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Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 13 Nov 2017 11:15

Weren't there talks of how RAW played a hand in bringing down Rajapakse to assist someone who is more pro Delhi? May be things didn't go as planned.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Nov 2017 11:15

This are all rumors with no basis.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby periaswamy » 13 Nov 2017 19:36

SL papers have a lot of conspiracy theories about India in SL all the time.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby ashish raval » 15 Nov 2017 03:39

ArjunPandit wrote:ashish the problem is that ..the guy with lamborghini will rape our friend too...and will take over the flat of our friend who is our neighbour too, the question is you pull the friend out of this deep shit or wait for the guy to be at door with a gun in your hand,
make this situation when the 'friend' becomes son or brother. I will not go to the xtent of saying porkis as our friends who are just 'misguided' but SL is seriously. We both have rough patches in our relationship, but let's realize we dont want another pakistan in our neighbourhood


Why exactly do you think srilanka is old friend who has lost track and not someone who is a wolf in sheep clothing who will milk India by playing same game again an again by doing India Vs China in their land?

I have not seen a single step by Srilankans which will make me think they have changed from 5 years back. Heck they even offered shitty location for us to develop as if we are happy with breadcrumbs just to be present in Srilanka. I will not want GoI to part a single money to bail them out in whatsoever.

Bottom line Srilanka is not a friend and to assume that is a grave misjudgement imho. You are free to have your view but I don't see any verified evidence on ground.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby periaswamy » 15 Nov 2017 03:53

There are no friends in foreign politics, but there are allies and adversaries/enemies and a sliding scale in between. SL could be considered an ally if its actions end up as a net positive in securing India, but given how they have deliberately chosen to sell themselves to the Chinese to India's detriment, it is closer to an adversary than it is an ally.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Gagan » 15 Nov 2017 09:24

Sri Lankan internal politics mandates a show of Independence.

So they are the first to rush to Terroristan's aid to play cricket with them, play the India vs China game in this century, much reminiscent of the US vs USSR game in the last century

They alongwith Nepal were miffed and unhappy when India withdrew from the SAARC summits and other meets in Pakistan

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Nov 2017 10:07

Yes, they need a few years to reflect on what the Europeaans , Americans, Chinese and others are upto, bailing them out now with Indian tax payer money is a no no.

Let the Chinese seize thier lands, they let them offer something which is concrete and a win win for both Indians and Sri Lankans.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 15 Nov 2017 13:12

SL got caught in a debt trap thanks to Rajapakse,family and friends.The massive kickbacks that he allegedly demanded,"50%",from his Chinese patrons,made them add another 25% for their own "pocket money"! This was allegedly mentioned (R's 50%) by none other than the Chinese envoy himself.He was overconfident about the elections,thought that Ranil W would be the oppn. candidate and as his astrologer told him that Ranil W would not win,dismissed the unknown lightweight Sirisena,cunningly selected in secret by CBK as the joint Oppn. candidate,with no political baggage or controversies,to end the rule of Rajapakses. Sirisena now enthroned like all accidental rulers,has begun to like his exalted position and on several issues locks horns with Ranil.It's the "two steps forward,one step back" waltz! While ranil has the support of his party,Sirisena's SLFP is split with Rajapakse increasing his influence over its members thanks to the ill-gotten largesse that he has given them in the past and their hopes for the future!

Unfortunately,the GOSL is indebted to the PRC and has compromised on Htota and the Port City,assurances earlier given to india,whow ere happy to see the back of Rajapakse.The failure top prosecute the R "familia" for the huge corruption scams despite so much time having passed, is ensuring a rapid loss of support for the coalition govt. Rajapakse's popularity .or rather frustration with the current Sirisena/Ranil regime ,where the cost of living has skyrocketed,fuel shortages (blamed upon India as usual by Rajapakse!) due to non-payment of fuel bills by Sri Lankan Airways and shortages due to the CPC which supplies 85% of Lanka's fuel (the IOC JV supplies only 15%+),are increasing rajapakse's chances of making a comeback.

Added to this is the confusion over Constitutional reforms,strongly opposed by the powerful Buddhist clergy and the majority of the Sinhala-Buddhist electorate. What may even strangely worsen the situ is when the hordes of Chinko nationals arrive in the south to deprive the sons of the soil their villages and land which they've owned for thousands of years,in the "Great Chinese take-away" of thousands of hectares in the HT region. This will again be laid at the feet of the present regime,while Rajapakse responsible for the fiasco in the first place will oppose it (as he is doing now) and reap rich rewards!

India and its new HC has its work cut out in SL.Unfortunately we dropped the ball a long time ago during the UPA era and the Modi regime is trying hard toi rectify the damage done.

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Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby Peregrine » 09 Dec 2017 17:18

X Posted on the Analyzing CPEC Thread

Sri Lanka formally hands over Hambantota port to China

COLOMBO: Sri Lanka on Saturday formally handed over the southern sea port of Hambantota to China on a 99-year lease.

Two Chinese firms, namely Hambantota International Port Group (HIPG) and Hambantota International Port Services (HIPS) managed by the China Merchants Port Holdings Company (CMPort) and the Sri Lanka Ports Authority will own the port and the investment zone around it, officials said.

Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe during a visit to China in April had agreed to swap equity in Chinese infrastructure projects launched by former president Mahinda Rajapaksa in his home district.

Former Sri Lankan Finance Minister Ravi Karunanayaka, last year had said that the island country owed China $8 billion.

"With this agreement we have started to pay back the loans. Hambantota will be converted to a major port in the Indian Ocean," Wickremesinghe said while addressing the handing over ceremony held in parliament.

"There will be an economic zone and industrialisation in the area which will lead to economic development and promote tourism," the prime minister said.

Sri Lanka received $300 million as the initial payment for the lease which the opposition had described as a sell out.

The government's grant of large tax concessions to Chinese firms have also been questioned by the opposition.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby srin » 09 Dec 2017 23:14

^^^ Seems like we're in the game too. https://qz.com/1146925/sri-lankas-hambantota-why-does-india-want-to-buy-the-worlds-emptiest-airport/

The Chinese takeover of the Hambantota port only increases New Delhi’s worries that it will become an Indian Ocean hub for the Chinese navy. But, in fact, Hambantota has never been feasible as a full blown Chinese naval base. Its proximity to India would make it highly vulnerable to air attack in the event of conflict between the two countries. But short of war, Hambantota would make a fine logistics point for an expanded Chinese naval presence. Although Colombo has repeatedly claimed that no Chinese naval facility will be permitted in Sri Lanka, New Delhi worries that China’s influence will one day reach a point where the Sri Lankan government simply cannot say no.
This is where the world’s emptiest airport comes in. India is proposing to spend around US$300 million to buy out Sri Lanka’s debt to China in return for a 40-year lease over Hambantota airport. But India’s future plans for the airport are hazy. Maybe a flight school? A new destination for Indian weddings? There seems little chance that it will turn a profit.
That is not the point of the deal. A key element in any overseas naval base, and even a logistics facility, is easy access by air for people and supplies. A naval base also requires maritime air surveillance capabilities. Control over Hambantota airport will give India considerable control over how the port is used. It is difficult to conceive of the Chinese navy developing a significant facility at Hambantota without also controlling the airport. In short, India is spending US$300 million buying an airport to block a Chinese naval base.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby nvishal » 10 Dec 2017 00:24

The port allows refueling of Chinese vessels.

In these times of recession, the Chinese have focused on investing in transit routes. The only thing restricting Chinese exports is the delivery costs. Imagine your post office or a courier wala having branches across the nation. These ports serve the same point. In war, they can serve as support structures for long battle.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby periaswamy » 10 Dec 2017 01:02

nvishal, In war, they can serve as support structures for long battle.


In war, while the above is true. It is also expensive for China to defend this asset in Sri Lanka -- India's cost for destroying this asset is a lot lower. Hmabantota can be made useless in short order given the geographical proximity of India with Sri Lanka. China cannot defend Hambantota with its assets for long, given that its supply lines will depend on CPEC or routes via the china sea -- and these routes can be effectively neutralized to cut off such supply lines.

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby nvishal » 10 Dec 2017 14:13

^ The Chinese are developing similar ports on the coasts of Africa, Pakistan, Myanmar, bangladesh.

We are talking about atleast 5 ports here. That means bifurcating our reconnaissance and military assets into 5 individual groups. This increases our possibility of missing something. War and intelligence go hand in hand. You do understand that this is a problem yes?

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Re: Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

Postby periaswamy » 10 Dec 2017 22:29

^ Was addressing only Sri Lanka's proximity being an advantage. There is also Maldives in the above list. Not denying that the Chinese presence in the Indian Ocean is going to be hard to keep track of (during war times), given Chinese military ships are allowed to be refueled at these ports.


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