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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby kish » 08 Oct 2013 22:32

Islamic e-commerce in Bangladesh. Sigh

Where are those animal rights activists??

Sacrificial cattle now a click away

A local e-commerce company is once again selling sacrificial animals for the upcoming Eid-ul-Azha through its website, targeting the busy city dwellers and non-resident Bangladeshis.
Amardesheshop.com, a component of the Amar Desh Amar Gram e-commerce initiative of Future Solution for Business (FSB), has so far posted details — such as height, weight, picture and prices — of around 52 cows. It will post details on another 76 cows soon.
The prices, which are inclusive of service and bank charges, range from Tk 35,000-Tk 150,000 each, and can be remunerated by bank card, direct bank transfer or bank draft.
“We are planning big for this year as online shopping is getting popular in the country,” Sadequa Hassan Sejuti, managing director of FSB, told The Daily Star.
The e-commerce site plans to sell around 300 cows this Eid in contrast to 25 it sold last year.
The company will also take care of the entire process, starting from purchase to the distribution of meat on the buyers’ behalf.
“We are currently taking bookings. We will deliver the cows at the given address two days ahead of the Eid-ul-Azha,” Sejuti said, adding that around 500 cows are scheduled to be put up soon.
Farmers who are interested in selling cattle can upload pictures, along with prices and transport costs, of their cows and goats on the company’s website.
The e-commerce site has targeted those who want to distribute the meat of their sacrificial animals among the poor of their villages but live abroad or in the cities.
“It will save people from having to physically go to the cattle markets and transport the animals back to their homes,” Sejuti added.
The e-portal site will take photos and videos of the entire process (the Qurbani) :x and forward them to the buyers, especially those living abroad.
The company, which is currently serving its customers through its seven e-centres in Mongla, Narsingdi, Tangail, Sirajganj, Jamalpur, Rangpur and Sylhet, has so far received five orders, with many in the negotiation stages.
FSB, a youth group that introduced e-commerce in the country in October 2009, has already clinched United Nations World Summit Youth Award 2011 for creating outstanding digital content for rural people.

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby Agnimitra » 29 Oct 2013 02:01

Recently there have been a spate of videos on social media showing Bangladeshi workers in Arab countries getting slapped around like animals. Has there been a popular reaction to these incidents among the converted faithfool Mawaliyoon in Bangladesh?

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Postby Rahul M » 29 Oct 2013 04:06

it says Indian labourer.

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Postby member_19686 » 29 Oct 2013 04:41

Not Bengalis, Hindus were Pakistani targets in 1971 Bangladesh War, claims new book
PTI | Washington | Updated: Oct 16 2013, 15:28 IST

Ahead of Bangladesh's liberation in 1971, the Pakistani Army systematically committed genocide" of the Hindu community in the then East Pakistan and the Nixon Administration kept a blind eye to it, a new book says.
While the Indian Government was aware of it, it tried to play it down and instead referred to it as genocide against the Bengali community in Bangladesh so as to avoid an outcry from the leaders of the then Jan Sangh, the predecessor of the today's main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party, says Gary J Bass, author of the book 'The Blood Telegram: Nixon, Kissinger and a Forgotten Genocide', which recently hit the book stores.
"Rather than basing this accusation primarily on the victimisation of Hindus, India tended to focus on the decimation of the Bengalis as a group," Bass, who is professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton University, says.
"The Indian foreign ministry argued that Pakistan's generals, having lost an election because their country had too many Bengalis, were now slaughtering their way to 'a wholesale reduction in the population of East Bengal' so that it would no longer comprise a majority in Pakistan," said Bass.
As the Pakistan Army continued with the systematic targeting of the Hindu community, the book says, Indian officials did not want to provide further ammunition to the irate Hindu nationalists in the Jana Sangh party.
"From Moscow, D P Dhar, India's ambassador there, decried the Pakistan army's preplanned policy of selecting Hindus for butchery, but, fearing inflammatory politicking from rightist reactionary Hindu chauvinist parties like Jana Sangh, he wrote, 'We were doing our best not to allow this aspect of the matter to be publicised in India'," Bass writes in his book.

The then US Consul General in Dhaka, Archer Blood, according to the book, thought, no logic to this campaign of killings and expulsions of the Hindus, who numbered about ten million - about 13 per cent of East Pakistan's population.
"They were unarmed and dispersed around East Pakistan. But the Hindus were tainted by purported association with India, and were outliers in a Pakistani nation defined in Muslim terms," he wrote.
"Lieutenant General Tikka Khan, the military governor leading the repression, argued that East Pakistan faced enslavement by India. He said that the outlawed Awami League would have brought the destruction of our country which had been carved out of the subcontinent as a homeland for Muslims after great sacrifices," the book said.
It noted that "senior officers like the COAS [chief of army staff] and CGS [chief of general staff] were often noticed jokingly asking as to how many Hindus have been killed."
"One lieutenant colonel testified that Lieutenant General A K Niazi, who became the chief martial law administrator in East Pakistan and head of the army's Eastern Command, asked as to how many Hindus we had killed. In May, there was an order in writing to kill Hindus from a brigadier."

Another lieutenant colonel said, "There was a general feeling of hatred against Bengalis amongst the soldiers and the officers including generals. There were verbal instructions to eliminate Hindus", the book says.
The then US diplomats based in Dhaka wrote to both the State Department and the White House that this was nothing less than genocide against the Hindus.
"But for all the effort that Blood put into defining and documenting genocide, the terrible term had no impact at the White House," Bass writes.
According to Bass, Blood thought that "genocide" was the right description for what was happening to the Hindus.
"He explained that the Pakistani military evidently did not make distinctions between Indians and Pakistan Hindus, treating both as enemies."
Such anti-Hindu sentiments were lingering and widespread, Blood wrote.
According to the book, the Indian government privately believed, as this aide noted, that Pakistan, by "driving out Hindus in their millions," hoped to reduce the number of Bengalis so they were no longer the majority in Pakistan, and to destroy the Awami League as a political force by getting rid of the wily Hindu who was supposed to have misled simple Bengali Muslims into demanding autonomy."
"In India we have tried to cover that up," Swaran Singh (the then External Affairs Minister) candidly told a meeting of Indian diplomats in London, "but we have no hesitation in stating the figure to foreigners."
"Singh instructed his staff to distort for their country: We should avoid making this into an Indo-Pakistan or Hindu-Muslim conflict. We should point out that there are Buddhists and Christians besides the Muslims among the refugees, who had felt the brunt of repression."
The Indian government feared that the plain truth would splinter its own country between Hindus and Muslims, Bass writes.
Bass says the Nixon administration had ample evidence not just of the scale of the massacres, but also of their ethnic targeting of the Hindu minority, what Blood had condemned as genocide.
The then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger once told the president himself, "Another stupid mistake he [Yahya] made was to expel so many Hindus from East Pakistan. In fact, the then US Ambassador to India told Richard Nixon in a meeting at the Oval office that their ally 'Pakistan' was committing genocide.
"In the Oval Office, the ambassador directly told the president of the United States and his national security advisor that their ally was committing genocide. The reason that the refugees kept coming, at a rate of 150,000 a day, was because they're killing the Hindus. Neither Nixon nor Kissinger said anything," the book says.

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby paramu » 29 Oct 2013 05:18

What is the psy-ops here? The whole Bengali genocide started after Mujib-ur-Rehman got elected as the Pakistani PM. He was not a Hindu.

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Postby member_19686 » 29 Oct 2013 05:37

paramu wrote:What is the psy-ops here? The whole Bengali genocide started after Mujib-ur-Rehman got elected as the Pakistani PM. He was not a Hindu.

psy-ops?

Read the reports of 1971, even though Hindus were a minority they were the special targets and a majority of the victims.

Of course to protect our secularism, this was hidden & is still hidden by the Indian gov't. Just as they peddle lies in textbooks about medieval and ancient India, they lie about who were the main targets of the Pakistani Muslim genocide in 1971.
It is well known that the 1971 army repression in Bangla Desh (former East Pakistan) resulted in an influx of 10 million refugees into India. Most world renowned relief and news agencies put the number of dead at 3 million. However the fact that is glossed over in these statistics is that THE ENTIRE HINDU POPULATION OF EAST PAKISTAN WAS THE PRIMARY TARGET OF PAKISTANI ARMY DURING THE 9 MONTHS OF REPRESSION IN 1971. Using the population statistics from Bangla Desh Government and US Government publications this article PROVES that 80 percent of the refugees from Bangla Desh were Hindus and that 80 percent of the 3 million killed were Hindus. THUS IT WAS A HINDU REFUGEE PROBLEM and IT WAS A HINDU GENOCIDE THAT TOOK PLACE IN EAST PAKISTAN IN 1971.

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It is well known that the 1971 army repression in Bangla Desh (former East Pakistan) resulted in an influx of 10 million refugees into India. Most world renowned relief and news agencies put the number of dead at 3 million. However the fact that is glossed over in these statistics is that THE ENTIRE HINDU POPULATION OF EAST PAKISTAN WAS THE PRIMARY TARGET OF PAKISTANI ARMY DURING THE 9 MONTHS OF REPRESSION IN 1971. Using the population statistics from Bangla Desh Government and US Government publications this article PROVES that 80 percent of the refugees from Bangla Desh were Hindus and that 80 percent of the 3 million killed were Hindus. THUS IT WAS A HINDU REFUGEE PROBLEM and IT WAS A HINDU GENOCIDE THAT TOOK PLACE IN EAST PAKISTAN IN 1971.

10 References - Encyclopedia Britannica, Bangla Desh Government - Ministry of Planning (for statistics), Newsweek, New York Times, Senator Edward Kennedy's report to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.

In the summary of his report dated November 1, 1971 Senator Edward Kennedy writes (6): 'Field reports to the U.S. Government, countless eye-witness journalistic accounts, reports of International agencies such as World Bank and additional information available to the subcommittee document the reign of terror which grips East Bengal (East Pakistan). HARDEST HIT HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF THE HINDU COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN ROBBED OF THEIR LANDS AND SHOPS, SYSTEMATICALLY SLAUGHTERED, AND IN SOME PLACES, PAINTED WITH YELLOW PATCHES MARKED "H". All of this has been officially sanctioned, ordered and implemented under martial law from Islamabad. ..' (emphasis added by author of this article). Sydney Schanberg, pulitzer prize winning journalist (of 'Killing Fields') was New York Times correspondent in Dhaka in 1971 at the time of army repression and during the 1971 Bangla Desh war. In his syndicated column 'The Pakistani Slaughter That Nixon Ignored' Mr.Schanberg writes:

"I covered the war and witnessed first the population's joyous welcome of the Indian soldiers as liberators .. Later I toured the country by road to see the Pakistani legacy firsthand. In town after town there was an execution area where people had been killed by bayonet, bullet and bludgeon. In some towns, executions were held on a daily basis."
This was a month after the war's end (i.e. January 1972), ... human bones were still scattered along many roadsides. Blood stained clothing and tufts of human hair clung to the brush at these killing grounds. Children too young to understand were playing grotesque games with skulls. OTHER REMINDERS WERE THE YELLOW "H"s THE PAKISTANIS HAD PAINTED ON THE HOMES OF HINDUS, PARTICULAR TARGETS OF THE MUSLIM ARMY." (7) (emphasis added by the author of this article).

Thus two independent observations one dated prior to November 1, 1971 and other in January 1972 confirm that Hindu houses in East Pakistan were marked with yellow "H"s and that Hindus were particular targets of the Pakistani army. The situation thus bears an uncanny resemblance to the predicament of Jews targeted by Nazis from 1939 to 1944, with similar out come...

http://www.oocities.org/hindoo_humanist/1971.html

The statistics are also given at the above website created long ago, just the plain truth.

I am sure bji knows quiet a bit more about the events then and what lies beneath the face of "rabindra sangeet" today.

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby brihaspati » 29 Oct 2013 08:58

paramu wrote:What is the psy-ops here? The whole Bengali genocide started after Mujib-ur-Rehman got elected as the Pakistani PM. He was not a Hindu.

paramu wrote:What is the psy-ops here? The whole Bengali genocide started after Mujib-ur-Rehman got elected as the Pakistani PM. He was not a Hindu.


Can you please look up pre-independence-from-Pakiland East-Pakistan record on genocide on Hindus? Well-hidden, but definitely searchable. Look for 48,51,53,54,56, 58,61,62,64,65(especially), 66,67,68,69,70,and 71 cases of riots/pogroms/ and sundry other incidents of kindnesses from the Islamists.

The Paki genocide of 71 - was obviously on a much larger and wider scale, because of the extraordinary war-situation which could be used for the purpose. Youc an try to get some estimates of the proportions of the Hindus targeted from even the highly filtered and selective accusation list of the current Jamaat leaderships trials. The suppression na dtwisting of the representation from Indian side, especially Congress policy from Noakhali riots times - was especially about suppressing info on genocide-of-Hindus, especially apparently of Bengali Hindus.

This had nothing to do with so-called secularism and protecting Muslims in India. It was always about the Brit-raj inherited fear and perception of the possibility of a political growth of majority value/faith/identity based power that would be independent of the UP based dynastic coterie control.

I think others and I have written many times on the forum pointing out similar attitudes of the Congress leadership from the time of pre-Partition violence with actual discriminatory and distortion/suppressive attitudes towards revelations of actual track record of Islamism if directed against Hindus as identity and against Bengalis and Sikhs as regions.

Surasena ji - why needle moi poor soul! :( Someone once said that I will have to go through the experience of foreseeing and not being believed to realize why innocents suffer so horribly. I had therefore long ago suggested that people withdraw from the current "frontiers" and consolidate in the interior - as otherwise they will be deliberately traded off with sadistic glee by their fellow bootlickers of foreign imperialist ideologies. Most of WB, Bihar and parts of Assam gone anyway - not because the military or the BSF is weak or unwilling - but because of the deep perversions and sadism in the dominant political leadership and therefore connected portions of the state machinery.

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby paramu » 29 Oct 2013 23:35

I am not denying these facts. Look at the timing of the book release. Bangladesh government is punishing Islamists for their crimes in 1971. Now this book tells them that these Islamists were attacking only Hindus, and why do Bangladeshi Muslims support their government's action to punish them, in a subtle way.

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Postby brihaspati » 30 Oct 2013 03:19

The BD gov is doing a Nuremberg. It is trying to make signal and exemplary penalizing of a few spectacular "heads". In that sense just as the winning allies simply decapitated the chief/more visible Nazis as a signal gesture to do a moralizing justification of their war and suppress or deflect attention from potential exploration of virtual connivance with Nazi era brutalities - the AL is doing the same to deflect attention from its own role - especially the lower rungs - in violence and atrocities against non-muslims.

The western Allies at Nuremberg were keen to use the lower rungs of Nazis/gestapo/SS as bulwark or future counter-communist counter soviet setups, or use the scientists/innovators in spite of them possibly consciously having used slave labour and overseen murderous techniques of extracting labour or innovation from captive brains and brawns.

The AL is the covert islamist part of BD, and the BNP is the overt one.

The limited number of accused setup for trial points to both a political agenda to use against islamists in the opposition, as well as gloss over its own islamists activities. The more the cases are brought up - more are the case diaries/witnesses showing an overwhelming proportion of atrocities against the Hindus. This is a fact and the book is not departing from reality of records.

There will be limitations to how far the war-crimes trials will go and can go - because just like the western Allies at Nuremberg, there are a host of forces that would want to preserve and keep the BD islamist infrastructure at the lower levels as a tactical reserve to prevent potential expansion of Indian influence, and a base for foreign sourced operations against India.

Pointing out the fact that the Pakis and BD islamists who supported/collaborated and who were sufficiently strong to remove Mujibur and retake the armed forces, were essentially looking at the 71 war as an Islamist jihad - is important to blow up the cozy myth making and obfuscation jointly propagated by the Congress-aligned portions of the Indian state machinery and the associated portions of the BD machinery aligned to AL.

It is also crucial therefore and a timely reminder that the foundations of BD are based on an opportunist splitting of Islamists in then East Pak over control and power and in which one part decided to tactically coopt Hindu majority India and its resoureces in their intra-islamic fight. Once the purpose was achieved, the covert islamist faction showed its actual agenda of anti-Hindu longer term islamist agenda.

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India, US at odds over Bangladesh policy

NEW DELHI: Publicly, India and the US may appear to be on the same page regarding the situation in Bangladesh. But in reality, India is increasingly uncomfortable with the US' positions, and believes it can have negative implications for Bangladesh and the region.

Last week, US ambassador to Dhaka, Dan Mozena, visited South Block and spent long hours meeting foreign secretary Sujatha Singh and other senior officials. As picketing, shut-downs and street violence take over domestic politics in Bangladesh, India and the US have shared concerns regarding its stability.

Sources said Sheikh Hasina had invited her rival Begum Khaleda Zia for a meeting and dinner to end the impasse over the caretaker government. But main opposition, Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), is unwilling to end the violence and insisting on a neutral dispensation.

But India remains more concerned about the colour of politics being pursued by BNP. This is where Indian and the US positions diverge.

The US appears much more comfortable with the BNP-Jamaat combine, who have made no secret of their radicalized politics. India believes if this succeeds, Bangladesh would be very different as a nation. The politics of BNP and Jamaat have become more radicalized in the past couple of years.

Indian intelligence has detected influences of both Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and al-Qaida. There is a lot of funding available to these groups from West Asian countries, and some from Pakistan.

The US is less comfortable with Sheikh Hasina's government, especially after the PM's confrontation with Mohammed Yunus of Grameen Bank — the fracas over funding for the Padma bridge project — and also the war crimes tribunal. There appears to be a part of official thinking in the US that believes, according to sources here, BNP-Jamaat have better free market credentials, and that they would move away from radical Islam once they are in power. "They are too far away to have a realistic view of the street," they said.

India is haunted by the 2001 Pyrdiwah massacre, when 15 BSF personnel were massacred by BDR troops in an ugly confrontation. BNP had explained Jamaat's place in government thus: it would be better to have them in than out. But once in government, Jamaat occupied the ministries crucial to furthering their radical agenda. Those years saw the flowering of Jama'atul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB) and other terror groups like HuJI. India is opposed to a return to those days.

An added regional vulnerability is the Rohingya problem in Myanmar. With heightened communal tensions in Myanmar along with considerable Rohingya population in Bangladesh, New Delhi believes that the situation is ripe for disaster. The implications of increased radicalized politics in Bangladesh would have terrible implications for Myanmar's stability.

Again, reports of LeT and al-Qaida infiltration among Rohingyas are popping up frequently. The instability as a result of radical politics could spread to India's north-east and even China's Yunnan province.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... atha-singh



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Bangladesh is in a violent phase and India must do all it can to see a friendly regime return to power
Subir Bhaumik | Nov 1, 2013, 12.08 AM IST

DHAKA: Bangladesh is headed for a political crisis that might impact Asia's regional balance. When Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was in China signing the border defence agreement and addressing future ideologues at the Chinese Communist Party school, Indian diplomats in Dhaka were desperately trying to get the two leading ladies — Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Wajed and opposition leader Khaleda Zia — to speak to each other and start a dialogue to ensure peaceful and inclusive elections to ensure a democratic transition in Bangladesh.

Hasina finally broke the ice and offered an all-party interim cabinet comprising ruling and opposition coalitions to conduct the upcoming parliament polls. She quickly followed it up by speaking to Khaleda over telephone and extending her a dinner invite. Khaleda refused the invitation and instead decided to go ahead with a 60-hour nationwide strike that turned very violent. The 37-minute conversation was reduced to a squabble involving past actions and Khaleda's out-of-order special telephone and did little to inspire the nation's confidence.

The BNP chief stuck to her demand for restoration of a neutral non-party caretaker Hasina insisted that was not possible after the 15th constitution amendment had scrapped it and kept offering the all-party interim cabinet instead. But the BNP chief stuck to her guns, dashing the hopes of a political reconciliation. As the conversation went viral on internet and was broadcast over Dhaka-based TV stations, Bangladesh wondered what lay in store in the days ahead.

The main show had a sideshow to it — one involving the US and Indian ambassadors. Local media reports have been agog with rumours of a no-holds barred spat between the two diplomats during a breakfast meeting, following which the US envoy Dan Mozena, flew to Delhi for consultations with Indian officials. On his return to Dhaka, media reports quoting US embassy sources suggested, "India and the US were on the same page in Bangladesh." Upset with these reports, the Indian high commission and the ministry of external affairs reacted furiously. Quoting unnamed Indian diplomats, the local media reported that India and the US were "not on the same page".

Privately, Indian diplomats told journalists that Mozena was "behaving like a standing committee member of the BNP". They say he is "doing everything to bring back the BNP to power" and Khaleda is ever so determined to bring down the Hasina government through violent street protests increasingly orchestrated by the radical Jamaat-e-Islami with US encouragement.

And when media reports surfaced over India and the US being on the same page, Indian diplomats saw it as an American move to drive a wedge between India and its best friend in Dhaka, the Awami League, whose government has delivered on India's security and connectivity concerns like no government in Dhaka has ever done. India has good reasons to feel beholden to the Hasina government, though the diplomats are not oblivious to the anti-incumbency she faces. But if Washington has a choice in Dhaka, how can it deny India having a right to its own choice of a friend?

The US feels a BNP-led government will serve its strategic interests and may help it stop Chinese inroads into the country. India has reservations about the BNP after trying to unsuccessfully court it during Khaleda's 2001-06 tenure. For Delhi, the real worry is Jamaat-e-Islami and Hefazat-e-Islam.

Delhi has good reasons to fear such a dispensation as likely to be inimical to its security. India feels the US is overlooking the spectre of a revival of Islamic radicalism Bangladesh experienced when Khaleda was last in power and thus weakening the focus of the war against terror.

But the most important element in the US-India spat in Dhaka was an unnamed Indian diplomat describing the Chinese stand on the emerging political crisis in Bangladesh as "constructive". Chinese ambassador Li Jun has been more vocal than any of his predecessors. In recent weeks, he has thrice issued statements on Bangladesh's political crisis, asking "wisdom to prevail over violence" and even suggesting China was trying to mediate in the crisis through "our friends in both the parties".

China is keen to go ahead with its plans to build a deep sea port in Sonadia off the Chittagong coast. For the first time, Indian diplomats are not worried about another 'pearl in the string'. They believe Sonadia can help India access its northeast better and the whole project can fit into the Bangladesh-China-India-Myanmar plan to develop connectivity for increased trade, investment and commerce.

As Bangladesh slides into a violent imbroglio, India appears nervous over the future of its east and northeast which are afflicted by violent statehood movements and insurgencies. It cannot afford a hostile government in Dhaka. This, in a way, revives the pre-1971 scenario where a similar situation forced India to back the Bengali insurrection and militarily intervene in East Pakistan, braving threats of a US naval intervention.

The only difference now is that befriending China to balance off the US and vice versa is a realistic option for India. Delhi appears keen to demonstrate it is nobody's surrogate and retains the option to balance off the US with China by what it does in Bangladesh in the days ahead.

The writer is senior editor of the Dhaka-based bdnews24.com

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 009551.cms

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby Pranav » 02 Nov 2013 07:08

@taslimanasreen
Farhad Mazhar, the leftist writer of Bangladesh became pro-Islamist & anti-India.He has the ISI connection.See proof

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby Pranav » 02 Nov 2013 07:39

Have to be wary of what's happening in BD ... US seems to want an Islamist govt there again. What is up?

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby Rony » 04 Nov 2013 08:43

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Rich Hindu? So extort.His refusal led to attack on Hindus by Jamaat-BNP men in Pabna

Extortionists, mostly belonging to the BNP and Jamaat, had planned to frame Hindu schoolboy Rajib Saha in Pabna for maligning Islam after his businessman father refused to pay them

Eighty-year-old Bishnu Priya Saha said she was born at Sahapara and lived all her life there but never imagined she would see this day. “Here we, the Hindus and Muslims, are living like brothers and sisters for generations.”

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby vishvak » 04 Nov 2013 17:16

The 'international' opinion seems to be silent on prosecution of Hindus in Bangladesh while U.S. seem to actively ignore this and is more comfortable with radical elements. International opinion is silent on how USA is comfortable wiith radical elements.

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 05 Nov 2013 14:19

Breaking News:Bangladesh Mutiny Death Sentences.

It's deja vu. Was stuck in Dhaka during those fateful days. Seems crazy.

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby nawabs » 29 Nov 2013 17:35

Key Bangladesh garments factory destroyed in blaze

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/11/2 ... me=topNews
A devastating fire ripped through a Bangladesh garment factory supplying major Western retailers, police and industry officials said on Friday, in a blaze set by workers angered over rumours of a colleague's death in police firing.

Garments are a vital sector for the South Asian nation, whose low wages and duty-free access to Western markets have helped make it the world's largest apparel exporter after China. But a series of deadly incidents, including a building collapse that killed more than 1,100 people in April, has sparked global concern over weak safety standards in the country's $22-billion garment industry.

There were no reports of casualties in Friday's fire, which gutted a ten-storey building at Gazipur, 40 km (25 miles) north of the capital, Dhaka. But fire fighters were still battling to douse the fire in four nearby buildings, more than 15 hours after it had begun around midnight on Thursday, after workers finished for the day.

"We are still struggling to control the flames," said fire official Mahbubur Rahman, adding that 22 fire service and civil defence units been thrown into the fire-fighting operation.

At the scene, a Reuters photographer said burnt garments strewn on the floors bore brand names from U.S. retailers such as American Eagle Outfitters Inc (AEO.N), Gap Inc (GPS.N) and Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N). Nur-e-Alam, a senior manager of Standard Group, said the factory had stored the next six months of its supplies for top global retailers, including Gap and Wal-Mart.

"We were the biggest supplier of Gap in Bangladesh," he said, adding "Our cargoes were ready for shipment and all that was burnt up."

The loss to the firm could run into more than $100 million, estimated another group official, who asked not to be identified, saying the final tally could exceed his figure. The factory was among the ten biggest in the country, said Mohammad Atiqul Islam, president of industry body the Bangladesh Garment Manufacturers and Exporters Association, adding that the destruction could cost workers their jobs.

"Now all the workers are at risk of becoming jobless," he said. As many as 18,000 people worked at the factory, its owner, Mosharraf Hossain, told Reuters.

A local police official dismissed as baseless the claim that a worker had died in the firing, adding that a group of workers assisted by nearby residents had set the fire. "We are investigating to find out the reason for this heinous act," said Mohammad Kamruzzaman, the officer in charge of the Joydevpur police station that guards the area.Police and witnesses said tempers flared following a mosque loudspeaker announcement of a worker's death after police fired in the air to break up a road blockade by workers who had earlier vandalized the factory and set two buildings on fire.Police had to fire shots in the air to scatter the workers and let in fire fighters, Mushfiqur Rahman, another manager at Standard Group, told reporters.

The recent string of accidents in Bangladesh has put the government, industrialists and the global brands that use the factories under pressure to reform an industry that employs four million people and generates 80 percent of export earnings.

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Postby Supratik » 01 Dec 2013 22:14

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/det ... g2913/at05

First unofficial but credible source suggesting that the Hindu population has declined from 9.2% to 8.5% with about a million Hindus migrating from Bd to India between 2001 to 2011. Seems like we need to start thinking of alternatives to the current status quo.

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Postby brihaspati » 01 Dec 2013 23:42

There is nothing to do at this stage given the international backhand support that has gone into the islamists - who now span both sides. Ershad took the blessings of the Hifazat [Sunni-Saudi connection] before his usual shenanigans. The AL gov did not pursue the Hifazat much - its the old anti-war-criminal minute intellectual minority who took up cudgels of exposing the Hifazats money-supply and transnational terror connections. BNP is of course using the jamaat - Hifazat foot soldiers.

The BD state is well and long penetrated by Islamists at functionary and security level. India is firmly under internal Islamophile pressures in lead up to general elections, and in any case the dominant state ideology and viewpoint is more scared of independent "Hindu" political consolidation beyond their personal dynastic control than any jihad.

They would frantically oppose adding more of "Hindus" - even from BD, especially them being "Bengalis". At this stage it is an unequal struggle. BD and WB Hindus would be facing teh combined might of jihadis, islamists, Muslim community consolidation irrespective of formal political affiliation on both sides of the border, combined armed and intel might of the two states - all working against them and actively or passively - in favour of the BD islamists.

Alternatives are not possible at this stage.

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Postby Supratik » 02 Dec 2013 10:18

B, I think you are being over pessimistic. Some thing needs to be done as what Bd is doing is silent ethnic cleansing of 10-20 million people. Any other place there would be civil war. I agree with you that the Congress is not going to do it as it has very close relationship with the Bd establishment beginning 1960-70s. However, an NDA Govt. under someone like NM may give a window of opportunity. We should seriously look at a homeland comprising of south-west Bd and CHT areas. My estimate is that you need an army of 50-70000 in the south-west and 20-30000 in the south east to neutralize the Bd army. I think this would be a good solution and India under a non-Congress/third front Govt. should look into it. The Bangasena and Shanti Bahini needs to be revived.

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Postby Anindya » 02 Dec 2013 11:03

Much of the the following is what we already know, but still yet another public domain pointer to what has been going on in Bangladesh...

Bangladesh: Genocide Now, Taliban Soon

According to Dr. Sachi Dastidar, professor of politics at the State University of New York at Old Westbury, Long Island, forty-nine million Hindus are missing from the Bangladesh census over the period of 1947 to 2001. At the time of the partition of India in 1947, Hindus comprised thirty-one percent of the population of Bangladesh. The population of Hindus in Bangladesh is now down to a mere nine percent. The numbers are shrinking very fast due to coerced conversions; the kidnapping of girls and women, as well as rapes followed by murder; forced flight -- and genocidal massacres.

In the near future, all the non-Muslims may be "ethnically cleansed" from Bangladesh.

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Postby Supratik » 02 Dec 2013 20:31

Countries which have undergone civil war between Christians and Muslims in recent times and undergone partition leading to new states

eritrea 5-6 million, ethiopia 91 million
south sudan 8 million, sudan 30 million
east timor 1 million, indonesia 240 million

Bangladesh Hindu 12 million Muslim 136 million

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Postby member_22872 » 02 Dec 2013 21:19

In the near future, all the non-Muslims may be "ethnically cleansed" from Bangladesh.


So another refugee problem awaiting India. This time around there is no IG.

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Postby Supratik » 02 Dec 2013 21:59

venug wrote:So another refugee problem awaiting India. This time around there is no IG.


There are already 10-20 million refugees in India.

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Postby member_22872 » 02 Dec 2013 22:05

Supratik ji, yes, I meant the new ones who would flood India even more...the blog post might also belong in Islam thread...will post it there.

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Postby Supratik » 02 Dec 2013 22:38

venug wrote:Supratik ji, yes, I meant the new ones who would flood India even more...the blog post might also belong in Islam thread...will post it there.


The Bdeshis are masters in ethnic cleansing. No sudden machismo of expelling 10 million suddenly. It is very localized, a few families at a time. Some murders, a few rapes, breaking places of worship, taking over land, taking over property, etc. This goes on continuously. You will find it out from the human rights groups monitoring Bdesh. At some point people just give up and say "lets just migrate to India". I got the same story by talking to actual migrants. The leftist proposition that it is "economic migration" is not what you get from talking to such people. We need to block this tactic soon or the population is going to hit Pakistani levels.

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Postby brihaspati » 03 Dec 2013 05:17

Supratik wrote:B, I think you are being over pessimistic. Some thing needs to be done as what Bd is doing is silent ethnic cleansing of 10-20 million people. Any other place there would be civil war. I agree with you that the Congress is not going to do it as it has very close relationship with the Bd establishment beginning 1960-70s. However, an NDA Govt. under someone like NM may give a window of opportunity. We should seriously look at a homeland comprising of south-west Bd and CHT areas. My estimate is that you need an army of 50-70000 in the south-west and 20-30000 in the south east to neutralize the Bd army. I think this would be a good solution and India under a non-Congress/third front Govt. should look into it. The Bangasena and Shanti Bahini needs to be revived.


I am not being over pessimistic. NDA gov will not do it either. Whoever goes to Delhi, will behave and act as the sultanate. Its not just the Congress links to AL - but it is also about the long seated hatred of the Bengali, and the distrust of the Ahomyia, coupled with the Uttar-Pradesh dominant and long time alliance of hindu pseudo-elite and mullahs. NDA will have to be in power for at least 2 terms before it can even think of stabilizing the "front" in the "west".

They will decide, or be told by our eminent "strategists" at state functionary and institutional level - that the priority is neutralizing Pakistan and stabilize the Chinese "front". The oily smooth talking will try to buy out time for BD islamists by selling the stuff that we need to do more to placate the BD islamists while we are dealing with Pak and China. But BD and Nepal are the eyes and ears for both China and Pak. Further it was okay to arm BD - predominantly Muslim youth for "liberation war" - but it will never be okay for the same forces to even consider arming a "Hindu" force. The onlee experiment in this regard that has possibly already taken place is the arming of Maoists - but that is consistent with the fact that the Maoist leadership is largely are anti-Hindu, with a possible interface to both jihadi as well as Christian evangelist aggression.

Where will this BD "Hindu" force get its arms? Typically, no such movement has succeeded without transnational investment from orgs possibly in turn backed up by intel and political authorities of foreign nations at the highest levels. No such force will support a BD "hindu" movement. It goes against Christian and Islamist interests, as well as dual economic and imperialist programmes.

So where will they get the necessary hardware? The Indian state will be the first and foremost active enemy of any such movement - not out of so-called ethical considerations - but simply because these will be primarily Bengali Hindu forces. The Honbl President is not a counter example, but in fact a supporting evidence of the model as to what is the role expected and ensured from the Bengali "hindu".

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Postby Supratik » 03 Dec 2013 20:01

I agree with your argument. But there is a faint possibility that there may be a totally new force at the center post-2014. I would characterize the ABV regime as Nehruvian in outlook. Maybe we will see a change in policy. While such a movement would need transnational support I would like the Bdeshi Hindus to not take it lying down anymore as they have been for the last 60 yrs.

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Postby vishvak » 03 Dec 2013 20:07

Not to go OT here but radio silence for decades of pseudo seculars is beyond civil. To have selective fairness just for few religion is hallmark of post independence times, where nonbelievers are assumed as uncivilized so as to ignore outright ethnic cleansing of nonbelievers. This is outright mischief at cost of Hindus in Bengal and need to be treated as barbaric.

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Postby brihaspati » 04 Dec 2013 03:16

Supratik wrote:I agree with your argument. But there is a faint possibility that there may be a totally new force at the center post-2014. I would characterize the ABV regime as Nehruvian in outlook. Maybe we will see a change in policy. While such a movement would need transnational support I would like the Bdeshi Hindus to not take it lying down anymore as they have been for the last 60 yrs.


I think there are practical constraints on any "new" post-2014 regime at the centre. It needs a quantum ideological leap to take the steps needed to systematically and coldly dismantle the Brit installed structures of Paki's and BD islamists. This in turn is related to dealing with the related co-problems of China+Tibet+Nepal and SL.

In my estimate even if a radically aggressive regime from NDA side wins power, its primary business will be survival - with a whole range of forces, both inside the country as well as outside trying to topple it. Such a regime will heavily represent or be affiliated to the factional struggles of north and western India, and cases like Bengal, TN, and Kerala will be treated as peripheral.

I think you do understand my estimate that the overwhelming numbers of those that make up the regime will really have no deep affiliation to the east or the south, and even if they have trained themselves to look a little beyond the long Brit-era pampering of the north-central-west sector - the south and the east are not for them that high-stake as it is the Punjab-Paki borders and the China-Tibet borders.

Hence there will be trade-offs of interest. In that trade, what you are proposing will take a back seat.

I can see no movement in the modern period that operated in territories well penetrated by air cover and full state supported military and an almost completely and selectively disarmed population [the criminal networks or maoist and jihadis have no problem in getting their arms and more importantly ammunition - and the state knows exactly what has flowed into those hands but is seemingly unable to do anything while just let any ordinary vigilante or "Hindu"-dubbable group will get immediately caught with much less] - and without some form of external input - to have succeeded.

The separatist movement has to have Christian or Islamist undertones/affiliations/representation in leadership. [Communists are not exceptions]. It needs a base beyond the reach of the state it is fighting against. It cannot have "pagan" undertones. It must uphold western or satellite [from Saudis to the conservative portion of the Chinese communist party] interests in geo-strategic domain.

For BD, what you say has just one slim chance of going anywhere for it might be able to use just one state - which is not India. But the equations are not straightforward. I guess the people on ground are aware of the options, so we have no need to discuss them.

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Postby Rudradev » 04 Dec 2013 04:14

The USA's fervent backing of Khaleda Zia's BNP (and its Islamist allies) should come as no surprise. Khaleda's late husband Zia-ur-Rehman was himself the CIA plant of a vengeful Washington, seeking revenge on Mujib for his role in partitioning America's eternally beloved ally, Pakistan. Zia was appointed chief of the BD army by Khondaker Mustaq Ahmed, who assassinated Mujib and staged a coup at the CIA's behest in 1975. This set the course for Zia's own eventual elevation to President of Bangladesh, following a sequence of counter-coups and counter-counter-coups, in 1977.

Meanwhile the USA (rightly or not) continues to see AL/Sheikh Hasina as an extension of Mujib's legacy, one that affords India too much influence in Bangladesh for Washington's comfort. It is a core principle of US foreign policy that India must be contained and thwarted from exercising influence over her neighbours. It should be no wonder at all that the US is backing the BNP/Jamaat as a mechanism to reduce Indian influence in BD... after all they're backing the TSPA/ISI/Talbian on our Western border in service of exactly the same strategy.

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Postby Rudradev » 04 Dec 2013 04:20

By the way, you know the old fabrication by US apologists that America only tilted towards Pakistan during the 1971 war because Yahya Khan was offering Nixon and Kissinger an opening to China?

It's complete rubbish. Winston Lord, Kissinger's deupty at the time, testifies to this unequivocally in Gary Bass' book "The Blood Telegram". He mentions that the US had an equally promising avenue to Beijing via Ceaucescu in Romania, among several other options for a conduit that would have totally bypassed Pakistan. If befriending PRC was the only motive, Washington could very well have chosen some other conduit than Islamabad.

American support for Pakistan in 1971 was not at all necessitated by the China gambit, as MUTU apologists would have you believe... it was Washington's own independently considered policy to aid Pakistan against India under any and all circumstances, and this would have obtained regardless of any initiative to make contact with Beijing.

If you have not read "The Blood Telegram", please do so. I am learning something new, fascinating, and usually highly significant with each new page if not each new paragraph.

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Postby brihaspati » 04 Dec 2013 07:45

Rudradev wrote:The USA's fervent backing of Khaleda Zia's BNP (and its Islamist allies) should come as no surprise. Khaleda's late husband Zia-ur-Rehman was himself the CIA plant of a vengeful Washington, seeking revenge on Mujib for his role in partitioning America's eternally beloved ally, Pakistan. Zia was appointed chief of the BD army by Khondaker Mustaq Ahmed, who assassinated Mujib and staged a coup at the CIA's behest in 1975. This set the course for Zia's own eventual elevation to President of Bangladesh, following a sequence of counter-coups and counter-counter-coups, in 1977.

Meanwhile the USA (rightly or not) continues to see AL/Sheikh Hasina as an extension of Mujib's legacy, one that affords India too much influence in Bangladesh for Washington's comfort. It is a core principle of US foreign policy that India must be contained and thwarted from exercising influence over her neighbours. It should be no wonder at all that the US is backing the BNP/Jamaat as a mechanism to reduce Indian influence in BD... after all they're backing the TSPA/ISI/Talbian on our Western border in service of exactly the same strategy.


Rudradev ji,
Khondokar Mushtaq was an inner circle member of the coterie around Mujib, and very much part of the personality cult based leadership that developed within the then then Awami League. Mujib himself tried to play safe when he was still free, and the "Indian" alliance developed primarily under the group around Tajuddin - part of the "four" eliminated by Dalim and co. in jail. Note that during this phase when Mujib was in jail in Pakiland, it was these "four" which had been instrumental in declaring the gov in exile, and were involved in the key negotiations for shelter and base in Kolkata.

When Mujib was released, he made it a point to visit UK ASAP - where a certain well-noted British lord openly congratulated him for having successfully "prevented" "continued Indian occupation".

Awami Leagues' connections to the UK were stronger than with the USA - and the different factions of british politics and state power played different roles with respect to the "liberation" movement. It would be easier for the British intel to manipulate those around Mujib, and get things moving.

US politics on the subcontinent has been more or less based on the arrogant assumption that they know best, while being forced to rely on continued British networks developed originally from the Raj times. Do note that the political interface is stronger with both BD and Paki's in UK establishment compared to that with USA. The Americans are probably trying to have a greater direct finger in the pie now after their Paki canine has shown its fangs - and likely using Haseena's son as a bet. UK on the other hand is likely to play their pawn through the elder Zia scion. Between the two - they can therefore control both sides, while there is no denying that UK has its own imperial agenda for IOR, and there is likely to be a contest of influence grabbing all the while UK has used the US resources to maintain its shadow on IOR - probably secretly waiting for the time when USA weakens through this attrition and it can fill up the blanks again.

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Postby brihaspati » 04 Dec 2013 08:06

What BD appeasers fail to understand or maybe understand too well : the very act of helping the "mukti vahini" would have triggered the Muslim mindset of using non-Muslims all the while planning to betray or destroy when it is opportune that is built into the theology from its many early battle/raid precedences -

http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2010/11/08/what-really-happened-in-1975/
I interviewed a gentleman who was near the top of the Rakkhi Bahini leadership in 1975 and was once posted abroad after the coup mess was over. I asked him, why he didn’t intervene from Savar when Sheikh Mujib was killed. He said, “We could have attacked and held off the army for two days and that would have been enough for the Indians to intervene. But I had been to India as a freedom fighter and didn’t think well of them. If they came, they would never leave I thought. So I didn’t order the troops to move.” - See more at: http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2010/11/08/ ... SNaei.dpuf


The fact that Islamics have had to depend on or needed the help of a non-Muslim group, makes them inordinately hateful and resentful about that group. Its a persistent psychology notable from the founders days, and has never been an exception.

Had Indian strategists considered this, they might have saved themselves from a lot of future trouble.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 04 Dec 2013 08:34

"It is a core principle of US foreign policy that India must be contained and thwarted from exercising influence over her neighbours"

How would the US itself rationalise this policy, given that India is not a communist dictatorship, a fascist state, a theocracy, a monarchy, a military oligarchy or a colonial power? Perhaps simple, tribal, mercantalist dislike of a possible competitor, democracy, freedom and pluralism be damned? The question should be put very strongly to the US, by Indians or persons of Indian origin. Because there is no moral, ethical or ideological reason for this containment.

Though their mouthpieces will make silly noises about Indian hegemonistic policies, the US and UK know deep down( and they probably don't even have to go that far) , that India is not an imperial power that seeks control and subjugation. So it must be dislike/distrust of a country that will undermine the whole concept of empire and domination. India does really wish to see other countries acting intelligently, self respectfully and independently. That way, India facilitates interdependence and multi-polarity, qualities traditionally opposed by the rich and powerful in the US.

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Postby svenkat » 04 Dec 2013 09:19

Bji,
Are you suggesting that India should have followed a hands-off policy towards East Bengal in 1969?

Also I didnt get the point about a future BJP govt keeping its hands off TN and KL ? I am not very interested in KL.You could call me the 'parochial' hindu.But what do you have 'in mind for TN' in case NDA comes to power.The BJP is non-existent in TN(and in KL).I am sure that you know of the formidable ideologcal obstacle that both Cong and BJP face in TN? Cong today is living on past glory.

These obstacles both in TN(and in KL) have to do with internal faultlines exarcebated by British but the 'faultline(tamizh-sanskrit) existed before.Also what about telengana-andhra differences.I find it strange you have 'not taken sides' on Andhra-Telengana divide.It is all very easy criticise and be right with 20-20 hindsight but what is the hindu rights view on the burning issues of the day-when passions are running high-whether it is SL,Cauvery,tamizh-sub nationalism,andhra-telengana divide.

You can reply in appropriate thread except perhaps the question on East Bengal problem in 1970.

The question though strongly worded is in a friendly spirit-that of a co-travellerr who looks at the diversities and unifying factors of Hindu polity.

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Postby brihaspati » 04 Dec 2013 19:45

svenkat ji,
you flatter me if you think I am a voice of the "Hindu right"! :D

Strictly w.r.t this thread, it has been a consistent position of mine from a long time ago that I consider the Indian help to BD liberationists in 1971 a short term brilliant tactical move that was a long term strategic disaster. I will try to summarize my points and if possible elaborate later:

I feel the best way forward would have been to use the military defeat of Pakis to extract NA, and reabsorb the remainder of occupied Kashmir, and extract a corridor and Chittagong in the east for land access to the sea from Indian territory. Negotiate for autonomy for East Pakistan, but leave it as Pakistan.

Allow the more "secular" among them to become emigres and do all the cultural enrichment stuff in India, keep the issue burning, but allow the full and overt Islamization as part of Pakiland that would then prevent it from obtaining long term strength and acceptance and eventually when it collapses by active or passive help from India, absorb the whole.

As it stands, any shrewd and unemotional assessement of Islam should have told the then Indian strategists that by helping BD isalmists, theyw ere creating an independent enclave for Islamists to survive in - even after Pak collapses. That this BD, will use overt Hindu-derived cultural memes to pretend secularism and therefore curry favour or put up the deceptive face that anti-India forces in ME, China and the west will be able to continuously support even under cover of humanism ["oh BD i snot so bad - not fundamentalists - they hold Rabindrasangeet festivals - and they have fought against Pak!"].

But within the cover of the sari - this is one lady [as a society] who will continue to sharpen the blade for the eventual and opportunistic kill typical of the jihadi. That all the Islamist institutional frameworks will survive and flourish and be protected under state patronage and international anti-India and anti-Hindu forces will have full freedom to do their bit.

Instead of one single jihadi force - we now have two bases for them.

There is a reason I have not taken sides on Andhra. If you look up - I have a different long term take on the entire east coast, and I do try to project long into the future, and not base entirely on hindsight.

The entrance to the Valley in teh north form the plains - the thin neck of the Pindi corridor rght upto Swat hills, should have been taken first and held on, and Chittagong extracted. That would have in itself reversed all the careful planning of the Brits and the jihadis, and checkmated China. Instead.....

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Postby Supratik » 04 Dec 2013 21:14

IG and IA had plans for west Pak in 1971. However, it was not put into action as the threat of US intervention, Chinese aggression and Soviet refusal to help any further meant India didn't take the risk. I will not be surprised if IG's assassination had the blessings of bigger powers under cover of Khalistanis. The other reasons were Siachin and nuke test. She and the GOI didn't exactly go hysterical about "CIA hand" just out of paranoia. Although she made a lot of mistakes one cannot fault her for the Bdesh war. However, I agree that not holding onto CHT was a bad mistake and should have been negotiated early on in lieu of support for independence. Separating Bd helped free the eastern sector from a pincer nuclear threat. But all this is history. We should now focus on what to do with the situation in existing Bd and how best to tackle it.

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Postby svenkat » 04 Dec 2013 22:50

Bji,
Thanks for the reply.Supratik has given valid arguents why IG could have done very little in West Punjab given US support for Pakhanasthan.Regarding cHT,I have no clue whether India could have/should have prevailed over Bengali mohammedans.

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Postby brihaspati » 04 Dec 2013 23:05

The US had always threatened with elimination any leader outside the Soviet and China axis - for dire consequences personally if they went nuclear. So IG's assassination had almost sure linkages to the western agencies. However, khalistanis had the greatest visible presence, and freedom of action, and "peaceful" money collection onlee - and therefore not illegal - and therefore not subject to the -within-strict-confines-of-British-law provisions employed against fund-raisers for IRA - in two domains directly associated with the UK: Canada and UK proper.

Harming Paki interests and going nuclear would be seen as grave offences by both the key drivers of global Anglo-Saxon entente.

But this also has a curious angle that is specific to the Islamist mindset - the islamist always thinks in terms of dynastic succession, and tries to eliminate all future generations in the enemy. The hallmark of Islamist assassinations is the systematic attempt to get rid of the bloodline. The Christian version is individual specific, and they try to use as played out in history - the assassination of an ancestor to keep the descendant coy and submissive and toe the line.

The combined influence is seen perhaps in the early warning removal of Sanjay, then IG, and then RG senior. The fact that from that point on, things have warmed up much more from the family to the west, combined with the fortunate interlude [for them] of a temporary decline of Soviet/Russian power which made the shift look natural - shows the other assassination mindset as a combined one with the islamist front.

That Khalistanis could temporarily hijack the "Sikh" panthis to make the Islamists bedfellows, over and above the possible atrocities perpetrated by both Sikh as well as non-Sikh uniformed forces in the 80's compared to the much larger and more horrid atrocities perpetrated by the Islamists on Sikhs in 47 - shows a weakness of the panth ideologically that perhaps could be and was used by Pakis. But behind it all was a combined US+UK+ME interest.

Having said that, the war of 71 could have been used - even at the enforced halting stage - to extract the pindi sector and CHT. The clause of nukes could have been taken care of by making the autonomy of East Pak subject to demilitarization as overseen by India and kept so in perpetuity as a formal protection against Paki genocide of the eastern Pakis. With CHT in hand - an effective naval ring could be enforced preventing nukization of the region.

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Re: Bangladesh News and Discussion

Postby brihaspati » 04 Dec 2013 23:13

They were being too emotional about the BD pretensions of leaning culturally towards "India". No formal social and demographic analysis was made, or even if it was made - possibly coloured by wrong pseudo-leftist preconceptions. Had IG really given India priority - she would have been going for getting Pindi and CHT as the first objective and not independence for BD.

At the negotiations stage - this would have been possible - had she not already committed to the "independence" line publicly, and still defanged Paki "east" by demilitarizing it. There was also possibly the fear perhaps imbibed from her father - about influx of more "Hindu" refugees from Bengali background.


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