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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ramana » 23 Jan 2016 21:39

ISI is like KGB and Gestapo.
It's inspiration is Mukhabarat.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 25 Feb 2016 13:53

Fair Didi Ko Gussa Kyoon Aata Hai?

C. Christine Fair fulminates about the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan via their notorious terrorist fomenting intelligence arm the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI, intimidating academics.

Says that the Government of the Islamic Republic “incentivizes scholars to watch what they write and say about Pakistan by holding visas and official meetings hostage”. Any idea who these incentivised scholars may be? David Ignatius? Stephen Cohen? Michael Kugelman?

Ends her article with the taunt from Monty Python and the Holy Grail “I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries”.

Pakistan's War on Scholars

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby SSridhar » 25 Feb 2016 14:23

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 19 Mar 2016 05:59

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Member of the Nehru-Gandhi family led Congress Party, Shashi Tharoor ,on holding “uninterrupted and uninterruptible” talks with the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

"We can't have uninterrupted talks with Pakistan as Mani Shankar Aiyar suggests. If the military and ISI unleash Lashkar-e-Taiba in Mumbai and other cities, we should interrupt talks. We can't talk to people who cannot control their nationals," …………………. "Its surrendering our self-respect by saying we will talk to you even if your people are coming and killing us,"

Continuing talks with Pakistan while they attack us is surrendering our self-respect: Shashi Tharoor

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby SSridhar » 07 May 2016 05:33

ISI 'poisoned' CIA ex-official in Pakistan - Chidanand Rajghatta, ToI
The US made secret preparations to evacuate its diplomats stationed in Pakistan to India on the night of the raid in May 2011 on the Abbottabad compound where Osama bin Laden was hiding, unnamed US officials have disclosed, while also suggesting that the then CIA station chief in Islamabad was poisoned by ISI in retaliation for the humiliating commando assault that killed the al-Qaida chief.

The startling revelation, reported first in the Washington Post, centers on the months around the Abbottabad raid, Pakistanis twice breached protocol by outing the serving CIA station chief in Islamabad. It was partly out of anger at the US for implicating the ISI and its chief in the Mumbai terrorist attack. The situation was so bad that the first of those station chiefs, Jonathan Bank, was actually spirited out the country by the US in complete violation of diplomatic norms, fearing Pakistani retaliation.

"As then-CIA deputy director Michael Morell finished a series of scheduled meetings in Islamabad, Bank escorted his boss to a waiting agency plane. Then, without any notice to Pakistani authorities and in violation of protocol, Bank stayed aboard as the flight crew closed the door," {wow !} the Post said, citing unnamed officials.

Bank was replaced by Mark Kelton, a Russia expert who decided Pakistan could not be trusted and began preaching "Moscow Rules" upon arrival, meaning that the "ISI should be treated as a determined foe rather than a problematic partner.'' His seven month stint, the paper said, was in many ways a ''parade of humiliation for his hosts," from the Raymond Davis episode to the Abbottabad raid.

He also signed off on many of the Drone attacks. The ISI disliked him so much that its chief Ahmad Shuja Pasha refused to meet him and referred to him as a cadaver.

"On the first night in May , as midnight approached in Pakistan, Kelton, Munter and a senior US military official gathered in a secure CIA room in the embassy to watch transmissions from a stealth drone circling over Abbottabad as the bin Laden raid began," the Post reported. "The trio had made secret preparations for possible Pakistani reprisals, officials said, drafting evacuation plans that called for employees at scattered US diplomatic sites to flee across the border into India or be scooped up by the USS Carl Vinson from the Karachi shore."

Soon after the raid, the Post said, Kelton began to experience severe stomach pains. It became so severe that he had to be evacuated after only seven months in his post even as the Pakistanis leaked his name in the media. Although Kelton recovered after he had abdominal surgery on this return to the U.S and is now retired from the CIA, "agency officials continue to think that it is plausible -if not provable -that Kelton's sudden illness was somehow orchestrated by the ISI," the paper wrote.

However much I hate the ISI, I admire its determined ways.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 07 May 2016 07:18

To go with the above post, X Posting the Washington Post story that first disclosed that the notorious intelligence arm of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI was suspected to have poisoned the US Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) Islamabad Station Chief Mark Kelton:


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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 28 Jun 2016 20:39

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Ted Poe, U.S. Legislator who serves as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Non-Proliferation and Trade on the US rewarding their Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Major Non NATO Ally the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:


The House of Representatives recently gave Pakistan a $200 million raise. In all, it was a $900 million payday for a country that to this day is supporting terrorist groups that kill our service men and women in Afghanistan.


It is well known by now that Pakistan gave safe harbor to Osama bin Laden. Before he met his maker in one of the greatest U.S. military raids ever conducted, bin Laden was living in a big house in a bustling military town in Pakistan. Less known is that after that raid our CIA station chief in Pakistan was poisoned: Both he and the CIA suspect he was poisoned by Pakistan's version of the CIA called the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency or "ISI."

The ISI is infamous for its support for terrorists. In February 2012, a NATO report confirmed that it was supporting the Taliban and other terrorist groups with resources, sanctuary and training. A year before the NATO report, in 2011, Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified before Congress that "the Haqqani Network acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Agency." No terrorist organization is responsible for more American deaths than the Haqqani Network.


From here:

Stop Paying Pakistan : Congress should quit funding Pakistan's due to the country's complicity in terrorism.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ramana » 19 Jan 2017 02:33

arun, Up.
Thread is unlocked. I don't know why it got locked in first place!!!

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby krishna_krishna » 23 Jan 2017 05:03

Excellent book, this sheds light on british needs/origin for ISI one of the points never discussed was that need for british to bring back /control india was one of the prime motives for it's creation :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCwujLROdc

Heinz Kiessling Author

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby svinayak » 23 Jan 2017 09:54

krishna_krishna wrote:Excellent book, this sheds light on british needs/origin for ISI one of the points never discussed was that need for british to bring back /control india was one of the prime motives for it's creation :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCwujLROdc


Also the author had two passport so that he can go to Pak and also India during similar times

Nothing should be surprising

The role to hurt India and Hindu and Hindu social setup was known earlier with jihad during the British Raj

In the modern times the British made this organization ISI to expand outside the military and inside the civil govt and use civil media and govt depts
All means are used to undermine Indian and bring India down

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 16 Feb 2017 15:17

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

The Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan stands accused of spying on brotherly momin United Arab Emirates (UAE).

Pakistani national on trial for spying in favour of the Embassy of Pakistan in the UAE and divulging secret information about a local telecommunication company:

Pakistani national, identified as A.A, stood trial in the court, accused of spying in favour of the Embassy of Pakistan in the UAE and divulging secret information about a local telecommunication company.

The defence lawyer told the court that his client did not mean to divulge confidential information about the company he was working for. "He was just exchanging information with some employees of the Pakistan embassy, who were intelligence officers of the Pakistani Embassy to the UAE…………………….


Khaleej Times:

Pakistani telecom employee in court for spying

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 04 Mar 2017 00:26

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

The US launches a “criminal theft and cyber security investigation” targetting the Awan family who have roots in the Islamic Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and administered computers for US legislators mainly from the Democratic Party who served on the US intelligence, homeland security, and foreign affairs committees.

The US during their cyber security investigation would be well addvised to see if information was passed on to the Islamic Republic’s notorious intelligence agency the Inter Services Intelligence Directorat aka ISID aka ISI :

Dozens of House Democrats have collectively paid $4 million since 2009 to Pakistani IT professionals now under criminal investigation who had access to House members' email and computer files.

Capitol Police is investigating whether five members of the Awan family from Pakistan engaged in criminal activity, including theft, as computer administrators for dozens of House Democrats, some of whom serve on the intelligence, homeland security, and foreign affairs committees. …………………..

The suspects–brothers Imran, Abid, and Jamal, and two of their wives, Hina Alvi and Natalia Sova–had full access to the lawmakers' email and computer files for whom they worked and are part of a criminal theft and cyber security investigation.

The House members who paid the most to the Awans included Democratic Reps. Marcia Fudge (Ohio), Tim Ryan (Ohio), Jim Acosta (Calif.), and former Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.).

Awan family members received outsized salaries in comparison to their colleagues working on Capitol Hill, raking in $5 million collectively since 2003. Imran Awan, for example, received $1.2 million in salary since 2010, while legislative assistants on Capitol Hill receive a median annual salary of $43,000. ………………………


From here:

House Dems Paid $4 Million to Pakistani IT Professionals Now Under Criminal Investigation


Since I do not recollect this affair being posted here on BRF some earlier stories from the Daily Caller who apparently broke this story:

1. EXCLUSIVE: House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs Committee Members Compromised By Rogue IT Staff

2. Pakistani Suspects In House IT Probe Received $4 Million From Dem Reps

3. House Dem IT Staffers Owed Money To Hezbollah-Connected Fugitive

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ramana » 06 Mar 2017 08:56

Foisted.on own Petard.

After 9/11 it was found a Paki family business had exclusive baggage handling contract in DC airports.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 17 Mar 2017 10:41

Two Sufi Mohammadden sect clerics who had travelled from India to the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic disappear. Suspicion is that the two Sufi Mohammadden Clerics have been picked up by the Intelligence Arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Islamic Republic of pakistan’s Army, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI.

Is it halal for an Islamic Republic like Pakistan to detain Mohammadden Clerics from Non-Mohammadden countries?

Organisation of Islamic Co-operation must demand own member Pakistan stop molesting Ulema.:

India has asked the Pakistan government to return two senior Indian clerics who have been missing from Lahore since Wednesday. Asif Nizami and his brother Nazim Nizami, senior clerics from Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya dargah in New Delhi were travelling in Pakistan on a religious tour, but are believed to have gone missing from Lahore.

The Indian high commissioner in Islamabad has lodged a strong complaint with the foreign ministry in Islamabad on Thursday evening. But sources here suspect the ISI, Pakistan's all-pervasive deep state, may have "picked them up" for reasons that are still unclear. The abduction of the Sufi clerics will be taken very seriously by India, sources said.


From Indrani Bagchi writing in Times of India:

India asks Pakistan to return two missing clerics

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 17 Mar 2017 21:37

Pakistan admits detaining Indian clerics over suspected movement, India rubbishes claims of 'unauthorised visit' :

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 21 Mar 2017 06:39

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

anupmisra wrote:This cleric story gets better and better.

The Lyin' Soofi
This case gets more and more curious by the hour.

I was taken away from Karachi with my face covered

Syed Asif Ali Nizami, one of the two Sufi clerics who went missing in Pakistan last week, rejected media reports that he and his nephew had been detained by Pakistani authorities on spying charges
..the cleric narrated a curious tale of being blindfolded and taken to an unknown location, where he was greeted with a degree of hospitality.
I was taken to a place quite far from Karachi, with my face covered. I was offered food, they prepared tea and biscuits for me
He also denied being mistreated by the Pakistani authorities, insisting that "no force or coercion was used" against them.
We were not troubled, and were kept in VIP rooms
The reports that we could not be contacted because of network issues is totally false,
The two clerics thanked the governments of India and Pakistan for their safe return
the clerics expressed their desire to visit the country again.
I will definitely go to Pakistan again, bearing a message for peace and love
The duo went missing from Lahore airport


So, a senile, octogenarian is blind-folded, taken away from L'whore airport to an unknown location near/in k'rachi, housed in a VIP room, given chai-biskoot and asked about his dargah matters. Boy, do I have a bridge to sell you.

1. Blindfolded in lawhore and taken to k'rachi...by what? a plane, train or an automobile? How did he know he was not taken to the rural parts if he was blind folded?
2. Cellphone did not work in l'whore or k'rachi or anywhere in between?
3. While the face was covered, he was treated to chai and biskoot
4. Bakis did not mistreat him...no sireee bob!
5. All the baki "authorities" did was to ask him questions on his dargah which they could have asked him in l'whore hawaii adda
6. As that unibrow idiot baki kirketeer said after learning about his new born, "thankj to the boyj", this cleric thanks al bakistan and its agencies for his "release"
7. After all this, he wants to go back to the land of his masters...er kidnappers. I believe this was a simple meeting between a handler or a bagman and his asset. It got out of hand when the cleric's families raised a stink of him being incommunicado.

Some is definitely black in the lentils.Next time an ingrate soofi goes missing in bakistan, let him rot.


Presumably what you posted came from Times of India in which case, for the sake of good order, the web link follows. Check out the embedded video as well:

I was taken away from Karachi with my face covered: Cleric who went missing in Pakistan

Meanwhile BJP politician Subramanian Swamy is reported as indicating that the pair of Sufi Mohammadden Clerics who went “missing” in the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan “were working against the country {ie: India}”. Once again check out the embedded video:

Subramanian Swamy says Indian clerics who went missing in Pakistan were working against country

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 08 Apr 2017 23:39

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Hmmm………… I wonder if India has arrested a high ranking ISI aka ISID aka Inter Services Intelligence Directorate Agent committing espionage in India and the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan is consequently attempting to play victim by claiming that the high ranking agent was kidnapped and taken across the border into India.

Let me hope that it is indeed the case that India has bagged a high ranking ISID agent for espionage in India and who after a full and public confession of spying can be traded for our retired naval officer Kulbhushan Jadhav who was kidnapped by Pakistan from Chabahar in Iran.

Read about the affair of the disapperance of a Uniformed Jihadi by name of Lt.Col. (Retired?) Muhammad Habib Zahir:

Gone missing: Retired army officer disappears in Nepal
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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 08 Apr 2017 23:57

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

More on the affair of the disapperance of a Uniformed Jihadi by name of Lt.Col. (Retired?) Muhammad Habib Zahir from Express Tribune:

Retired army officer goes missing in Nepal

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 17 May 2017 06:49

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

On the kidnap of Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav.

Dr. Gunter Mulack, the former German Ambassador to the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, who had first said in a seminar that he had heard Commander Kilbhushan Jadhav who was then working in Chabahar in Iran had been abducted by the Taliban from along the Iran-Pakistan border and then sold to the nototious intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISI aka ISID; reiterates that claim.

Dr. Mulack tells India Today "I had said during the course of a seminar in Karachi that it was heard Jadhav was abducted by the Taliban in Iran and then sold to Pakistan's ISI. It is not uncommon for this to happen in the border areas. But this was what locals told me. It was not what German intelligence had picked up":

Pakistan will pour oil in fire if it hangs Kulbhushan Jadhav before ICJ verdict, says ex-German ambassador Mulack

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 01 Jun 2017 11:46

Amber G. wrote:For record https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/869987810211577856

"Afghan Amb to UK says his country's intelligence agency pins blame for Kabul attack on Haqqani network in Pakistan.
CNN International" Video.


Afghanistan has gone a step beyond blaming the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan located Haqqani Group for the Ramadan aka Ramzan month Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden suicide VBIED bombing in Kabul that killed 90. Afghanistan is now also blaming the the notorious Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI for the Ramadan aka Ramzan month Kabul suicide VBIED bombing that killed 90.

Is it “Halal” for a self proclaimed IEDological Musim State, Islamic Republic and Sole Islamic Nuclear Power like the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan to foment terrorism targetting Momins in a “Brotherly” country during the month of Ramadan aka Ramzan? :

……………. The Afghan intelligence service, NDS, said early findings showed the Afghan Haqqani militant network with the assistance of the Pakistani intelligence service, ISI, carried out the attack.

In a statement, the NDS said: "These terrorists once again proved they don't represent any religion and they only carry out such coward attacks to please their Pakistani masters which is against all Islamic and human rights principals." ……………….


From UK Network Sky News:

Kabul bombing: Afghans blame Haqqani network and Pakistan


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