house as a means of avoiding a confidence vote, as far as I can tell. If he loses the confidence vote, certainly he cannot continue to lead the government. I think this is an attempted constitutional coup i.e. to continue governing without a parliamentary majority. The president of Nepal, like Oli, also takes her marching orders from the CCP in Beijing. This is a coup. A usurpation of democracy. Made in China.

https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020 ... issolution
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Pushed over the edge, PM Oli drops a bombshell at rivals that also hurts China
Beijing had deputed its envoy to Nepal Hou Yanqi to hold a series of meetings in late April and early May - around the same time that China’s soldiers were crossing the line in east Ladakh - to hold consultations with Nepal’s communist leaders to get them to stay united.
Ambassador Hou continued her interventions to keep the NCP in one piece over the next few months. But PM Oli’s camp soon enough figured that China was okay with ruling NCP giving PM Oli the pink slip if this is what it would take to avoid a split in the party.

PM Oli, who had spent 14 years in jail for opposing the now-abolished monarchy in the 1970s and 1980s, wasn’t ready to fade into oblivion yet.

Nepal watchers said China, which initially seemed to back 68-year-old Oli, had changed tack earlier this year and was willing to sacrifice him if it would help keep the NCP united.
Ambassador Hou Yanqi was working on this pitch when last month, PM Oli is believed to have told her off, suggesting that he is capable of handling challenges within his party without any assistance from other countries.
The Chinese envoy didn’t exactly back off but her subsequent interventions were done quietly. When meeting politicians from the ruling party, she would move around in unmarked cars or taxis in Kathmandu, said a Nepal watcher.
“There were two other formulas that the Chinese envoy continued to work on,” a person who tracks developments in Nepal politics said. Apart from negotiating a format where the NCP’s former prime minister Dahal and Madhav Nepal hold the strings of power minus PM Oli, Ambassador Hou also explored the possibility of the NCP shunting out PM Oli and promoting Deputy Prime Minister Bamdev Gautam instead.

Since Bamdev Gautam comes from the Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist–Leninist) that PM Oli headed before the 2018 merger, it was expected that this would minimise the damage that PM Oli could wreak on the party in case of a split. The fourth option that the Chinese envoy did explore was the possibility that the senior leadership of the NCP let the next generation leaders of the party who would be more amenable to a negotiated settlement take charge, a Nepal watcher said.
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Interesting the CCP Ambassador to Nepal Ms Hou Yanqi, her ability and influence in the top power circles headed by Oli of Nepal is apparently quite unsurpassed. Gen. Bakshi claims she has orchestrated the Honey Trapping of Oli

https://www.freepressjournal.in/india/w ... ed-to-know
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https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020 ... -kathmandu

Even within the Nepal Communist Party, a section of leaders was extremely critical of the MCC. But with the party split, most of those who were against the MCC are in the Dahal-Nepal faction.

“I sensed that there are some concerns in Beijing if Nepal will approve the MCC,” said Karki. “Such a move could lead to a change in the geopolitical dynamics and China’s concerns from its point of view are not entirely wrong.”

Amid growing partnership between the United States, which is set to get its new president in January, and India, with which China’s rivalry has intensified of late, China’s interest in Nepal is understandable, analysts and leaders say.



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BJP needs to create a party in Nepal and fund it.
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Oli looses support of Prachanda led Maoist group!!
What does it mean for India??
Will Sitaram go to real Ayodhya(as per Oli's claim) to solve the issues or Eleven Gin send another 'Kushboo' to sort the issues!!
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Oli looses the vote of confidence in the Nepali parliament
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^^^
Seems like Oli is back in the saddle after winning the vote. Though not sure who is standing for India or china in this tussle of Nepali politics.
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He is back for 30 days because the opposition guy didn't have enough support. So in other words, the ruling commie coalition is fractured and can't form the goremint, but neither of the commie factions will support the opposition (pinkos) either. It looks like either Ollie will have to cobble the commie factions together again or there will be an election. It is a sham democracy anyway, with 90% of the parliament being either commies or pinkos.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-05-22/

Nepal plunged into fresh political turmoil on Saturday as President Bidya Devi Bhandari dissolved parliament and fixed general elections in November amid a worsening COVID-19 outbreak.

The surprise announcement comes after a presidential statement said neither the caretaker Prime Minister K.P. Sharma Oli, nor opposition leader Sher Bahadur Deuba were able to demonstrate a majority to form a new government by the Friday deadline set by Bhandari.
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I hope Nepalis form a new Nepali Janata Party which is away from these clowns.
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Biplab deb had floated a trial balloon in feb. Things may start rolling after 2024.

https://www.financialexpress.com/india- ... y/2196281/
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arvin wrote:Biplab deb had floated a trial balloon in feb. Things may start rolling after 2024.

https://www.financialexpress.com/india- ... y/2196281/
Actually a Nepal Janata Party exists already: https://www.facebook.com/Nepal-Janta-Pa ... 144598144/, it must be given all the nurturing and support required in the form of heavy funding.
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Nepal SC restores the Assembly and Dueba to be the PM
How good is NC to India??
Will the Chinese hold or grip on the nation start loosening!!
Lots of money being poured in but will that be sufficient to keep the 'Chini Lebensraum' rolling!!
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And talking about Bhutan
Bhutan to end Tobacco Ban
Wonder what types were being smuggled Indian or Chini varieties!!
Looking at the will to lift ban makes me wonder if its the Chin variety???
Two of the Five finger tips that needs burning for the Chini to stop the creeping forward : Bhutan and Nepal
They have had three fingers burnt in : Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh!!
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https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... s-7753821/

Given the USA's hostility to India's strategic priorities in its neighbourhood, India better make sure that no US funds make it to Nepal. US in India's neighbourhood is not a good thing for Indian interests.
The $500 million grant that Nepal and US signed in late 2017 has been in a limbo as the Parliament has failed to endorse it as recommended by the Ministry of law. While Deuba has assured MCC and taken a public position to have it endorsed by Parliament by end of this month, the two left coalition partners have said certain provisions of the deal directly undermine the sovereignty of the country and its “non-aligned” foreign policy.
https://www.mcc.gov/where-we-work/country/nepal

Given the US's shenanigans in J&K and Myanmar, US must be permanently kept out of the region, and if India cannot manage that, GoI will have far worse US-created problems to manage down the line.
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https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... eel-372152

Why Bhutan is India’s Achilles’ heel
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In early 2007, a two-hour closed-door meeting took place among Bhutan’s king Jigme Singye Wangchuck, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Foreign Minister Mukherjee. Crown Prince Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck was present during the entire discussion. Though his father had already abdicated, he was crowned only on November 1, 2008.

India was not keen to revisit the treaty, but the King insisted. Mukherjee told the King: “We are vitally interested in preserving the concept of the joint security of India and Bhutan being common and indivisible.” Both Singh and Mukherjee urged the King to reconsider revising the treaty, but he did not budge.

Instead, the King presented a draft treaty in which “common security” was central and contained in Article 2 of the treaty: “Both countries will cooperate closely in issues relating to national interest.” The operative part was “neither government shall allow the use of its territory for activities harmful to the national security and interest of the other.”
the unwillingness of the Royal Bhutan Army to prevent Chinese land grabbing
The King is the ‘sanctum sanctorum’ in Bhutan. There is no defence minister; de facto the King is. The Major-General in charge of the Indian Military Training Assistance Team (IMTRAT) is the King’s military adviser, although the tiny Royal Bhutan Army (RBA) as a Lieutenant-General as its Commander.


The King is believed to have done some loud thinking with his Indian military adviser about inviting Indian troops other than the 1,000 or so Indian soldiers deployed with IMTRAT.

The Indian Army units, which are to be deployed in the event of an emergency, have not visited their operational areas, except for their commanders. Skeletal troop movement for operational training is kept below the radar; so is the visibility of the Medical Assistance Mission, which is acknowledged by the Bhutanese as a key asset.


Still, the Bhutanese youth resent the presence of the Indian troops on their soil even as business houses want diplomatic relations with China, which has exploited this chink, especially after the Indian intervention at Doklam. Bhutan fears China.

In June 2017, PLA Engineer units constructing a road in the Chumbi valley from Yatung, extending across the Doklam plateau towards the Jampheri Ridge while approaching the disputed trijunction of Gymochen, were intercepted at Doklam by 8 JAK LI deployed on the Doka La post. Disputed between Bhutan and China, Doklam poses a direct threat to the Siliguri corridor. The Indian intervention at Doklam was consequent to invoking Article 2 of the revised 2007 treaty. The RBA deployed on their post at the Jampheri Ridge did not join hands with the Indian soldiers who held the line for 72 days, till the disengagement on August 27.
concluding remarks
But the bigger question is: If the PLA crosses India’s red-lines in Bhutan, would K5, the fifth King, Khesar who did the 45th NDC course in New Delhi in 2005, invite the Indian troops for assistance? And if not, would the Indian troops unilaterally intervene, as they probably did in Doklam, invoking Article 2?
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Manmohan's blunders can only be matched with those of Nehru. But they are not blunders... the CCP/INC MoU will have to be exposed and made public to unravel the truth.
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Cyrano wrote:Manmohan's blunders can only be matched with those of Nehru. But they are not blunders... the CCP/INC MoU will have to be exposed and made public to unravel the truth.
they were both following the agenda run from the same playbook while marching to the tune of a distant drummer.
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Shouldn’t we be the lord protectors of Hinduism and Buddhism in South Asia? Should have put that phrase in the constitution instead of secular much less socialist. And with that we could have justified interventions in these 2 countries and protecting the borders. Of course our leaders did opposite. Time to change that
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