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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 06 Jul 2011 06:43

Notwithstanding the fact that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is passing through an infrequent period of civilian administration albeit “under seen” by the Military rather than the more frequent periods of outright Military Dictatorship, political freedom is nonetheless circumscribed.

Journalist Omar Waraich in Time Magazine on the deadly consequences of annoying the ISI / ISID, the intelligence agency of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Read it all:

Risky Business: When Pakistani Journalists Take On the ISI

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 10 Jul 2011 10:21

In Canada protests against the fomenting of Islamic Terrorism in Afghanistan by the Intelligence Agency of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the ISI / ISID:

Protesters oppose Pakistan spy agency's 'meddling' in Afghanistan

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 21 Jul 2011 07:03

Attempt by the spy agency of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the ISI / ISID to spread anti India propaganda in the US busted.

Washington Post:

Two charged in Pakistani spy services’ alleged funneling of money via U.S. group

BBC:

US charges pair over links to Pakistan spy agency

New York Times:

Pakistan’s Military Plotted to Tilt U.S. Policy, F.B.I. Says

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 21 Jul 2011 07:14

There seem to be a number of Indian dupes of the ISI’s attempt to spread anti-Indian propaganda via Ghulam Nabi Fai’s Kashmiri American Council.

Going by press reports those who reportedly benefitted from ISI sponsored junkets included Kuldip Nayar, Dileep Padgaonkar, Harinder Baweja, Ved Bhasin, Rajmohan Gandhi, Rita Manchanda and Gautam Navlakha.

Times of India:

L'affaire Fai: US lawmakers, Indian liberals come under scrutiny

The Telegraph:

Indian guests for ISI-funded Kashmir cell

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby chetak » 21 Jul 2011 07:33

arun wrote:There seem to be a number of Indian dupes of the ISI’s attempt to spread anti-Indian propaganda via Ghulam Nabi Fai’s Kashmiri American Council.

Going by press reports those who reportedly benefitted from ISI sponsored junkets included Kuldip Nayar, Dileep Padgaonkar, Harinder Baweja, Ved Bhasin, Rajmohan Gandhi, Rita Manchanda and Gautam Navlakha.

Times of India:

L'affaire Fai: US lawmakers, Indian liberals come under scrutiny

The Telegraph:

Indian guests for ISI-funded Kashmir cell



Don't forget the self styled and pompous "intellectual" kamal mitra chinoy who actually tried to defend his position in his usual braindead fashion. Talk about vipers and the bosom. :evil:

This liberal gem and paid overground sympathiser is given a salary by the GOI at the JNU.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby sum » 21 Jul 2011 08:45

Praveen Swami uvacha:
ISI paid millions to influence U.S. on Kashmir

FBI agent Sarah Linden's affidavit filed in support of the Justice Department's criminal complaint — the rough equivalent of a First Information Report — alleges that Dr. Fai reported to several ISI officials, identified as Brigadier Javed Aziz Khan, Brigadier Sohail Mehmood, Lieutenant-Colonel Tauqeer Mehmood Butt and the former head of the organisation's security directorate, Major-General Mumtaz Bajwa.

Intercepted phone calls and e-mail, the affidavit states, make clear the ISI directly controlled the activities not just of the KAC but also its sister institutions in Brussels and London.

4 serving ISI senior afsars unmasked by Amrika!!!

Also, does the "security directorate" of Maj Gen Bajwa imply the "S- Branch"( black ops division) on which so much talk was focused on BR few weeks back?

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ManuT » 21 Jul 2011 18:41

In a way, it is US aid money that is flowing back into the US in this. It is at no cost to TSP or ISI or TSPA.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby svinayak » 21 Jul 2011 23:38

ManuT wrote:In a way, it is US aid money that is flowing back into the US in this. It is at no cost to TSP or ISI or TSPA.

This is true but the ultimate aim of all these support is to undermine the state of India. This has been going on for 50 years is astonishing and none of the Indian generations since 1950 could provide a effective lobby in DC to lobby for India, on behalf of Indians and to support the state of India.
The money in this system is provided by US to Pakistan which is in turn used against India and to prop up Pakistan in US.
The dependency of Pakistan on money to even lobby for itself in US is controlled by the US aid.
As CRAMS says nothing happens unless GOTUS says so.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 28 Jul 2011 07:26

Ghulam Nabi Fai, via his lawyers, admits receiving funds from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s spy agency the ISI / ISID:

Received money from ISI: Fai

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby wig » 30 Jul 2011 08:39

g n Fai's contemporaries/ counterparts managing ISI evil networks of disinformation in London are Majid Tramboo and Nazir Shawl in Brussels. the source is this article
When we talk of Dr. Ghulam Nabi Fai, the Kashmiri Muslim, an American citizen now, heading a pro-Pakistani outfit, funded by the ISI, we have to see him in the above context, as a core ISI asset, an important link in the chain which includes two other Kashmiri Muslims, Messers Tramboo and Shawl, operating from London and Brussels, whose job it has been to canvass local support for the pro-Pakistan separatists and against the Indian occupiers of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, as well sponsoring conferences on issues like human rights. The sensational disclosures made about how these three men in three major capitals have tried to subvert public opinion is straight away out of the CIA-ISI book.


though i am not quite sure of which editor of a local paper he is referring to. would rather not hazard a guess!
Incidentally I know of some Kashmiri Pandits too having partkaken of the hospitality in Brussels, Geneva etc, in the same manner as a highly vocal Jammu Editor would be present at most Fai-type meetings and conferences. Clever man that he is, he would confine himself to issues like human rights and autonomy without joining issue with separatists cause espoused by the sponsors. He softly, gently plugged the anti-India line by keeping the focus on human rights violations etc.


http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ramana » 04 Aug 2011 02:13

Original by krisna......

The Haqqanis of North Waziristan
Combating Terrorism Center at West Point has a new report on the Haqqani network, the jehadi group based in North Waziristan. Titled The Haqqani Nexus and the Evolution of al-Qa’ida, the deeply-researched study report is authored by Don Rassler and Vahid Brown. The report explores how the Haqqani network has historically functioned as a nexus organization and as a strategic enabler of local, regional and global forms of Islamist militancy.

A few noteworthy extracts from the study, especially some pertaining to Kashmir:

At the regional level, many of the Pakistanis who fought with Haqqani would later shift their attention and employ the fighting skills and training they had acquired in Loya Paktia against Indian forces in Kashmir. Some would even go on to create their own jihadist organizations and become legendary commanders, a dynamic perhaps best exemplified by Fazlur Rahman Khalil and Zakiur Rahman Lakhvi, who were respectively central to the formation of Harakat ul Mujahidin (HuM) and Lashkar-e-Taiba.

The Haqqani network’s direct support for various Kashmiri training camps are revealed in a 1998 communication from the Pakistani government to the Taliban, contained in the Harmony database. This document includes a list in Pashto and English of nine wanted Pakistani “terrorists,” with photographs and names, aliases and last known sightings.

The most striking element of the Haqqani network’s evolution post 9/11 is the persistence of its cross?dimensional nexus. During this decade, surprisingly little changed in terms of the Haqqani network’s relations, strategy and outlook. The war in Afghanistan has reinforced and strengthened the Haqqani network’s central role, with the group still being located at the nexus between local, regional and global forms of militancy. Similar to the 1990s, areas in which the Haqqani network exerts the most influence continue to be used as a platform to enable other actors, most notably al Qa’ida and more recently elements of the TTP. The Haqqani network has been able to maintain close ties with these actors while also remaining a key proxy for Islamabad, highlighting the paradox underlying Pakistan’s security policy. Perhaps most importantly, this nexus has also survived a generational change in leadership from father Jalaluddin to son Sirajuddin, as well as a ten year campaign against al Qa’ida conducted by the United States and its partner Pakistan.

By serving as the local to al?Qa’ida’s global over multiple decades, the Haqqani network has directly contributed to the development and endurance of global jihad

This makes the Haqqani network a willing ideological partner and an active participant in al Qa’ida’s global jihad, as Haqqani network leaders have consistently provided the local context and space for al Qa’ida to sustain itself and continue its fight. By shedding new light on the history of al Qa’ida, this report also tells us that al Qa’ida and the Haqqani network, and not the Quetta Shura Taliban, became the United States’ primary enemies on 11 September 2001.

More tangible is Pakistan’s reluctance to conduct a military operation against the Haqqani network and the milieu of jihadist actors sheltered in North Waziristan. Pakistan’s inaction is fueling the Afghan insurgency and it is also providing space for the Haqqani network to sustain itself and for anti?Pakistan militants and global jihadists to further coalesce. Left unchecked, North Waziristan will continue to function as the epicenter of international terrorism.

Perhaps there is good reason why the US has avoided highlighting this issue publicly. It is to save Pakistani Army chief General Kayani the embarrassment of being seen as sending his troops into North Waziristan under direct US pressure, if he agrees to send them there. But that is a big If — if General Kayani is able to convince his corps commanders that Pakistan army should actually be taking on its long-term strategic asset, the Haqqani network.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 12 Sep 2011 20:21

The many mentions of the ISI certainly merits this article by Dexter Filkins in the New Yorker being X Posted here:

Rangudu wrote:Guys,

Read the New Yorker article in full- it is worth it. BTW, here's a nugget from that article:

On March 17th, four missiles fired from a drone hit a group of men who had gathered at a market in the village of Datta Khel, in North Waziristan. As many as forty-four people died. The Pakistani government denounced the strike, claiming that it had killed a number of tribal elders, and demanded an apology.

As with nearly all drone strikes, the precise number and nature of the casualties were impossible to verify. The high-level American official told me that the “tribal elders” were actually insurgent leaders. But he offered another reason that the Pakistani officials were so inflamed: “It turns out there were some I.S.I. guys who were there with the insurgent leaders. We killed them, too


Funnily enough, on the day that drone strike happened, I had said this

Some ISI men some "tribal elders" were in attendance. The ISI men killed is probably why Kayani did a chakka dance


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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby JE Menon » 13 Sep 2011 22:49

Good call Arun :D

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby Rony » 13 Sep 2011 23:55

wig wrote:though i am not quite sure of which editor of a local paper he is referring to. would rather not hazard a guess!
Incidentally I know of some Kashmiri Pandits too having partkaken of the hospitality in Brussels, Geneva etc, in the same manner as a highly vocal Jammu Editor would be present at most Fai-type meetings and conferences. Clever man that he is, he would confine himself to issues like human rights and autonomy without joining issue with separatists cause espoused by the sponsors. He softly, gently plugged the anti-India line by keeping the focus on human rights violations etc.


http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/


That would be Ved Bhasin of 'Kashmir Times'. That idiot is a regular in ISI sponsered kashmir conferances.
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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ramana » 14 Sep 2011 00:02

We should learn to galli the person and not their parents.

The galling parents is an imported slur.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby pran » 14 Sep 2011 00:18

More tangible is Pakistan’s reluctance to conduct a military operation against the Haqqani network and the milieu of jihadist actors sheltered in North Waziristan. Pakistan’s inaction is fueling the Afghan insurgency and it is also providing space for the Haqqani network to sustain itself and for anti?Pakistan militants and global jihadists to further coalesce. Left unchecked, North Waziristan will continue to function as the epicenter of international terrorism.

I am wondering if the Haqqani Network have control over some strategic nukes to hold so much influence, It was known that TSP used the opportunity at the beginning of the war to move a lot of strategic stuff including personnel to safety. Other that some alliance of sort why TSP is not even contemplating a move against them at any level.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby Rony » 14 Sep 2011 00:19

Ramana garu, Agreed. I edited my post.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ramana » 14 Sep 2011 00:27

Thanks, ramana

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby sum » 14 Sep 2011 09:35

X-post:
sum wrote:ISI helped Osama escape US dragnet in Tora Bora

Pakistan's military-run Inter-Services Intelligence could have provided protection to slain al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden for a period of time, suggests the latest issue of The New Yorker magazine.

Former Afghan intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh told the magazine' writer Dexter Filkins, a Pulitzer prize winner, that an ISI operative Syed Akbar Sabir had escorted bin Laden from the Pakistani region of Chitral to Peshawar, passing through Kunar Province, in Afghanistan, along the way.

"We believed that he was part of the ISI operation to care for bin Laden," Saleh, who directed the Afghan intelligence service from 2004 to 2010, said.

He said the ISI operative had been arrested by Afghan intelligence in 2005 when he narrated the events unfolding in Afghanistan, post 9/11.


The article talks about another ISI agent Fida Muhammad, who too had been arrested by Afghan intelligence agents.

The article says Muhammad, who described himself as civilian employee of ISI, said in May that for much of the past decade, he had escorted Haqqani fighters from their sanctuaries in Pakistan into Afghanistan, where they fought against the Americans.

Muhammad said his most memorable job came in December, 2001, when he was part of a large ISI operation intended to help jihadi fighters escape from Tora Bora: the mountainous region where bin Laden was trapped for several weeks, until he mysteriously slipped away.


Muhammad was part of a four-man team, and there were dozens of such teams. He estimated that the ISI teams evacuated as many as 1,500 militants from Tora Bora

and other camps: "Not only Arabs but Pakistanis, Uzbeks, and Chechens. I didn't see bin Laden. But there were so many Arabs."

The operation had been sanctioned at the highest levels of the ISI. However the ISI has denied Muhammad's account.

Which country has done more to secure 7 billon people of the world against terror, hain-ji?

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby abhischekcc » 14 Sep 2011 13:16

US accusing pakistan of helping UBL in escaping from Tora Bora is not correct. They knew what pakistan was doing. Pakis said that they needed to evacuate ISI officers and men, including at least one brigadier rank, and so they a safe air corridor for their military transport planes. Initially, they asked 2 flights IIRC. US said ok.

Then pakis ended up evacuating 1500 people. Do you think that 1500 people can be carried in 2 miitary transport aircrafts? They must have made multiple flights with the US watching. What was the US doing then? This excuse of incompetence will not work every time.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Sep 2011 16:04

abhischekcc wrote:US accusing pakistan of helping UBL in escaping from Tora Bora is not correct. They knew what pakistan was doing. Pakis said that they needed to evacuate ISI officers and men, including at least one brigadier rank, and so they a safe air corridor for their military transport planes. Initially, they asked 2 flights IIRC. US said ok.

Then pakis ended up evacuating 1500 people. Do you think that 1500 people can be carried in 2 miitary transport aircrafts? They must have made multiple flights with the US watching. What was the US doing then? This excuse of incompetence will not work every time.


Evacuation happened at Mazhar-e-sharief.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby sum » 14 Sep 2011 16:27

ABCC,
Are you confusing Tora-bora assault with the Kunduz "airlift of evil" where Mushy got Unkil to evacuate all his ISI guys out of A'tan?

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Postby vishvak » 14 Sep 2011 16:35

sum wrote:ABCC,
Are you confusing Tora-bora assault with the Kunduz "airlift of evil" where Mushy got Unkil to evacuate all his ISI guys out of A'tan?


Airlift of Evil - that is what pakis learnt well in Afghanistan. Perhaps this is another such airlift. The common factor being friends from ISI, Arab 'fighter', etc. - basically the core trouble mongering package.

I think this is different than Kunduz.
Torabora - Location (South East of Kabul, south of Jalalabad, near Pakistani Border)
Kunduz Location - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz

From the link http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110913.htm:
Muhammad said that when the American bombing of Tora Bora began, in late November, he and other ISI operatives had gone there, and into other parts of eastern Afghanistan, to evacuate training camps whose occupants included al-Qaeda fighters.

This airlift of trouble makers is the most weird thing - basically pakis take aid to corner them and then fly them off for another day or something like that. Very weird.

I don't know who is playing whom here, I am only bothered how it helps world peace.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby JE Menon » 14 Sep 2011 17:11

>>I am only bothered how it helps world peace.

This is clearly explained in the ad that the Pakisatans took out in the Wall Street Journal. Please to visit TSP thread.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 14 Sep 2011 19:50

Un-uniformed Jihadi’s turn on their one time uniformed Jihadi mentors of the ISI in Bannu:

Three Pakistan intelligence officials killed

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan | Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:14pm IST ……………………

In Wednesday’s attack, militants ambushed a vehicle carrying officials from the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), opening fire from several directions on a road in the tribal region of Bannu. One intelligence official was wounded.

“The vehicle belonged to the ISI and was attacked with Kalashnikovs. Three people were killed and one was critically wounded,” Sajjad Khan, a senior police official, told Reuters. .........

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby saadhak » 14 Sep 2011 21:03

A couple of quotes from former ISI chief Assad Durrani. (Sorry if this has been posted earlier since the article is dated)

Steve, it is very hard for me to overstate to you the enthusiasm for which Pakistan's generals have for the Taliban.


I do not know what all the ISI knew about Bin Laden's whereabouts before he was reportedly killed, or when the Pakistani leadership was informed about the US operation on that fateful night. But the fact that we denied all knowledge or cooperation -- even though the military and the police cordons were in place at the time of the raid, our helicopters were hovering over the area, and the Army Chief was in his command post at midnight -- explains the Country's dilemma.

If its leadership was to choose between inability to defend national borders and complicity with the US to hunt down one person who defied the mightiest of the worldly powers, it would rather concede incompetence.

From:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/pakistans-isi-from-the-inside/242471/

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby Hitesh » 15 Sep 2011 01:52

I find former ISI chief Assad Durrani's first comment to be enlightening and descriptive.

When Smashing Lists, a relatively unknown website, declared Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, the ISI, the best of its kind, it gladdened my heart but also had me worried.


I guess he needs to be gratified by a POS article engaging in a pissing match. That speaks volume about him. Enough said.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby ramana » 15 Sep 2011 01:54

Most likely he monitors this thread weekly if not daily!


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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby sum » 15 Sep 2011 08:37

^^ I can understand TSP openly showing its hand when it attacks India or its embassy since it knows that India will grin and bear it with no fallout but why is TSP needling Unkil so much by knowingly placing its handprints all over anti-Unkil attacks?

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby JE Menon » 15 Sep 2011 19:28

nuclear weapons

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Postby arun » 20 Sep 2011 21:48

The government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan refuses to hand over former chief of the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI / ISID), Lieutenant General (Retired) Javed Nasir, to the International Tribunal of Hague who had sought his custody for his support to Mohammadden separatists fighting the Serbian army in Bosnia in the 1990s, despite an embargo by the United Nations:

The Pakistanis claim that Lt. Gen. (Retd) ‘lost his memory’ following a recent road incident, and was, therefore, unable to face any investigation into the matter.

All this after Lt. Gen. Nasir in a petition filed in an anti-terrorism court in Lahore on October 23, 2002 had disclosed that “despite the UN ban on supply of arms to the besieged Bosnians, he successfully airlifted sophisticated anti-tank guided missiles which turned the tide in favour of Bosnian Muslims and forced the Serbs to lift the siege, much to the annoyance of the US government”:

Islamabad refuses to hand over ex-ISI chief to Bosnia tribunal

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 21 Sep 2011 21:31

X Posted excerpts from the September 20, 2011 US Department of Defense (DOD) News Briefing with Secretary Panetta and Adm. Mullen from the Pentagon dealing with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s links, particularly those of the ISI / ISID, to Islamic Terrorists:

Q: After the series of attacks in Kabul, is there any greater U.S. willingness to take unilateral action against the Haqqanis across the border in Pakistan? And if not, what can you do about it?

SEC. PANETTA: Well, I made the point, and I think Mike Mullen has made the same point, that, look, we are going to take whatever steps are necessary to protect our forces. With -- and I’m not going to talk about, you know, particular strategies to, in fact, implement that commitment.

But our biggest concern right now is to put as much pressure as possible on the Pakistanis to exercise control from their side of the border. We’ve continued to state that this cannot happen. We cannot have the Haqqanis coming across the border, attacking our forces, attacking Afghanistan -- Afghanistanis and then disappearing back into a safe haven. That is not tolerable.

And we have urged them to take steps. Mike Mullen met with General Kayani recently to urge that same point. And we’ll continue to do that. I think they’re -- I think they’ve heard the message, but we’ll see.


Q: To go back to -- on the Haqqani, you know, Mr. Secretary, you said that think that the Pakistanis have heard your pleas about what needs to be done inside their borders, and that, Mr. Chairman, you met with Kayani. We’ve heard that for several years now, that we think they’ve heard us, but we want them to do more, and you’ve kept meeting with the general over and over again. Have you been wrong in this strategy of not having a harder fist with them, taking a tougher stand? Is there something else that could have been done that would have made -- have changed this narrative, after all this time?

ADM. MULLEN: I think the substance of the meeting just the other day, as well as the vast majority of meetings that I’ve had with General Kayani, have been to work towards a way that we can sustain the relationship. It’s going to go up and down. We’ve had a very tough patch here over the last several months.

I just -- I would want to reassure you that I addressed this issue very strongly with General Kayani the other night, last Friday night, when I met with him. It was the heart of the discussion, that the Haqqani -- the proxy connection to the ISI, the Haqqanis working across border, killing our people, killing Afghans, has to stop.

That’s not a new message, but it’s one that he clearly understands, and I think it’s one we have to keep reiterating.

All of that said, I think the strength of having met with him so many times is that we have sustained a relationship, you know, when things are going better as well as when things are not going well. And recently they haven’t gone well, but we’ve been able to sustain that and start to move it again in a more positive direction. But the clarity with which I addressed this issue, there just -- there can be no question and no doubt.

SEC. PANETTA: The approach has to be for Pakistan to continue to put pressure on them -- continue to put pressure on them. That’s what we’ve been doing over the last few years. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t work. But the fact is that the most important thing we can do is keep the pressure on. Obviously, they cooperate with us in some areas. There are other areas where we have disagreements.

Very frankly, terrorism is as much a threat for them as it is for us. And we keep telling them, you can’t choose among terrorists. If you’re -- if you’re against terrorism, you have to be against all forms of terrorism. And that’s something we just have to continue to stress.


Read it all:

US DOD Transcript

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 23 Sep 2011 07:04

Chairman of the US Military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, on the topic of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s intelligence agency supporting Islamic Terrorists in testimony before the US Senate Armed Forces Committtee:

Pakistan’s Spy Agency Is Tied to Attack on U.S. Embassy

By ELISABETH BUMILLER and JANE PERLEZ ……………………..

Published: September 22, 2011 “With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted that truck bomb attack, as well as the assault on our embassy,” Admiral Mullen said in a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “We also have credible evidence that they were behind the June 28th attack against the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations.”

In short, he said, “the Haqqani network acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency.”


Despite the angst ridden comment by Admiral Mullen, expect yet more of the same with regard to relations between the US and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan with the US dhimmifully continuing liberally paying Jaziya to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :lol: :

“Some may argue I’ve wasted my time, that Pakistan is no closer to us than before, and may now have drifted even further away. I disagree. Military cooperation again is warming.”


Read it all :

Hew York Times

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 02 Oct 2011 11:21

Pakistani newspaper The News reports that with regard to the assassination of the former President of Afghanistan, Burhanuddin Rabbani, the Interior Minister of Afghanistan is reported as saying that “Without any doubt Pakistan’s ISI hand has been involved,”:

ISI involved in Rabbani killing: Kabul

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby abhischekcc » 02 Oct 2011 20:53

arun wrote:The government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan refuses to hand over former chief of the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI / ISID), Lieutenant General (Retired) Javed Nasir, to the International Tribunal of Hague who had sought his custody for his support to Mohammadden separatists fighting the Serbian army in Bosnia in the 1990s, despite an embargo by the United Nations:

The Pakistanis claim that Lt. Gen. (Retd) ‘lost his memory’ following a recent road incident, and was, therefore, unable to face any investigation into the matter.

All this after Lt. Gen. Nasir in a petition filed in an anti-terrorism court in Lahore on October 23, 2002 had disclosed that “despite the UN ban on supply of arms to the besieged Bosnians, he successfully airlifted sophisticated anti-tank guided missiles which turned the tide in favour of Bosnian Muslims and forced the Serbs to lift the siege, much to the annoyance of the US government”:

Islamabad refuses to hand over ex-ISI chief to Bosnia tribunal


ISI supplied these weapons on the behest of US. The weapons were reaching the Bosnians in UN trucks that were ostensibly carrying 'humanitarian' aid to them. The entire operation was controlled by the No 2 in the UN forces, who was an American.

The fighters came from US and Iran.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 03 Oct 2011 21:59

From the Atlantic the story of the ISI / ISID funded anti-Indian propagandist Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai who is currently an involuntary guest of the US Justice system:

The Man Behind Pakistani Spy Agency's Plot to Influence Washington

The same article has also been posted at Pro Publica and is available at the below link:

The Man Behind Pakistan Spy Agency’s Plot to Influence Washington

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 05 Oct 2011 21:38

X Posting the Afghan National Security Adviser Dadfar Rangin Spanta’s comment on the role of the ISI and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in fomenting Islamic Terrorism in Afghanistan:

Dilbu wrote:Haqqani network managed, trained, led by ISI: Afghanistan's national security advisor

After the United States even Afghanistan has accused Pakistani spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of having direct links with the Haqqani terror network.

Afghanistan's National Security Advisor (NSA) Dadfar R. Spanta told Headlines Today on Wednesday that the Haqqani network was led, managed and trained by the ISI.

Spanta alleged that Pakistan was actively engaged in organising terror attacks in Afghanistan.

"In Pakistan there are a few terror centres active against Afghanistan. Haqqani network is just one. In fact, Haqqani network and ISI are one and... same. It is a group managed, trained and led by ISI," the NSA said.


"Despite the positives of Pakistan, there are sanctuaries and some terror activities and networks that Pakistan is using against Afghanistan," he said.

Talking about Afghanistan's relation with India, Spanta said, "Strategic partnership between India and Afghanistan is a holistic partnership. More intelligence sharing... counter terrorism experience will be shared. India will provide for Afghanistan military training and its police personnel... Our collaboration is for the peace of this region."

Afghans are stepping it up for sure.

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Re: ISI-History and Discussions

Postby arun » 07 Oct 2011 08:32

Former US Defense Secretary Robert Gates is reported by wire service Associated Press as saying at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point that “Pakistan's intelligence agency has ties to a militant group active in neighboring Afghanistan”

What’s with this pattern of US Officials only waxing explicitly about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s dalliance with Islamic Terrorists at or close to their retirement?

AP via WSJ:

Gates: Pakistan spy agency tied to militant group


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