Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby archan » 07 Jul 2009 17:28

link to previous thread

The following links are background articles on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/archive/nayyar_report.htm

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

http://www.boycott-pakistan.com/
This is a list of Pakistani businesses that may be aiding and funding terror against India and other countries.

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

Nuclear Enabler - Pakistan today is the most dangerous place on Earth by Jim Hoagland
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Oct24.html
http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

Commentary: The real culprit of 9/11?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi-brea ... -9906r.htm
http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.saag.org/papers19/paper1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

Essential videos on Pakistan actively supports the Taliban - Files are WMV
http://hosted.filefront.com/C0pyLeft/1870150

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Pranay » 07 Jul 2009 17:45

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/07 ... ?ref=world

The screws are slowly being tightened on Bait-Ullah Mehsud...

ISLAMABAD (AP) -- Suspected U.S. missiles and Pakistani fighter jets attacked followers of a notorious militant leader close to the Afghan border Tuesday, but the army complained the American strikes were hurting its campaign against the country's public enemy No. 1.

Between 12 and 14 militants were killed when two missiles hit a training camp run by Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan tribal region, intelligence officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to media. The missiles were believed fired by American drones.

Five foreigners were among the dead, but their nationalities were not known, the officials said. Top Arab leaders of the al-Qaida terror network are believed to be hiding in the region, as well as scores of militants from nearby countries such as Afghanistan and Uzbekistan.

Mehsud was not among the victims of the strike, the fourth in the space of two weeks targeting him or his followers.

Hours after the strikes, Pakistani war planes bombed militants positions around 25 miles (40 kilometers) away, the army said. Casualties in those strikes were unknown.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 07 Jul 2009 17:47

Propping up Sufism against the Taliban will not work
IF pre-military operation Swat has a global counterpart, it’s Somalia. Exchange the Taliban for Al-Shabab, a radical Islamic group, and events in the unstable African country will seem eerily familiar to Pakistanis.

In recent months, Shabab militants have killed government ministers, beheaded innocents, attacked Sufi imams, arrested shrine caretakers and destroyed Sufi shrines across southern Somalia. The group’s activities are sanctioned by Sharia courts under Shabab’s influence. (Interestingly, these courts sprang up in Somalia about a decade ago to promote law and order in a stateless society with no efficient judicial system — sound familiar?) Shabab first emerged as the militant wing of the Islamic Courts Union, which used to control Somalia. After 2006, the extremist group launched an insurgency against Somalia’s transitional government and the Ethiopian forces that were stationed around Mogadishu to help preserve the weak government’s writ until January this year. Since 2007, Shabab has claimed links with Al Qaeda and, fuelled by foreign support, recently adopted an expansionist agenda: militants have swept central and southern Somalia recruiting fighters and striking deals with tribal clan leaders to establish Shabab’s control across the country.

Indeed, the similarities between Pakistan’s northwest and Somalia are so intense that, as military operations in Swat and Fata gained intensity, dozens of Al Qaeda fighters fled the tribal belt and relocated to Somalia. There, they will join the ranks of Shabab, which is currently recruiting hundreds of foreign ‘jihadis’ in an effort to topple the six-month-old moderate Islamic government of President Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed.

Given the parallels, it would be worthwhile for the Pakistan government to analyse developments in Somalia to make more informed decisions about how to eradicate militancy from within our borders in the long term. This process could begin with a close look at the role Sufism is playing in the weak Somali state’s struggle for survival.

As is the case with Pakistan, the West is banking on the devotees of Sufi saints — who comprise the majority of Somali Muslims, enjoy grassroots support and unite people across tribal factions — to push back against Shabab. US-based think tanks like Rand and the Heritage Foundation are counting on the Sufi message of love to counter Shabab’s ever-brutal violence, for tolerance to stem hatred and for music and dancing to triumph over coercion.

But that’s not how things are playing out in Somalia.

In December 2008, Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jama, an umbrella group of previously peaceful Sufis with loose allegiances to Mogadishu, took up arms against Shabab militants and drove them out of the central Dusa Marreb region. Several gun battles for control of central Somalia — where Sufis are predominant — have ensued, leading to the death of at least one senior Shabab commander. By resorting to violence, Somali Sufis have maintained control of their territory. In fact, Sufi militias are the only force to have confronted Shabab and won.

The clash between Sufis and Wahabi-influenced extremists of Shabab is unprecedented in Somalia. The country has always witnessed clan warfare, which is usually limited to two tribes. The Sufi-Shabab showdowns, which have explicit ideological and sectarian proportions, mark a new era in African instability. Since religious sects provide a banner under which different tribes can unite, religious warfare in Somalia threatens to be widespread, extended and bloody. The fact that Somali Sufis resorted to violence should give Pakistan pause to think. After all, a protracted war between Sufi devotees and extremists is no better than the battle between the military and militants or lashkars and Taliban recruits. And yet, that could be Pakistan’s future if active steps are not taken to prevent it.

Consider two separate incidents: in February, the provincial government in the NWFP announced a $40m fund to provide arms to anti-Taliban villagers. The idea was to equip an elite force with weapons seized from militants so that villagers could tackle the Taliban on the latter’s terms. The decision was criticised for further weaponising an arms-ridden part of the country and casting Pakistan’s fight against the Taliban as a do-or-die battle, rather than a long-term attempt to alter mindsets through education and provide alternatives to careers in militancy by creating jobs.

Separately, in June, the government announced the formation of a seven-member Sufi Advisory Council (SAC), which will aim to counter extremism by spreading Sufism instead. This move, too, was criticised. Not only does the council’s existence suggest that one version of Islam is preferred in Pakistan over others, but it casts the fight against terrorism as a religious war, rather than a democratic government’s crackdown against those operating beyond the law and undermining the constitution.{The Foreign Miniser Quereshi said Berelvis will take up arms and fight the Taliban}

Now put the two together. If, in the coming months, armed Sufi adherents — emboldened by the rhetoric of the SAC — take up arms against remnants of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan in the Frontier province, our country will boast yet another similarity to Somalia — and that can never be a good thing.

The fact is, both Pakistan and Somalia should realise that propping up Sufism as a counter to spreading militancy is a dangerous gamble. It breeds a culture of coercion, in which one interpretation of Islam is imposed on all citizens. Moreover, deepening the spiral of religious warfare will only result in years more of bloodshed and instability.

True democracies are invested in promoting the freedom to practise whichever religion, and however, a person chooses. Learning from Somalia, Pakistan should be making every effort to minimise the space given to religion in the public sphere.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby shiv » 07 Jul 2009 18:08

raghunath wrote:This is an interview of Taariq Ali who wrote the book 'The Duel:Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power". Here he exposes the Pakistani history, non-identity, its corrupt leaders etc and American perfidy in all of this. Nice watch.



Watching this 57 minute video - which has a lot of BRF gyan as well as some extra stuff set off a whole lot of thoughts:

As per Tariq Ali, here are the motivations of various players (my take on one viewing of the video)

  • Pakistan: The army and elite do not give a damn about people. Their business is making money. They love American money and arms, but they do not want the US to do what it is doing. They wanted Afghanistan as "strategic depth" and the US put an end to that. They wanted trained jihadis are their fighting arm, and the US is putting a brake on that. The US attacking people inside Pakistan is causing great trouble because they cannot oppose the US even as they claim to stand for Islamic jihad.
  • The US: According to Tariq Ali. the US is in the region only as a strategic part of the great game. The US does not really give a damn about Pakistani people or democracy, and will do only what suits its power needs. The US wants bases in the region to keep a check on China. The US will do whatever it takes to keep those bases. It is bribing and whipping the Paki army to do its bidding. But the US does no seem to acknowledge that its policy regarding the Pakistan army is contradictory. The US is paying the Paki army to fight its own people against popular will in Pakisan, and is probably gradually eroding the power of the Paki army even while propping it up.
  • China: According to Tariq Ali - China does not like the US presence in the region but is keeping its cards close to its chest.
  • The Taliban: (acc to Ali) - they are at least partially a force of Pashtun nationalism. They do not want the US there and for them it is almost a fight for independence. Any support that th Pakistan army gives to the US will make sure that they extract revenge over time.
  • India: India hardly figures in the picture except for a stray statement from the anchor - Harry wotsit who states (in a possible Freudian slip) that "India IS a threat to Pakistan". Tariq Ali does well to correct him by saying 'That is the perception"
  • Tariq Ali is good (IMO) but varyingly ends up saying "we" when he means Pakistan on some occasions. A possible Freudian slip again. Or honesty.

In short, unless the US moves out and stops attacking the Taliban, the Pashtuns are not going to be happy and Pakistan is going to be put under serious stress. Pakistanis would love the US to move out but continue to give them money and demand nothing from them. But the US is not moving out and is paying the Pakistan army to support the US and is also on the verge of directly attacking Pakistan.

To me this is delicious. If Pathans are 20% of the Pakistan army, we are going to see a Paki army versus army scenario. That is why Assphuck Kiyani seems so quiet. 26/11 may have been a bold stroke to unite everyone in Pakistan and throw US plans off balance. It was in the post 26/11 period that Gen Humid Goo-l boasted on PakTV that Mehsud, Fazlullah and others would fight side by side with the Pakistan army against India. That boast is coming to naught as the Packee army is making statements that it will take out these guys - even as the US is hitting those guys with Predator djinns.

Remains to be seen how far the Taliban melt away into camps and mountains to regroup and start a long term war. But Tariq Ali makes the point that the US will talk to anyone as long as they get what they want - even the Taliban.

It seems to me that the surest way out of this mess is Pakhtoonistan. It is only when you want Pakistan intact that there are all these problems. Once you break Pakistan and make Pakhtoonistan/Pakhtoonwa - some of the problems will melt away.

Why is nobody talking about that? How could things get any worse with the formation of Pakhtoonwa?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby kenop » 07 Jul 2009 18:26

If, in the coming months, armed Sufi adherents — emboldened by the rhetoric of the SAC — take up arms against remnants of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan in the Frontier province, our country will boast yet another similarity to Somalia — and that can never be a good thing.


Armed conflict seems a natural corollary to everything in the thinkng proces. I wonder if the ground-work for the next installment of aid is being laid now. A couple of billion $ can last only so long.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Dipanker » 07 Jul 2009 18:28

Pashtunistan is against Pakjabi TSPA/RAPE interest as the free moolah from Amirkhan will stop flowing.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby ramana » 07 Jul 2009 21:02

Shiv, Eastern Pakhtunistan should comprise of NWFP and appurtnent areas in Punjab, Balochistan which were detached from NWFP.

Western fears are that Pakhtunistan could cause ripple effect in Afghanistan.

The creation of Macedonia in Balkans from the ashes of Yugoslavia did not raise separatist tendencies in Greece which also has a provinve of same name.

To allow the creation it would require turning the Great Game on its head. Maybe divert it towards PRC by creating East Turkestan aka Uigherstan?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Avinash R » 07 Jul 2009 21:37

Good change from self destructive "do nothing" policy. First it was terrorists, then fake notes, then drugs and now attack on civilians, now is the time to speak to them in the language the purelander understand and protect our citizens.

Pak rocket attack: BSF says option for retaliation open
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 746820.cms

DHANDAE/BHAIRWAL: Angry BSF officers who inspected Dhandae and Bhairwal, the two villages in Punjab near the international border at Attari that saw rockets fired from Pakistan territory land in its fields, leaving deep craters, said on Monday that the option of retaliation was always open.

‘‘BSF can always retaliate, but we would not like to escalate the situation just like that,’’ said M L Kumawat, DG, BSF, as he looked at the holes made by the missiles, apparently launched by an as yet unnamed Pakistan terror group. ‘‘In case it (the rockets) came from a particular direction, we too can’t be silent spectators. We can take action and we will take action in case there is something to it.’’

But even as the BSF’s anxiety and discomfiture was plainly visible, officers said exercising restraint too was important and they would not want the situation to escalate. ‘‘We will have to at least wait till the time Pakistan gives its report on the incident before doing anything,’’ Kumawat said, adding Islamabad had denied any hand in the incident.

‘‘Now that Pakistani authorities have maintained they had nothing to do with it, we will wait for them to take action and, in case they don’t do anything about it, we will think of a suitable action by us. Pakistan has been told to investigate the matter and asked to take adequate steps so that such incidents dont happen in future,’’ the BSF’s top officer said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Raja Ram » 07 Jul 2009 21:50

ramana,
Not many people realise that China needs Pakistan, not just as their Israel and check on India. China needs Pakistan united and as a friend so that Uyghurs are kept under their heel. That is because the outside world is not aware, nor does the West support, the Uyghurs. The Uyghurs have far less in common with the Chinese than the Tibetans.

It has been more restive a region than Tibet has been for China and there has been a great amount of blood spilt. Keeping Pakistan on their side is vital to China to deny Uyghurs a base to fall back on.

A broken up Pakistan would provide an impeteus to Uyghurs and the Chinese know it. This is one of the key reasons why China backs Pakistan.

The Uyghurs have in the past reached out to India but were ignored. Years ago, I read couple of books by Satyendra Sinha who was one of the MPs in Nehurivian era. He had toured the region and reported extensively on it. He was one of the first to warn the Indian government on Chinese designs in Tibet. He was ridculed then. He had written two books on China. Both of which I stumbled on in a public library in Hong Kong :D

I would say like the Kurds, tihs is one race that has been dealt a pretty bad hand by history.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Prem » 07 Jul 2009 22:10

Raja Ram wrote:ramana,

The Uyghurs have in the past reached out to India but were ignored. Years ago, I read couple of books by Satyendra Sinha who was one of the MPs in Nehurivian era. He had toured the region and reported extensively on it. He was one of the first to warn the Indian government on Chinese designs in Tibet. He was ridculed then. He had written two books on China. Both of which I stumbled on in a public library in Hong Kong :D
I would say like the Kurds, tihs is one race that has been dealt a pretty bad hand by history.


One of the Uyghir leaders live right here near D.C and Chinese are blaming him for the violence. If US is involved and eccoraging Uyghirs then their interests converge with India to break up Paksatan and divert the game toward Hansatan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Lalmohan » 07 Jul 2009 22:23

^^^ was wondering about this. could be a shot across dragon's bows to stop maintaining the jehadi supply chain. a little reminder that just as pakistan is riding a tiger, so is the PRC

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Rahul Shukla » 07 Jul 2009 22:24

At Least 16 Killed in Reported Drone Strike in Pakistan (NY Times)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Two missiles, believed to be from a remotely piloted aircraft, struck a militant base Tuesday in the South Waziristan tribal region, according to intelligence officials and residents reached by telephone. At least 16 people, including 3 foreigners, were reported killed.

An intelligence official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said three Uzbek militants were killed along with 13 local Taliban militants.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby RajeshA » 07 Jul 2009 23:14

ramana wrote:The creation of Macedonia in Balkans from the ashes of Yugoslavia did not raise separatist tendencies in Greece which also has a provinve of same name.

Macedonia may be perhaps not a suitable analogy. Even though the former Republic of Macedonia and Greek Province Macedonia share the same name, geographical proximity and perhaps some ancient history, they have very little else in common. In former Republic of Macedonia people are mostly Slavs, while the Greek Macedonians speak Greek. Moreover the Slavs in the Balkans mostly follow Russian Orthodox while the Greeks have their own Orthodox Church. There is little feeling of commonality between the two Macedonias despite Greece's paranoia.

In the case of Pushtun areas in Afghanistan and Pakistan, there are too many bonds.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby ramana » 08 Jul 2009 02:13

OK.

No IED Mubarrak this hafta?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby anupmisra » 08 Jul 2009 02:30

ramana wrote:OK. No IED Mubarrak this hafta?


OK, this is not the same as IED mubarak but has the same entertainment value:

Wedding party stoned!

High-tension wire falls, protest erupts in Korangi

At the time of collapse, a wedding ceremony was underway, which turned violent and the angry protesters took resort to pelting stones on Kornagi Grid Station. The protesters lit fire in front of Kornagi Grid Station. A KESC vehicle turned up there to set right the snapped wire; however, the protesters pelted them with stones and forced them to leave the scene without fixing the problem.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Prem » 08 Jul 2009 04:03

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... es-again/1
Bruce Riedel strikes again
Shri Mati Hali


Pakis now are fond of Kaffir Euripides, known for some real " naughty" acts in public.
Let me borrow from Euripides (480-406 BC), the Greek playwright whom Aristotle called the most tragic of the
Greek poets, who said: "Whom the Gods destroy, they first make mad.
He then depicts a doomsday scenario of the terror unleashed by the use of nuclear weapons,
with Israel "coming into the Emirates crosshairs as a major target." He warns that since Pakistan does not have
delivery systems capable of its nuclear weapons reaching America, it could certainly destroy cities and bases in
Afghanistan, India, the Gulf States and, if smuggled out ahead of time, perhaps the US.
The remainder of the Robert Ludlum/Frederick Forsyth/Heather Graham/Brad Thor style thriller is dedicated to
recommending actions by USA to preempt/deal with such a grim situation. He rules out engagement as nearly
impossible under the plea that "Islamabad would have no faith and little interest in any dialogue with Crusaders
and Zionists." The options recommended are far-fetched and harsh ranging from regime change by a coup or
naval blockade to outright invasion

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Prem » 08 Jul 2009 04:14

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=186945
Ties with India
Duffar Hila Le

From his vantage point Musharraf discovered that the doctrine of "irreducible self-defence" would nevertheless require expenditure on a scale far beyond our capacity to afford and prosper. He, therefore, decided sensibly that he could no longer hold Pakistan's security or well being in hock to Kashmir; nor did he want to fight for Kashmir to the last Pakistani. Keeping Pakistan intact and its other enemies at bay, he must have mused, was a daunting enough task. But being the impatient commando that he was, and never outgrew, Musharraf shot himself in the foot politically and departed before anything concrete was achieved. ( simply, Begging wont make Paki equal to India)
Settling India-Pakistan disputes is not a matter of one side triumphing over the other, but of finding a way by which Pakistan and India can live in peace and cooperation. Besides, permanent slavery is not a fate that Pakistan can ordain for Kashmiris; or permanent confrontation leading eventually and inevitably to war with India a condition that Kashmiris can demand of us. In the final analysis each is the master of his own fate.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Gerard » 08 Jul 2009 04:38

The Foreign Office is in turmoil. A bureaucrat presently heading the livestock department of a province and a generalist who, by some accounts, is hard put to tell the difference between a donkey, a mule and a horse is to be our ambassador in Paris. He will no doubt prove equally unable to distinguish between a Note Verbale and a Demarche. The appointment of this diplomatically unlettered individual follows that of, inter alia, a policeman to Libya, a bank teller to Iran, a gourmet/bon vivant/raconteur to New York. Furthermore as many as six non-professionals have been appointed ambassadors "at large" but who are actually "at sea" because they have no clue what they are supposed to do. All this has had a devastating impact on service morale. There is talk of the Foreign Office downing tools, an unheard of proposition.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Prem » 08 Jul 2009 04:41

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=186941

America's nuclear games
She Male Mazari
So a new and threatening pattern is emerging even as Obama seeks to woo the world with what is now becoming his glibness rather than a serious intent to alter the course of US policies on security issues. Is it a mere coincidence that we are now seeing unprecedented violence breaking out in the Xinjiang capital of Urumqi? We know that the East Turkmenistan Movement still has its offices in New York. So what is the US intent? To send a hostile message to China? What exactly is the Obama administration up to? Is it all a matter of old wine in new bottles rather than any major shift away from a neoimperialist mindset that has been the hallmark of US global policies for some time now?

Too bad. So many had expected so much from Obama – the thinking, intelligent and more world-sensitive US president. But what we are seeing around our part of the world is more of the same – with the new veneer eroding fast. More force; more aggression; more dictation. Just as our leaders crumble once again before the US demands, the US leadership offers little that will compel us to alter our perception of a neoimperial power set on a military-centric course for this part of the world. As before, this course will bring them to ruin but must we go down the same suicidal path?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 08 Jul 2009 05:00

Appeal against Hafeez Saeed in the Supreme Court
The two officials will report back to their Prime Ministers, who will “take stock” at their meeting, and India may well decide that the appeals in the Supreme Court have cleared the air enough for renewed re-engagement. :evil:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby r_subramanian » 08 Jul 2009 05:29

Could someone knowledgeable about Karachi's ethnic neighbourhoods please enlighten about what is going on?

Kati-Pahari interchange wall may spark ethnic violence

A spate of violence may erupt in the coming weeks at Kati-Pahari in te Shahrah-e-Noor Jehan police limits, because the National Highway Authority (NHA) in coordination with City District Government Karachi (CDGK) is constructing a wall on one side of the Kati-Pahari interchange between Orangi and North Nazimabad towns.
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“The Kati Pahari area is a volatile area and any operation rendering economic or social effects can cause ethnic tension in the area. Howsoever pure and genuine the extension be in favour of the people of the area and for the development of the area, the attempt shall backfire if the stakeholders are not taken on board. Therefore, it is recommended that all stakeholders of the area be taken on board for a more fruitful activity in smooth manner.

“Hence the proposed wall is largely effecting Pakhtoon population and, therefore, the said community be taken on board. Intelligence reports received at this office through reliable sources suggested that the action by town administration of city government might be ill-conceived, as the wall and its builders shall be under constant threat. It is, therefore, urged that a political solution be sought in this regard.
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The SP stated that North Nazimabad and Orangi happen to be very sensitive towns and if violence sparks from this issue it will instantly affect New Karachi Town and the rest of Karachi as well.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/print1.asp?id=186590

Wall dispute triggers violence at Kati Pahari

Violence was reported at Kati Pahari on Shahrah-e-Noor Jehan on Tuesday afternoon owing to the construction of a safety wall on one side of the Kati Pahari interchange. Despite warning by the SP North Nazimabad Town regarding the eruption of clashes, the town administration and other departments concerned went ahead with their plan to construct the wall that finally stirred violence.

It may be noted here that several meetings were going on between the law enforcers, town Nazims and other concerned quarters for the past several weeks, however, the National Highway Authority and City District Government of Karachi decided to construct a wall on one side of the interchange that led to the closure of four lanes entering into the Shahrah-e-Noor Jehan.

Interestingly, no wall is being constructed on the other side of the North Nazimabad and Orangi Town interchange due to which anger prevailed among certain segment of the area residents. The affected area residents had earlier threatened to block the construction of the wall on their side of the area.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=186984

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

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This is the original article.

[url=http://www.jamestown.org/programs/gta/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=35221&tx_ttnews[backPid]=26&cHash=8d6096dc98]Lashkar-e-Taiba’s Financial Network Targets India from the Gulf States[/url]

Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 7 Issue: 19
July 2, 2009 04:12 PM Age: 5 days
Category: Terrorism Monitor, Global Terrorism Analysis, Home Page, Terrorism, South Asia
By: Animesh Roul

An impending threat from the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorist group has prompted security establishments to raise an alert along India’s western sea-coast. According to intelligence sources, the LeT’s marine wing is planning a Mumbai-type incursion to target vital installations in the three coastal states of Gujarat, Maharashtra and Goa. The group is also reported to have funneled huge amounts of money from its Gulf-based networks to fund jihad activities in India (Times of India, June 30). This is not an isolated intelligence alert. The threat emanating from the LeT was partially revealed following the recent arrest of Muhammad Omar Madni, a close associate of LeT/Jamaat-ud- Dawa chief Hafeez Muhammad Saeed. The arrest and interrogation of Madni revealed several startling details, including new routes used by terrorists, the location of bases inside and outside India, terrorist finances, and the recruitment strategy of Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Muhammad Omar Madni, who also oversees LeT’s Nepal operations, was on a mission to recruit youths and send them to Pakistan for training. Madni travelled widely through Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and the Gulf nations, including Saudi Arabia, seeking funding and logistical support. His task was to recruit educated and computer-savvy youths from the major metropolises of India (Press Trust of India, June 7). Indian agencies believe he is not the only LeT recruiter in the sprawling hinterland of India (Statesman, [Kolkata], June 5). Madni’s brother Hafiz Muhammad Zubair, another Lashkar operative who worked closely with him, is presently based in Qatar (Telegraph [Kolkata], June 6).

Besides the usual routes of intrusion in Jammu and Kashmir, LeT has managed to build alternate routes through the porous borders of Nepal and Bangladesh while establishing bases in the Gulf countries. Investigating agencies have now confirmed that LeT is working on a new strategy which involves using Dubai as the center of planning for future strikes against India (India Today, June 22). Past and ongoing terror investigations suggest the Gulf countries have been the major hubs for LeT terrorists and many terrorist plots against India are now hatched outside Pakistan’s territory.

After groping in the dark for some time, India’s intelligence agencies have now confirmed that the Gulf link to terror in India is thriving and there are LeT cells operating in the Gulf that have financed and facilitated terrorist operations in India.

Mumbai’s crime branch probe revealed that the November 2008 Mumbai terror events were financed by LeT’s Gulf cells and Gulf-based operatives masterminded and executed a series of blasts in Indian urban centers ( Bangalore, Ahmadabad, Delhi and Surat) in 2008. These operations were carried out in collusion with militants of the Indian Mujahedeen (IM) and the proscribed Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI).

While investigating the August 2003 twin blasts in Mumbai (car bombs at the Gateway of India and the Zaveri Bazaar), Mumbai Police unearthed a strong Dubai link. The plot was hatched by LeT’s Dubai operatives, who colluded with sleeper cells in Hyderabad, Ernakulum and Chennai. The blasts were claimed by an unknown group—the “Gujarat Muslim Revenge Force” (GMRF)—one of the many groups set up by SIMI and LeT following the 2002 Gujarat communal riots to avenge atrocities perpetrated against the Muslim community (Press Trust of India, October 10, 2003). Hanif, one of the Lashkar militants arrested in connection with the blasts, reportedly told police about the planning, logistics and targets of the LeT’s GMRF wing. Since 1993, Hanif worked in Dubai as an electrician and was sent to Mumbai in September 2002 to organize and execute the attacks. Police also interrogated Hanif about his ties to Basheer, a fugitive SIMI figure who fled to Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and one Abu Hamza, affiliated to Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) (Frontline [Chennai], September 13-26, 2003).

Another major example of Lashkar’s Gulf connections arose in mid-2006, following the serial commuter train blasts in Mumbai. Mumbai’s Anti-Terrorist Squad seized approximately 37,000 Saudi Riyals from the residences of the LeT’s Mumbai cell chief, Faizal Ataur Rehman Sheikh (Indian Express, August 2, 2006). The money reportedly came in two installments from Saudi Arabia via the hawala network operated by Faizal’s London-based brother Rahil Sheikh and another Lashkar operative identified as Rizwan Ahmed Davre, an IT professional based in Riyadh. [1] Rizwan acted as a conduit between the unidentified Saudi funder, Pakistan based LeT commander Azam Cheema and Faizal Sheikh. Cheema reportedly designated Davre the ‘amir-e-baitulmaal’ (chief exchequer) for his able handling of monetary transactions (Indian Express, October 1, 2006)

Investigations by India’s intelligence agencies into the 2008 urban terrorist attacks uncovered ties to many Gulf hotspots, especially the financial networks in Muscat (Oman). At least four LeT operatives handled India operations from Gulf cities like Muscat and Sharjah. They are identified as Wali (a.k.a Shameem), Muslim Basheer, Sarfaraz Nawaz (a.k.a Hakeem Sarfoor) and Abu Haroon. These four are believed to be of Pakistani origin and to have been deputed in the Gulf to raise funds and monitor operations planned for India. While Wali was involved in fundraising activities and responsible for coordinating with SIMI and IM militants in India, Muslim Basheer, based in Muscat, was the chief coordinator for the LeT in the Gulf. Funds for the terrorist operations were raised by Wali, who provided the money for the blasts and who sent youths from the southwestern state of Kerala to Pakistan Administered Kashmir (PAK) for terrorist training (New Indian Express [Chennai], March 27). Investigating agencies identified Abu Haroon, a travel agent in Muscat, as the operative who facilitated the movement of money to India from the Gulf region through hawala channels. Abu Haroon also coordinated between the Lashkar leadership in Pakistan and India (Rediff.com, May 27). The fourth terrorist, Sarfaraz Nawaz, another LeT man from Muscat and a former SIMI leader who likely fled to Oman following the countrywide crackdown on SIMI establishments, was brought from Muscat to India in a dramatic secret operation earlier this year by India’s external intelligence agency, Research & Analysis Wing (RAW). The swift operation surprised many Indian officials, especially in the absence of any extradition pact between India and Oman (Rediff.com, March 04, 2009).

Three other terrorists involved in the July 2008 Bangalore serial blasts and other incidents have been identified as Saleem and Jaheed from Bangladesh (hawala operators) and Ali Abdul Azeez Hooti of Oman, the chief terrorist financier.

The Gulf’s increasing ties to terrorism resurfaced when investigations into the November 2008 Mumbai carnage tracked a similar pattern involving Gulf-based financiers and Lashkar coordinators. The role of Aziz Hooti as one of the financers in this connection is currently under probe. Hooti, the Oman based businessman and key Lashkar operative there, was in touch with Lashkar terrorist Fahim Ansari just before late November’s carnage in Mumbai. At present, Fahim Ansari is on trial and Aziz Hooti is in the custody of the Oman police for plotting against Western establishments in Oman. According to the information shared between Oman and Indian police, Aziz Hooti could have had direct ties to the Mumbai attackers. It is now believed in investigating circles that both Aziz Hooti and Nawaz played vital roles in financing terrorist activities in India, especially in providing funds for Indians taking jihadi training in the PAK region (The Hindu, May 28; Rediff.com, May 28).

Nawaz’s interrogation has revealed many facts about Lashkar’s plans in southern India. According to his statement, he and Ummer Haji, an IM cadre and key figure in the terror network in south India, had hatched a plan to carry out serial bomb blasts in Chennai and Bangalore (New Indian Express, June 29). However, Lashkar’s Chennai plot was dropped by Wali due to funding issues. Haji is the man who sent Kerala youths to Muzaffarabad in Kashmir for training. Aziz Hooti was also involved in the Bangalore plan while the terrorist triumvirate (Wali, Nawaz and Hooti) met in Sharjah in early 2008. Nawaz’s statement also sheds some light on Lashkar’s operational strategy in southern India. Bangalore police revealed that Nawaz was in close touch with Abdul Nazar Madhani, leader of the People's Democratic Party (PDP - a left wing Kerala political party) (New Indian Express [Chennai], March 28)

SIMI has operational ties with many militant student groups, including the Saudi Arabian Jamayyatul Ansar (JA), whose membership is comprised of former SIMI activists and expatriate Indian Muslims. It should be emphasized that the LeT and its Jamaat ud-Dawah (JuD) subsidiary were born out of the Ahl-e-Hadith (AH) movement with roots in the Middle East and in the Indian subcontinent. LeT largely draws its ideological inspirations from this transnational Islamic puritanical movement that openly propagates the doctrine of jihad in India. AH has been influential in the subcontinent with active ties to Saudi Wahhabis and strong diaspora links. One of the reasons for this could be the AH inspired student movements (e.g. the Mujahid Students Movement) active in Kerala with branches in Gulf countries, along with Indian Islahi centers in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain and Kuwait. [2]

The beginning of this year was marked by Islamabad's crackdown on the LeT and other Pakistan based terror groups in which LeT came under severe pressure from the Pakistan administration to de-escalate its jihadi agenda against India. Despite the crackdown and the detention and subsequent release of LeT leaders in Pakistan, the LeT is reportedly once again looking to strike India by plotting against its vital installations and infrastructure.

The recent spurt of terror activities by the LeT in India has a direct connection to contributions from the Gulf-based cells that have planned and financed most of the group’s operations. The LeT’s Gulf based networks are becoming the lifeline for LeT/JuD operations in Pakistan and India. With this threat in view, India is now seeking a comprehensive anti-terrorism treaty with the Gulf nations. For now, Madani and Nawaz’s confessions have provided investigating agencies an outline of the shape of things to come regarding the LeT’s plans for terrorist operations in India.

Notes:

1. Hawala is an informal and alternative remittance system which operates outside of 'traditional' banking or financial channels.

2. Indian Islahi centers are Islamic organizations working among Indians (especially Keralites) in the Gulf countries to spread of the true message of Islam and guide Muslims away from the clutches of superstitious traditions, blind faiths, polytheism, etc. Indian Islahi Centers operate in almost all Gulf countries as a subsidiary of the Kerala Nadvathul Mujahedeen. In some Gulf countries and the northern states of India, this organization is known as Salafi Center. All these associations are working for the propagation of Quran and Sunnah among Muslims and non-Muslims.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby r_subramanian » 08 Jul 2009 08:14

It is not just sporting teams that are reluctant to visit pakistan!

Bhasha dam consultant not coming due to security risk
The Water and Power Development Authority (Wapda) is in a state of shock over the multi-billion dollars Diamer Bhasha dam, as a Portuguese consultant firm, LNEC, has refused to land in Pakistan due to security risk, official documents and sources told Business Recorder. The government has earmarked Rs 4 billion in the 2009-10 federal budget for the 4,500 megawatts Diamer Basha dam project.

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and Ministry of Foreign Affairs may have taken up this key issue with the visiting Portuguese Foreign Minister, Luis Amado, during the formal and informal meetings. However, there was no official word on this issue. The consultants have to study digging of rocks which is major work at the project site but this work has been discontinued for the time being, sources said.
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http://www.brecorder.com.pk/index.php?id=933565

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby amit » 08 Jul 2009 08:23

Hi apologies for this OT post.

I'm looking for a link to the Channel 4 documentary on youtube. The first one posted by Gagan got yanked out due to copyright. I picked up another link from the forum yesterday but that also seems to be gone. Does anyone have a permanent link? When it first came out I sent it out to a huge number of non-Indian folks and many have seen the orginal but more importantly there's a lot of requests for the link. I would like to send send it out to as many folks as possible, so all help will be appreciated.

TIA

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby shiv » 08 Jul 2009 08:35

amit wrote:Hi apologies for this OT post.

I'm looking for a link to the Channel 4 documentary on youtube. The first one posted by Gagan got yanked out due to copyright. I picked up another link from the forum yesterday but that also seems to be gone. Does anyone have a permanent link? When it first came out I sent it out to a huge number of non-Indian folks and many have seen the orginal but more importantly there's a lot of requests for the link. I would like to send send it out to as many folks as possible, so all help will be appreciated.

TIA



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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Prem » 08 Jul 2009 09:59

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk\default.asp?page=2009\07\08\story_8-7-2009_pg3_1

NATO gets its supply route from Russia
Will this mean a reduction of Pakistan’s leverage in any way? Islamabad remains important because of the land route it provides for NATO supplies. If there is any reduction it will be bought by the US only at a big financial cost. But far more than that is the developing consensus in the neighbourhood of Pakistan behind the NATO presence in Afghanistan and the success of its mission against terrorism. This development will affect Pakistan’s policy of assistance to this mission conditional to rolling back the Indian encroachment in Afghanistan and resultant interference inside Pakistan. No one at the international level seems to worry about Governor NWFP Owais Ghani’s warning about “dangerous” American activities across the Durand Line.

The summit will disabuse a lot of Pakistani analysts who have been hoping that Russia would defeat America, now that it is stuck in Afghanistan, the same way America had defeated Russia when it was stuck in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The other jolt the development will deliver is to the strategists who think nothing of the regional consensus gelling against Pakistan’s lingering policy of “strategic depth” and its permanent posture of deterring and challenging India. The general feeling in Pakistan is that if the NATO-US forces leave Afghanistan, the power vacuum thus created would be filled by Pakistan. That may be an erroneous conclusion. *

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 08 Jul 2009 10:36

Apologies if this was posted earlier ....
Pakistan releases Sufi Mohammed
The Pakistani government has released the senior-most leader of the pro-Taliban group that was behind the Malakand Accord, the agreement that put the Taliban in control over a wide region of Pakistan’s northwest.

Sufi Mohammed, the leader of the banned pro-Taliban Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammed [TNSM or the Movement for the Enforcement of Mohammed's Law], and his wife and other family members were released after nearly two months of detention by an unnamed Pakistani security agency.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby amit » 08 Jul 2009 11:20

shiv wrote:wrote...


Shiv and Samay, thanks very much. Will do my bit to spread the love and harmony that the Land of the Pure preaches across the world.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby svinayak » 08 Jul 2009 11:42

amit wrote:
shiv wrote:wrote...


Shiv and Samay, thanks very much. Will do my bit to spread the love and harmony that the Land of the Pure preaches across the world.

Can you extract the clip of the video with the terrorist entering the Taj hotel and make it a flash program.
THis will be good to spread to all desi worldwide

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby amit » 08 Jul 2009 11:51

Acharya wrote:
amit wrote:Can you extract the clip of the video with the terrorist entering the Taj hotel and make it a flash program.
THis will be good to spread to all desi worldwide


Acharya,

Sorry I don't have that kind of technical expertise. However, I'm sure there are others here who certainly can do that.

And I'm looking to spreading this to the non-desi crowd primarily. I think that gets better impact. I'm already seeing some emails which are interesting to say the least!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby r_subramanian » 08 Jul 2009 12:00

Yet another U.S missile attack

US missile attack kills 9 militants in S Waziristan
Updated at: 1200 PST, Wednesday, July 08, 2009
WANA: Nine militants have been killed and five injured in US drone attack in South Waizirstan on Wednesday.

According to reports, US drones fired two missile at suspected hideouts of militants in Karwan Manza area killing eight and injuring five people. The causalities could be mount.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=82395

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We created militancy for short term gains: Zardari

Postby krishnan » 08 Jul 2009 12:51

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/jul/ ... ardari.htm

Pakistan now seems to be feeling the heat of the fire it had lighted years ago with President Asif Ali Zardari [Images] admitting that the menace of extremism and militancy were created by Islamabad [Images] itself to attain some tactical goals.

Addressing a gathering of retired federal secretaries and senior bureaucrats in Islamabad, Zardari asked the officials to admit the reality.

'Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. Militancy and extremism emerged on the national scene and challenged the state not because the civil bureaucracy was weakened and demoralised, but because they were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives,' The Daily Times quoted Zardari, as saying.

Referring to the political turmoil in the country, Zardari said Pakistan cannot afford political brick batting at present, as the State is on the verge of collapse due to the impending threat from the Taliban [Images] and other terror organizations.

'We intend to keep all the political forces together in a harmonious relationship as we cannot afford political games and confrontational politics. We are at the brink and we must realize that political games for personal gain can no longer be played,' he said.

Zardari also stressed on the need of dispersing power to different hands for effective governance.

'Too much power, when concentrated in one hand lasts only for a short time. For power to be effectively used for long-lasting public good it must be diffused and dispersed as widely as possible,' he added.

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Re: We created militancy for short term gains: Zardari

Postby kenop » 08 Jul 2009 13:07

A bit of correction is in order


'Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. Militancy and extremism emerged on the national and international scene and challenged the state not because the civil bureaucracy was weakened and demoralised, but because they were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives,' The Daily Times quoted Zardari, as saying.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby harbans » 08 Jul 2009 13:51

^^ Honestly, i'll give Zardari a lot of credit if he said that. Guys like Zardari are quie different from the nbormal Musharaff, Kiyani, Nawaz, Shortcut, Shrilleen, JIhadi Sethi type Paki. He's a guy who likes to enjoy life, does'nt really bother much about religion, forgets his wife in a jiffy and starts flirting even before the mourning period is over. The last kind of guy who'd be highly nationalistic, religiously have orthodox views etc. On top of that this guy suffered under a lot of dispensations and was in Jail, tortured. A dozen times a day he hears he's a Jahil, corrupt, 10% etc. Not many gus can live wih that and have a good nights sleep. Amazingly this guy not gets his good nights sleep, he smiles so boldly when he's outright begging, and well so far is running a highly divided nation and not doing too bad a job really.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby shravan » 08 Jul 2009 15:57

Several hurt in Peshawar explosion

Updated at: 1549 PST, Wednesday, July 08, 2009
PESHAWAR: Several people have been injured in a powerful explosion on Nasir Bagh Road of Peshawar, sources said Wednesday.

According to police, the blast occurred near Police Colony in Chungi Bazaar at Peshawar Board Chawk.

According to eyewitnesses, a suicide bomber blew himself up causing the blast.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 08 Jul 2009 16:05

A bit more info on what Zardari said
In addition to what Krishnan has posted above,
"Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities," Mr. Zardari said.

"The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well," he added.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 08 Jul 2009 16:07

While Zardari's statement is welcome, I would wait for the day when a Pakistani President or Prime Minister openly admits to wrong doing vis-a-vis India specifically. However, Zardari's admission is a welcome first step in the process of cognitive dissonance.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

Postby Rupesh » 08 Jul 2009 16:43



Totally incompetent suicide bomber. He Should have dispatched at least a dozen to meet their 72's.


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