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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/2 ... -over-coup
EU set to sanction Myanmar military officials for coup
At least 11 Myanmar officials face sanctions for coup as UN official proposes cut in military’s access to weapons and money.
20 Mar 2021

European Union foreign ministers are set to approve on Monday sanctions against 11 Myanmar officials for the military takeover, European diplomats said, as a UN official urged the international community on Saturday to cut the coup leaders’ access to money and weapons.
The move comes after the 27-nation bloc last month agreed to target Myanmar’s military and its economic interests in response to its seizure of power.
One diplomat said the 11 individuals to be placed on an EU assets freeze and visa ban blacklist by ministers meeting in Brussels are military and police officers.
The initial round of measures is not expected to target businesses tied to the army, but diplomats said some would likely be placed under sanction in the coming weeks. On Saturday, Tom Andrews, the United Nations special rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Myanmar, called on world leaders to immediately respond to the continuing violence committed by security forces “by cutting their access to money and weapons”.
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres also reiterated his condemnation of the situation in Myanmar, denouncing the military’s continuing brutal violence. A “firm, unified international response” was urgently needed, he said, quoted by his spokesman. The spokesman for the military government was not available for comment but has previously said security forces have used force only when necessary.
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The Mizos do not get to interfere with GoI policies -- myanmar troublemakers in Indian territory must be handed to Myanmar promptly. India depends on Myanmar helping India shutdown and eliminate NE terrorist groups, as they have in the past. If these myanmarese groups in refuge took funds from George Soros, as they seem to have, they all need to face the Myanmar government.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... p-7249597/
Mourners fled the shooting in Bago at a service for 20-year-old student Thae Maung Maung near the commercial capital Yangon and there were no immediate reports of casualties, three people in the town told Reuters.

“While we are singing the revolution song for him, security forces just arrived and shot at us,” a woman called Aye who was at the service said. “People, including us, run away as they opened fire.
The christian churches are running this so-called revolution in Myanmar, backed by George Soros and christian democracies, i.e, EU/US, and UK. It is time to refer to white countries as christian democracies, just to return the favor from India.

Look at the picture, the revolutioning protestor has a nice fancy skull mask (made in some phoren country) and a nice new orange and black backpack, just like the others in the pic. Exactly like how all the protestors in the "ukrainan revolution" were all color coordinated, purple was the colour of that revolution.

Countries including the United States, Britain, Germany and the European Union strongly condemned the violence. German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said on Twitter: “We will not tolerate the military’s brutal course of action against the people of Myanmar.”
This nazi german scumbag in the EU is now preaching to the darkies on how to behave, along with the rest of the colonial vermin. India is a 'totalitarian democracy' or some such garbage according to the racist EU folks, so there is no need to entertain their views in India on India's neighbourhood. These colonial jokers in the US/EU/UK can all shove it.
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The Mizos do not get to interfere with GoI policies -- myanmar troublemakers in Indian territory must be handed to Myanmar promptly. India depends on Myanmar helping India shutdown and eliminate NE terrorist groups, as they have in the past. If these myanmarese groups in refuge took funds from George Soros, as they seem to have, they all need to face the Myanmar government.
It’s not as simple as, “Soros is supporting the demonstrations in Myanmar, so Indians have to do the opposite & be against them, and by implication, for the military.” That, actually, would be the same as letting Soros dictate Indian policy.

New Delhi can’t just dismiss Mizoram and other border states’ views in this either, any more than it could dismiss Tamil Nadu in the Eelam war.

You also have to take into account that the Tatmadaw or whatever the Burmese military calls itself is in China’s pocket for all practical purposes, and this kind of Tien-an-Mien style mass shooting-down of Buddhist protesters is utterly against India’s human and civilizational values. And Daw Aung San for whom they are fighting, is one of the “good ones,” with deep ties to India (she was a good friend of the late George Fernandes IIRC).

Also, the fact that the Tatmadaw cooperated regarding Indian insurgents doesn’t mean that we are permanently beholden to them, and have to blindly take their side in everything they do. If they are cooperating, it means they understand that Modi sarkar can go into Burma in hot pursuit, and there is nothing they or their patron China can do about it. They are just making the sensible decision to avoid angering India.

It’s a very delicate and complex situation, and it’s quite possible that India may make the wrong call. But with Modi and Jaishankar running things, India has its best chance of not getting Burma wrong.
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KLNMurthy: It’s not as simple as, “Soros is supporting the demonstrations in Myanmar, so Indians have to do the opposite & be against them, and by implication, for the military.” That, actually, would be the same as letting Soros dictate Indian policy.
Did I say that? No, you did. Do not read things that I did not write. Soros and western governments perform "regime changes" to gain control of territory by proxy -- eastern europe is rife with such examples.

India's porous border has to be sealed to avoid problems of NCSN and other militant groups supported by the same people who are encouraging this "revolution in Myanmar today. This is not idle speculation.
New Delhi can’t just dismiss Mizoram and other border states’ views in this either, any more than it could dismiss Tamil Nadu in the Eelam war.
That is exactly what the GoI did when they let the Sri Lankan govt. finish the LTTE once and for all a decade ago, and it has certainly helped with India's long-term security.

As an armchair exercise, let us say the Indian govt. allows these revolutionary christians from Myanmar take root in 78% christian mizoram. Now we have a situation where there will be local unrest once these myanmar revolutionaries start influencing the state govt, over time. You think that is all okay? Perhaps you should think again.
Also, the fact that the Tatmadaw cooperated regarding Indian insurgents doesn’t mean that we are permanently beholden to them, and have to blindly take their side in everything they do.
That is a naive interpretation of realpolitik. Letting the border deteriorate has been done before, and it gets Indians killed, civilians and soldiers. Go look it up on http://www.satp.org. India has to take its own side all the time. Check out the number of miltant groups that were active around 2005 and compare it to the number today. That was achieved by the GoI by working with Myanmar to seal the border, and forcing the militia to surrender and join civilian life in those states.

So how will providing refuge to myanmar revolutionaries, and denying India the cooperation required across the border, help India? I missed that part.

Here is a mizoram news item from 2006 on that site:
According to a delayed report in Telegraph, the Bru Liberation Front of Mizoram (BLFM) served an extortion demand of Rupees 50,000 on Bungthuam High School headmaster Lalfelkima on January 17. Meanwhile, the Mizo Zirlai Pawl (Mizo Students Union) of Bungthuam village, reacting to the incident, has issued a statement threatening the Bru tribals in general and the militants in particular.
Where do you think these militants escaped to?
If they are cooperating, it means they understand that Modi sarkar can go into Burma in hot pursuit, and there is nothing they or their patron China can do about it.
India does hot pursuit with the cooperation of the Myanmar govt. so they do not vanish into the jungles like they used to do with ease -- do you know how dense those jungles are? If the myanmar militia does not cooperate, there is little to no chance of getting to these guerilla groups, as India found out the hard way, before it changed policy to work with the Junta.

Just regurgitating human right nonsense in security matters related to India's neighbourhood is not useful, and certainly not the current GoI's approach.

These color revolutions orchestrated by western govts. are purely done to create proxy regimes that push western interests. It is not to be confused with actual democratic aspirations of people in Myanmar.

The question to be asked is: if the Myanmar regime is replaced by a western-friendly proxy regime in Myanmar, what would its effect be on the states that were hosting dozens of christian insurgency groups for decades, before the GoI negotiated peace with them in the past decade?

India has finally gotten close to operationalizing the kaladan project to get goods via the sea and to the NE states via Myanmar. All that will be reversed by hosting guerrilla groups working to bring down the Myanmar Junta.
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To be fair , we need not poke our nose in their internal matter as long it serves our interest , mainly security and communication. These color revolutions bring more chaos than any real democracy.
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What is the end game of Tatmadaw ? Killing 100 civilians per day will only increase sanctions and make Burma an international political pariah . For all the wannabe military dictators, they should watch and learn from paki establishment post Musharraf. It is far better to stay behind the throne and control the puppet through firm strings and let the puppet take stones and brickbats than expose yourself. Bajwa, Kiyani and Raheel Sharrif played this game really well, after Mushy they realized the days of military rolling in tanks and taking over the PM's office are long gone so better put a puppet in the PM's chair and control him. Tatmadaw could have orchestrated a replacement for Aung San Suu Kyi (who is 76 yrs old already), kept up the pretenses of "democracy" while keeping all the control .
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I would suggest not believing everything you read in the news about Myanmar -- the sources of Myanmar news is usually Reuters or some other western sources which are provided bylines by the same people who have an agenda with Myanmar. The Myanmar regime is dealing with the Karen militia in south east Myammar, bordering Thailand. Unlike the GoI, the Thai govt. does not have a handle on dealing with western interference in the region.

Always map everything you read about such events and places on a map, and you will be surprised at the number of times it saves you from misunderstanding the situation. Colonialism isn't over just yet -- it has just changed form.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... i-7249771/

This is the compromised state of the Indian media -- these people in the Indian Express are being paid to push this point of view that is in direct conflict with India's interests, just like they take money from UK or the Chinese to print paid propaganda as news to the Indian public.

These so-called refugees have somehow miraculously managed to evade Myanmar authorities all the way from thailand''s border, and even after India has pushed back these refugees, we magically see photographs taken by elements in Mizoram to put pressure on India, and we have people here on BRF falling for it. If India cannot control its own neighbouring geography in the long term, it can control nothing of worth to the Indian polity.

The following quote is from the weepy hyooman rites article in the "Indian" Express.
Hlichie, 46, who came to Chapi on March 7 with her policeman husband Kote, 51, says they don’t want anything from India except that they be allowed to stay till the military is ruling there, and that their three children, between the ages of 15 and 21, and a daughter-in-law be also allowed to come. “We will be happy.”

Joseph wonders what happened to the protesters he encountered. He and his wife have not been able to get in touch with anyone back home.
Here is a question: Why is it that these alleged refugees from Myanmar (and I say alleged, because it is not a verifiable thing, the identity of such folks), are all christians? Why is it that it is only the christians in Myanmar rebelling against the buddhist junta (just like those who shut down Sterlite in Tamilnadu)? Because the buddhist monks of Myanmar are on the side of the Junta. Is it some sort of coincidence that western christian nations on the EU want to "save" all these people they have been funded via organizations like the Open Society Foundation?

If these people are allowed to stay in India, over time Myanmar's problem will become India's Mizoram problem.
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https://twitter.com/KanwalSibal/status/ ... 0509990914

Mr. Sibal is Ex-MEA
Art exaggerates. 3 of 4 NE states have little pop across border. No danger of large scale refugee flow. Delhi not sending back refugees from Mizoram. In any case, within 16 kms people from both sides of border can come & go. India’s stakes in Myanmar, unlike of West,very high.
This is in response to some australian "Ph.D." who is wondering in a very Ph.D kind of way, whether India will support freedom and democracy in Myanmar, like pious christians in Australia always have. Just ask any Native Australian, the guys who were there before Britain unloaded all its criminals over there. Australia is the weakest link in the Quad: they have 20k total personnel, and I suspect that includes administrators, and have a handful of ships, and they destroyed the Quad once before, when Mousemohan Singh was king.

Indian Express openly spreads enemy propaganda in India, for cash, and are able to get away with it. Any alleged refugees would have been openly sighted in the India-Myanmar border which is separated by thick jungles from wherever the "revolution" is happening in Myanmar. So then the question is who exactly are those refugees in Indian territory that the Indian Express has managed to photograph, and even interview.
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The following quote is from the weepy hyooman rites article in the "Indian" Express.
Hlichie, 46, who came to Chapi on March 7 with her policeman husband Kote, 51, says they don’t want anything from India except that they be allowed to stay till the military is ruling there, and that their three children, between the ages of 15 and 21, and a daughter-in-law be also allowed to come. “We will be happy.”

Joseph wonders what happened to the protesters he encountered. He and his wife have not been able to get in touch with anyone back home.

So they want us to let them stay here, also want to bring their 3 children and a daughter in law (So 6 people and probably more otw ) to stay here while proclaiming we want "nothing" from India
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Oh, great, now the Indian Express does not even bother to hide the fact that they are pimping american policies in India. They are now printing "syndicated" columns from NYT. Apparently, Indian journalism is all about "outsourcing" news about Myanmar from New York. Less money and effort than it is to go across the Indian border a few hours away and report from Myanmar. There are no restrictions on Indian citizens travelling to myanmar. Indian English media are the bottom feeders even among journalists, and that is pretty low.

https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... s-7249944/
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Some colonial coolie called Sudha Ramachandran does some anal-e-sis on massa will be angry if India sides with the bad man in myanmar who hurting good christian peoples.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/03/indias- ... ar-policy/
ent of the Tatmadaw could trigger angry protests, and perhaps inflame anti-India insurgencies in the northeast.
I would be surprrised if this myanmar eggspurt Sudha whatnot could tell her butt from her elbow apart w.r.t. Myanmar, but here she is playing "house nigga" to Indians to explain why massa should not be made angry. And to top it all, she lives and breathes in Bengaluru. Who exactly in the NE states is going to piss on India to assist a bunch of foreigners? What exactly is this bond tying these foreigners to these people in India who are willing to fight for their cause?

What is this need to explain to white racist scum as to why India has to do what it has to do? Extremely low self-image? I mean, these are the same people who denied voting rights to people based on skin color until a few decades ago, so why is their moral certification important when India has to defend itself?
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srikandan wrote:Some colonial coolie called Sudha Ramachandran does some anal-e-sis on massa will be angry if India sides with the bad man in myanmar who hurting good christian peoples.
Sudha Ramachandran
Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist based in Bengaluru, India.
Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist based in Bengaluru, India. She writes on South Asian political and security issues and has closely followed developments in the region’s conflict zones. She is an adjunct faculty at the Asian College of Journalism in Chennai. Sudha has a doctoral degree from the School of International Studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi.
The lady is a house negro. These people write what Whites want to hear and charge in dollars. These are coolies who help Whites collect atrocity literature against India / Hindus / RSS, while quietly padding up their bank balance. Lot of such traitors in India.
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Lets not confound what is happening in Myanmar with all sorts of other issues. Myanmar military is quite brutal and I have seen nothing from Indian sources either to debate that. What is happening in Myanmar is like emergency by Indira plus boots on the street shooting up protestors. We are caught in a rock and a hard place and we will have to balance our ethos with our strategic needs. However, that is mainly due to Chinese influence. Once again highlighting that Chinese influence is bad for world peace and democracy. We should not lose sight of that.

Democracy has a way to win in the end especially when the people in charge are keeping power by the barrel of the gun. Even if we lose some influence in the short term against China, people of Myanmar hate Chinese right now and will not forget.
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^^ I am sorry but there is no place for morality or ethos in pursing strategic interests. Nehru tried to be the nanny of the world, and look where it led India. Ever wondered why purveyors of democracy in the West don't want to push democracy in Saudi Arabia but only in Myanmar? Looks like you have not understood the game being played in Myanmar by Christian nations.
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sanjayc wrote:^^ I am sorry but there is no place for morality or ethos in pursing strategic interests. Nehru tried to be the nanny of the world, and look where it led India. Ever wondered why purveyors of democracy in the West don't want to push democracy in Saudi Arabia but only in Myanmar? Looks like you have not understood the game being played in Myanmar by Christian nations.
Moraltiy and ethos are an integral part of India's strategic narrative. Not understanding that is like playing chess thinking pawns are not important. In my opinion, it is in India's interest if Myanmar is democratic. I don't give a rat's ass about what West does in Saudi Arabia or Myanmar, unless it aligns with India's strategic interests. Read the news about protestors in Myanmar burning Chinese owned factories? Which government is going to be friendlier to China you think?
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Raja: don't give a rat's ass about what West does in Saudi Arabia or Myanmar, unless it aligns with India's strategic interests. Read the news about protestors in Myanmar burning Chinese owned factories? Which government is going to be friendlier to China you think?
Such awesome strategery, like play chess on a snake and ladders board. Just want to be sure we all understand this line of thinking: western media is reporting that rioters are rioting and burning chinese factories when the Junta is in power, so when the Junta is replaced with a democracy, these rioters will all magically help India's interests. Running policy based on Wild hunches that are not supported by reality is a sure recipe for success.

So to summarize:

1) strategize
2) remove Junta in Myanmar
3) strategize with some more strategy
4) install democracy in Myanmar
5) put some finishing touches on strategy
6) Profit!

Scintillating Rahul-gandhiesque logic on display -- he would be proud.
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No need to make personal attacks. We can agree to disagree.
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I have said nothing personal against you, so cut out playing the victim. If you are going to claim, "taking down the Junta and installing democracy in myanmar will help India", then if you cannot back that up with logic or facts, your claim is bogus.

As for running foreign policy based on morals, which India practised for decades under Nehru, with terrible results and outcomes for India, and India still has not recovered from those mistakes. So that is just an naive/silly thing to say, especially when reality is rife with many counterexamples to that claim.
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Raja wrote:
sanjayc wrote:^^ I am sorry but there is no place for morality or ethos in pursing strategic interests. Nehru tried to be the nanny of the world, and look where it led India. Ever wondered why purveyors of democracy in the West don't want to push democracy in Saudi Arabia but only in Myanmar? Looks like you have not understood the game being played in Myanmar by Christian nations.
Moraltiy and ethos are an integral part of India's strategic narrative. Not understanding that is like playing chess thinking pawns are not important. In my opinion, it is in India's interest if Myanmar is democratic. I don't give a rat's ass about what West does in Saudi Arabia or Myanmar, unless it aligns with India's strategic interests. Read the news about protestors in Myanmar burning Chinese owned factories? Which government is going to be friendlier to China you think?
You seem to be Nehru reborn. How friendly is Nepal to India now that it is a "democracy"? Missionaries funded by Western Christian States are running amok there converting villages after villages -- these missionaries were banned from Nepal when it was a monarchy. Same Christian States which appointed Nepal's first-ever Bishop after the king was shot are the same ones now asking Burma to be turned into a democracy. How will that help India, I am a bit unclear, maybe because I am not suffused with sublime Nehruvian morality. This democracy business by Western Christian states is just a tactic to open closed Eastern states for Western interventions for regime change and conversions. It is the modern version of bringing civilization to heathens.
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KLNMurthy: It’s not as simple as, “Soros is supporting the demonstrations in Myanmar, so Indians have to do the opposite & be against them, and by implication, for the military.” That, actually, would be the same as letting Soros dictate Indian policy.
Did I say that? No, you did. Do not read things that I did not write. Soros and western governments perform "regime changes" to gain control of territory by proxy -- eastern europe is rife with such examples.

India's porous border has to be sealed to avoid problems of NCSN and other militant groups supported by the same people who are encouraging this "revolution in Myanmar today. This is not idle speculation.
New Delhi can’t just dismiss Mizoram and other border states’ views in this either, any more than it could dismiss Tamil Nadu in the Eelam war.
That is exactly what the GoI did when they let the Sri Lankan govt. finish the LTTE once and for all a decade ago, and it has certainly helped with India's long-term security.

As an armchair exercise, let us say the Indian govt. allows these revolutionary christians from Myanmar take root in 78% christian mizoram. Now we have a situation where there will be local unrest once these myanmar revolutionaries start influencing the state govt, over time. You think that is all okay? Perhaps you should think again.
Also, the fact that the Tatmadaw cooperated regarding Indian insurgents doesn’t mean that we are permanently beholden to them, and have to blindly take their side in everything they do.
That is a naive interpretation of realpolitik. Letting the border deteriorate has been done before, and it gets Indians killed, civilians and soldiers. Go look it up on http://www.satp.org. India has to take its own side all the time. Check out the number of miltant groups that were active around 2005 and compare it to the number today. That was achieved by the GoI by working with Myanmar to seal the border, and forcing the militia to surrender and join civilian life in those states.

So how will providing refuge to myanmar revolutionaries, and denying India the cooperation required across the border, help India? I missed that part.

Here is a mizoram news item from 2006 on that site:
According to a delayed report in Telegraph, the Bru Liberation Front of Mizoram (BLFM) served an extortion demand of Rupees 50,000 on Bungthuam High School headmaster Lalfelkima on January 17. Meanwhile, the Mizo Zirlai Pawl (Mizo Students Union) of Bungthuam village, reacting to the incident, has issued a statement threatening the Bru tribals in general and the militants in particular.
Where do you think these militants escaped to?
If they are cooperating, it means they understand that Modi sarkar can go into Burma in hot pursuit, and there is nothing they or their patron China can do about it.
India does hot pursuit with the cooperation of the Myanmar govt. so they do not vanish into the jungles like they used to do with ease -- do you know how dense those jungles are? If the myanmar militia does not cooperate, there is little to no chance of getting to these guerilla groups, as India found out the hard way, before it changed policy to work with the Junta.

Just regurgitating human right nonsense in security matters related to India's neighbourhood is not useful, and certainly not the current GoI's approach.

These color revolutions orchestrated by western govts. are purely done to create proxy regimes that push western interests. It is not to be confused with actual democratic aspirations of people in Myanmar.

The question to be asked is: if the Myanmar regime is replaced by a western-friendly proxy regime in Myanmar, what would its effect be on the states that were hosting dozens of christian insurgency groups for decades, before the GoI negotiated peace with them in the past decade?

India has finally gotten close to operationalizing the kaladan project to get goods via the sea and to the NE states via Myanmar. All that will be reversed by hosting guerrilla groups working to bring down the Myanmar Junta.

There is a difference between GoI “taking stakeholders like Mizoram / TN” on board, and GoI just letting the border states drive the centre’s policy agenda. The LTTE tangle ended with TN tacitly agreeing to GoI agreeing to let SL finish the LTTE. Before that, there was a years-long, very very costly period of decisions that struggled to balance GoI, SL, and TN interests.

So in such things, it’s not as though for GoI there is a binary choice between just giving up & letting Mizoram run the whole show vs just running roughshod over Mizoram, ranting about Soros while slavishly coddling Tatmadaw because we are afraid that the mighty Tatmadaw and their Chinese big brother will beat our national interests to a pulp otherwise.

Everyone (except maybe those who want to uncritically swallow the “Soros propaganda” that India under Modi despises human rights and is a dedicated violator of human rights) can see that human rights are actually integral to Modi sarkar’s domestic and global vision. Like any independent, sensible government in real life, they have to balance that factor against many other complicating factors.

Let me reiterate, it’s a very delicate and complex situation, and thank God there are intelligent and experienced grownups running the show in New Delhi.

India has seen almost this exact movie before and has lots of experience and insight. If the past is any indication, India & border states (back in the previous iteration of this, it was Hillary Clinton stupidly & crudely trying to influence Mamata & Jayalalitha (regarding LTTE) to zero effect) will come under lots of pressure to support the toppling of Tatmadaw; India will listen politely and do whatever is in India’s interest. Maybe just tell them, “ok sure, we will join you, just let it under UN,” at which point the whole high-pressure sales pitch will die a quick & quiet death.

There have been zero instances, since 1947, of GoI getting involved in a neighbor’s affairs, just on the say-so of some gora supa-pawa, let alone some kaun-kiska like Soros. The policy has been always, “we don’t interfere with other countries; if you want that, come through UN.”

So all the jumping up and down about India being “taken in by human rights talk” (as if India either a foolish country or is just cynical and considers human rights to be just talk and not the very reason for India to exist!) is completely unnecessary, and naive.

And yeah, I (and probably no one actually in a responsible position in GoI) don’t think it’s wonderful that Tatmadaw is trying to stay in power by shooting 100 people per day. It doesn’t matter if they are Buddhists or Christians; it’s wrong, and it’s not the way for a good resolution.
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^^^
Who exactly are you arguing with? I see that you have quoted my post, fabricated random nonsense and attributed them to me. Carry on arguing with your hallucinations and see if I care.

I have just stated the realist policies of the GoI that pulled the NE from total deterioration starting around 2003, and this hard-headed policy has snuffed all the militia and unrest on the borders, problems that festered for decades due to "moral and ethical" sidelining of the people who ran Myanmar. So any misinterpretation that claims I have criticized the GoI is not on me. Everything I have stated is pretty much the GoI's official stance, and if that gets your undies in a knot, that's just too bad. You are muted.

As Mr. Kanwal Sibal's tweet point out, this yammering about Myanmar is done with devious intentions because the same standard is ignored in other places, which brings us to ask why is myanmar a prize that requires a regime change.
https://twitter.com/KanwalSibal/status/ ... 5789177858
Less than Chinese exactions in Xinjiang. Glaring contrast btween sanctions against Mynmr after 1988 & beyond & against China after Tiananmen massacre(1989). US/others have steadily built latter into authoritarian global threat. Army actn in Mynmr inexcsble.Double standards too.
Army’s action in Myanmar condemnable but imputing genocide & invoking ICC is hyperbole. UNHRC head shouldn’t make unilateral judgments, restraint needed & cost free posturing avoided. Has Bachelet said this against Taliban & its backers or China on Uighurs? Geopolitics rules?!
EU’s condemnation of Army’s excesses in Myanmar understandable.Taliban killing far more totally innocent people not even demonstrating but they are worthy interlocutors & eligible for power sharing. Or Pak army’s brutalities against Balochs. No sanctions. Why be selective?
All this selective yammering about Myanmar by western govts. is done to destabilize the region so smaller splinter nations can provide land and ports for western militaries. Taliban is held to a lesser standard than the myanmar junta by these neo-colonial scumbags the EU and US, in fact pakis and taliban are preferred over democratic states like India, and we are supposed to believe that their heart bleeds for human rights violations of the junta in myanmar.
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Russia, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Laos and Thailand also sent representatives to Myanmar to be part of the parade to mark Tatmadaw Day on Saturday, media reports said.

A senior official in South Block told The Indian Express that “since diplomatic relations between both the countries continue, diplomatic commitments are also continuing”.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... r-7250754/
The annual parade took place a day after the military chiefs of nearly a dozen <EU and US military heads> condemned the excessive use of force by the Myanmarese military against the protesters.
Good to see that there is a solidarity among the Asian states in keeping the colonial EU/US jerks out of the region.
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If and when Myanmar does a full 71 on its western flank, the tribes will have no choice but to flee into mizoram, Manipur and Nagaland. Many of these tribes are considered wild/adivasi types by the burmese castes. They're either tribal tree worshipping communities or Christians who have converted to escape the stereotype adivasi stigma.

Myanmar has longterm plans and has PLA approval. It is just a matter of time before Myanmar evicts the "foreign" tribes off its property. Border fencing should be a priority.
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https://www.defencenews.in/article/Mani ... ar-1044242
Manipur issues order to 'politely turn away' refugees from Myanmar
HT, March 30, 2021

Amid an ongoing security crackdown in Myanmar, the government in Manipur, which flanks the neighbouring country, has reportedly instructed its border districts to neither open any relief camps nor provide food and shelter to potential refugees.
Local media reports said that the Manipur home department, in a 'confidential' letter, has ordered the deputy commissioners of the Chandel, Tengnoupal, Kamjong, Ukhrul and Churachandpur districts to take appropriate actions regarding the "illegal entry of Myanmarese nationals". Hindustan Times has not independently verified the aforementioned letter.
The letter, reviewed by northeastern media outlets, reportedly contains distinct instructions for the border district administrations, asking them to ensure that none of the camps is opened by the district administration or civil society organisations to provide food and shelter to the refugees. "People trying to enter/seek refuge should be politely turned away," the letter reportedly reads. The 'confidential' letter provides that only in the case of grievous injuries may an exception be made on 'humanitarian considerations', according to media outlets reporting on it. India shares a 1,643-kilometre border with Myanmar and is home to thousands of refugees from Myanmar in different states. The security crackdown in Myanmar following its February 1 military coup has sent people fleeing across the border into India. On Friday, three Myanmar nationals with serious bullet wounds were admitted to a hospital in northeast India after they crossed the border, news agency PTI reported citing police sources.
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nvishal: Myanmar has longterm plans and has PLA approval. It is just a matter of time before Myanmar evicts the "foreign" tribes off its property. Border fencing should be a priority.
Things are not all that peachy between the two, and the relationship is not the same as China-NoKo relations, where NoKo economy is completely dependent on China. China's BRI project is stuck in Myanmar as are other projects -- if India does not support the Myanmar economy and bind with it, chinese and others will fill the vacuum to India's detriment.


https://chinadialogue.net/en/business/1 ... myanmar-2/
China’s state-owned enterprises (SOEs) have already encountered strong resistance to their resource extraction and energy infrastructure projects.
A long history of engagement between Chinese financing and ethnic armed groups on the border has fuelled the unregulated extraction of natural resources – in logging, mining and plantations. Many of these armed groups fund themselves through economic relations with their Chinese networks in Yunnan. Up until recently, such relations were handled by Yunnan provincial authorities that benefited economically from loosely regulated trade.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/north ... m-7251128/
“District administration should not open any camps to provide food and shelter. The civil society organisations should also not be allowed to open any camps to provide shelter/food,” the circular, which came into public domain on Monday, said. The DCs were also ordered to stop Aadhaar enrolment exercise.
Glad that stopping aadhar enrollment is done when alleged refugees show up -- lessons learnt from the UPA/Rohingya mess it looks like.
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I am not going to link to the sh*tty article by the academic reject Pratap Bhanu Mehta in the Indian Express, mostly because it regurgitates the same western propaganda in the EU/US rags. I will just quote a couple of lines from this colonial coolie to highlight his reasoning for why India should pay heed to the hypocritical taunting on Myanmar by US/EU/UK. This genius was part of India's NSAB during UPA2 and even wrote a paper on "Non alignment Ver 2.0" as a guide to India's foreign policy (just like non-alignment V1.0, but with younger people repeating Banditji's failed ideas).
Pratap Bhanu Mehta: But it is also important that your own positions are not seen just as a product of strategic cynicism, willing to trade any larger consideration for small short-term gains. For both of these contexts, the exemplariness of India’s conduct matters.
In dealing with Myanmar, India's credentials should be exemplary to get a "good boy" certificate from the empire-building, genocidal, neo-colonial countries in UK/EU/USAEurope and elsewhere, that have exhibited and continue to exhibit exemplary behavior by bombing Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Vietnam, etc.

How sweet and thoughtful of him.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... h-7252013/
Officials in the security establishment deployed in Mizoram emphasise that almost all the refugees from Myanmar are restricted to the Free Movement Regime region of 16 km on either side, where unrestricted access is allowed as per a pact between the two countries. However, two of the safehouses with at least 38 Myanmar nationals, which The Indian Express visited, are located in Aizawl itself, not far from the Secretariat.

Meanwhile, officials in the state and district administration say that since that March 10 letter by the Centre on not allowing Myanmar nationals, no new instruction has come from either the Mizoram government or Union Home Minister Amit Shah.
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Karen rebels raided a Myanmar army base in the western region, executed a few and took some hostages. Army retaliated with night time air strikes on the Karen held areas. Eye witnesses claim to have heard jets and helos before strikes. Many karens have fled and crossed into Thailand for refuge.

Expect the myanmar army to acquire armed drones from china in the coming months.
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Countries sharing borders with Myanmar have to prioritize the stability of Myanmar and its territorial integrity over the self-serving caterwauling about human rights concerns, esp. when it is common knowledge that "human rights" and "religious freedom" are code words for allowing western powers to create trouble to their benefit. So China handing drones to Myanmar would not be such a bad thing, but I won't bet on it. The presence of military chiefs *all* neighbouring countries on tatmadaw day seems like a signal to western countries, who had signaled coercion by having the military heads of US/EU "condom all violence" in between their daily bombings of various countries around the globe.
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Western sanctions on myanmar have started taking effect. The national army has announced a unilateral ceasefire with rebel groups.

Meanwhile, the army has levied charges against 75 yr old ASSK in the court and there is talk of fresh elections.
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How do we know it is western sanctions that caused this change of behavior? The sanctions froze assets of the tatmadaw, and they will not get their assets unless they completely bend over to the whims of the western powers. The west normalized relations with Myanmar just as a means to this end -- that normalization won't happen again and that is a good thing for India and Myanmar's neighbours.

Tatmadaw are just going to make sure that the people who stood in the previous elections won't stand again -- this is a good chance for Myanmar's neighbours to fill in the vacuum left by the western powers sanctioning themselves out of Myanmar.

MEA statement on Myanmar
“Let me be very clear. We condemn any use of violence. We believe that the rule of law should prevail. We stand for the restoration of democracy in Myanmar,” he said.
“We have urged the release of political prisoners and supported any attempts at resolving the current situation, including through the efforts of ASEAN,” Bagchi said. “We remain engaged on this issue with our international interlocutors and at the UN Security Council in an effort to play a balanced and constructive role,” he said.
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Unkil just wants another Sugar bordering country under its thumb so that it can of course bring democracy and Xtian values while keeping an eye on Sugar and it thinks QUAD India like good ol Napak can be used as staging area... we better make it a UN issue and get out... we have 1.3B mouths to feed no one will ever help us so we should take care of ourselves...
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There are many Burmese so called asylum seekers in London that are essentially economic migrants... typical modus operandi is to get photographed in a demonstration and then claim junta will find out and harass their relatives at home hence please let me stay, protest and pay me ££ benefits to help mom and pop back home...
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Myanmar people are no different from economic migrants from other countries, and they have as much right as anyone to look out for their own.

It is important to be able to differentiate the dominant power in a country from the people in that country -- removing the dominant power by a regime change just causes turmoil and conflict, and that serves these far away powers well. Imagine a sri lanka divided in two, with at least one of those two parts permanently under the influence of EU or US. Who needs diego garcia, when the navy has access to hambantota. --- all that is required for India to be in trouble is a change of intentions at some future time when the two countries do not see eye to eye. Same can apply to Myanmar.
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As always, the IE helpfully presenting the propaganda from the Nazis in Deutche Welle to the Indian public.

https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... t-7257552/

The question is who are these nazis addressing when they say stuff like this -- surely, not the people in Myanmar who do not get to read this, but look at this goading to push a long term conflict in the region.
Even the silent diplomacy of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) will have little impact as the grouping is not united on the Myanmar issue. Bloc members Thailand, Laos and Vietnam even participated in the Armed Forces Day celebrations in Myanmar’s capital over the weekend, which coincided with security forces killing more than 100 protesters.
Tikait and co creating a ruckus during Republic Day and these "revolutionaries" creating a racket during the Myanmar equivalent of the same -- almost as if these "revolutionaries" are reading from the same playbook.
Even if all rebel armies work together with an inexperienced protest movement, they cannot compete with the battle-tested and well-equipped “Tatmadaw” (the Myanmar army).

The protesters cannot win through a direct confrontation with the military. There is a lack of international support, money, experience and unity between ethnic groups and the protest movement.

Instead of risking lives in hopeless street battles, pro-democracy supporters need to debate what small steps they can take in the long run. Instead of hoping for a quick victory, they need to work on a long-term strategy.
Stirring the pot of violence and revolution using their religion of love and peace, an old colonial play to conquer the unchristian, dark-skinned subhumans infesting the planet, and apparently still in use in a different form.
China and Russia will block every move in the UN Security Council that could allow the West to increase its clout in Myanmar.
So all of this is to "increase western clout in Myanmar", the real motivator for such support.
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And here we go, China and India must now act against the Myanmar regime.
It's a moral imperitive, unlike the wests interventions in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya.

Myanmar: its neighbours can no longer stand silently by

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the- ... -kh5p72hzm
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https://indianexpress.com/article/world ... e-7258593/


So here we have the "revolutionary" myanmar protestors use christian symbolism (easter egg) and hollywood movie symbolism (like the "revolutionizing" in the hollywood flick "hunger games" with the 3-finger salute) and we are all supposed to believe that western christian countries have nothing to do with these alleged "revolutionaries" in Myanmar. Syndicated propaganda columns from western propaganda arms like DW, AP, Reuters, etc., reinforce the view that taking down the Myanmar Junta to be replaced by a pliant "democracy" that dances to the tunes of the west is not in India's interest.

Clearly, this is all about peace and love and harvesting souls.
Pope Francis, in his Easter Sunday address at St Peter’s Basilica, prayed for the “young people of Myanmar committed to supporting democracy and making their voices heard peacefully, in the knowledge that hatred can be dispelled only by love”.
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