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Postby Mort Walker » 16 Jun 2020 05:08

darshan wrote:I wonder if US EJ network rolls with Chinese commies in Nepal.


They in fact do. Not directly, but the same goal to reduce the political impact of Hinduism in Nepal. EJs are very active in Nepal, and like in China, the converted Nepalis have kept their surnames like Sharma or Bahadur. Christians may be 10% of the population.

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Postby ricky_v » 17 Jun 2020 11:25

Not a problem lisa sir,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/firing-nepal-india-border-leaves-dead-strained-ties-200612104607012.html
Nepali border guards have opened fire after a group of Indians crossed the frontier, killing one man and wounding two, police said.

About 30 Indians crossed nearly 100 metres (yards) into Nepal's territory in the southern district of Sarlahi and clashed with police when stopped, district police chief Gangaram Shrestha told the AFP news agency on Friday.

Shrestha said the guards at first fired into the air when scores of people gathered and hurled stones and bricks at police, and also snatched a gun.

"The police were forced to fire five rounds to recover the gun, injuring three people. We learnt that one of them died during treatment in India," Shrestha said.

Three Nepali border police were also injured, he added. Indian media said one man was also detained and that officials from the two sides had held talks.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 17 Jun 2020 18:22

despite the naxal/commie darbari historians re writing of history, cha cha neverwho's intellectual posturing and world statesman delusions of grandeur are fast unravelling and this anti Hindu eyetalian mafia gang has much to answer for :mrgreen:


This Is How Rajiv Gandhi’s Vaulting Ambitions And Sonia’s Ire Marked The Beginning Of Nepal’s Antipathy Towards India


Jaideep Mazumdar
Jun 17, 2020

This Is How Rajiv Gandhi’s Vaulting Ambitions And Sonia’s Ire Marked The Beginning Of Nepal’s Antipathy Towards India
Former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi.
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The setbacks that India is facing in Nepal today can be attributed directly to former prime minister, late Rajiv Gandhi, and his policies.


That Nepal’s traditional ties with India have been deep need no repetition. Over the centuries, shared religious, cultural, and civilisational tenets have cemented ties between the people of the two countries.

But post-Independence, it was Jawaharlal Nehru’s supercilious attitude towards Nepal’s monarchy that heralded a strain in ties between the two countries.

Nehru’s socialist inclinations, and his proximity to leftists, dictated his coldness towards Nepal’s kings, who Hindus in both the countries considered to be incarnations of Bhagwan Vishnu.

Repeated attempts by Nepal’s kings to reach out to India were rebuffed by Nehru, who viewed the Hindu monarchs with considerable anathema.

Nepal-watchers have chronicled how, after being repeatedly rebuffed by New Delhi, Nepal’s kings slowly turned towards China. Ironically, it was to ward off China’s expansionism that the monarchs in Kathmandu wanted to strengthen ties with India. Nehru viewed the monarchy as anachronous in his world-view, more so since Nepal was a Hindu rashtra.

However, after Nehru’s death, there was a course correction of sorts by Lal Bahadur Shastri and then by Indira Gandhi. But the Nehruvian mindset with its inherent antipathy towards the world’s only Hindu nation still persisted within India’s diplomatic and policy establishments.

Many Indian Foreign Service (IFS ) officers from the early post-Independence era down to the early 1970s were left-inclined, and a sizeable number were camp followers of V K Krishna Menon, a diehard communist who is often blamed for the 1962 debacle.

Those diplomats kept on working against Nepal’s monarchy and supporting anti-monarchy forces in that country.

The ham-handed and overt support to anti-monarchy forces in Nepal by New Delhi at that time sowed the early seeds of distrust among Nepal’s ruling elite as well as the country’s civil society towards India. That also seeded the oft-repeated accusation by Nepalis of Indian interference in Nepal’s internal affairs that is heard very regularly now.

But the real fracture in ties between the two countries was inflicted by Rajiv Gandhi.

He inherited, to a large extent, Nehru’s world view and also fancied himself as a statesman who would usher in democracy in Nepal.

Accounts of those who were part of the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) during and immediately after Rajiv Gandhi’s tenure as prime minister (1984-1989) say he had envisioned himself as a champion of democracy and wanted to leave his imprint on the global stage.

However, his visions of diplomacy, strategy and world affairs, and his complete naivety, led to many disasters.

The biggest was, of course, the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) misadventure in Sri Lanka.

Rajiv Gandhi also pushed Myanmar towards China with his open support to pro-democracy forces led by Aung Sun Suu Kyi.

Under Rajiv Gandhi, India extended support and refuge to pro-democracy activists, angering Myanmar’s military rulers who then embraced China and started providing shelter to militant groups of northeastern India. Rajiv Gandhi’s support to Myanmar’s pro-democracy movement was dictated by his closeness to Suu Kyi, his childhood friend.

Suu Kyi had lived for many years at the 24 Akbar Road bungalow that was to become the Congress party headquarters later. She was a close friend of Rajiv Gandhi and Sanjay Gandhi and the three were often seen together at Rashtrapati Bhawan for riding lessons from the President’s Mounted Bodyguards there.

Rajiv Gandhi’s hostility to Nepal’s monarchy came out in the open after his visit to Kathmandu in December 1988.

That was his second official visit to Nepal, the first being a little over a year earlier to attend the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) summit there.

Rajiv Gandhi was accompanied by his wife and wanted to visit the Pashupatinath Temple in Kathmandu.

The temple management conveyed to the Indian embassy that while Rajiv Gandhi was welcome, Sonia Gandhi would be barred entry since she was not a Hindu.

Rajiv Gandhi took up the matter with King Birendra Bir Bikram Shah and requested the king to ensure that Sonia Gandhi would also be allowed entry into the mandir.

The king declined Rajiv Gandhi’s request and told the Indian prime minister that the temple’s traditions were inviolable.

Rajiv Gandhi was angry and Sonia Gandhi appears to have never forgotten the insult. It is widely believed that she was behind Rajiv Gandhi’s decision to impose a blockade on Nepal (read this).

The ostensible reason for the blockade was the expiry of bilateral trade treaties between the two countries, but analysts say the real reason was two-fold.

One was Nepal’s purchase of anti-aircraft guns and other arms from China.

And the second and more insidious reason was Rajiv Gandhi’s desire to teach Nepal a lesson for the perceived slight to his Catholic wife.

“It is well known that Rajiv Gandhi was ill-disposed towards Nepal’s monarchy and he had met pro-democracy leaders during his visit to Nepal in November 1987 for the SAARC summit. The Pashupatinath incident made him vengeful towards the king. The support that RAW started extending to Nepal’s anti-monarchists, including the Maoists, is very well known,” said a former Indian ambassador to Kathmandu.

Former Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) special director Amar Bhushan in his book Inside Nepal reveals how the agency worked to topple Nepal’s monarchy.

On Rajiv Gandhi’s instructions, RAW got all anti-monarchy forces together and won over Maoist leader Pushpa Kamal Dahal (aka Prachanda).

The whole ‘topple monarchy’ operation that Rajiv Gandhi ordered was a hare-brained one, say South Asia experts. That’s because Nepal’s Maoists who India sheltered and aided were essentially pro-China, and this came out in the open once they assumed power.

Despite the help they got from India, the Maoists and communists of Nepal had no love lost for India.

And on the other hand, the monarchy, sensing a threat from the India-supported pro-democracy movement, also sought help from China.

Beijing was more than willing to provide that help and support. It was a win-win for China, with no gains at all for India. And Rajiv Gandhi is to be blamed singularly for that.

For the people of Nepal, the blockade that created enormous hardships and crippled the country’s economy led to acute anger against India.

This anger intensified due to India’s overt interference in Nepal’s internal affairs: the open support given by New Delhi to the country’s pro-democracy and anti-monarchy movement.

India was seen as a bully and this image perpetuated itself because of a series of blunders that India has been committing in Nepal.

India’s foreign affairs establishment has, irrespective of the party in power, continued with Rajiv Gandhi’s policy of interfering in Nepal’s internal affairs. The 2015 blockade of Nepal and New Delhi’s attempts to force Nepal to amend its draft Constitution that year to accommodate the concerns of the Madhesis was another interference in Nepal's internal affairs.

The same communists that Rajiv Gandhi actively encouraged to overthrow the monarchy are today pitted against India and are taking Nepal into China's orbit. And once they declared Nepal to be a secular country after the fall of the monarchy, Nepal's ties with India have only weakened.

The setbacks that India is facing in Nepal today can be attributed directly to Rajiv Gandhi and his policies. And also to his grandfather Nehru whose Himalayan blunders have been extensively documented and commented on.

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Postby abhik » 20 Jun 2020 17:29

We must keep a close watch and be prepared for any adventure from Nepal (we must assume they are coordinating with the chinese). We have been using kid gloves with them, but that gives them an opportunity to try make a land grab, if it goes south for them they will use it to inflame emotions of their population even more.
IMO the only long-term solution is to trash their daddy china, all the bit players will slink back to hiding.

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Postby darshan » 21 Jun 2020 18:00

Nepal starts radio warfare, anti-India songs heard on Nepali radio stations in Uttarakhand villages on the border
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/nepal-s ... he-border/
Nepal has started radio warfare in bordering villages of Uttarakhand. The residents of these villages can catch Nepali Radio stations that are now playing anti-India songs from the last few months. These songs mainly state that areas like Kalapani, Lipulekh and Limpiyadhura in Uttarakhand are part of Nepal and India should return them. Nepal has recently included these areas in its new map. These songs are played several times between shows, including news bulletins. Along with anti-India sentiment, these songs also taunt Nepalese politicians for “not doing enough” to take control of the land that “belongs” to Nepal.


Nepal proposes to amend Citizenship Act that applies to all foreigners, Indian media claims it applies only to Indians and misquotes Indian law
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/indian- ... amendment/
Nepal’s ruling party Nepal Communist Party has decided to amend the country’s citizenship law to allow naturalisation of foreign women married to Nepali men only after a waiting period of seven years. The party’s secretariat took the decision after a meeting, and a bill to amend the Citizenship Act will be sent to the Parliament for approval.

“Today’s Secretariat meeting has concluded that foreign women marrying to Nepali men should be given naturalized citizenship after seven years upon showing the proof of renouncement of previous citizenship or a similar document,” party spokesperson Narayan Kaji Shrestha said after the meeting. The matter of waiting period for foreign women married to Nepali men has been discussed in the country for two years now. The matter has been discussed in the federal parliament several times in the last two years, and the State Affairs and Good Governance Committee of Parliament has held over 140 meetings over it since the bill was first registered.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Sachin » 22 Jun 2020 15:17

Nepal obstructing Bihar govt from flood prevention-related work (ToI)
Nepal seems to be needling us bit by bit. Don't know if this is also a 'main stream media' dance drama with a larger than life portrayal of the events. All said and done this seems to be more of tantrum throwing than any serious posturing.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby darshan » 22 Jun 2020 17:18

Bengal’s Unilateral Move To Stop Movement Of Cargo Vessels On India-Nepal Border Riles Kathmandu
https://swarajyamag.com/world/bengals-u ... -kathmandu
Bengal has unilaterally blocked the entry of trucks carrying tea and cardamom from Nepal at the border transit point of Kakarvitta in north Bengal.

Coming at a time when relations between the two countries have hit a very rough patch, this can cause further deterioration in ties.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Sachin » 22 Jun 2020 18:16

darshan wrote:Coming at a time when relations between the two countries have hit a very rough patch, this can cause further deterioration in ties.

To be frank, this would be one time which I would be agreeing with Didi and W.B Govt. We need to start causing minor hindrances to Nepal's import and export so that they realise that their present attitude is not going to help them. I am not for 'burning bridges' etc, but at times we need to use some force to bring the other party to the discussion table.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 22 Jun 2020 18:33

First Handign over Rui village to CHina, Then CPC training all of Oli men and now denying his farmers fertilizer. Oli is a disaster for Nepal.

https://english.khabarhub.com/2020/21/106248/

https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/06/22/food-insecurity-economic-slowdown-loom-as-acute-shortage-of-fertilisers-is-going-to-hit-paddy-production


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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby amar_p » 23 Jun 2020 16:52

Oli has sold out totally to the Chinese, while on one side they are blocking anti erosion work of Bihar Govt,

China could set up border outposts in encroached territories: Nepal govt document
Massive road development projects in the Tibet Autonomous Region have led to rivers changing their course and expanding China’s boundary into northern territories of Nepal, a document by Nepal’s agriculture department has warned.

The document, accessed by Hindustan Times, said patches of Nepalese territory in several districts had already been encroached by China and cautioned that Beijing could take over more territory in the north if the rivers continue to change course. The loss of Nepalese territory due to the rivers changing course could run into “hundreds of hectare land”, it said.

“There is a high possibility that over the period of time, China may develop its Border Observation Post of Armed Police in those territories,” the document by the agriculture ministry’s survey department said.

Nepal, which shares a boundary with China in the north, has 43 hills and mountains from the east to west, that act as the natural boundary between the two countries. The two countries have six check posts, essentially for trade.

The survey department has assessed that the changing course of 11 rivers had already cost Nepal 36 hectare, or 0.36 sq km, across four of its districts; Humla, Rasuwa, Sindhupalchowk and Sankhuwasabha.

The encroachment of 36 hectare land by China had been first reported to the KP Sharma Oli-led government last year. There were some street protests after the loss of Nepalese territory to China emerged in the local media But the Oli government, who is accused by his detractors of attempting to cosy up to China’s communist party, played down the encroachment by the Chinese and channeled the public outrage against India over the new maps issued by New Delhi in November last after the erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir was split into two union territories.

Instead, PM Oli went on to amp up the differences with India over Kalapani, Limpiyadhura and Lipulekh spread across 330 sq km in May this year after Chinese intervention helped him survive a rebellion within the party in April. That intervention, however, meant that he had to scrap two ordinances promulgated just five days earlier.

PM Oli had seized the opportunity after defence minister Rajnath Singh opened an 80-km road that ends at Lipulekh Pass on the border with China.

Analysts in New Delhi and Kathmandu believe that PM Oli’s hard push to Nepal’s new political map was an effort to whip up ultra-nationalistic sentiments targetted at India to consolidate his position in the government and the party. This is why he did, a diplomat in New Delhi said, PM Oli did not inform Parliament before it voted on the map earlier this month that he had ignored an offer of dialogue between the foreign secretaries of the two countries. Instead, he gave parliamentarians the impression that his government was forced to push the envelope since New Delhi had declined his offer for dialogue.

New Delhi hardened its position after the map was cleared by parliament this month, asserting that it was for him to create a conducive atmosphere in case he is interested in a bilateral dialogue on the boundary issue.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby darshan » 23 Jun 2020 18:59

China Annexes Nepal's Village, Occupies Strategic Land At 11 Locations As Nepali Communist Govt Stays Mum
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/china-ann ... -stays-mum

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Postby Ambar » 23 Jun 2020 19:40

If the above is indeed true then its yet another intelligence and policy failure on our part. US and USSR nearly nuked the entire world during the cuban missile crises which threatened the security of US mainland. China taking over strategic land in Nepal is no different than Soviet Union installing missile system in Cuba .

India needs to punish the rulers of Nepal and not the ordinary Nepalese who are our brothers and sisters. Up the ante against the Nepalese commies in Nepalese news media, prop up the opposition, go after the financial assets of Nepalese commie rulers in India. Above all we really, really need to improve our intelligence. Sheikh Hasina is in her 70s and its anybody's guess who will control Bangladesh after her. Another Ziaur Rahman in Bangladesh and we'll have a 4th front against us.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby amar_p » 23 Jun 2020 23:01

Agree 100%. Once this border crisis is over, NaMo should actually start purging these decrepit and dishonest babus from all parts of Civil Services if India wants to get anywhere.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 24 Jun 2020 15:42

didn't take too long for the chameleon hans to show their true colors


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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby darshan » 27 Jun 2020 16:50

A campaign needs to be kicked off by Indian govt to educate Nepali and bhutani people that China is coming to take over.

By now I would have thought that company like Jio would have figured out how to kick off many chinese apps out but that's not happened. Almost looking like that these Indian companies themselves take directions from elsewhere to not create platforms that can limit ability to manipulate elections of non Indian actors.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby kancha » 30 Jun 2020 19:32

Shared some thoughts on the current state of India-Nepal Relationship

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Firstly, the map being passed was inevitable. No politician worth his salt would want to vote AGAINST a resolution calling for ADDING territory to his country.

It doesn’t matter that Nepal chose only now to come up with an entirely new map after all these years of existence as an an independent Nation. Heck, even in their boundary agreement with China in 1961, where there was practically NO involvement of India, their map was what is shown below – WITHOUT the now famous finger-type protrusion.


Talking about the communist led govt in Nepal, what adds to the incredulity of the entire situation is the sheer timing of the act of claiming Indian territory – right in the middle of a standoff with China that is ruled by fellow commies.

With both their VERY large neighbours involved in a serious conflict, any prudent govt might have thought of delaying raking up the issue.

But then, the key word here is ‘Prudent’.

With Comrade Oli and his credentials, I have no doubt that he was batting on behalf of his commie masters in Beijing who were only seeking to open up another front against India.

Yes, I call them Masters because that is what they are, rosy ‘ideals’ of communism notwithstanding. The Middle Kingdom considers NO ONE as an equal, least of all a small country like Nepal.

But whatever be the motive, now the deed is done. Suffice it to say, it cannot be undone by any future parliament of Nepal – which parliamentarian would vote to ‘give away’ territory to another country, huh?


What I am coming to is that China and Nepal can NEVER be what India and Nepal have been over millennia – bound by a common cultural and even familial ties. Now add to that, the ties of blood that countless Gorkha brothers of Nepal have shed with fellow soldiers of the Indian Army.

I call it a ‘rishta’ of Roti, Beti aur Lahoo.

This is a bond that has lasted through thick and thin for more than two centuries.

Even today, as per a newspaper report I came across some days ago, more than 30,000 Nepalese citizens continue to serve in the Indian Army.

One thing that surely must have crossed the minds of the powers that be in New Delhi in recent weeks would have been their continued availability in case Nepal didn’t permit those on leave to rejoin in this moment of grave crisis on LAC, citing Coronavirus related lockdown. Heck, with Nepal still under lockdown, I’m not sure if the Indian soldiers out there have actually been able to rejoin their battalions or not.

This is potentially a really serious issue, with attendant repercussions on continued recruitment of Nepalese citizens in Indian Army.

I’m sure there will be atleast a few in Nepal who say they don’t want their fellow citizens to serve in another country’s army.

Logically, it is a fair demand as well.

But then, how might they employ the 30,000 odd citizens who might find themselves out of a job if that happens?

Add to that an average salary of approx INR 40K per month that would translate into INR 120 crore of remittance to Nepal every month, and repercussions are apparent.


But thankfully, this is NOT going to happen anytime soon!

India-Nepal relations are different, much different than India’s relations with any of its other neighbours.

To be fair, it is natural for a small neighbour to play bigger neighbours against each other for its own benefit. In fact, Nepal is not the only Indian neighbour doing that.

In the larger scheme of things it hardly matters, so long as it doesn’t impact own national interests.

So much so, that not many know that Nepal is one of the VERY FEW countries of the world that actually provide VISA-FREE entry to Pakistanis!

Yup, IC-814 hijackers too got logistical assistance from Kathmandu.

Sanctions imposed on Nepal in the aftermath were not very helpful to their economy either.

Yet the visa-free entry to Pakistan continues.

India never made a fuss about that.

Yet, fact remains that Nepal has also long been a preferred entry point into India by Pakistani terrorists.


Then there are bombastic statements by so many on Nepalese side about they enforcing their claims by use of military.

Well .. to them I’ll say .. be my guest.

But before that I’ll ask them a few questions.

The first question is – what happens after the first bullet is fired? Is there any realistic way in which they can claim that they’ll prevail?

Yes, the Gorkhas make some of the best soldiers in the world. I have absolutely no doubts about that. It is a well deserved reputation, earned through much blood and toil.

But to say that they can just go an grab territory under Indian control is a bit .. well .. fantastical IMO.

But thankfully, this is something I don’t see happening. And thank God for that.


All said and done, it would be a sad day indeed if the GOI ends up enforcing another blockade of Nepal.

Or if remittances / financial grants etc from India, that could be upto 10% of their nominal GDP, get affected.

Will China be able to provide economic opportunities to Nepalese citizens that India provides? Or a conduit to oil and other essential imports?

Or continue to provide opportunities to hoodwink the SAFTA as Oli and his ‘boys’ were caught doing recently by importing Malaysian palm oil after India stopped imports, and then re-selling it to India as ‘Nepalese’ palm oil?


However, even if that happens, thing remains that Nepal has CONSTITUTIONALLY adopted a new map.

This is a fact that just cannot be wished away.

This is something that can potentially be a lasting thorn in India-Nepal relations.

Might there be a way out of this mess that Oli has ended up creating?

The only option that comes to mind is for Nepal to go to the International Court of Justice or some such international forum to settle the issue either which way.

That apart, I don’t see any way out that might be acceptable to both sides. But it will be better to sort out this mess any which way possible, at the earliest. Once again, even if at the cost of repetition, I’ll say that civilizational ties cannot be wished away.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby KL Dubey » 30 Jun 2020 21:11

Civilizational and cultural ties are not useful unless they are actuated/exploited at the right times. I guess Ladakh, Sikkim, and Bhutan all have similar ties to Tibet, but that did not prevent the CCP from taking over Tibet.

So, one must "think the unthinkable", i.e. that the PLA might drive down the 2-3 Himalayan roads between China and Nepal, occupy the mountainous part of Nepal including Kathmandu "to help their commie comrade in distress" hence the People's Republic of Nepal (or Nepal SAR) could come into existence. Pro-India people would have to flee for the terai regions which might become part of India - but we would lose the Himalayan areas. I am sure somebody has thought through this scenario in the goremint. We should pre-empt any of these issues by annexation of Nepal ASAP.

Things are a little different from Bhutan, where there is still an opening for a Sikkim-like annexation/accession driven by the feelings of the people. I say now is the time to weigh upon the Bhutanese leadership to perform self-accession to India.

I also believe non-military annexation is possible in Nepal but more of a push is required (my previous post listed the preparatory steps that could be taken). Including another 2 crore people in all of Modi's schemes will cost very little. Forget the commie leadership and the miniscule "twitterati" Nepali community...the majority of common Nepalis will want to be with India any day. I am sure the rest will want to apply for an Indian passport rather than be stateless.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby KL Dubey » 30 Jun 2020 22:46

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/nepals-ruling-party-leaders-demand-pm-olis-resignation/articleshow/76713095.cms

It looks like moves are afoot to remove the "Nepali Yameen". It seems like under Modi sarkar, whoever in the neighborhood takes anti-India steps instigated by China risks biting the dust. Yameen is currently in the slammer until 2025. Let's see what happens to Sharmaji.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby disha » 02 Jul 2020 07:03

I have a contrarian view. I think India should allow Oli to continue to be at helm. Oli should cause many fissures in the Nepali Communist Party while a Nepali Hindu Dharma Party should start formation.

Cheen should be seen controlling Oli and Oli should be seen publicly to be doing Cheen's bidding. In fact, Nepal should be made to gift away some territory to Cheen as well, as per demands of the Cheeni ambassador. In fact, the entire country should be seen as running under the writ of the cheeni ambassador!

You want to set up a dairy shop, you need the ambassador involved. Nepali PM becomes the figure head with real power coming from Cheeni Ambassador.

Nepali PM goes on foreign jaunts, a special Cheeni representative of the Cheeni Ambassador should accompany Oli.

In the meantime, India should start working towards absorbing Nepal a protectorate. For every move which Nepal does for hurting Indians like denying citizen ship rights for women, an opposite should be done by India. For example, all Nepali men or women married to Indian and applying for Indian citizenship should be fast-tracked. If it is a Nepali women, we should treat them as gruh-lakshmis and provide a package for them under beti padhao yojna.

In 2-3 years the lines are so blurred that Nepali citizens will be ready to hoist the commies and particularly cheeni commies on their own petards.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby KL Dubey » 02 Jul 2020 07:28

disha wrote:I have a contrarian view. I think India should allow Oli to continue to be at helm. Oli should cause many fissures in the Nepali Communist Party

This is already done. He's continued for a while and caused the fissures.

while a Nepali Hindu Dharma Party should start formation.

Bharatiya Janata Party should start ASAP in Nepal.

Cheen should be seen controlling Oli and Oli should be seen publicly to be doing Cheen's bidding. In fact, Nepal should be made to gift away some territory to Cheen as well, as per demands of the Cheeni ambassador. In fact, the entire country should be seen as running under the writ of the cheeni ambassador!

All these are already done. Why keep repeating ?

You want to set up a dairy shop, you need the ambassador involved. Nepali PM becomes the figure head with real power coming from Cheeni Ambassador.

Ditto. Already the case.

Nepali PM goes on foreign jaunts, a special Cheeni representative of the Cheeni Ambassador should accompany Oli.

We can't control that.

In the meantime, India should start working towards absorbing Nepal a protectorate. For every move which Nepal does for hurting Indians like denying citizen ship rights for women, an opposite should be done by India. For example, all Nepali men or women married to Indian and applying for Indian citizenship should be fast-tracked. If it is a Nepali women, we should treat them as gruh-lakshmis and provide a package for them under beti padhao yojna.

Why take this laborious route ? Just declare all Nepalis as Indian citizens with the rights appertaining thereof, including all Union government schemes, and de-recognize Nepal as a sovereign state. There you have a protectorate (which is basically not a sovereign state by definition) ready to be absorbed.

Another option is to declare them Indian "nationals" instead of "citizens" in the interim. Nationals get (say) 80% of the full rights, with the promise of the remaining 20% if they become citizens. The US makes a distinction between citizens and nationals (like folks in Guam, Samoa etc).


In 2-3 years the lines are so blurred that Nepali citizens will be ready to hoist the commies and particularly cheeni commies on their own petards.

That would be great, but the integration of Nepal is the greater objectives. Communism is already dying in India.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby m_saini » 02 Jul 2020 07:31

disha wrote:
In 2-3 years the lines are so blurred that Nepali citizens will be ready to hoist the commies and particularly cheeni commies on their own petards.


That time would never come because in this scenario the Nepali would have the best of both worlds and wouldn't need to revolt.

Even if it does come, what's stopping CCP to gift their nepali servants a tiananmen of their own?

No-one appreciates things given to them freely and it'll be the nice guy Indians who would end up beside those petards.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 02 Jul 2020 15:52

@kpsharmaoli is now caught between the "godless" cheeni and "too much god" im the dim


Palki Sharma@palkisu·5h

Pakistan fishing in the troubled waters of Nepal. Reports say
@ImranKhanPTI has sought time for a phone call with @kpsharmaoli.

Oli’s party has demanded that he step down.

Like a seasoned politician lacking imagination he’s got himself admitted to hospital citing “chest pain.”

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 03 Jul 2020 15:01

the shady trade practices of nepal which probably does not have even a single oil palm tree. They cheaply import in bulk from malayasia and repackage for the retail trade market in India and insist on using such sleights of hand to justify their unwarranted presence in the markets of India.

politicians in bihar and bengal are complicit in such "imports" by playing the system and leveraging their party affiliations to "obtain" import licenses.


India’s Suspension Of Palm Oil Imports From Nepal Could Hit Kathmandu’s Trade Balance Next Fiscal, Suggest Data

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 04 Jul 2020 00:12

a possible cheeni honey rap in nepal and an infatuated semi literate old codger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P63KaavOBQ


Definitely, Maybe? Why is Oli giving the Chinese ambassador absolute powers?





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hou yanqi, chinese ambassador in nepal and oli

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 04 Jul 2020 00:17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axRGATwnTxo


Hou Yanqi, Chinese Ambassador in Nepal - De-facto Ruler Of Nepal



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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby m_saini » 04 Jul 2020 01:21

How is it that people in such powerful positions fall prey to scams like a honey trap. I mean i would understand if people on minimum wage, who couldn't afford high end escorts, would be unable to resist such cheap temptations but heads of state?

Like if you're going to sell your country out alteast do it for a couple billion dollars to make it respectable and not for some cheap chini women.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby chetak » 04 Jul 2020 02:05

m_saini wrote:How is it that people in such powerful positions fall prey to scams like a honey trap. I mean i would understand if people on minimum wage, who couldn't afford high end escorts, would be unable to resist such cheap temptations but heads of state?

Like if you're going to sell your country out alteast do it for a couple billion dollars to make it respectable and not for some cheap chini women.


old han saying

confucius say: a stiff plick has no conscience.

BTW, this broad is fifty years old.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby kit » 04 Jul 2020 03:49

chetak wrote:a possible cheeni honey rap in nepal and an infatuated semi literate old codger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P63KaavOBQ


Definitely, Maybe? Why is Oli giving the Chinese ambassador absolute powers?





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hou yanqi, chinese ambassador in nepal and oli


Oli seems well oiled by the snake oil sales woman :lol:

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby m_saini » 04 Jul 2020 04:05

chetak wrote:
old han saying

confucius say: a stiff plick has no conscience.

BTW, this broad is fifty years old.


:rotfl:

Someone has to remind Oli that the scale goes from 1 to 10 not 1 to 100

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Mollick.R » 04 Jul 2020 14:57

India’s Suspension Of Palm Oil Imports From Nepal Could Hit Kathmandu’s Trade Balance Next Fiscal, Suggest Data

by M R Subramani-Jul 3, 2020 02:20 PM

Palm oil and soybean oil have come to Nepal’s rescue in merchandise trade, accounting for 32.3 per cent of the value of the Himalayan nation's export earnings during the first 11 months of its current fiscal year.

India has suspended giving permission to import of palm oil from Nepal since May and it continues until now. If the suspension continues, a likelihood in view of the aggressive posture by Nepal against India on border and other issues, Nepal's trade balance could be badly affected.

According to Nepal’s Trade and Export Centre, palm oil exports made up Nepal rupees (NR) Rs 1,831 crore (approximately Indian Rs 1,139 crore) or 20.8 per cent out of total export earnings of NR 8,800 crore.

Soybean oil contributed NR 1,012 crore (Indian Rs 629 crore) or 11.5 per cent of total export earnings. Nepal’s financial year runs from the Hindu calendar of Shravan to Asar (mid-July).

Polyester, cotton and other yarn exports were the third-best making up 7.6 per cent of the total export earnings. A feature of palm oil and soybean oil exports was that their value doubled and nearly quadrupled respectively in the first 11 months.

While palm oil exports value increased 110.5 per cent compared with the previous fiscal, that of soybean oil surged 393.5 per cent during the same period.

However, compared to exports, their imports — termed as crude palm and soybean oils — made up 3.1 per cent of the total value. Palm oil imports by Nepal were valued at NR 1,616 crore and soybean shipments at NR 1,213 crore.

Nepal total imports were valued at NR 11,008 crore with petroleum product shipments making up nearly 18 per cent. While the value of Nepal exports, thanks to the edible oil shipments, increased by a meagre 0.2 per cent, imports value were down 15 per cent during the period.

According to officials in the Solvent Extractors Association of India, this is a clear indication of Nepal misusing the South Asia Free Trade Area (SAFTA) agreement, particularly by violating the “rules of origin”.

The “rules of origin” requires a product exported from a specified country to originate or be produced from there itself. In the case of palm and soybean oils, Nepal neither produces them nor has refineries to process crude oils it imports.

However, the Nepal government contends that while shipping out palm and soybean oils, its traders are meeting the 30 per cent value addition norms for exporting these commodities.

Nepal’s Trade and Export Centre has specifically stated that it has imported crude palm and soybean oils, but it has not mentioned in what form were both these vegetable oils re-exported defining merely as palm oil and soybean oil.

A sharp rise in the value of these edible oil exports is the reason why Nepal’s trade deficit has dropped this fiscal. The export-import ratio of Nepal’s trade this fiscal is 1:12.5 against 1:1.48 last fiscal.

If India continues to prevent import of palm oil from Nepal, then the export-import ration could be skewed further in favour of imports.

On the other hand, there could be a drop in its import bill too as palm oil and soybean oil purchases by Nepal will drop sharply.

The data is significant on the heels of a hue and cry raised by Nepal over India cancelling permission to import palm oil from the Himalayan nation.

Under SAFTA pact, imports from Nepal are allowed duty-free. Some of Indian importers get these vegetable oils into Nepal at lower duty and then misuse the agreement to land them into India without paying any customs duty.

This happens mainly in Bihar and West Bengal bordering Nepal.

In May this year, Indian cancelled permission to import 2.93 lakh tonnes of refined palm oil from Nepal for misuse of SAFTA agreement. Almost all these consignments were being imported by traders in Bihar and Bengal.

The cancellation of permission was part of the Narendra Modi government’s efforts to block imports of cheaper palm oil into the country that affected Indian oilseed growers.

On 11 May, Nepal urged India to allow its traders to export palm oil and tea to the Indian market. The status quo remains as India continues to deny access to these products in its market.

In January this year, the Centre put imports of refined palm oil in restricted list, which means getting permission from the Directorate-General of Foreign Trade (DGFT). Besides duty on imports of crude palm oil and refined vegetable oils were raised to protect Indian oilseed growers.

Besides palm oil, India has also stopped imports of tea from Nepal as it has dragged down the prices of Darjeeling tea. Since May, exports of palm oil and tea from Nepal have come to a halt, according to the Himalayan nation's media.

India’s relations with Nepal have been strained of late with the latter objecting to New Delhi’s inauguration of a road on the Lipu Lekh Pass. Kathmandu has also complicated the relations by coming out with a new political map including Indian areas as its parts.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby kit » 04 Jul 2020 16:36

Meantime Jihadi didi is working overtime to cause a rift between Bangladesh and India.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/bengal-bump-hits-bangladesh-ties/articleshow/76778778.cms

Hope we wont need to add BD to this thread !!

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby eklavya » 04 Jul 2020 22:39

Very interesting article. Puts the political shenanigans in Nepal into context.

How the strongest communist force in Nepali history came so close to imploding

KP Sharma Oli is prepared to put his personal interest ahead of self-respect, party interest and national interest.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Jul 2020 06:30

eklavya wrote:Very interesting article. Puts the political shenanigans in Nepal into context.

How the strongest communist force in Nepali history came so close to imploding

KP Sharma Oli is prepared to put his personal interest ahead of self-respect, party interest and national interest.

He has already put Chinese Interests way above what Nepal needs, so what can one say for such a man.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby KL Dubey » 06 Jul 2020 08:11

Ollie (yes he does look like the bigger half of Stan and Ollie) may resign soon, possibly today.

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Re: Nepal and Bhutan News and discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Jul 2020 17:26

KL Dubey wrote:Ollie (yes he does look like the bigger half of Stan and Ollie) may resign soon, possibly today.


No, Xi and CCP are investing hugely and openly making sure he stays in office.

https://thehimalayantimes.com/kathmandu/chinese-envoy-hou-yanqi-meets-with-another-senior-ncp-leader/

https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/yanqi-nepal-meet-chinas-bid-to-keep-ncp-united/


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