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ISI is like KGB and Gestapo.
It's inspiration is Mukhabarat.
It's inspiration is Mukhabarat.
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Fair Didi Ko Gussa Kyoon Aata Hai?
C. Christine Fair fulminates about the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan via their notorious terrorist fomenting intelligence arm the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI, intimidating academics.
Says that the Government of the Islamic Republic “incentivizes scholars to watch what they write and say about Pakistan by holding visas and official meetings hostage”. Any idea who these incentivised scholars may be? David Ignatius? Stephen Cohen? Michael Kugelman?
Ends her article with the taunt from Monty Python and the Holy Grail “I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries”.
Pakistan's War on Scholars
C. Christine Fair fulminates about the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan via their notorious terrorist fomenting intelligence arm the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI, intimidating academics.
Says that the Government of the Islamic Republic “incentivizes scholars to watch what they write and say about Pakistan by holding visas and official meetings hostage”. Any idea who these incentivised scholars may be? David Ignatius? Stephen Cohen? Michael Kugelman?
Ends her article with the taunt from Monty Python and the Holy Grail “I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries”.
Pakistan's War on Scholars
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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
Member of the Nehru-Gandhi family led Congress Party, Shashi Tharoor ,on holding “uninterrupted and uninterruptible” talks with the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
"We can't have uninterrupted talks with Pakistan as Mani Shankar Aiyar suggests. If the military and ISI unleash Lashkar-e-Taiba in Mumbai and other cities, we should interrupt talks. We can't talk to people who cannot control their nationals," …………………. "Its surrendering our self-respect by saying we will talk to you even if your people are coming and killing us,"
Continuing talks with Pakistan while they attack us is surrendering our self-respect: Shashi Tharoor
Member of the Nehru-Gandhi family led Congress Party, Shashi Tharoor ,on holding “uninterrupted and uninterruptible” talks with the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
"We can't have uninterrupted talks with Pakistan as Mani Shankar Aiyar suggests. If the military and ISI unleash Lashkar-e-Taiba in Mumbai and other cities, we should interrupt talks. We can't talk to people who cannot control their nationals," …………………. "Its surrendering our self-respect by saying we will talk to you even if your people are coming and killing us,"
Continuing talks with Pakistan while they attack us is surrendering our self-respect: Shashi Tharoor
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ISI 'poisoned' CIA ex-official in Pakistan - Chidanand Rajghatta, ToI
However much I hate the ISI, I admire its determined ways.The US made secret preparations to evacuate its diplomats stationed in Pakistan to India on the night of the raid in May 2011 on the Abbottabad compound where Osama bin Laden was hiding, unnamed US officials have disclosed, while also suggesting that the then CIA station chief in Islamabad was poisoned by ISI in retaliation for the humiliating commando assault that killed the al-Qaida chief.
The startling revelation, reported first in the Washington Post, centers on the months around the Abbottabad raid, Pakistanis twice breached protocol by outing the serving CIA station chief in Islamabad. It was partly out of anger at the US for implicating the ISI and its chief in the Mumbai terrorist attack. The situation was so bad that the first of those station chiefs, Jonathan Bank, was actually spirited out the country by the US in complete violation of diplomatic norms, fearing Pakistani retaliation.
"As then-CIA deputy director Michael Morell finished a series of scheduled meetings in Islamabad, Bank escorted his boss to a waiting agency plane. Then, without any notice to Pakistani authorities and in violation of protocol, Bank stayed aboard as the flight crew closed the door," {wow !} the Post said, citing unnamed officials.
Bank was replaced by Mark Kelton, a Russia expert who decided Pakistan could not be trusted and began preaching "Moscow Rules" upon arrival, meaning that the "ISI should be treated as a determined foe rather than a problematic partner.'' His seven month stint, the paper said, was in many ways a ''parade of humiliation for his hosts," from the Raymond Davis episode to the Abbottabad raid.
He also signed off on many of the Drone attacks. The ISI disliked him so much that its chief Ahmad Shuja Pasha refused to meet him and referred to him as a cadaver.
"On the first night in May , as midnight approached in Pakistan, Kelton, Munter and a senior US military official gathered in a secure CIA room in the embassy to watch transmissions from a stealth drone circling over Abbottabad as the bin Laden raid began," the Post reported. "The trio had made secret preparations for possible Pakistani reprisals, officials said, drafting evacuation plans that called for employees at scattered US diplomatic sites to flee across the border into India or be scooped up by the USS Carl Vinson from the Karachi shore."
Soon after the raid, the Post said, Kelton began to experience severe stomach pains. It became so severe that he had to be evacuated after only seven months in his post even as the Pakistanis leaked his name in the media. Although Kelton recovered after he had abdominal surgery on this return to the U.S and is now retired from the CIA, "agency officials continue to think that it is plausible -if not provable -that Kelton's sudden illness was somehow orchestrated by the ISI," the paper wrote.
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To go with the above post, X Posting the Washington Post story that first disclosed that the notorious intelligence arm of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI was suspected to have poisoned the US Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) Islamabad Station Chief Mark Kelton:
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
Ted Poe, U.S. Legislator who serves as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Non-Proliferation and Trade on the US rewarding their Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Major Non NATO Ally the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
Stop Paying Pakistan : Congress should quit funding Pakistan's due to the country's complicity in terrorism.
Ted Poe, U.S. Legislator who serves as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Non-Proliferation and Trade on the US rewarding their Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Major Non NATO Ally the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
From here:
The House of Representatives recently gave Pakistan a $200 million raise. In all, it was a $900 million payday for a country that to this day is supporting terrorist groups that kill our service men and women in Afghanistan.
It is well known by now that Pakistan gave safe harbor to Osama bin Laden. Before he met his maker in one of the greatest U.S. military raids ever conducted, bin Laden was living in a big house in a bustling military town in Pakistan. Less known is that after that raid our CIA station chief in Pakistan was poisoned: Both he and the CIA suspect he was poisoned by Pakistan's version of the CIA called the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency or "ISI."
The ISI is infamous for its support for terrorists. In February 2012, a NATO report confirmed that it was supporting the Taliban and other terrorist groups with resources, sanctuary and training. A year before the NATO report, in 2011, Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified before Congress that "the Haqqani Network acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Agency." No terrorist organization is responsible for more American deaths than the Haqqani Network.
Stop Paying Pakistan : Congress should quit funding Pakistan's due to the country's complicity in terrorism.
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Excellent book, this sheds light on british needs/origin for ISI one of the points never discussed was that need for british to bring back /control india was one of the prime motives for it's creation :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCwujLROdc
Heinz Kiessling Author
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCwujLROdc
Heinz Kiessling Author
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Also the author had two passport so that he can go to Pak and also India during similar timeskrishna_krishna wrote:Excellent book, this sheds light on british needs/origin for ISI one of the points never discussed was that need for british to bring back /control india was one of the prime motives for it's creation :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULCwujLROdc
Nothing should be surprising
The role to hurt India and Hindu and Hindu social setup was known earlier with jihad during the British Raj
In the modern times the British made this organization ISI to expand outside the military and inside the civil govt and use civil media and govt depts
All means are used to undermine Indian and bring India down
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
The Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan stands accused of spying on brotherly momin United Arab Emirates (UAE).
Pakistani national on trial for spying in favour of the Embassy of Pakistan in the UAE and divulging secret information about a local telecommunication company:
Pakistani telecom employee in court for spying
The Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan stands accused of spying on brotherly momin United Arab Emirates (UAE).
Pakistani national on trial for spying in favour of the Embassy of Pakistan in the UAE and divulging secret information about a local telecommunication company:
Khaleej Times:Pakistani national, identified as A.A, stood trial in the court, accused of spying in favour of the Embassy of Pakistan in the UAE and divulging secret information about a local telecommunication company.
The defence lawyer told the court that his client did not mean to divulge confidential information about the company he was working for. "He was just exchanging information with some employees of the Pakistan embassy, who were intelligence officers of the Pakistani Embassy to the UAE…………………….
Pakistani telecom employee in court for spying
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
The US launches a “criminal theft and cyber security investigation” targetting the Awan family who have roots in the Islamic Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and administered computers for US legislators mainly from the Democratic Party who served on the US intelligence, homeland security, and foreign affairs committees.
The US during their cyber security investigation would be well addvised to see if information was passed on to the Islamic Republic’s notorious intelligence agency the Inter Services Intelligence Directorat aka ISID aka ISI :
House Dems Paid $4 Million to Pakistani IT Professionals Now Under Criminal Investigation
Since I do not recollect this affair being posted here on BRF some earlier stories from the Daily Caller who apparently broke this story:
1. EXCLUSIVE: House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs Committee Members Compromised By Rogue IT Staff
2. Pakistani Suspects In House IT Probe Received $4 Million From Dem Reps
3. House Dem IT Staffers Owed Money To Hezbollah-Connected Fugitive
The US launches a “criminal theft and cyber security investigation” targetting the Awan family who have roots in the Islamic Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and administered computers for US legislators mainly from the Democratic Party who served on the US intelligence, homeland security, and foreign affairs committees.
The US during their cyber security investigation would be well addvised to see if information was passed on to the Islamic Republic’s notorious intelligence agency the Inter Services Intelligence Directorat aka ISID aka ISI :
From here:Dozens of House Democrats have collectively paid $4 million since 2009 to Pakistani IT professionals now under criminal investigation who had access to House members' email and computer files.
Capitol Police is investigating whether five members of the Awan family from Pakistan engaged in criminal activity, including theft, as computer administrators for dozens of House Democrats, some of whom serve on the intelligence, homeland security, and foreign affairs committees. …………………..
The suspects–brothers Imran, Abid, and Jamal, and two of their wives, Hina Alvi and Natalia Sova–had full access to the lawmakers' email and computer files for whom they worked and are part of a criminal theft and cyber security investigation.
The House members who paid the most to the Awans included Democratic Reps. Marcia Fudge (Ohio), Tim Ryan (Ohio), Jim Acosta (Calif.), and former Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.).
Awan family members received outsized salaries in comparison to their colleagues working on Capitol Hill, raking in $5 million collectively since 2003. Imran Awan, for example, received $1.2 million in salary since 2010, while legislative assistants on Capitol Hill receive a median annual salary of $43,000. ………………………
House Dems Paid $4 Million to Pakistani IT Professionals Now Under Criminal Investigation
Since I do not recollect this affair being posted here on BRF some earlier stories from the Daily Caller who apparently broke this story:
1. EXCLUSIVE: House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs Committee Members Compromised By Rogue IT Staff
2. Pakistani Suspects In House IT Probe Received $4 Million From Dem Reps
3. House Dem IT Staffers Owed Money To Hezbollah-Connected Fugitive
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Foisted.on own Petard.
After 9/11 it was found a Paki family business had exclusive baggage handling contract in DC airports.
After 9/11 it was found a Paki family business had exclusive baggage handling contract in DC airports.
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Two Sufi Mohammadden sect clerics who had travelled from India to the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic disappear. Suspicion is that the two Sufi Mohammadden Clerics have been picked up by the Intelligence Arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Islamic Republic of pakistan’s Army, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI.
Is it halal for an Islamic Republic like Pakistan to detain Mohammadden Clerics from Non-Mohammadden countries?
Organisation of Islamic Co-operation must demand own member Pakistan stop molesting Ulema.:
India asks Pakistan to return two missing clerics
Is it halal for an Islamic Republic like Pakistan to detain Mohammadden Clerics from Non-Mohammadden countries?
Organisation of Islamic Co-operation must demand own member Pakistan stop molesting Ulema.:
From Indrani Bagchi writing in Times of India:India has asked the Pakistan government to return two senior Indian clerics who have been missing from Lahore since Wednesday. Asif Nizami and his brother Nazim Nizami, senior clerics from Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya dargah in New Delhi were travelling in Pakistan on a religious tour, but are believed to have gone missing from Lahore.
The Indian high commissioner in Islamabad has lodged a strong complaint with the foreign ministry in Islamabad on Thursday evening. But sources here suspect the ISI, Pakistan's all-pervasive deep state, may have "picked them up" for reasons that are still unclear. The abduction of the Sufi clerics will be taken very seriously by India, sources said.
India asks Pakistan to return two missing clerics
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Pakistan admits detaining Indian clerics over suspected movement, India rubbishes claims of 'unauthorised visit' :
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
I was taken away from Karachi with my face covered: Cleric who went missing in Pakistan
Meanwhile BJP politician Subramanian Swamy is reported as indicating that the pair of Sufi Mohammadden Clerics who went “missing” in the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan “were working against the country {ie: India}”. Once again check out the embedded video:
Subramanian Swamy says Indian clerics who went missing in Pakistan were working against country
Presumably what you posted came from Times of India in which case, for the sake of good order, the web link follows. Check out the embedded video as well:anupmisra wrote:This cleric story gets better and better.
The Lyin' Soofi
This case gets more and more curious by the hour.
I was taken away from Karachi with my face covered
Syed Asif Ali Nizami, one of the two Sufi clerics who went missing in Pakistan last week, rejected media reports that he and his nephew had been detained by Pakistani authorities on spying charges..the cleric narrated a curious tale of being blindfolded and taken to an unknown location, where he was greeted with a degree of hospitality.I was taken to a place quite far from Karachi, with my face covered. I was offered food, they prepared tea and biscuits for meHe also denied being mistreated by the Pakistani authorities, insisting that "no force or coercion was used" against them.We were not troubled, and were kept in VIP roomsThe reports that we could not be contacted because of network issues is totally false,The two clerics thanked the governments of India and Pakistan for their safe returnthe clerics expressed their desire to visit the country again.I will definitely go to Pakistan again, bearing a message for peace and loveSo, a senile, octogenarian is blind-folded, taken away from L'whore airport to an unknown location near/in k'rachi, housed in a VIP room, given chai-biskoot and asked about his dargah matters. Boy, do I have a bridge to sell you.The duo went missing from Lahore airport
1. Blindfolded in lawhore and taken to k'rachi...by what? a plane, train or an automobile? How did he know he was not taken to the rural parts if he was blind folded?
2. Cellphone did not work in l'whore or k'rachi or anywhere in between?
3. While the face was covered, he was treated to chai and biskoot
4. Bakis did not mistreat him...no sireee bob!
5. All the baki "authorities" did was to ask him questions on his dargah which they could have asked him in l'whore hawaii adda
6. As that unibrow idiot baki kirketeer said after learning about his new born, "thankj to the boyj", this cleric thanks al bakistan and its agencies for his "release"
7. After all this, he wants to go back to the land of his masters...er kidnappers. I believe this was a simple meeting between a handler or a bagman and his asset. It got out of hand when the cleric's families raised a stink of him being incommunicado.
Some is definitely black in the lentils.Next time an ingrate soofi goes missing in bakistan, let him rot.
I was taken away from Karachi with my face covered: Cleric who went missing in Pakistan
Meanwhile BJP politician Subramanian Swamy is reported as indicating that the pair of Sufi Mohammadden Clerics who went “missing” in the Mohammadden Terrorism fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan “were working against the country {ie: India}”. Once again check out the embedded video:
Subramanian Swamy says Indian clerics who went missing in Pakistan were working against country
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
Hmmm………… I wonder if India has arrested a high ranking ISI aka ISID aka Inter Services Intelligence Directorate Agent committing espionage in India and the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan is consequently attempting to play victim by claiming that the high ranking agent was kidnapped and taken across the border into India.
Let me hope that it is indeed the case that India has bagged a high ranking ISID agent for espionage in India and who after a full and public confession of spying can be traded for our retired naval officer Kulbhushan Jadhav who was kidnapped by Pakistan from Chabahar in Iran.
Read about the affair of the disapperance of a Uniformed Jihadi by name of Lt.Col. (Retired?) Muhammad Habib Zahir:
Gone missing: Retired army officer disappears in Nepal
Hmmm………… I wonder if India has arrested a high ranking ISI aka ISID aka Inter Services Intelligence Directorate Agent committing espionage in India and the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan is consequently attempting to play victim by claiming that the high ranking agent was kidnapped and taken across the border into India.
Let me hope that it is indeed the case that India has bagged a high ranking ISID agent for espionage in India and who after a full and public confession of spying can be traded for our retired naval officer Kulbhushan Jadhav who was kidnapped by Pakistan from Chabahar in Iran.
Read about the affair of the disapperance of a Uniformed Jihadi by name of Lt.Col. (Retired?) Muhammad Habib Zahir:
Gone missing: Retired army officer disappears in Nepal
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
More on the affair of the disapperance of a Uniformed Jihadi by name of Lt.Col. (Retired?) Muhammad Habib Zahir from Express Tribune:
Retired army officer goes missing in Nepal
More on the affair of the disapperance of a Uniformed Jihadi by name of Lt.Col. (Retired?) Muhammad Habib Zahir from Express Tribune:
Retired army officer goes missing in Nepal
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.
On the kidnap of Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav.
Dr. Gunter Mulack, the former German Ambassador to the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, who had first said in a seminar that he had heard Commander Kilbhushan Jadhav who was then working in Chabahar in Iran had been abducted by the Taliban from along the Iran-Pakistan border and then sold to the nototious intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISI aka ISID; reiterates that claim.
Dr. Mulack tells India Today "I had said during the course of a seminar in Karachi that it was heard Jadhav was abducted by the Taliban in Iran and then sold to Pakistan's ISI. It is not uncommon for this to happen in the border areas. But this was what locals told me. It was not what German intelligence had picked up":
Pakistan will pour oil in fire if it hangs Kulbhushan Jadhav before ICJ verdict, says ex-German ambassador Mulack
On the kidnap of Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav.
Dr. Gunter Mulack, the former German Ambassador to the Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, who had first said in a seminar that he had heard Commander Kilbhushan Jadhav who was then working in Chabahar in Iran had been abducted by the Taliban from along the Iran-Pakistan border and then sold to the nototious intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISI aka ISID; reiterates that claim.
Dr. Mulack tells India Today "I had said during the course of a seminar in Karachi that it was heard Jadhav was abducted by the Taliban in Iran and then sold to Pakistan's ISI. It is not uncommon for this to happen in the border areas. But this was what locals told me. It was not what German intelligence had picked up":
Pakistan will pour oil in fire if it hangs Kulbhushan Jadhav before ICJ verdict, says ex-German ambassador Mulack
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Amber G. wrote:For record https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/869987810211577856
"Afghan Amb to UK says his country's intelligence agency pins blame for Kabul attack on Haqqani network in Pakistan.
CNN International" Video.
Afghanistan has gone a step beyond blaming the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan located Haqqani Group for the Ramadan aka Ramzan month Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden suicide VBIED bombing in Kabul that killed 90. Afghanistan is now also blaming the the notorious Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI for the Ramadan aka Ramzan month Kabul suicide VBIED bombing that killed 90.
Is it “Halal” for a self proclaimed IEDological Musim State, Islamic Republic and Sole Islamic Nuclear Power like the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan to foment terrorism targetting Momins in a “Brotherly” country during the month of Ramadan aka Ramzan? :
From UK Network Sky News:……………. The Afghan intelligence service, NDS, said early findings showed the Afghan Haqqani militant network with the assistance of the Pakistani intelligence service, ISI, carried out the attack.
In a statement, the NDS said: "These terrorists once again proved they don't represent any religion and they only carry out such coward attacks to please their Pakistani masters which is against all Islamic and human rights principals." ……………….
Kabul bombing: Afghans blame Haqqani network and Pakistan
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C Christine Fair highlights the very close links between the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Un-Uniformed Jihadis of UN proscribed Islamic Republic of Pakistan based Mohammadden Terrorist group Jamaat Ud Dawa JuD.
Jamaat-ud-Dawa: Converting Kuffar at Home, Killing Them Abroad
a………………. studies exhibit little awareness of the important domestic perquisites JuD affords its handlers in the army and the brutal intelligence agency that the army oversees, the Inter-services Intelligence Directorate (ISI).
In the last decade, JuD spawned numerous related organizations, such as the Idara Khidmat-e-Khalq (IKK, Organization for Humanitarian Assistance), declared by the US Department of Treasury to be an FTO in April 2006.10 In 2009, JuD constituted a new humanitarian front, Falah Insaniat Foundation (FIF, Foundation for Welfare of Humanity), which the United States also designated as an FTO in 2010. In 2012, the United Nations designated FIF pursuant to UN Security Council Resolutions 1267 (1999) and 1989 (2011).11 Most recently, in early August 2017, JuD has floated a political party named the Milli Muslim League (MML) headed by a senior leader of the JuD named Saifullah Khalid.12 The MML is fielding a candidate in the September 17, 2017 by-election to fill the seat left vacant by Nawaz Sharif’s recent ouster even though the MML has not yet completed its registration with the Pakistan Election Commission.13 The MML plans to field more candidates in the 2018 elections. This represents a serious retrenchment from the organization’s long-standing position that it has no role in electoral politics and that elections and democracy are in fact anathema to its interpretation of shariat. While little is known about the MML given its recency, speculation is rife about its relationship to Pakistan’s deep state. Some analysts interpret the development of MML as a positive sign that Pakistan is trying to rein in its proxy by giving it a nonlethal domestic role that will allow the state to decommission its jihad function gradually.14
I reject this interpretation. As I have previously argued and also note here, LeT is the only militant organization in Pakistan that argues explicitly against violence within Pakistan while also offering the perquisite of loyally executing lethal attacks at the behest of the deep state.15 While only time will tell which interpretation is correct, I see the emergence of the MML as a further effort by the deep state to formally embed JuD within Pakistani politics. The timing of the MML’s nascence is also notable because it coincides with the army’s exhaustion with both of the mainstream political parties (the Pakistan Peoples’ League and the Pakistan Muslim League of Nawaz Sharif) and the ongoing failure of Imran Khan’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) to develop a national presence. In effect, the army has few options to engineer Pakistan’s political leadership in the forthcoming general elections.16 While the MML is unlikely to fare well in elections (as no religious party ever polls more than 10 percent in a free and fair Pakistan election),17 the MML can play a useful role as a member of a coalition groomed by the army and the ISI.
Hudson Institute:Conclusions and Implications
JuD remains the subject of scholarly and policy analytical inquiry. Most extant scholarship views this organization from the singular point of view of its external utility as a loyal and effective proxy of Pakistan’s military and intelligence agency. This singular focus upon its role in waging so-called jihad in India and, to a lesser extent, in Afghanistan significantly understates the significance of JuD to Pakistan’s deep state. Not only is it a crucial partner in prosecuting its national security interests abroad, it is also a vital partner in managing Pakistan’s internal security arrangements. JuD is the only militant organization in Pakistan that deliberately preaches the message that the only legitimate jihad is the external jihad. It is also the only militant organization that explicitly disavows not only sectarian violence, but also communal violence. This does not mean that JuD is insouciant about deviations from tawheed or other shortcomings. However, it believes that within the borders of Pakistan, the only method to deal with wayward Muslims—either ordinary citizens or in leadership—is through dawah and preaching the message of the external jihad. With the launch of the MML, JuD will be even more effective in spreading this message. Consequently, JuD will likely become even more valuable to its masters in the Pakistani army and intelligence community, even if it comes at the cost of being more difficult to control and manage over the longer term.
Jamaat-ud-Dawa: Converting Kuffar at Home, Killing Them Abroad
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X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism thread.
A case of “Good Terrorists” being plausibly deniably backed with COTS explosives by the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI, the notorious intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Afghanistan’s Tolo News reports that Afghan intelligence agency, the National Directorate of Security (NDS), have announced that initial investigations show that the explosives used by Mohammadden belief motivated group, Taliban, in the attack on the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul on Saturday unsurprisingly came from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
Explosives Used in Hotel Attack Traced Back To Pakistan: NDS
A case of “Good Terrorists” being plausibly deniably backed with COTS explosives by the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI, the notorious intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Afghanistan’s Tolo News reports that Afghan intelligence agency, the National Directorate of Security (NDS), have announced that initial investigations show that the explosives used by Mohammadden belief motivated group, Taliban, in the attack on the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul on Saturday unsurprisingly came from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:
From Tolo News here:Explosives Used in Hotel Attack Traced Back To Pakistan: NDS
National Directorate of Security (NDS) on Tuesday announced that initial investigations show that the explosives used by Taliban insurgents in the attack on the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul on Saturday came from Pakistan.
The NDS also recovered the vehicle that attackers used to enter the hotel compound.
“The explosive materials seized in the vehicle shows that the material is made in Pakistan,” said the NDS in a press release.
According to the NDS statement, the explosive chemical used by the insurgents was produced by a company in Islamabad called Biafo Industries Limited.
According to Biafo’s website, the company is a modern state of the art explosive manufacturing company. It states it is highly automated and can produce more than 2,500 metric tons of explosives per shift annually.
Saturday’s deadly attack left at least 43 people dead and many more wounded. However, government has only confirmed the death of 29 people so far.
Explosives Used in Hotel Attack Traced Back To Pakistan: NDS
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The 2nd ISI officer to "disappear" after Col Habib last year:
Yusuf (from DFI) in his tweet seems to suggest a SDRE hand behind thisanupmisra wrote:Embassy official missing with sensitive papers booked
An army official appointed as a clerk at the Pakistani embassy in Austria some five months ago disappeared along with some sensitive documentsappointed as a clerk at the Pakistani embassy in Vienna, Austria, in August last year. He was given a sensitive assignment by the defence ministry (a spy, eh?)He was made an official in charge of some important and sensitive national affairs there, it stated, adding that “it was very important duty, besides sensitive for country’s sovereignty”.According to his wife, her husband left the embassy of his free will and will “return after five years”.Have they tried asking for the missing clerk/sepoy at the Indian embassy?“It is suspected that he might have become a tool in the hands of enemy of the country” (all Einsteins)
http://www.dawn.com/news/1384889/embass ... ed?preview
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Or Mossad. It is, after all, Vienna and the Israelis have the ability to smuggle someone out of a European country.sum wrote:The 2nd ISI officer to "disappear" after Col Habib last year:anupmisra wrote:Embassy official missing with sensitive papers booked
Yusuf (from DFI) in his tweet seems to suggest a SDRE hand behind this
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Don’t take any action against Hafiz Saeed, Lahore High Court tells Pakistan govt
The Lahore High Court on Wednesday restrained the Pakistan government from arresting JuD chief and 26/11 terror attack mastermind, Hafiz Saeed, a day after he moved the court seeking protection from arrest.
http://indianexpress.com/article/pakist ... t-5037367/Justice Amin Aminuddin Khan, who heard Saeed’s plea, directed the government from taking any “adverse action” against him.
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X Posted from the Pakistan Armed Forces News & Discussion thread to the ISI News and Discussions and Terroristan threads.
Journalist Kiran Nazish originating in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan reporting from the safety of the US and relative safety of Turkey writes in Vox that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan are indulging in the practise of enforced disappearance of journalists.
Journalist Kiran Nazish originating in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan reporting from the safety of the US and relative safety of Turkey writes in Vox that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan are indulging in the practise of enforced disappearance of journalists.
Pakistan’s powerful and secretive security establishment — which ranges from its feared intelligence agency, the ISI, to the country’s military, which has carried out three coups since its inception in 1947 — has long used abductions to silence anyone who dares to question and expose their actions.
Pakistan’s military is waging a quiet war on journalists : As activists and journalists are kidnapped, entire regions of the country are going silent.Back in 2015, I experienced the power of the country’s deep state firsthand.
In April, Sabeen Mahmud, a friend of mine and one of the country’s most prominent free speech activists, hosted a panel about disappearances in the country’s largest province, Balochistan. The Pakistani government is fighting a separatist uprising there of Baloch nationalists, and though accurate numbers are difficult to find, more than 20,000 people have reportedly gone missing. The same evening, after the panel concluded, Mahmud was shot and killed by unknown gunmen.
I wrote about her death for an Indian magazine and started receiving threats myself from agents with ISI, Pakistan’s infamous government intelligence agency. They repeatedly told me, both in person and over the phone, that I was going to be killed like my friend Sabeen, “and no one will find who did it.”
I also learned that killing one person and then using their death to generate more fear was a common tactic that the Pakistani intelligence agencies used against journalists. It leads to self-censorship, and it works almost every time.
I was no exception. Since the ISI threatened my life, I’ve been too afraid to live and report in Pakistan, and currently divide my time between New York and Turkey.
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When Indian spooks came to rescue of ex-ISI chief's son
In May 2015, former director general of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) General Asad Durrani’s son Osman came to Kochi for work on behalf of a German company. Osman, who has a Pakistani passport but is based in Germany, should have exited the country from the city that he entered from. However, his office booked him from a flight back via Mumbai. He was stopped by authorities in Mumbai and what followed were 24 hours of backchannel networking to get him out of India despite the visa violation
When Durrani heard that Osman had been detained by the Mumbai special branch, he called Dulat for help. Dulat called several people including then RAW chief Rajinder Khanna. The wheels of the Indian intelligence establishment began to turn even as Osman was stonewalled by the local police. Things however worked out, and Osman was able to fly back to Germany after a day from Mumbai. Dulat recalls the most touching part of the incident was that when he called Khanna to thank him for his help, the RAW chief said in reference to Durrani-,’’It’s our duty,’ he said, ‘after all, he’s a colleague.’’
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X Posted from the Terroristan thread.
Visa denial to retired Uniformed Jihadi head of the notorious ISI aka ISID, Lt. Gen. Mohammad Asad Durrani, for the book launch in New Delhi allows the BJP led NDA Government of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi to make very small amends for issuing a visa for the son of an elite retired member of the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and then allowing said son to get away scot free for breaking our immigration laws by visiting Mumbai, a city ravaged by Pakistani Ununiformed Jihadi’s controlled by Pakistani Uniformed Jihadi’s, in violation of visa regulations .
When all it takes for a retired Uniformed Jihadi head of the notorious Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI to subvert the course of Indian law is a phone call to an Indian counterpart formerly tasked with the job of preventing the Mohammadden Terrorism fomented by the ISI (A.S.Dulat) who then in turn gets in touch with the incumbent tasked with that job (Rajinder Khanna), is the sense of entitlement of citizens of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan any wonder
Times Of India:
When Indian spook came to rescue of ex-ISI chief son
: He should be thankful that at least , due to India's democratic traditions, his propaganda video message was not suppressed . If the tables were turned and the venue was Isloo, no such video from the Indian chap would have seen the light of dayFalijee wrote:This Is Asad Durrani's Take On The Indian Visa That Was Refused To Him
India denies visa to former ISI Chief, Top Spy hits back in a video message
[quote]"At the end, a very special thank to the Indian deep state. By denying me the visa, they have saved me from the wrath of our hawks. They will be happy to know that I have not yet been cleared by the South Block (which houses India's PMO and Ministries of Defence and External Affairs)," he said in a pre-recorded video message played in the event.*NEW DELHI. *Former chief of Pakistani intelligence agency ISI Asad Durrani today missed an event in New Delhi, where a book he co-authored with a former RAW chief was released, as he did not get an Indian visa. The book 'The Spy Chronicles: RAW, ISI and the Illusion of Peace', which Durrani co-authored with former RAW chief A S Dulat and journalist Aditya Sinha, was released jointly by former prime minister Manmohan Singh, former vice president Hamid Ansari, former Union minister Yashwant Sinha and a few others in the event organised in Delhi.
[/quote]The book has been styled as a conversation between two spymasters covers a wide range of subjects including NSA Ajit Doval's way of functioning, the Kashmir issue and several thorny issues between India and Pakistan including Kulbhushan Jadhav, Balochistan.
Visa denial to retired Uniformed Jihadi head of the notorious ISI aka ISID, Lt. Gen. Mohammad Asad Durrani, for the book launch in New Delhi allows the BJP led NDA Government of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi to make very small amends for issuing a visa for the son of an elite retired member of the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and then allowing said son to get away scot free for breaking our immigration laws by visiting Mumbai, a city ravaged by Pakistani Ununiformed Jihadi’s controlled by Pakistani Uniformed Jihadi’s, in violation of visa regulations .
When all it takes for a retired Uniformed Jihadi head of the notorious Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI to subvert the course of Indian law is a phone call to an Indian counterpart formerly tasked with the job of preventing the Mohammadden Terrorism fomented by the ISI (A.S.Dulat) who then in turn gets in touch with the incumbent tasked with that job (Rajinder Khanna), is the sense of entitlement of citizens of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan any wonder
Times Of India:
When Indian spook came to rescue of ex-ISI chief son
Would have been a great opportunity for the Nehru-Gandhi family dynasty led Congress Party to haul up the BJP led Government of our Prime Minister Narendra Modi for these disgraceful incidents. Unfortunately attendance of prominent Congress Party members like our former PM Manmohan Singh and former VP Hamid Ansari for the Dulat-Durrani duo’s book launch soiree at New Delhi has watered the Congress Party’s powder .In May 2015, former director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) General Asad Durrani's son Osman came to Kochi for work on behalf of a German company. Osman should have exited the country from the city that he entered from. But his office booked him from a flight back via Mumbai.
He was stopped by authorities in Mumbai and what followed were 24 hours of backchannel networking to get him out of India despite the visa violation. ………………………….
When Durrani heard that Osman had been detained, he called Dulat for help. Dulat called several people including then RAW chief Rajinder Khanna. The wheels of the Indian intelligence establishment began to turn even as Osman was stonewalled.
Things however worked out, and Osman was able to fly back to Germany after a day from Mumbai. Dulat recalls the most touching part of the incident was that when he called Khanna to thank him for his help, the RAW chief said in reference to Durrani,''It's our duty,' he said, 'after all, he's a colleague.''
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Suspected ISI agent held from Nagpur
Security agencies on Monday held a person near Brahmos Aerospace centre at Nagpur.
He is suspected of working for ISI and American intelligence agencies and passing on secrets related to the Brahmos missile to these countries
The accused, identified as Nishant Agrawal, is working at Brahmos Aerospace Centre at Nagpur. He has been booked under the Official Secrets Act.
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Amritsar attack: Accused reveals how Pakistan's ISI provided instructions, grenade to carry out blast
One of the bike-born assailant in the Amritsar attack, in custody of Punjab Police, has revealed how he and his partner carried out the blast on the instructions by Pakistan's ISI-backed Khalistani forces. :
India Today
One of the bike-born assailant in the Amritsar attack, in custody of Punjab Police, has revealed how he and his partner carried out the blast on the instructions by Pakistan's ISI-backed Khalistani forces. :
India Today
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https://www.thefridaytimes.com/dgi-appo ... bad-thing/
DGI Appointment Crisis Is Not Entirely A Bad Thing
some interesting facets on ISI
excerpts
DGI Appointment Crisis Is Not Entirely A Bad Thing
some interesting facets on ISI
excerpts
andreferred to a 1951 Executive Order by the Prime Minister’s Office as the legal instrument that legitimates the existence of the ISI. Two others referred to the 1976 White Paper on Higher Defence Organisation (HDO) that created the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee and also reorganised the ISI, ISPR, Engineer-in-Chief etc. However, it is clear that the ISI existed before HDO and while HDO might have contributed to the ISI’s restructuring, it could not be the instrument for legitimating an agency that had existed decades prior to the HDO itself.
No one from the internal “C” wing was promoted as DGI until LTG Zaheer ul Islam. LTG Faiz Hameed is the second example of a DG-C promoted and placed as DGI. The interlocutor considered this a bad move.
Former army chief, General Aslam Beg — not exactly an officer one can trust — testified in June 1997 before the SC stating: “ISI is an Inter Services Intelligence organisation created by the government of Pakistan and had been directly answerable/responsible to the three services through JCSC till 1975. In 1975, the then Prime Minister of Pakistan through an executive order, created a political cell within the organisation of the ISI, and by virtue of this change in the working of the ISI it came directly under the control of the Chief Executive, particularly on political matters, and for all the security matters concerning the armed forces, ISI reported to Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee.”
The problem with this statement is that the JCSC came into being in 1976 and Bhutto appointed the first CJCSC in March that year. Also, as noted above, Bhutto made a convincing case about how the ISI and DIB were used by his predecessors in his written response to the junta’s White Paper against his years in power.