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Postby NRao » 20 Jun 2009 07:25

China rebukes ADB over India fund

The Chinese government said the bank had "tarnished" its name with the move.

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India reassured China on Tibet policy

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Jun17, 2009) The Indian Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, has told China that his country recognizes Tibet as part of China and will not allow anyone to carry out anti-China political activities on Indian territory. The reassurance was given during Dr Singh’s meeting with the Chinese President Mr Hu Jintao on Jun 15 night on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) countries’ meeting in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg on Jun 15 and16. The two sides again agreed to resolve their dispute over the Tibet border an early date, and not to let the issue undermine overall bilateral ties, reported China’s official CCTV.com Jun 16.

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In Myanmar, Two Hidden Worlds
Amid privations, its regime prospers by trading with China and India

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Postby harbans » 20 Jun 2009 14:04

Beijing’s official response to the Indian Prime Minister’s statement on Arunachal (9 June 2009) and India’s reported moves to dispatch additional troops to the Sino-Indian border, remains so far muted with no provocation to New Delhi. In contrast, the comments on the subject appearing in the country’s state-controlled media have been sarcastic with a rather threatening tone, towards India.

The PRC Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Qin Gang (11 June 2009), while reiterating that the Sino-Indian border has never been formally demarcated, has stated that China wants a ‘just and rational’ solution to the border issue through talks with India. He has hoped that both sides would follow the consensus and principles agreed upon and protect together the stability and security of the border region.

The authoritative Global Times, affiliated to the Party organ People’s Daily, has on the other hand, been choosing a hard-hitting line towards India. Following its article, “India’s Unwise Military Moves” (People’s Daily Online, English, 11 June 2009), it has published a highly provocative comment (Global Times, Chinese, 12 June 2009) entitled “India is a paper tiger, its use of force will be trounced, say experts”, which needs a close examination. The comment alleged that Indian politicians have always been seen adopting a contradictory stand on China – advocating cooperation on one side and creating incidents on the other as well as declaring support to ‘one-China policy’ on one side and supporting the Dalai Lama “clique” for more than half a century on the other. It singled out the actions of Indian Prime Minister Dr.Manmohan Singh in this connection by referring to his visit to the disputed territory in the Eastern sector of the Sino-Indian border soon after his visit to China and his statement on 9 June 2009, that India would not compromise on the border question.

Declaring that China is not ‘afraid’ of the dispatch of 60,000 additional troops to the border, the Global Times write-up has listed India’s real motives for provoking China – raise the bogey of ‘security threat’ to the border for diverting the attention of Indians from the daily sharpening internal clashes in the country, maintain India’s big brother status in the region and tell the US and other powers that it can play an important role in their attempts to ‘contain’ China. Reiterating China’s stand that it does not recognise the McMahon line, and that it wants to solve the border problem through peaceful and friendly talks, the article has said that India’s actions in the border like sending additional troops, improving firepower and building airfields only hint at New Delhi’s efforts to ‘legalise its territorial occupation’. It has concluded by saying that it is laughable for Mr. Manmohan Singh to talk about preparedness to deal with the ‘security threat’ from China, while simultaneously calling for strengthening of relations with China in the international arena.

The ‘paper tiger’ language takes one to the past, when Mao termed the ‘imperialists’ as a paper tiger, to which Khrushchev responded by saying that ‘paper tiger has nuclear teeth’. This exchange had then ideological and policy connotations. Is it the same situation now? Has Beijing started to reassess India’s role in policy terms? It is anybody’s guess, but to say the least, the epithets in the Global Times look very unfriendly to India, not to mention their criticisms against Prime Minister Manmohan Singh by name.

How to interpret the apparent mixed signals emanating from China? Beijing’s official caution would only mean that it wants no escalation of tensions with India on the border issue. Qin Gang’s press comments above, illustrate this point. On the other hand, China has strategic concerns and hence its use of the state-controlled media to convey the same to India. Such a methodology is not unknown to other nations including India. Of immediate concern to India, would be any signal, which may point to the Chinese military moves in the border in retaliation to steps being taken by it. The fact, however, is that China has already strengthened its military and logistic system in the borders and India’s latest steps are only in response to that.

Caught in a circle, both India and China should now jointly work towards diffusing any border tension, in the overall interest of bilateral relations. The good atmosphere, marked by trade jump and the ‘shared vision for the 21st century’, should not be allowed to get eroded through any radical step by each side.

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r3249.html

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Postby NRao » 20 Jun 2009 20:55

Why China is mad at India

China is well and truly mad at us. The latest provocation was a diplomatic coup that India pulled on China, getting the US, Japan and even Pakistan to vote for ADB funding for a $2.9 billion Indian development project, which includes a $60 million watershed development project in Arunachal Pradsh, a state, which China lays claim to.


Hmmmm.......... Is that true?

Having refused assent a couple of months ago, China, this week lost a diplomatic battle as India got others on the board to vote for the project. China's refusal had India hopping mad, with the MEA telling ADB that it would reconsider its relationship with the multilateral financial institution.

Pranab Mukherjee, who was then the foreign minister, rallied his troops together to mount a diplomatic offensive, in the manner of the nuclear deal days. Pakistan, for instance, was told India would spike its funding requests for projects in the Northern Areas. Moreover, Pakistan and India have had a long tradition of voting with each other
in multilateral institutions.

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Postby Suraj » 21 Jun 2009 00:25

This is very good news indeed. I hope the team of SM Krishna and Shashi Tharoor keep up the good work in the EAM. The only way to show our ability is to get what we want on our terms.

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Postby bala » 21 Jun 2009 10:37

Time for the Chinese people to show the same resolve that Iranians are showing against phony election and phony/strongman leaders. Time for a revolt in China against the commy brigade and his highness Hu.

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Postby derkonig » 21 Jun 2009 18:44

They already did that 20 years ago only to be butchered by the Party.

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Postby NRao » 22 Jun 2009 02:47

Down a few posts:

Keeping the Dragon at Bay: India's Counter-Containment of China in Asia

Myanmarese wariness of China's rising influence in the region has prompted a new tilt towards India. While in New Delhi in 2007 I was informed that the port of Sittwe, which India had feared for several years would become a Chinese naval facility was “now under Indian control”85 and that the Indian Government was finalizing agreements to convert the Myanmarese port of Dawei into an Indian deep-sea port. An Indian analyst informed me that one of the main reasons behind Myanmar's recent reversal is its mounting concern over the massive migrations of Chinese from China's southern provinces to Myanmar. Indeed, some reports claim that over 30 percent of the population of the central city of Mandalay is now composed of illegal Chinese immigrants.

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Postby Skratu » 22 Jun 2009 06:05

Yes both the articles by Iskander Rehman and Walter Ladwig deal with Sino-Indian relations in some depth.

Here's the link to the journal website:

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~ ... g911807638

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Postby NRao » 22 Jun 2009 06:53

Skratu,

The Walter Ladwig article pdf is on the net. It was posted in one of the threads.

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Outlook :: Shanghai Surprise

The fear of a Chinese invasion of Indian markets downplays a growing symbiosis

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Postby NRao » 22 Jun 2009 07:11

NYTimes :: Tibetan Monks Tell Tale of Escape From China

DHARAMSALA, India — Lobsang Gyatso and his fellow Tibetan monks had been biding their time, walking around the main square of the monastery nestled in the barren hills of northwestern China. Now the moment had arrived.

As a group of 20 foreign and Chinese journalists climbed out of minivans, Lobsang and the other monks unfurled banners they had wrapped inside the folds of their crimson robes and held aloft the banned flag of Tibet.

As a group of 20 foreign and Chinese journalists climbed out of minivans, Lobsang and the other monks unfurled banners they had wrapped inside the folds of their crimson robes and held aloft the banned flag of Tibet.

“We have no human rights now,” one monk told reporters in Chinese.

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Postby NRao » 22 Jun 2009 07:13

OpEd :: NYTimes :: When Giants Meet

Chinese President Hu Jintao’s official visit to Russia heralds the significant strides the neighboring giants have made in bilateral relations since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Yet my discussions here over the past week with a range of Russian government officials, businessmen and academics reveal a complex relationship. All in all, as a leading Russian sinologist observed, “China is now becoming a headache for Russia.”

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Postby NRao » 22 Jun 2009 07:26

Hindu :: India takes part in first poverty-alleviation project in China

Beijing (PTI) For the first time, India has extended a helping hand to China by participating in its poverty-alleviation project by setting up a state-of-the-art training-cum-information centre for thousands of farmers in a relatively backward and mountainous northwestern region.

"This is the first-ever poverty-alleviation project in China where the Government of India has participated, demonstrating our earnest willingness to support each other's development effort and benefit the common citizens of the two countries," the Indian Embassy here said.

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Postby kit » 22 Jun 2009 08:08

X posting

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htterr ... 90619.aspx

Not a very good source but this caught my eye

The Chinese military has formidable counterinsurgency experience and recently trained the Sri Lankan army, before that nation’s final confrontation with Tamil rebels.

Can anyone post some material regarding chinese involvement in Sri lanka.If true this will have serious undercurrents against Indian politic despite Rajpakse s seeming bonhomie .

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Postby Anujan » 22 Jun 2009 09:29

kit wrote:The Chinese military has formidable counterinsurgency experience and recently trained the Sri Lankan army, before that nation’s final confrontation with Tamil rebels.


And where exactly was the "formidable counterinsurgency" experience built ? Tibet ? Tinamen ? Xinxiang ? And did SL army really fight a "Counter insurgency" against LTTE ? It was more of a conventional warfare against dug-in opponents.

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NRao wrote:Skratu,

The Walter Ladwig article pdf is on the net. It was posted in one of the threads.


Yes, the Rehman article can also be found at http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... p?t=159581

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Skratu wrote:
NRao wrote:Skratu,

The Walter Ladwig article pdf is on the net. It was posted in one of the threads.


Yes, the Rehman article can also be found at http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... p?t=159581


NRao garu, Skratu where can i find the walter ladwig article pdf ? was it posted in one of our threads ?

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Yeah it was on the Indian Naval discussion board, found the link:

Walter C. Ladwig III, “Delhi’s Pacific Ambition: Naval Power, ‘Look East,’ and India’s Emerging Role in the Asia-Pacific,” Asian Security, Vol. 5, No. 2 (June 2009).
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mert1769/Pacific%20Ambition.pdf

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Have you guys read this article? Quite interesting.
http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2 ... over_tibet

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Postby Philip » 24 Jun 2009 05:39

If China can lay claim to Arunachal Pradesh,then India must lay claim to Tibet.Tibet after all has Buddhist-origins India,while China has Confucism as its religious/philosophical base.Tibet has throughout history far stronger relations and ties with India than China and we must prepare a counter-offensive against China through a plan to liberate Tibet using the Tibetan diaspora and a massive increase in conventional forces on our northern border,say about 10 mountain divisions.Deep strike ops,like destroying key parts of the China-Tibet railway,the Chinese major air and ground forces bases in Tibet and the Karakorum highway should be planned for.This also requires a huge nuimber of tactical missiles based in the North and N-East to achieve the required objective,the destruction of Chinese forces in Tibet and the means to reinforce them.Until we also possess a genuine ICBM capability,preferably sub launched, the Chinese will not take us seriously.The danger to the globe from Chinese adventurism and hegemony is clearly spelt out in the foll. article.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 564974.ece
From The Times June 24, 2009

Currency, culture, Confucius: China's writ will run across the world
The rise of the East will change more than just economics. It will shake up the whole way that we think and live our livesMartin Jacques
The world is being remade but the West is only very slowly waking up to this new reality. In 2027 Goldman Sachs estimates that the size of the Chinese economy will overtake America's and by 2050 will be twice as big.

But we still think of the rise of the developing countries and the relative decline of the developed nations in almost exclusively economic terms. China's rise is seen as having momentous economic implications but being of little political and cultural consequence. This is a profound mistake.

In the past - Britain and the US being obvious cases in point - the economic rise of a country has always been the prelude to the exercise of much wider political and cultural influence. So why should China be different?

The only plausible reason that I can think of is the hubristic belief that our ways of doing things are so superior that other countries will automatically adopt our arrangements, values and belief systems. It is based on the absurd assumption that China's modernity will not be deeply shaped by its own long and rich history and culture.

Let me give a few examples of how China will remain very different from the West. The nation state, a product of the European tradition, has become the primary defining entity of nations. The problem is that China is not really a nation state: it may have called itself one over the past century, but for the previous two millennia it was a civilisation state. For China, the nation state is the top soil and the civilisation state the geological formation.

The Chinese do not think of themselves in terms of nation but civilisation; it is the latter that gives them their sense of identity.

Although we tend to think of China in somewhat homogeneous terms, it is a continent that contains great diversity; and to govern a continent requires a plurality of systems that a nation state would never tolerate. The maxim of a nation state is “one nation, one system”; that of a civilisation state is, of necessity, “one country, several systems”.

Think back to the constitutional formula that underpinned the handover of Hong Kong: “one country, two systems”. Despite Western scepticism, the Chinese really meant it, as the Hong Kong of today clearly illustrates.

Now imagine what it might be like to have a civilisation state, rather than a nation state, as the world's dominant power: the consequences are bound to be very far-reaching but very difficult to conceive because of its unfamiliarity.

Or take the tributary state system, which organised interstate relations in East Asia for thousands of years. It was a loose and flexible system of states that was organised around the dominance of China, the acceptance of the latter's cultural superiority, and a symbolic tribute that was paid in return for the protection of the Chinese emperor. That system lasted until about 1900.

The deeply rooted attitudes that informed the tributary system have never really gone away, either on the part of the Chinese or others. Furthermore, the conditions that swept it away - the decline of China and the arrival of European colonialism (and the subsequent influence of the United States) - have disappeared or, in the case of America, is waning.

We are now witnessing the rapid reconfiguration of the region around a resurgent China. It is entirely plausible that we might once again see the return, in a modern context, of some elements of the tributary state system, thereby challenging the global dominance of that European invention (the Westphalian system) of sovereign, independent nation states.

There are other examples of how China will remain very different from the Western norms that we are so familiar with: unlike in Europe, the state has never had its powers curbed by competitors, giving it an unrivalled position at the heart of Chinese society; or its highly distinctive position on race, where about 92 per cent of the population believe that they are of one race; and the lack of a conception of, or respect for, difference that flows from this.

The rise of China will transform a world that presently conforms to a Western template. It will not happen quickly; not least because the Chinese are, for now, too preoccupied with economic growth and escaping from poverty to entertain such questions. But in time that will change as the country becomes more prosperous and people can afford to raise their sights and entertain other ambitions. In the 19th century, Europe left a profound and indelible impression on the world, marking the birth of the Western(-made) world. That era is now in retreat.

The rise of China signals the slow dawning of a very different era in which Chinese influence will become profound.

The renminbi will replace the dollar as the world's dominant currency. The international financial system will be remade in China's financial centre, Shanghai. Mandarin, already spoken by twice as many people as English, will become a lingua franca just like English is now.

The great landmarks of Chinese history - the voyages of Zheng He, the formation of the Qin dynasty, the inventions of the Song dynasty, the 1949 revolution - will become universally familiar.

Confucius will take his place as a philosopher of global, not just Chinese, signficance. Chinese film, already popular in the West through movies such as Hero and Curse of the Golden Flower will exercise a growing influence on the popular imagination. Beijing, rather than New York, will be the global reference point. Chinese traditional medicine, based on principles very different from Western, will become widespread across the globe.

Our children and grandchildren will grow up in a world that is increasingly unfamiliar to us, where the old Western furniture can no longer be taken for granted. For the first time for more than two centuries Westerners will be obliged to adapt to and learn from other cultures in a quite novel way. It will be a highly disorientating and disconcerting process.

Martin Jacques is author of When China Rules the World: the Rise of the Middle Kingdom and the End of the Western World (Allen Lane £30)

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Skratu wrote:Have you guys read this article? Quite interesting.
http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2 ... over_tibet


Very interesting take indeed.

Surging border tensions may be related to worries in Beijing over the Dalai Lama's succession. Some of the holiest sites in Tibetan Buddhism, including the sacred monastery at Tawang, are in Indian-held territory. The Dalai Lama, who has been in poor health, has said that he would not feel obligated to nominate a successor from, or be reborn in, Tibet proper, raising the possibility that the next Dalai Lama could be named outside China -- in the Tibetan cultural belt that stretches across northern India into Bhutan and Nepal.

Some Indian strategists fear that China may act to preempt, or respond to, an announcement of the Dalai Lama's chosen successor in India - particularly in Tawang -- by deploying the People's Liberation Army to occupy contested territory along the Sino-Indian border, as occurred in 1962, creating a risk of military conflict between the now nuclear-armed Asian giants.


So a spiritual head could tick off the Chinese to potentially start a war.

What do Sino-Indian border tensions linked to the Tibetan cause mean for the United States?

First, the U.S. has a compelling interest in preventing conflict between one of its largest trading partners and its newfound strategic partner.


Come on, not again. Just when we think we have licked this Paki syndrome, we have another yahoo neighbor doing the same monkey act?

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Postby Rony » 24 Jun 2009 06:40

Skratu wrote:Yeah it was on the Indian Naval discussion board, found the link:


Thanks Skratu.That was very informative.

Philip wrote:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 564974.ece
Currency, culture, Confucius: China's writ will run across the world


I humbly disagree with the content of the British article.If History is taken as a precedence as the author does, then it wont be China, but India that would dominate the future.This is nothing to do with being pro-Indian or anti-Chinese, but strictly by using the same yardstick which the author is using which is historical precedence.Strictly speaking,china's influence never reached beyond East Asia and even its limited influence in south east asia is nothing comparable to the historical Indian influence there.On the other hand, India's influence reached beyond Indian Subcontinent ('South Asia' in Anglo-American terms).Entire South East Asia including what is now called 'Indo-China' was called 'Greater India' for centuries.The Chinese never militarily penetrated any terrorities beyond Manchuria in the east and Xinjjiang in the west.In other words, today's china's borders (which was a gift of non-Han manchus who united the nation with current borders)are the greatest extent to which any chinese empire penetrated.On the other hand, Historical India was far larger and far powerful than historical china.Economically in the last 2000 years, Historical India was the World's largest economy for 1600 years, historical china mearly for 200 years.Militarily, Indian Empires in different time periods penetrated as far as Persia in the west during mauryan times and Indonesia-Malyasia in the east during the chola times.And Zheng He 's 'voyages' of attacking small coastal areas are nothing compared to the Chola's 'invasion's' of huge established empire and Kingdoms.In terms of ideas and culture, historical china itself is a recipient of historical India's superior idea's and culture.If you take historical precedence as yard stick, from every angle it will be India that would be dominant in Asia once again in the long term, not china IMVHO.

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Postby NRao » 24 Jun 2009 07:11

sunilUpa wrote:Hmmm Two editorials about Indo-China and Arunachal Pradesh..

The China-India Border Brawl

China-India Relations: An Unresolved Border and 60,000 Troops Deployed


Anthony went to Arunachal Pradesh and made a statement in 2008 that India is far behind China WRT infrastructure on the border - China does nothing. MMS went there and said AP is Indian - China lodges a complain with Indian Amby, fair enough. India wants to move 50-60K troops to Assam + four MKIs (with intent to build to 18) and a Chinese vein bursts.

It is this Chinese editorial that has caught the attention of these guys in the West. Nothing that India did so far or what China did WRT infrastructure build up in Tibet (including nuke missiles) really matter to these editorialists in the West.

And, when Holbrook is out of a job soon, he can be made a special envoy for AP.

While MoD is improving infrastructure in AP, they should also build at least one if not two all-weather roads in Kashmir.

The Chinese are full of sound. No bite. Certainly not till they have sewn up their SLOC.

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Postby Vishal_Bhatia » 24 Jun 2009 08:28

NRao wrote:The Chinese are full of sound. No bite.


Spot on Sir... Wonder why we at BRF hype the paper-dragon so much.

As a side note... one of my friend's went to Laddakh and was able to talk to the soldiers posted there. Heck, she also visited the LAC. She asked the troops there whether they were afraid of going to war with China or what they thought of the Chinese army. The responses that she got did make her day very wonderful. The troops said the same thing that you did... "they are all show and no go."

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Re: India-China News and Discussions

Postby shiv » 24 Jun 2009 21:50

Cross post:
brihaspati wrote: The reason they moved quickly just now (apart from political considerations I mentioned) wrt to Maoists and send troops to the far NE in a overt move to counter PRC tactics.



I have a couple of friends whose words and analyses I trust. Both have told me that they believe China's economy in in deep doodoo. One also tells me that the PLA chief has allegedly advised (or criticized) the government in Beijing - but added that it is impossible to pinpoint the authenticity of articles that appear. I have not seen the article in question.

If China were to get into trouble - would the PLA act in concert with (or without consulting) the government in order to divert attention away from internal strife?

Any thoughts? Insights anyone?

The impression I get is that the US and China will be in doodoo together because of China's holdings.

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Re: India-China News and Discussions

Postby Yogi_G » 24 Jun 2009 22:11

Rony wrote:I humbly disagree with the content of the British article.If History is taken as a precedence as the author does, then it wont be China, but India that would dominate the future.This is nothing to do with being pro-Indian or anti-Chinese, but strictly by using the same yardstick which the author is using which is historical precedence.Strictly speaking,china's influence never reached beyond East Asia and even its limited influence in south east asia is nothing comparable to the historical Indian influence there.On the other hand, India's influence reached beyond Indian Subcontinent ('South Asia' in Anglo-American terms).Entire South East Asia including what is now called 'Indo-China' was called 'Greater India' for centuries.The Chinese never militarily penetrated any terrorities beyond Manchuria in the east and Xinjjiang in the west.In other words, today's china's borders (which was a gift of non-Han manchus who united the nation with current borders)are the greatest extent to which any chinese empire penetrated.On the other hand, Historical India was far larger and far powerful than historical china.Economically in the last 2000 years, Historical India was the World's largest economy for 1600 years, historical china mearly for 200 years.Militarily, Indian Empires in different time periods penetrated as far as Persia in the west during mauryan times and Indonesia-Malyasia in the east during the chola times.And Zheng He 's 'voyages' of attacking small coastal areas are nothing compared to the Chola's 'invasion's' of huge established empire and Kingdoms.In terms of ideas and culture, historical china itself is a recipient of historical India's superior idea's and culture.If you take historical precedence as yard stick, from every angle it will be India that would be dominant in Asia once again in the long term, not china IMVHO.


Lot of good information there Rony, thanks, made for a good reading...

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Re: India-China News and Discussions

Postby sanjaykumar » 24 Jun 2009 22:47

This is what needs to be kept under wraps until India has a $trillion defence establishment. No need for the fox to alarm the chickens.

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Re: India-China News and Discussions

Postby Katare » 24 Jun 2009 23:21

In 62 they have attacked, won and occupied NE and than gave it back to India. The million dollar question is why would they attack, try to win and hold on to that area now when they didn't/couldn't do that In 62?

Obviously it would be a lot more difficult for China to forcibly occupy Arunachal Pradesh now, than it was in 1962.

What changes?

What is the motive?


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