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Postby A_Gupta » 29 Jun 2015 20:04

http://www.asianage.com/india/myanmar-a ... -india-025
A high-power delegation led by the Commander-in-Chief of the Myanmar Army will visit India in the first week of July to fine-tune strategy to tackle the situation arising out of the presence of Indian Insurgents in Myanmar.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 942422.cms
"Myanmar reluctant to aid India in rebel crackdown"
Despite intense efforts from India, Myanmar doesn't seem to be very enthusiastic about cracking down on Indian militant groups that have taken refuge in its territory.

According to latest assessments, Myanmar troops have visited a few militant camps that operate in India, and warned them to move out. "However, we do not see any solid action on their part," an intelligence official said.

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Postby SSridhar » 16 Jul 2015 14:58

For diplomacy with a Buddhist touch - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line
Faced with growing isolation and hostility from the US and its western allies, Myanmar’s military rulers turned to China for economic and military assistance. As reports emerged of Chinese military bases and monitoring facilities across Myanmar, in the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea, concern grew in India. I raised our concerns with a senior minister from Myanmar. He replied: “You have nothing to worry about. I may go to China for weapons and support, but I have to go for salvation to Bodh Gaya.” Not surprisingly, even when isolated, Myanmar provided no naval bases to China and widened its diplomatic options by joining Asean.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 099886.cms
India, Myanmar to fight 'terrorism' jointly
NEW DELHI: India and Myanmar agreed to fight "terrorism and insurgent activity in all its forms and manifestations" during the visit of Myanmar foreign minister U Wunna Maung Lwin, following discussions with Sushma Swaraj on Thursday. The first high level visit from Myanmar after India's military operation inside that country. India has agreed to help in the modernization of the Myanmar army and even help build up a navy for Myanmar. Lwin had met prime minister Modi and NSA Ajit Doval on Wednesday.

The visit, the first after India's cross-border raids into Myanmar to destroy insurgent camps is a sign that both sides want to minimize gaps in political and security engagement between them. While foreign secretary S. Jaishankar had visited Myanmar before the army operation national security adviser, Ajit Doval had gone post raids and a PR mess-up inside India, to thank Myanmar and soothe ruffled feathers within their system.

An enhanced political and security engagement is felt to be necessary given that Naga insurgents, along with ULFA leader Paresh Barua are apparently using Myanmar territory to target India. It is also important for India, because a rift between India and Myanmar would only benefit China, which is believed to be playing a dubious role in the rise of violence in the northeast.


Writing about the raids, Bertil Lintner, one of the best known experts in the world on Myanmar, says "The Chinese may not want to set India's northeast ablaze, but it is in Beijing's interest to cause frictions and disruptions in Burma's relations with India. Over the past four years, Burma has distanced itself from its old ally China—and established closer contacts not only with the West but also India. A closer, more cordial relationship between Burma and India is not in China's interest. Instability along the border—rebel raids into India and retaliatory, Indian cross-border attacks—would serve that purpose."

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Bertil Lintner article:
http://www.irrawaddy.org/contributor/my ... order.html

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It is unclear what prompted the NSCN-K’s decision to go back to war, but the brain behind the ULFWSA is not Khaplang—who is in his mid-70s and, because of his age and stature in the Naga Hills of Burma, was made the official head of the alliance—but the younger and much more dynamic ULFA leader Paresh Barua. While Bhattacharyya and Gogoi met him at Taga, he is known to be spending most of his time in China. The weapons used by the united-front rebels are acquired from arms dealers on China, or they are made in a gun factory at Pangwa, just across the border in Kachin State. Pangwa is in an area controlled by Zakhung Ting Ying, a former commander of the Communist Party of Burma who made peace with the Burmese government in 1989 and now heads a local, government-recognized militia force. Ting Ying is also a member of the Amyotha Hluttaw, the Upper House of Burma’s Parliament.

The factory is known to have been producing automatic rifles, pistols, revolvers and shotguns—and among Ting Ying’s customers are rebels from India’s northeast. The guns are transported in vehicles along the road down to Myitkyina and on to Mogaung and the jade mining area at Hpakant. From there—in order to bypass areas controlled by the Kachin Independence Army, which would levy “taxes” in cash or in kind on the shipments—the guns are transported along smaller roads to Singkaling Hhamti and beyond. Guns from China are smuggled across the Burma border at Ruili and then trucked via Lashio, Mandalay and Monywa up to the Indian border.

So is China involved with the Indian rebels, as alleged in many press reports in India? Perhaps not directly, but it is evident that Chinese security services, at the very least, are turning a blind eye to the traffic—which would serve China’s geopolitical interests in the region. Apart from sheltering Barua, Chinese intelligence officers are also known to have visited the camp near Taga on more than one occasion.

The Chinese may not want to set India’s northeast ablaze, but it is in Beijing’s interest to cause frictions and disruptions in Burma’s relations with India. Over the past four years, Burma has distanced itself from its old ally China—and established closer contacts not only with the West but also India. A closer, more cordial relationship between Burma and India is not in China’s interest. Instability along the border—rebel raids into India and retaliatory, Indian cross-border attacks—would serve that purpose.

It is to China’s advantage that Burma’s authorities are paying only scant interest in events along the country’s western border. As long as the Indian rebels are not bothering the Burma Army, they are being left alone. According to a testimony by an Indian soldier who took part in the June cross-border raids and published in the Indian press, the operation was kept secret even for the Burma Army officers in the area so they would not tip off the Indian rebels in advance. Several of those officers are collecting protection money from the Indian rebels, the soldier alleged. It is also clear that the Burmese government was not informed about the Indian cross-border raids until after they had taken place.

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Postby SSridhar » 17 Jul 2015 05:54

India to strengthen military ties with Myanmar - Business Line
India has reaffirmed its commitment to support the modernisation of the Myanmar Armed Forces and would be happy to share its experience in functioning in a democratic environment, cooperation in the field of IT, in dealing with emerging security challenges, and military to military cooperation including in training.

This was indicated by Sushma Swaraj, External Affairs Minister, to U Wunna Maung Lwin, Foreign Minister of Myanmar, at the first meeting of the India-Myanmar Joint Consultative Commission which was held here on Thursday. Both leaders reiterated the assurance that territories of either country would not be allowed to be used for activities inimical to the other.

It was also agreed that the first meeting of the India-Myanmar Joint Boundary Working Group, with a mandate to address all outstanding boundary issues, would be held in New Delhi at the earliest.

In view of the general elections in Myanmar in November, Swaraj extended the services of the Election Commission of India.

Both the Ministers said there was considerable potential for greater trade and urged the business community to capitalise on this potential.

Investments by Indian companies in areas like ports, power, agro-industries, forest products, mining, construction industry, consumer goods, highways, oil and gas, plantation, manufacturing, hospitality and ICT would be specifically encouraged, said a statement.

The two leaders also agreed that both governments would work to identify and remove various impediments to bilateral trade.

The Ministers said they looked forward to meeting of Joint Trade Investment Forum scheduled to be held later this year in Chennai and noted that this forum, chaired by senior business leaders of each side, would facilitate expansion of bilateral trade and investment.

Myanmar took note of India’s proposal to consider granting a license to an Indian bank to open a branch in Myanmar so as to facilitate greater Indian trade and investment into that country.

The two Ministers emphasised the need for closer cooperation to further energy security and agreed to encourage investment by Indian companies in the petroleum industry.

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Postby SSridhar » 17 Jul 2015 06:48

Some more info on the India-Myanmar FMs meeting
Link - The Hindu
A little over a month after India led a counter-terrorism operation against militants in Myanmar, both countries have agreed to intensify cooperation between security forces and border guarding agencies to fight insurgency and secure the border areas. India has also agreed to help in modernisation of the Myanmar army and development of its naval forces.

Following the first meeting of the India-Myanmar Joint Consultative Commission, chaired by External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and the Myanmar Foreign Affairs Minister U Wunna Maung Lwin on Thursday, it was announced that the two countries would work together to “fight the scourge of terrorism and insurgent activity in all its forms and manifestations.”

According to a joint statement, regular meetings of the bilateral regional border committee will be held for better border management and both sides have reiterated that territories of either country would not be allowed to be used for activities inimical to the other. The Ministers also discussed the need for undertaking negotiations for early conclusion of the MoU on movement of people across the land border.

To resolve the border issues, a meeting of the India-Myanmar Joint Boundary Working Group will be scheduled soon and a joint survey will be undertaken to inspect the earth blockage site on the Ti-Ho (Tizu) river on the India-Myanmar border to inspect the efforts made by local authorities of Mizoram to remove the debris and restore the normal course of the river.

As per the joint statement, Ms. Swaraj said India was committed to supporting the modernisation of the Myanmar armed forces and in building a professional and capable Myanmar navy to safeguard and ensure its maritime security. The two sides also agreed to foster cooperation in the energy sector, trade and commerce.

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The Irrawaddy ‏@IrrawaddyNews

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Postby A_Gupta » 26 Jul 2015 18:48

Two news-reports - one saying Myanmar moved troops near the Indian border to help address India's security concerns; the other saying Myanmar moved troops near the Indian border out of anger, to preclude any more cross-border strikes by India. Which one is true?

https://www.strategypage.com/qnd/myanma ... 50726.aspx
July 26, 2015: The government has openly declared that it will cooperate with India to prevent Indian rebel groups from establishing bases inside Burma. Since early June the army has sent several thousand additional troops to the 1,643 kilometer long Indian border. Burma admits it is responsible for detecting and expelling these illegal visitors but most of the border area is thinly populated forests and mountains and it is very difficult to get troops into the area and very expensive to support them as they seek out and deal with any intruders. The cooperation with India goes beyond sharing intelligence and coordinating security operations on both sides of the border. India has also, since June, sent a few more battalions to areas the rebels seem to prefer to cross at and increased patrols on the Indian side of the border. This makes it more difficult for the rebels to move to their Burma sanctuaries but does not stop them. Because of the recent (June 4 th ) rebel ambush inside India, by Indian rebels using Burmese bases, the Burmese army will use Indian intelligence on routes the rebels are using to cross the border and have Burmese troops watch and block these routes. Getting all the Burmese reinforcements in place has largely been completed.


http://www.ptinews.com/news/6302919_Mya ... order.html
Myanmar has deployed an additional brigade comprising around 6,000 men and officers along the border with India, apparently to prevent any more surgical strikes by the Indian army inside its territory.

The brigade has been deployed in addition to five already posted along the 1,643 km-long Indo-Myanmar border, a senior government official said.

The additional deployment has been apparently made to prevent Indian army commandos from carrying out any more attacks on the camps of northeastern insurgent groups based in the neighbouring country like they did on June 9, the official said quoting intelligence inputs.

Myanmar was upset with India after a crack team of about 70 commandos of the Indian army, equipped with assault rifles, rocket launchers, grenades and night vision goggles, was airdropped from helicopters and they attacked two camps being run by NSCN-K and KYKL militants inside that country.

The operation was carried out after the Naga militants killed 18 soldiers in an ambush in Chandel area of Manipur on June 4.

Days after the attack, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval had visited Nay Pyi Taw and briefed Myanmarese leadership, which was upset over the operation conducted by Indian troops on their territory. He had explained New Delhi's position vis-a-vis the militant groups, which were involved in subversive activities in the Northeast, the official said.

Myanmar was believed to have conveyed its displeasure to India during the Joint Consultative Commission (JCC) meeting held here on July 16. The meeting was co-chaired by External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and her Myanmarese counterpart U Wunna Maung Lwin.

"It is clear that they didn't take kindly the way we carried out the operation. It was reflected in discussions," the official said.


I'm suspicious of the second report because it is colored by the views of this unnamed official who is leaking. Certainly Burmese troop moves can be interpreted in each way. What is the truth?

If I go with the joint statement by India MEA and Myanmar:
http://mea.gov.in/bilateral-documents.h ... Commission

DEFENCE AND SECURITY COOPERATION

9. Both Ministers reaffirmed their shared commitment to fight the scourge of terrorism and insurgent activity in all its forms and manifestations. They emphasized the need for enhanced cooperation between security forces and border guarding agencies for securing peace, security and stability in the border areas which is crucial for overall development. In this context, the two leaders welcomed regular meetings of the bilateral Regional Border Committee which promotes such cooperation and understanding for better border management. Both leaders reiterated the assurance that territories of either country would not be allowed to be used for activities inimical to the other.

10. Both Ministers alluded to the importance of sound border management as an intrinsic part of maintaining border security. In this context, they agreed that negotiations should be conducted to enable early conclusion of the bilateral MoU on Movement of People across the Land Border.

11. Both Ministers reiterated their determination to work together to resolve issue of unsettled boundary pillars in all sectors. It was agreed that first meeting of the India -Myanmar Joint Boundary Working Group, with a mandate to address all outstanding boundary issues, would be held in New Delhi at the earliest.

12.External Affairs Minister of India conveyed that a joint survey by officers of the two Foreign Ministries could be undertaken to inspect the earth blockage site on Ti-Ho (Tizu) river on India-Myanmar border to inspect the efforts made by local authorities of Mizoram to remove the debris and restore the normal course of river.



13.The two Ministers agreed that a joint visit at a senior official level would be arranged to the India-Myanmar border in Nagaland sector to understand situation in this sector.

14.External Affairs Minister of India reaffirmed that India is committed to support the modernization of Myanmar Armed Forces and would be happy to share its experience in functioning in a democratic environment, in creating a national army, cooperation in the field of IT, in dealing with emerging security challenges, and military to military cooperation including in terms of training. She also expressed India’s commitment to cooperate with Myanmar in building a professional and capable Myanmar Navy to safeguard and ensure its maritime security.

15.Referring to the ongoing discussions between the two sides on maritime security, both Ministers agreed that Maritime Security Cooperation in the Bay of Bengal is vital for both countries.


I think the first news-item is more credible.

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Re: India-Myanmar news and discussion

Postby pankajs » 27 Jul 2015 15:15

PTI mostly has CON employed folks ... many of their reports are slanted even now

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Keen to deepen security ties with India: Myanmar - PTI
Myanmar on Wednesday expressed its commitment to deepening security and defence engagement with India, weeks after Indian troops carried out a surgical strike in that country to hunt down Naga insurgents.

The commitment was conveyed by commander-in-chief of Myanmar Defence Services Senior General U Min Aung Hlaing here when he met Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who pledged to strengthen ties in all areas, including defence and security.

Hlaing appreciated India's role as a reliable development partner for Myanmar and said his country considers the relationship very important, not only as a neighbour, but also as a country with which it has longstanding historical and cultural ties, shared interests and strong people-to-people ties, a PMO statement said.

While talking about the bilateral ties, the General expressed commitment to deepening defence and security engagement with India, including in the maritime security domain, the statement said.

It added that the Prime Minister reiterated India's commitment to strengthening bilateral relationship with Myanmar in all areas, including defence and security.

On June 9, commandos of Indian Army's Special Forces covertly crossed into Myanmar and carried out a surgical strike against Naga insurgents, who were believed to be responsible for an attack on an army unit in Chandel in Manipur five days earlier.

18 army personnel had been killed and as many injured in the Chandel attack and the Indian operation in Myanmar was seen as a retaliation against that strike.

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http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/i ... 53487.html
"India airlifts food, medicines to flood-hit Myanmar"
New Delhi: India today airlifted several tonnes of rice, noodles and medicines to Myanmar which has been severely affected by cyclone Komen.

12 regions and states of Myanmar have been severely hit by the cyclone, which has led to widespread floods and landslides in that country.

Around 250,000 people have been affected and over 500,000 acres of farmland destroyed.

In response, India has dispatched emergency relief supplies to Myanmar.

Indian Air Force aircraft are in the process of delivering supplies to Kalay and Mandalay and are ready to supply to other affected areas as advised by Myanmar authorities, a statement by the Ministry of External Affairs said.

Defence sources said one C-17 from with 50-tonne load of rice, noodles and medicines was dispatched to Mandalay besides C-130 to Kalay with 10 tonnes of food and medicines.

Another aircraft with about 45 tonnes of relief material and food has landed in Guwahati to be taken to Myanmar tomorrow.

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http://www.india.com/news/world/myanmar ... ad-497373/
"Myanmar floods: Nearly 1 million affected; 99 dead"
The number of people affected by flooding across Myanmar was approaching 1 million today, with waters in the low-lying southwestern delta inundating homes and forcing villagers into temporary shelters, the government said. The death toll was on the verge of topping 100. In some places, only the roofs of homes could be seen. International aid is on the way following appeals by the government, but so far, most of the help has come from volunteers ferrying noodles, rice and clean water door-to-door in small boats. (Read: Myanmar flood death toll climbs to 88)

Heavy monsoon rains that began in late June compounded more recently by Cyclone Komen have triggered some of Myanmar’s worst flash floods and landslides in recent memory. All but two of the country’s 14 states have been affected. The death toll reached 99 today and more than 900,000 people have been affected, a third of them in the Irrawaddy Delta, said Phyu Lei Lei Tun, director of the Ministry of Social Welfare, Relief and Resettlement.

It is here in a desperately poor region known as the Rice Bowl, that several mighty rivers meet before feeding into the sea. Downstream waters have caused banks to burst, swallowing up rice paddies and homes. Zin Mar Htun was seeking refuge in a school with six family members, including her 11-month-old son, after their house was flushed away in the raging waters. “We had our own raft, so we sought refuge here,” she said. The United Nations pledged USD 9 million in assistance this past week, but so far most help has come from private citizens and non-governmental organisations.

Myanmar’s appeal was in sharp contrast to its response following Cyclone Nargis in 2008, when the nation’s then-military rulers refused international aid and largely downplayed the destruction — though more than 100,000 people were killed. A nominally civilian government now runs the country, but critics say it’s not moving quickly enough to help those in need.

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Postby SSridhar » 10 Aug 2015 07:39

The C-17s and C-130Js have come very handy in recent times. Lifting water to Maldives, rescue in Yemen, Nepal, now Myanmar.

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 530921.cms
"India asks Myanmar to hand over NSCN-K cheif Khaplang, 3 others"
NEW DELHI: India has asked Myanmar to hand over four top leaders of Naga outfit NSCN-K, including its chief S S Khaplang, holding them responsible for killing of 18 army soldiers in Manipur on June 4.

Besides Khaplang, India sought the custody of Niki Sumi, Kirichu and Asang, who were believed to have planned and supervised the attack in Manipur's Chandel district.

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Postby durairaaj » 15 Oct 2015 18:07

Ajit Doval heads to Myanmar to attend peace pact signing
From the article by Praveen Swami
The ceasefire signatories will not include the National Socialist Council of Nagalim’s S S Khaplang-led faction, ... it carried out an ambush that claimed the lives of 18 Indian soldiers.

New Delhi had retaliated by striking two insurgent camps across the border in Myanmar, killing seven insurgents.

Interesting, that he is still sticking to this number.

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Postby JE Menon » 15 Oct 2015 18:15

^^Yeah, he was there and counted.

Similarly he helped a grandma cross the LoC before that triggering violent shelling from the Indian side and, not one to be discouraged, had organised smooth seas for the fuel smugglers who were blasted out of the water by the Indian Navy, sometime after that.

Genuine do gooder, our man.

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http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/myanmar- ... ce-1232690
The Myanmar government today signed a peace accord with eight of the 15 ethnic armed groups, a ceremony which was attended by India along with other five "international witnesses".

Apart from India, which was represented by National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, other international representation was from China, Japan, Thailand, the United Nations and the European Union, official Spokesperson in the External Affairs Ministry Vikas Swarup said.

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 380359.cms
Cabinet approves revised cost for Kaladan Transit Transport Project
GUWAHATI: Union cabinet has given its approval for the Revised Cost Estimate (RCE) of Rs 2904.04 crores for the Kaladan Multi Modal Transit Transport Project in Myanmar.

The project will provide an alternate access route to the North-Eastern region of India and contribute towards the region's economic development. Being a key connectivity project, it will promote economic, commercial and strategic links between India and Myanmar.
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This project, which will connect Sittwe Port in Myanmar to the India-Myanmar border, is expected to contribute to the economic development of the North-Eastern States of India, by opening up the sea route for the products

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Postby Kakkaji » 02 Nov 2015 01:07

Trial run for India-Myanmar-Thailand highway likely from December

KOLKATA: The trial run for the India-Myanmar-Thailand (IMT) trilateral highway connecting the country with southeast Asia is likely to begin from December, an official said on Sunday.

The highway from Moreh in Manipur to Mae Sot in Thailand via Myanmar will have three verticals - passenger cars, buses and trucks.

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Re: India-Myanmar news and discussion

Postby Philip » 09 Nov 2015 19:08

Great news! Aung San Suu Kyi heading for total victory! Delhi must be delighted at the results. Another setback for China.If the scale of the victory remains true to form,then there will be little room for the military to step in.The will of the people is all to clear.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... at-victory
Myanmar elections: strong start for Aung San Suu Kyi's party as first seats declared - live
Opposition NLD wins 35 of first 36 seats declared
Ruling party acting chairman says: ‘We have more losses than wins’
‘I think you know the outcome,’ Suu Kyi leader tells jubilant party

The next round of official results are expected in the next 15 minutes, but the NDP has jumped the gun by reporting victories in 44 of the 45 seats in the lower house. So far it has taken all 32 seats announced in the lower house – all in Yangon.

AP reports:

Opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi’s party says it has won 44 of the 45 lower seats for Yangon in Myanmar’s parliamentary elections.

The National League for Democracy announced Monday that it has also swept the upper house, winning all 12 seats for Yangon, Myanmar’s biggest city.

The results were not confirmed by the government’s Election Commission, which has been releasing the results at a slow place. However, the NLD has posted representatives at counting centers who are able to give an accurate tally.

The results indicate that the NLD is heading toward a landslide victory in Sunday’s elections, and that it could expect similar outcomes from other parts of the country.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 09 Nov 2015 21:00

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Yes, it is wonderful news. But this development should have taken place 60 years ago. Burma/Myanmar should have been a democratic, pluralistic, open, friendly and philosophically enlightened country back in 1955. There's almost a conspiracy to ensure that enlightened leaders and countries do not form around India. Rather, what happens is that oligarchic, military, fundamentalist, paranoid, monoculturalist countries are the norm. Sri Lanka was the best of a bad bunch.

Well, at least , there's a chance for Myanmar. Better now, than another 60 years.

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Postby muraliravi » 19 Nov 2015 23:00

C'mon folks. Get real. Aung Sui is a western stooge to the core. Why on earth would you want a monocultural Burma to go away, they threaten India in no way, in fact they show us the way forward on how to take on islamists. The junta was getting equally comfortable with India. I see burma going the Philippines route in becoming a christian western stooge after this election. Enlightened (haha good joke) to describe aung sui. Same western educated Sh** she is preaching the burmese. She is the equivalent of sonia gandhi (just that she married a gora and gave christian names to her kids). Get ready to see more crap in our north east from american agents going forward.

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Postby muraliravi » 19 Nov 2015 23:05

http://davidalton.net/tag/michael-aris/

Read that and you will see a lot of similarities between what Mani iyer is to India and what Aung Sui is to burma. Basically she a traitor who married a catholic brit, and persistently lobbies with the west to come in a interfere in burma. I see no reason for India to be happy with this.

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Postby member_29172 » 19 Nov 2015 23:36

+1 Muraliji, nice to someone who isn't chugging the "free society" democrazy kool aid wholesale. A monocultural Myanmar and India is in our best interest. Unnecessarily promoting irrelevant cultures only creates more division where loyalties to sub cultures becomes more important than loyalty to the nation itself. And then desert religions typically create parallel political bodies with ample funding from western/saudi and so on. It's the Dharmic religions/cuture that suffer.

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Postby sum » 20 Nov 2015 04:59

Varoon Shekhar wrote:^
Yes, it is wonderful news. But this development should have taken place 60 years ago. Burma/Myanmar should have been a democratic, pluralistic, open, friendly and philosophically enlightened country back in 1955. There's almost a conspiracy to ensure that enlightened leaders and countries do not form around India. Rather, what happens is that oligarchic, military, fundamentalist, paranoid, monoculturalist countries are the norm. Sri Lanka was the best of a bad bunch.

Well, at least , there's a chance for Myanmar. Better now, than another 60 years.

^^ Isnt She literally a Western asset and wont this create a EJ activity explosion in the NE?

IIRC, the junta seemed to have turned around in the last few years and were actively helping India. Would this continue with "western guided" new govt?


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Postby member_29325 » 22 Jan 2016 01:15

China-Myanmar partnership

the past few months have seen a determined push by Beijing to re-engage Myanmar economically and politically, reminding Naypyidaw that it sees the country as a key strategic neighbour, particularly in the wake of recent general elections.

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Postby SSridhar » 22 Jan 2016 09:13

^The Chinese are determined to re-start the stalled projects. They want to massage the Ms. Kyi's party and get the favours that the Generals used to bestow upon them once but which had stopped in the last few years.

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Postby member_29325 » 07 Feb 2016 04:57

Push to unite Zo tribes in the Myanmar-India border

“No matter where we have been born or brought up, we will not lose our common identity of being Zo descendants. Interstate borders or international borders cannot separate our brotherhood,” he said.

At the close of the meeting ZoRO made a declaration urging the governments of the countries where the Zo live to accept the 2007 UN Declaration on the Rights of the Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) and to help the ethnic tribes to use the declaration for their benefit.

ZorO is based in Aizawal, Mizoram State, India and it has been trying to unite the Zo tribes that live in India, Burma and Bangladesh under a single administration.


Looks like UNDIRP is stirring trouble in the name of rights of indigenous peoples, but this calls for Myanmar-India-BD cooperation so it can be settled peacefully.

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Postby pankajs » 25 Aug 2017 21:16

Hoe this is the right thread ...

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 222710.cms
At least 71 killed in Myanmar as Rohingya insurgents stage major attack
YANGON: Muslim militants in Myanmar staged a coordinated attack on 30 police posts and an army base in Rakhine state on Friday, and at least 59 of the insurgents and 12 members of the security forces were killed, the army and government said.

The fighting - still going on in some areas - marked a major escalation in a simmering conflict in the northwestern state since last October, when similar attacks prompted a big military sweep beset by allegations of serious human rights abuses.
A news team affiliated with the office of national leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, said that one soldier, one immigration officer, 10 policemen and 59 insurgents had been killed in the fighting.

"In the early morning at 1 a.m., the extremist Bengali insurgents started their attack on the police post ... with the man-made bombs and small weapons," said the army in a separate statement, referring to the Rohingya by a derogatory term implying they are interlopers from Bangladesh.

The militants also used sticks and swords and destroyed bridges with explosives, the army said.

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Postby IndraD » 02 Sep 2017 03:48

lot happening in Myanamar ...intense fight seems to have broken out between army & Rohingya militants
http://www.clickittefaq.com/terrorists- ... -minister/ Terrorists want to create Islamic Republic in Northern Rakhine: Myanmar home minister

Nearly 40,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled to neighbouring Bangladesh since violence erupted in Myanmar's Rakhine state a week ago, the UN estimate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41120170

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Postby g.sarkar » 02 Sep 2017 04:12

IndraD wrote:Nearly 40,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled to neighbouring Bangladesh since violence erupted in Myanmar's Rakhine state a week ago, the UN estimate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41120170

Are they not coming to India and settling down in sensitive states like J&K? To maintain our sickular state we need to take them all, give them food shelter and work.
Gautam

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Postby IndraD » 02 Sep 2017 12:44

There are many articles available on BBC etc but no one clearly tells reason behind Buddhist-Rohingya animosity. As usual world media is slandering Buddhists like they do to Hindus.

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Postby sum » 02 Sep 2017 13:39

Not sure what Spore has in this deal but all the channels in Spore(caught a few on cable outside of Spore) seem to be bleeding for the Rohingyas with every news show having a prominent feature on the poor oppressed minorities. It seems to beat even Al Jazeera in this

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Postby Manish_P » 06 Sep 2017 17:17

Myanmar's 'Bengali problem' threatens to embroil the region

The Rohingya tried and failed at militancy before through the vehicle of the Rohingya Solidarity Organisation (RSO). But now the new Harakah al-Yaqin (Faith Movement), which has switched to the English name Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army , has seized the initiative.


yes, jihadi sounding names ain't so cool in the west now

Regional security sources told The Straits Times about 200 militants, including a smattering of foreigners, may have crossed over from Bangladesh for the attack. "There are several credible reports of Indonesian fighters especially from Aceh, and Filipinos, fighting with Arsa but the majority of the outsiders are Pakistanis - that is established beyond doubt," said a regional security source.


as expected

Arsa's chief on the ground is Ata Ullah or Hafiz Atharullah, Pakistan-born and raised in Saudi Arabia.

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Postby IndraD » 07 Sep 2017 23:26

India refuses to join declaration against Myanmar at international meet

NUSA DUA: In a show of solidarity with Myanmar, India today refused to be a part of a declaration adopted at an international conference here as it carried "inappropriate" reference to violence in Rakhine state from where 125,000 Rohingyas have fled to Bangladesh.
An Indian parliamentary delegation, led by Speaker Lok Sabha Sumitra Mahajan, dissociated itself from the 'Bali Declaration' adopted at the 'World Parliamentary Forum on Sustainable Development' held here in Indonesia.
"This was in view of the fact that the declaration, which was to be adopted at the conclusion of the Forum, was not in line with the agreed global principles of 'sustainable development'," said a press release issued by the Lok Sabha Secretariat.
India reiterated its stance that the purpose of convening the Parliamentary forum was to arrive at mutual consensus for implementation of SDGs (Sustainable Development Goals) which requires inclusive and broad-based development processes, it said.
"Therefore, the proposed reference to the violence in Rakhine state+ in the declaration was considered as not consensus-based and inappropriate," the release said.
The part of the declaration to which India objected spoke of the forum expressing "deep concern on ongoing violence in the Rakhine State of Myanmar, amongst others..."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 413675.cms

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Re: India-Myanmar news and discussion

Postby Karthik S » 07 Sep 2017 23:29

So nice to see, glad we didn't do what we did to Israel at the UN.

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Re: India-Myanmar news and discussion

Postby ramana » 08 Sep 2017 01:22

I heard a senior BBC correspondent who was taken on afield trip to Rakhine by Myanmar govt. on a media tour.
He said many Buddhists came and told that Rohinjaya jihadists were burning villages and attacking the pagodas and temples.
And some of the villages were burnt by jihadis themselves.

The guy as usual claimed he cant verify independently.

BCC of late is on a virulent anti-Myanmar drive and is out to portray Myanmar and India as the people behind the Rohinjaya problems.

BBC has Indian/Pakistani Muslim anchors and a left Liberal management out to pretend they are the new Christians out to undo the existing world order.
The key message is Jihadist ere the new oppressed and BBC is their voice.

Same with Democrats in US portraying Linda Sasour as a liberal face of Resistance to Trump while she is an out and out jihadi.

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Re: India-Myanmar news and discussion

Postby Shanmukh » 08 Sep 2017 01:40

Ramana-garu,
West sees its chance of breaking up our NE & N Burma into dozens of small states. Why wouldn't they support the JIhadis & EJs? BBC is just espousing western interest. If the region breaks up giving them a big handle in the area via the Jihadis & EJs, what is there for them to dislike?


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