Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 26 Apr 2015 23:38

^^^ There is no choice unless you want to have PRC at your doorstep next if not in already. India will have to do it irrespective for strategic reasons.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 26 Apr 2015 23:38

TSJones wrote:Google exec killed by Nepal earthquake.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-ex ... nance.html

When you reach for the brass ring, you take your chances. RIP

TSJ,

A minor functionary, not really even a high level manager. In news because of model/host ex-girl friend.

There are likely 10k++ dead. A dead gooogle employee and $1m? Harping about Israel sending a team? Asking for public to pour in money into the usual scammy charities?

Why is the US being so shamelessly useless? Nepal seems to be something they wanted to see go down this road from the look of it.

KJo,

There isnt a nepal left now. This isnt your random flood. And it isnt a 2500 person event. Numbers will rise quite a bit if they actually look under the brick piles. Not the time for bickering.

Any level of help will be insufficient help here. By being next door, you have bought the ticket to the show. Now dont have a choice but to go to the ball.

Bade,

screw sctrategy for a month. The people dead dont have any strategic value, its purely a humanitarian effort for showing your domestic audience you are human too.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Apr 2015 23:46

Just a week ago, about 50 earthquake and social scientists from around the world came to Kathmandu, Nepal, to figure out how to get this poor, congested, overdeveloped, shoddily built area to prepare better for the big one, a repeat of the 1934 temblor that leveled this city. They knew they were racing the clock, but they didn't know when what they feared would strike.

Seismologist James Jackson, head of the earth sciences department at the University of Cambridge in England, told the AP that he didn't expect such a huge earthquake to hit so soon, but experts were warning that something like it was possible.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 26 Apr 2015 23:55

^^^ Yes, the 50 great saviours! Look how they took a nice vacation. Just like they shout "end is nigh" for california all the time.

Its a con. See past it.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 27 Apr 2015 00:13

Senator Baghairat ‏@mahobili 37m37 minutes ago

Pakistan has sent four C-130 aircraft carrying a 30-bed hospital,search teams to #Nepal

Lookie, the baghairat says they sent all the four they had. Now only opium is left.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2015 00:14

KJo wrote:From past history, I am slightly wary of Nepal. They have earlier shown Paquish behavior of selling their loyalty and friendship to the highest bidders with unreasonable hate towards India.
If we help them, they might just take it, and then use "insufficient help" as a reason to hate us more.

That's because in the past history of more than 1000years, India itself is ruled by anti-Hindu forces and tried to usurp Nepal. A Hindu Bharat will be a different matter.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 27 Apr 2015 00:16

Nepal should just quit the charade and merge into India and become a state. This way they will be secure.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2015 00:18

KJo wrote:Nepal should just quit the charade and merge into India and become a state. This way they will be secure.

Not now. Nothing until India becomes a Hindu Rashtra.

When Bharat emerges, everyone comes home.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 27 Apr 2015 00:19

probably older pichhar (as in from saturday or early sunday):

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nepa ... 32278.html

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Apr 2015 01:30

Nepal - governance and earthquake disaster recovery/amelioration - Alyssia Ayres' opinion:
http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2015/04/25/ne ... e-matters/

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 27 Apr 2015 01:44

Shreeman wrote:screw sctrategy for a month. The people dead dont have any strategic value, its purely a humanitarian effort for showing your domestic audience you are human too.

That is a given, there is no need to prove that over and over again. Irrespective of who the GoI of the time is India has always been humanitarian when others are in need.

Whereas the usual suspects are doing a flag hoisting ceremony in Kathmandu.

member_24042 · Post by **member_24042** » 27 Apr 2015 03:16

Already the Soul Vulture diva, Melinda Gates, has advised on how to donate to help the heathens of Nepal

EMERGENCY RESPONSE
PARTNERS
BACK Print
Emergencies occur nearly every day and impact thousands of communities. Many of these are poorly publicized and receive little public attention. If you would like to get involved in relief efforts, we encourage you to support organizations actively working to help affected areas. Please visit the web sites of these organizations to learn more about what they do and how you can help.

BRAC USA
CARE
Catholic Relief Services
International Medical Corps
International Rescue Committee
Lutheran World Relief
Medical Teams International
Mercy Corps
Oxfam America
Save the Children
UNICEF
World Vision

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We- ... e/Partners

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 27 Apr 2015 03:23

Google has launched a person finder tool to help locate those affected by the earthquake in Nepal: http://on.wsj.com/1PAMr2Y

Records dating to 1255 show the Nepal region has mag-8 quake “approximately every 75 years."
http://on.wsj.com/1EuGSPG pic.twitter.com/ehZU8DubYz

Amitabh Bachchan ✔ @SrBachchan
T 1846 -The tragedy of Nepal and North Indian states persists. More shakes experienced .. and fear begins to enter the framework ! Prayers
Retweeted by yunas

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 27 Apr 2015 05:18

PURE EVIL!

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 27 Apr 2015 07:20

KJo wrote:Nepal should just quit the charade and merge into India and become a state. This way they will be secure.

The downfall of Nepal started with the complete demise of the Royal Family. Many say it was orchestrated by Soul Harvesters.
They detached from dharma and that is when it became easier for China to step in.

member_24042 · Post by **member_24042** » 27 Apr 2015 18:38

Jarita wrote:
KJo wrote:Nepal should just quit the charade and merge into India and become a state. This way they will be secure.
The downfall of Nepal started with the complete demise of the Royal Family. Many say it was orchestrated by Soul Harvesters.
They detached from dharma and that is when it became easier for China to step in.

Most Nepalis to this day think RAW took out the Royal Family.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2015 18:44

TonySoprano wrote:Most Nepalis to this day think RAW took out the Royal Family.

Whatever may be the case, RAW is a loyal/willing servant of political dispensation of the day same as any other aspect of Rashtra. Most of these institutions are so loyal to the political dispensation (democratically elected govts), they even went to the extent of self-demolishing themselves; case in example is some armed forces generals undermining military preparedness of the nation and some RAW heads dismantling RAW infra in neighboring countries to fulfill wishes of political masters.

We are in a colonial time wrap. We need to get out of it as soon as possible.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 27 Apr 2015 19:07

RamaY wrote:
KJo wrote:Nepal should just quit the charade and merge into India and become a state. This way they will be secure.
Not now. Nothing until India becomes a Hindu Rashtra.

When Bharat emerges, everyone comes home.

That may never happen. But the merger can.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 27 Apr 2015 19:19

The Royal Scion who murdered his family was being provided drugs by his paki/chinese connection, as was reported widely in the days/weeks following the assassination -- this "friend" of the drug-addicted son was mysterious figure whose name or face never featured anywhere. Gyanendra was displaced by the Nepali maoists under Prachanda and made a non entity. The pro Royalty nepali newspapers and crowd has always been anti-India and pro-China....kinda ironical they received their comeuppance at the hands of China/Pakistan.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2015 19:27

Tuvaluan wrote:The Royal Scion who murdered his family was being provided drugs by his paki/chinese connection, as was reported widely in the days/weeks following the assassination -- this "friend" of the drug-addicted son was mysterious figure whose name or face never featured anywhere. Gyanendra was displaced by the Nepali maoists under Prachanda and made a non entity. The pro Royalty nepali newspapers and crowd has always been anti-India and pro-China....kinda ironical they received their comeuppance at the hands of China/Pakistan.

If you remember the fact that almost all political administrations of India for past 60yrs have been (overtly or covertly) anti-Hindu, then you can see why the Nepali Royalty couldn't trust them.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 27 Apr 2015 19:44

Nepali Royals and elite played the anti-India card and got disposed off by their new masters as they tried to consolidate more power. Meanwhile, the strategic angle is ever present, whether one likes it or not.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nepal-pow ... 11046.html

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 27 Apr 2015 19:56

RamaY wrote: If you remember the fact that almost all political administrations of India for past 60yrs have been (overtly or covertly) anti-Hindu, then you can see why the Nepali Royalty couldn't trust them.

Nothing of that kind. AFAICT, It had nothing to do with hinduism or religion. The Nepali Royalty and the entire system that supported them since 1947 were more than willing to take help from India at every opportunity, but that did not stop them from openly venting their bile against India. If it was only about the policy of the Indian govt., then you would think they would not resent ordinary Indians.

The Royalty were just another bunch of self-serving tools who kept their people poor while they lived an opulent life, not very different from the various criminals and thieves who ran India under the Congress party during that period who sold poverty to steal from the country and have all their own clans live good lives and/or move out of the country. Fortunately for both countries, there were honest and good guys (nameless and faceless, sadly) in their midst who did the best they could to stop the rot from destroying everything.

member_24042 · Post by **member_24042** » 27 Apr 2015 19:59

Tuvaluan wrote:
RamaY wrote: If you remember the fact that almost all political administrations of India for past 60yrs have been (overtly or covertly) anti-Hindu, then you can see why the Nepali Royalty couldn't trust them.
Nothing of that kind. AFAICT, It had nothing to do with hinduism or religion. The Nepali Royalty and the entire system that supported them since 1947 were more than willing to take help from India at every opportunity, but that did not stop them from openly venting their bile against India. If it was only about the policy of the Indian govt., then you would think they would not resent ordinary Indians.

The Royalty were just another bunch of self-serving tools who kept their people poor while they lived an opulent life, not very different from the criminals and thieves who ran India under the Congress party during that period who sold poverty to steal from the country and have all their own clans live good lives and/or move out of the country.

This is not the right time, but race has a very important aspect in Nepali's hate towards ordinary Indians whom they call "dhotis" or "lungis". Call me heartless but I will guarantee you India will be doing most of the reconstruction work and Nepal will ever more tightly embrace China.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 27 Apr 2015 20:05

TonySoprano wrote: This is not the right time, but race has a very important aspect in Nepali's hate towards ordinary Indians whom they call "dhotis" or "lungis".

That is Ignorant Nonsense -- being a competent troll, you are just making up this sh*t just to be inflammatory. Nepalis have been living and working in India the entire time, and you cannot tell the difference between them, so there is no such race meme at play. All this "nepali hate" is restricted to the loyalists of the Nepali Royalty -- even the likes of "Prachanda" and the maoists have ties with India as most of them were educated in the Necropolis of higher education (JNU).

As for Nepal's future, much will depend on when they end up bringing their constitution into force -- the chinese are developing the remaining (pro-China) Royal Gyanendra to ensure that such a thing does not happen...seeing as to how he is suddenly back in the news after years in the wilderness as an ordinary "businessman".

member_24042 · Post by **member_24042** » 27 Apr 2015 20:08

Tuvaluan wrote:
TonySoprano wrote: This is not the right time, but race has a very important aspect in Nepali's hate towards ordinary Indians whom they call "dhotis" or "lungis".
That is Ignorant Nonsense -- being a competent troll, you are just making up this sh*t just to be inflammatory. Nepalis have been living and working in India the entire time, and you cannot tell the difference between them, so there is no such race meme at play. All this "nepali hate" is restricted to the loyalists of the Nepali Royalty -- even the likes of "Prachanda" and the maoists have ties with India as most of them were educated in the Necropolis of higher education (JNU).

As for Nepal's future, much will depend on when they end up bringing their constitution into force -- the chinese are developing the remaining (pro-China) Royal Gyanendra to ensure that such a thing does not happen...seeing as to how he is suddenly back in the news after years in the wilderness as an ordinary "businessman".

Then talk to some Marwaris and Madheshis in Kathmandu, people from opposite sides of the economic spectrum. Ask them how they are treated by the Mongoloids after living in Nepal for 3 generations.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2015 20:13

We ALL are reading a socio-cultural-political map on a severely crumpled paper and are seeing severely distorted picture.

Only when we get out of triple colonization in our minds, the truth will dawn upon us.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 27 Apr 2015 20:14

Then talk to some Marwaris and Madheshis in Kathmandu, people from opposite sides of the economic spectrum.

If you knew about the region, you would know that The marwaris are Indians of gujarati origin who are all over the subcontinent given their business skills -- not to mention that dhotis and lungis are references to West Bengal and Bangladesh, where that attire is native and widely in use. Whatever the reason for that prejudices, that does not mean they are anti-India (which is a pretty big place you know). You would find enough Indians in other states who have similar attitudes against the Bengalis, and that would not mean they are all anti-India.

The Madheshis from Terai are actually pro India and are not with the kathmandu elite that hates India -- this is also well know, since it is old news that the madheshi protest against the maoists and the nepal royalty.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 27 Apr 2015 20:17

Sorry to say, all this nonsense about triple and quadruple colonization is just delusional -- we (i.e., our brains) are all products of ideas and the reality that surrounds us during our lifetime. It is what it is. No magical truth is going to dawn on anyone. It is very likely that once a good number of Indians can afford the time to do things and imbibe ideas not related to their immediate survivial, they may have the time to see through all the nonsense fed to them by the likes of Irfan Habib and other liars who call themselves "historians"...and India has to develop significantly for that to happen on a larger scale, and even then it is not clear which idea will appeal to them as the truth in their reality.

member_24042 · Post by **member_24042** » 27 Apr 2015 20:46

Tuvaluan wrote:
Then talk to some Marwaris and Madheshis in Kathmandu, people from opposite sides of the economic spectrum.
If you knew about the region, you would know that The marwaris are Indians of gujarati origin who are all over the subcontinent given their business skills -- not to mention that dhotis and lungis are references to West Bengal and Bangladesh, where that attire is native and widely in use. Whatever the reason for that prejudices, that does not mean they are anti-India (which is a pretty big place you know). You would find enough Indians in other states who have similar attitudes against the Bengalis, and that would not mean they are all anti-India.

The Madheshis from Terai are actually pro India and are not with the kathmandu elite that hates India -- this is also well know, since it is old news that the madheshi protest against the maoists and the nepal royalty.

First of all Marwaris are of Rajasthani origin (as in Marwar region) and all Nepalis call anyone who has darker skin "indian", "dhoti", "lungi", etc. Dhoti is what they call the Madhesis who are Indian in their eyes. Trust me I spent over two weeks in Nepal visiting different Buddhist sites, Nepalis (by that I mean Paharis) have no love lost for India. They blame us for everything and in their little brains, its does not occur to them that there are other players in Nepal too (ISI, China, CIA) that also destabilize it. Hell they even have pseudo-history, for example one Gorkhali said Pashupatinath is holiest temple in all of Hinduism (....)

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 27 Apr 2015 21:01

Drone view

Old constructions made of wood and mud masonry have collapsed. Average looking constructions are standing fine.

The way those bricks have come off neatly suggests that they were held together with simple mud and clay.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 27 Apr 2015 21:23

Trust me I spent over two weeks in Nepal visiting different Buddhist sites, Nepalis (by that I mean Paharis) have no love lost for India. They blame us for everything and in their little brains, its does not occur to them that there are other players in Nepal too (ISI, China, CIA) that also destabilize it. Hell they even have pseudo-history, for example one Gorkhali said Pashupatinath is holiest temple in all of Hinduism (....)

None of this is surprising and IMO does not warrant shock or surprise, seeing as a lot of the above description could hold for many parts of India too. We have our own pseudo-history and parts of a local population that is willing to believe that the majority community is evil and is out to destroy them...which is not too different from the above description really. Empirical evidence of this kind is not too useful -- getting a Nepali constitution in place is a backstop against some China-supported dictator or group down the line, and the Nepalis have resisted this for almost a decade now.

Look at the pictures of the post-earthquake Nepal -- not a single heavy construction equipment in sight. Most buildings seem to have been built with no concrete frame and mostly mud and clay (as nvishal points out). Overall, the low development in this region resembles that of the BIMARU states and Orissa with their less than average statistics on human development and industrial advancement. If the Nepalese find more favourable views of the Chinese, it is more likely because China provides funds to the same groups that get their narrative out in the Nepali press.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 27 Apr 2015 22:53

The way those bricks have come off neatly suggests that they were held together with simple mud and clay.

That is exactly what I thought looking at the fallen brick pile images, with hardly any cement sticking on to it. They were just piled up and cemented at top or bottom to save costs. The drone view shows standing buildings with better structural properties, so may be will need less rebuilding effort at first look. Hopefully that is the case. Villages may present a different case, where more mud and tin roofs are used.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Apr 2015 23:45

err...is now the time to delve into 'nepalis hate us'

i have also been to nepal (kathmandu, pokara) for a week plus..backpacking sdre style with a daily budge of 100 rs

. not once did i encounter any 'racism'. most people were nice, warm, welcoming etc. only one kaalij student called me 'stupid indians with stupid antaksharis' and he became a good buddy after a few rounds of local stuff. took us around the next day. there will always be a few idiots in any group of people and some more who hold on to some stuff out of ignorance or fashion of the day...but i don't see any deep seated irrational hatred of india/indians from nepalis. quite a few worked near my home in chennai as well and were all decent types.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 27 Apr 2015 23:55

TonySoprano wrote:Then talk to some Marwaris and Madheshis in Kathmandu, people from opposite sides of the economic spectrum. Ask them how they are treated by the Mongoloids after living in Nepal for 3 generations.

You are vastly exaggerating the issue. Madhesis are also Nepali, they are fairly well representated politically and economically. Ram Baran Yadav is Nepal's current president. List of ministers in present govt, how many are mongoloids?

And, what is Mongoloids?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Apr 2015 00:19

The way those bricks have come off neatly suggests that they were held together with simple mud and clay.

Pls to kindly see the videos of the earthquake onlee. Most of the shaking was lateral - the ground just moved sideways with an amplitude of a foot or 2 feet, and a frequency of like 3 times a second. See trees etc whipping back and forth. I don't think any brick wall is going to survive that. The buildings still standing will probably show the First Mode of Bending at 0 frequency (no foundation, not tied to anything). I think they may have to tear down every building and build again. The damage has to be fatal even if the building didn't come down immediately. A Big Bad Wolf coming to Huff and Puff would probably knock the buildings down. Those guys doing the rescue operations are just very very brave.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 28 Apr 2015 02:10

It makes me deeply unhappy to see the state of the media:

- Every rescuer on the street is Nepali or Indian (the smattering of Israelis going in to remove their foster parents and their mothers notwithstanding)
- Every helipad is full of IAF Mil helicopters
- Every airstrip (there is only one right now in the media) has an Indian IL76.

There is nothing (rail, road, bus, car, bicycle) that hasn't been used to purpose. And none of it gets media coverage. The people giving interviews are those who CAN NOT help anyone on the ground. CAN NOT and WILL NOT -- that's who is speaking to the "world".

And the story is people clamoring to escape -- fully healthy people, who could have saved lives instead standing around and tweeting their fear and cowardice. By the thousands. That is the story.

A British Indian turd wants out on an aid flight, is not allowed, because not an indian passport. That is the story. Its been tweeted a million times.

Meanwhile, President Obama goes to the "White house correspondents dinner" and the queendom to "gallipolli remembrance". And they are the saviors.

The calamity scope is still vastly under-reported. Its impact probably not even assessed. Please do note, that it is hardly possible to have a more serious, unpredicted, natural calamity - rains can be predicted, wars have premonitions and warnings ahead of times.

And this is the media that underlies all the discussion and debate here. This is what you argue passionately on, day in and out. What makes you think they will report anything meaningful when it comes to $B contracts? That they are even capable of?

A few hundred helpers will only clog off airports. A team each from two dozen countries still makes only two dozen teams, and thats not even the number yet. Most are thinly veiled attempts to get their own out.

And its no longer rescue time, it is now recovery and prevention of disease. Sure there will be a few very hardy individuals who might still be alive another day or so. After that anyone alive is free or trapped, not buried.

There is absolutely no mention of the Indian role, costs, effort -- the entire "world" spectrum is just making the next decade worth of budget for aid agencies. Every scammer is hyperactive fleecing whatever charity they can make up. It is silly to think that any serious collected amount will go towards Nepal -- with $100K+ "aid worker" salaries and huge budgets to fill. Why not just buy more C17s with the money?

Media is not where you will get your insights. Into anything. It is plain lies and propaganda. Even where it does not belong. Even for media's own good. The lying is compulsory now.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Apr 2015 03:38

KJo wrote:Nepal should just quit the charade and merge into India and become a state. This way they will be secure.

RamaY wrote: Not now. Nothing until India becomes a Hindu Rashtra.

When Bharat emerges, everyone comes home.

Karthik S wrote: That may never happen. But the merger can.

Lot of conviction there. Then it's better Hindus propup Nepal to be a true Hindu Rashtra by pouring their money there. In next decade or so Hindus need to identify and setup 2-3 Hindu nations however small they are & pump money, technology & arms into them.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 28 Apr 2015 04:08

It makes me deeply unhappy to see the state of the media:

- Every rescuer on the street is Nepali or Indian (the smattering of Israelis going in to remove their foster parents and their mothers notwithstanding)
- Every helipad is full of IAF Mil helicopters
- Every airstrip (there is only one right now in the media) has an Indian IL76.

There is nothing (rail, road, bus, car, bicycle) that hasn't been used to purpose. And none of it gets media coverage. The people giving interviews are those who CAN NOT help anyone on the ground. CAN NOT and WILL NOT -- that's who is speaking to the "world".
....

Reading some of the headline in pharein press, either India's name was added with China or completely eliminated, with respect to Nepal assistance.

Not reporting the genuinely good work done by the IA and others in Nepal is sad. Not having media on your side in your own country of a population of 1Bn hurts. When I read about the work of a character named Edward Bernays, I was shocked/intrigued to read about how a select group of people (netas, biznss) can successfully manipulate the shitizens of a country to dictate a course. Looking at the state of affairs, what you have highlighted, does India really have a choice to use some tricks from Mr. Bernays' playbook to bring some sanity?

arun · Post by **arun** » 28 Apr 2015 06:07

Our countries rescue effort in Nepal:

Lots more pictures of the rescue effort along with progress reports from our Ministry of Defence Spokesperson Sitanshu Kar’s Twitter account:

MOD Spokesperson

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 28 Apr 2015 06:19

^^^ also visit the good people of the disaster thread --
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... &start=640