A look back at the partition

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Brihaspati and Prem Sahab, I know.....the inner meaning is clear. And I am aware of the intense(?) attraction among many 'emancipated ?" womenfolk towards the macho factor of non-hindu men - a fact that is oft repeated in flims and when pakis troll any blog post. The more emancipated, sometimes more the tendency! Remember Kamala Das? Some report was there that she repented her conversion. The leftist literature is too replete with connections between the lack of virility of hindu men to the formation of the RSS (fascist :D ) cadres - celibate hindus trying to gain "power". Kamalahasan portrayed that in "Hey Ram" where the hero is on the one hand trying to increase his siddhi through yoga and on the other thinking of the woman as a gun with whom he is making love - maybe this is too wendy donigerisque.

The question was for all to think out loud. If one remembers the end of the serial 'Tamas' written by Bhisma Sahani, Deepa Shahi gives birth to the baby and her wailings during child birth is in the background while the fluttering of independent India's flag is shown. That was surely a nehruvian inspiration.
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The person who made that subliminal google ad message is one Namrata Keswani.

https://www.facebook.com/namrata.keswani.7
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AbhiG,
sorry I missed your earlier ref for alternative authors. One comes to mind immediately Kishori Lal Vyas's [Neelkanth] novel "Razakar", 2005. I will add on more later. This is in Hindi though.
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What I have against Manto et al - and even the so-called scholarship on "Partition voices of women", [Pandey, Butalia, Menon, ityadi], is that the silence of the women in their novels, the "passivity" and a non-existence - passive objects of decisions by others, is taken to imply their complicity or acceptance, or lack of trauma.

Similarly some women's reluctance to leave their abductors - because they have been impregnated or otherwise - si also represented by a section of scholars as
(1) proof that ll abducted women did not want to return and thereby indirectly enjoyed being raped
(2) and the respective two nations policies of "recovery" as not giving space to women's own choices, forcing women who were reluctant to leave their rapists - to return - which si now therefore a "re-abduction".

Interestingly these same authors - coincidentally all female - seem to not recognize that what is being represented as "womens'" choices - might not be women's choices at all, and the result of the same so-called patriarchal/religious ethos instilled in to them, which equates sexual penetration with marriage and permanent binding to the husband, that they lambast for driving rape and rape-politics.
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X-post from nukkad http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1540162
SBajwa wrote:There is a website http://www.1947partitionarchive.org that is collecting the "so called stories" of partition. It does includes large number of "people of Islamic origin" I just sent them this letter.


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1. The partition of India happened because people of Islamic origin of North India wanted a separate state for themselves and they engineered riots in Calcutta and Rawalpindi (March 1947), before Indian leaders agreed to partition the country.
2. The Direct Action Day call by Jinnah (who is considered heretic by Deobandis, Salafis, Tablighis, Wahabis now) was responsible for the riots.
3. Sikhs and Hindus lost more lives , money and property from January of 1947 till August of 1947 and they were constantly defensive.
4. Sikhs and Hindus started rioting only after August when they knew where they have to live (boundary) then they started attacking Muslims to get back some of the property
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So! please do not gloss over the simple facts and role of the Islam in this whole crisis that affected and will affect millions of people in future.
Riots as I write this letter are still happening in India (Muzaffarnagar, Kashmir, Assam) and people who follow Islam are causing this. Partition is bound to happen again in India if we keep this soft approach.

Even as both of my parents (and their families) and in-laws migrated from "Pakistan Punjab" I will not share my stories unless you amend your approach to put blame on Jinnah and his use of Islam.
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In addition to RM ji's account another related post by SBajwa ji .

Indians have to cut through our nehruvian sikularist programming to correctly see the history of Islamic violence as wantonly demonstrated in 1947. One must remember that "feel good"ness is hardly a metric for grasping Truth .

The Google ad is maliciously mangling the Truth connected to Partition .
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lest we forget.
29 photos of Partition
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http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/fall-of-mirpur/
of how muslims slaughtered hindus in Mirpur. the city is now submerged under the Mangla Dam in POK
It may sound incredible but it is true that in unprecedented level of human rights violation, out of the total population of about 25,000 of Mirpur city, about 18,000 unarmed men, women and innocent children were brutally killed within 24 hours on 25th November, 1947 on which date the city of Mirpur fell to the hands of Pakistani raiders. Out of the remaining about 7,000 citizens of Mirpur about 3,500 wounded and half dead persons were made prisoners and dumped in an old Gurudwara building at Alibeg where they were further tortured inhumanly. The remaining about 3500 who escaped from the clutches of the enemy could find way to reach Jammu barefooted in such a very miserable condition of starvation and mental agony which is too difficult to be described in words even today. The author stands witness to the said tragic and terrible episode as he was one of the persons of the small batch which was not physically captured by the raiders on the way from Mirpur to Jammu.
Mirpur now in POK (Pak Occupied Kashmir) was the District Headquarters of Jammu and Kashmir State, located on the Indo-Pak border marked at the time of partition of the country on 15th August, 1947. The accession of the Jammu and Kashmir State with India declared by Maharaja Hari Singh could not be digested by the Pakistan as a result of which Pakistan made an aggressive plan to grab the state using army force clandestinely in illegal manner. She pushed her regular army and Pathan mercenaries and laid seize of the city of Mirpur and choked it by denying access to all essential commodities as Punjab was the supply line from the very beginning. In this nefarious design, the Pakistan Government made an internal secret agreement called “Zen and Zar “with the Pathan mercenaries according to which if Mirpur city was captured, the captured women would be taken by the Pathans and the immovable property would be the share of Pakistan Government.
The incessant firing and heavy gun operation from the Pakistan army, forced the small and ill-equipped state police force stationed at that time at Mirpur, to confine itself in the pickets within the city of Mirpur. The insufficient state force was assisted by the young men of Mirpur city as the whole Mirpur community had vowed not to allow the raiders to enter the city of Mirpur till they had the last bullet to fight with. They stood like a rock and with whatever meager stock of ammunition was available in the city stock, repulsed the enemy attacks with heavy losses to them on 6th, 10th and 11th November, 1947. The young men of Mirpur had determined not to bow before the enemy but alas! the continued large scale onslaught by the well equipped Pakistan army and failing of wireless set installed at that time in police camp at Mirpur led to disruption in the radio link with the state headquarters at Jammu and Government of India, strangled the city of Mirpur. Despite war like situation created by Pakistan and even signing of agreement of accession of Jammu and Kashmir State with India, the Government of India did not send army though at that time it was stationed at Jhangar which was at a distance of only 25 miles from Mirpur. This was due to political and personal conflict and differences between the then Prime Minister of India and Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir State as a result of which Mirpur became a scapegoat. At the midnight of November 24, under a thick cover of artillery shelling and bursting of heavy grenades which are normally used during declared wars, Pakistan launched a major attack on the eastern side of the city. This was the heaviest attack witnessed so far. The Garrison put up the most spirited resistance but the enemy used its full force to break the defense line of the city. In that attempt seven Pathans could make their way to enter the city at mid-night. Alarmed by the worst critical situation at that time, the internal flying death squads of the city engaged them- selves madly in hand to hand fight with the infiltrators and killed all the seven pathans at the cost of the life of many young men of the community. This operation brought down the city stock of ammunition to zero level. In this critical situation, the state administration headed by Wazir Wazarat decided clandestinely to retreat to Jammu leaving behind the hapless civil population to face the wrath of the marauders. In fact, at that time, it was the moral duty of the state administration to ask the citizens to vacate the city and march towards Jammu under their protection but contrary to it, the Wazir Wazarat along with his police officers galloped their horses and left the city in the wee hours on November 25, even leaving behind their own wounded soldiers who were crying in pain of their wounds and lying on beds in the police hospital.
The coward departure of the state administration from Mirpur gave a jubilant signal to the enemy. At about 8.30 A.M, the fully armed raiders entered the city in wave after wave and pushed the city population into one corner of the city. The terrified men, women and children in utter confusion in the midst of heavy firing from all the sides and in choking atmosphere due to smoke coming out of the burning houses of the city, scattered and marched in caravan in different directions without knowing where they were going. They were intercepted by the enemy who like hungry wolves unleashed terror and brutal savagery which made the whole area an open stage for the naked dance of death. The heavy firing on the moving caravan from all the sides from morning to evening laid down the dead bodies of more than 12,000 persons on the earth where excepting the sky, there was none to shed tears over the bulk departed pious souls and even the Sun ashamed on grave human rights violation, had hidden his face behind the clouds well before the darkness of the evening. This was not the end of annihilation of the misery of the unfortunate persons of Mirpur. At the night of the same day an ill-fated group of about 2,000 persons was captured at a place known as “Kas Guma”. The enemy gathered a round the captives and asked them to surrender all the cash and jewellery which they had with them. Thereafter, the male persons were asked to remove their clothes and lie down in a row. They were tortured and killed in batches during the whole night. The women and girls were taken to unknown places by the Pathans as per their standing agreement “Zen and Zar” with the Pakistan Government. Next day, the enemy drove another group of about 2,000 persons and brought them at a village known as “Thathal”. They also met the same treatment as at Kas Guma. Finally there was a massacre at Alibeg where there were 5, 000 captives. In the beginning 50 to 100 young men were daily taken on pick and choose basis and killed them in the open fields. Besides, on average basis, 15 to 20 captives died every day due to severe cold weather condition, starvation, illness and mental upset ness. On December Ist a young Muslim attorney named Mohd. Ibrahim being very soft in tongue and well known to many Hindu Officers of Mirpur visited the prison and showed his lip sympathy to the intelligentsia who were brought there as captives and also shed his crocodile tears on their pitiable condition and assured them that he would do his best to talk with the concerned authorities of the Government of Pakistan to get them employed in the factories on daily wage basis till they were at Alibeg as captives. He distributed Muslim caps and mufflers to some of them as a token of friendship, but those gestures were in fact subtle signals to the Pakistani soldiers to kill those persons first. The next morning, the enemy soldiers gathered a group of educated people of the prison on the pretext that \they would be taken back in the evening with earning after utilizing their services in the factories during the day . Those wearing caps and mufflers proudly occupied the front line to get priority in getting job in the factories. They never came back as they all were slaughtered on the side of a canal.
In the mid January, 1948 a team of ICRC (International Committee of Red Cross) arrived there and took charge of the camp and supplied the needed food and medicines to the captives. On March 18, they managed to get the captives liberated in exchange of the same number of Muslims who were in India, willing to go to Pakistan. At that time, the captives of Mirpur in the Alibeg camp were not more than 1600 as the rest were either killed/died or kidnapped. The liberated persons were mostly aged and even unable to walk. They reached Amritsar where they were given touching reception by their relatives and general public.
In the memory of Mirpur martyrs of 1947, a Shaheedi Samark has been constructed by the Government at a conspicuous place in front of the main entry gate of the Government Medical College at Maheshpura Chowk Bakshinagar Jammu. The Jammu Development Authority dedicated the said Samark to Mirpur Community which was unveiled by Miss Sushma Choudhary 1.A.S the then Financial Commissioner on 25th November, 1998. The said Smarak is also the starting point of Mirpur Road’ which was named so on the same day viz 25th November, 1948 to pay tributes to the martyrs ofMirpur, under the patronage of late S. Harsajan Singh who at that time, was the Chairman of the Legislative Council of the Jammu and Kashmir State.
Mirpur city is no more now. The same was submerged in water when the Government of Pakistan constructed Mangla Dam in the late sixties. At present, the only visible sign of Mirpur city is an old Shiva temple which was in the heart of the city and can be seen when the water level of the Dam is low during the winter months.
According to a legend Mirpur city was laid about 850 years ago, by two saints namely Mira Shah Gazi and Gosain Budpuri. The word’ Mir’ was taken from the name of the former while’ pur ‘from the latter and gave the name ‘Mirpur’ which became the symbol of Hindu-Muslim unity and brotherhood but the cruel partition of the country on 15th August, 1947 applied the reverse gear and brought the tragic end of the city of Mirpur due to the general conflict between the two communities of the two countries India and the Pakistan.
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today mirpur fell during partition
On November 25, 1947, the historic city of Mirpur fell to the Kabaili raiders, who were aided and abetted by the four-month old state of Pakistan. On that chilly Tuesday, sixty-five years ago, in an air reeking of blood and gore, a long procession of woe-begone men, women and children embarked on their journey to nowhere, leaving behind their dead and their earthly possessions.
Where precisely was this Mirpur? The Gazetteer of India and Pakistan lists as many as fifty-four towns by that name. The Mirpur we are talking of lay eight miles east of the river Jhelum. A look at the map of India would reveal that the Jhelum demarcates the boundary between pre-1947 state of Jammu and Kashmir and Pakistan. Running southward from Muzzafarbad (now the ‘capital’ of the Pak-held Kashmir), the river widens and turns eastwards. It was here that once stood the old town of Mirpur. If you could consider that J&K is India’s turbaned head, Mirpur would then be somewhere round its chin.
From Mirpur Choumakh – the four faced town – roads led to Delhi in the east, Peshawar in the west, Kashmir in the north and the Jhelum in the south. Naturally, the bulk of trade between the Punjab and the hills of Kashmir was carried out in Mirpur. Frederick Drew, Governor of Ladakh province during the reign of Maharaja Ranbir Singh, writing in 1875, testifies to its prosperity. The Gazetteer of Kashmir and Ladakh (1890) records that Mirpur had ‘…a well stocked bazaar, a tehsil…and plentiful of supplies, transport, firewood, grass and water.’
Thanks to its strategic position, it was a strong bastion of the Dogra rulers. Located here was were the wazarat (district headquarters) of Mirpur district as also the headquarters of the Mirpur Brigade, comprising three battalions of the Maharaja’s army. In addition, personnel of the Civil Defence, formed in the wake of the communal disturbances, were also posted in and around the town. The Mirpuris themselves – Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs – wielded considerable influence in commerce and administration of the state.
Yet, the unthinkable happened. Within a month of the state’s accession to India, Mirpur was ransacked by Pakistan-sponsored marauders. How did it happen? Let the incidents speak for themselves. In the autumn of 1946, Mohammed Ali Jinnah gives the call for ‘Direct Action’, plunging the whole of Punjab and Bengal into an orgy of violence, which reverberates throughout the length and breadth of the sub-continent. The Khizar Hayat ministry falls within six months in March, 1947. Communal riots in Punjab drive Sikhs and Hindus to seek refuge in Mirpur. The local residents panic at the turn of events and Maharaja Hari Singh visits the town in the last week of April, 1947 to restore their confidence. The creation of Pakistan on 14 August, 1947 brings a fresh surge of refugees from across the Jhelum. The following day, when India attains freedom, Maharaja Hari Singh, declines to accede to the union, complacent of his power as he to cope with the prevailing violence. But within a month, his Chief of Army Staff, Major General Scott, deserts him and flies home to England via Rawalpindi. On October 6, all border-posts of Jammu and Kashmir, from Kahuta to Jhelum, come under attack…
Eating his humble pie, the Maharaja signs the accession treaty with India on October 26. Thanks to the great jumble at New Delhi, there is delay in deployment of troops. Bhimber falls to the enemy on October 29 and Rajouri on November 11. A week later, on Nomber 19, Brig Paranjpe of 50 Para Brigade arrives on the scene, but the situation has already gone out of hand. His BM (brigade-major), Nasurallah Khan, detailed to evacuate the beleaguered Gurkha troops at the June and Thirochhi Fort, butchers the unsuspecting troops to a man and defects to the enemy along with his cohorts.
The fate of Mirpur town is now sealed. Reinforcements are sent to save the day, but are mystifyingly diverted to Kotli. One version is that it was done primarily to rescue Colonel Baldev Singh of the Maharaja’s army, who was stuck there. As a consequence, the non-Muslim population of Mirpur is left to the tender mercies of the enemy. Rao Ratan Singh, Maharaja’s vizir wazarat (deputy commissioner) is among the first to leave the doomed town, escorted by a sizeable body of troops, to reach the safe havens of Jammu. Eventually, it is decided on November 25 to evacuate the town and of the 15000 persons who are forced to leave their homes and hearths, only 4000 make it to India.
In less than two decades, in 1966 to be precise, their beloved town would be submerged under the waters of the Mangla Dam for all times of come.
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/the-fall-of-mirpur/
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Very painful reading. Shows what lack of ammo can get you when facing 'zina zari' pact of paki with irregulars on one side and paki army directly attacking on the other side. More interesting is how Mirpur was refuge for displaced Hindus who were attacked shortly after paki independence.

It's strange how no movies are yet made for the shaheed displaced and attacked.
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^

Indians generally have a poor recollection of those events(and most events, BTW) , unless they, or their families, were directly affected. I've observed this among Indians and persons of Indian origin. "Both sides did it" is the standard remark, if any remark is made at all. The reference to Islamist violence in specific areas, and the horrible casualties it created, is ignored. On the ideological side, everything is construed to mitigate Moslem/Islamist violence.
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Read this Gurbachan Singh Tabib's report submitted to SGPC on 1947 violence named "MUSLIM LEAGUE ATTACK ON SIKHS AND HINDUS IN THE PUNJAB 1947"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1304036/posts
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I can't get that book anywhere! Does anybody has electronic copy of this book
"MUSLIM LEAGUE ATTACK ON SIKHS AND HINDUS IN THE PUNJAB 1947" Report by Gurbachan Singh Talib to SGPC.
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SBajwa wrote:I can't get that book anywhere! Does anybody has electronic copy of this book
"MUSLIM LEAGUE ATTACK ON SIKHS AND HINDUS IN THE PUNJAB 1947" Report by Gurbachan Singh Talib to SGPC.
Click on cached copy for each chapter when it doesn't work, then it should work (works for me):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... books/mla/
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well there has been a systematic effort to falsify history right from advent of islamic rulers in india..

akbar is the greatest 'indian' emperor !! we have roads named after babur, aurangzeb !! i would request members to read charles todd books on rajasthan. the mughal emperor Akbar has max hindu blood on his hands..and he is our best emperor !! and so on.... babur etc are great indian emperors !! no history book talks abt the rape, pillage, plunder committed by these barbarian
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I need following numbers

Hindu = Hindu + Sikhs + Buddhists + Jains

Hindu as % population of total population n Pakistan in 1931, 1951 and 2001

Hindu as % population of total population n Bangladesh in 1931, 1951 and 2001

Muslims as % population of total population n India in 1931, 1951 and 2001

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There is something called Human Development Index. Is there anything called as Fascism Index? We can make one, and show that Jinha was more fascist that Hitler and Pakistan has been more fascist than Hitler's Germany
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manjgu wrote:well there has been a systematic effort to falsify history right from advent of islamic rulers in india..

akbar is the greatest 'indian' emperor !! we have roads named after babur, aurangzeb !! i would request members to read charles todd books on rajasthan. the mughal emperor Akbar has max hindu blood on his hands..and he is our best emperor !! and so on.... babur etc are great indian emperors !! no history book talks abt the rape, pillage, plunder committed by these barbarian


manjgu ji,

Is there a website / repository where the books of mughal history, KM Munshi, VP Menon and others who wrote of the partition days, the role of the leading protagonists have been discussed??
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see http://esamskriti.com/essay-chapters/Re ... dia-5.aspx

Hindus in present day Pakistan in 1931, 1951, 1991, 2001 = 18.5% , 1.5% , 1.5% , 1.5%

Hindus in present day Bangladesh in 1931, 1951, 1991, 2001 = 29.5% , 23% , 11.5% , 9%

Muslims in present day India in 1931, 1951, 1991 , 2001= 12.5% , 10.5% , 12.5% , 13%

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                       1931     1951    1991    2001     2011

Hindus in Pakistan    18.5%     1.5%    1.5%    1.5%      ??
Hindus in Bangladesh  29.5%    23.0%   11.5%    9.0%      ??
Muslims in India      12.5%    10.5%   12.5%   13.0%  withheld by GoI

This above website gives numbers of 1931, 1951 and also 1991, but not 2001 . The 2001 numbers are from my other sources on net

And pls note that GoI is NOT releasing religion numbers for 2011 census.
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To return to the Bohras, Burhanuddin’s father Syedna Tahir Saifuddin was also enthusiastic about Pakistan. Though he remained in Surat and Mumbai after Partition, there is a road named after him in Karachi.
In the elections where Jinnah demanded Pakistan, Saifuddin “issued a fatwa to Bohras residing in the Mumbai city constituency from which Jinnah was running for a seat in the Central Assembly to cast their votes for the Muslim League leader. Bohras made up a major electoral bloc in the constituency, so Syedna’s fatwa was crucial” (according to the book Mullahs on the Mainframe: Islam And Modernity Among the Daudi Bohras by Jonah Blank).
This enthusiasm may seem surprising given the experience of Bohras under Sunni rule. When Aurangzeb came to Gujarat in 1645, the 32nd Syedna was executed as a heretic on a child’s testimony and all Bohra mosques were handed over to Sunni clerics.
Inevitably, in today’s Pakistan, the Bohra is seen as a heretic by every denomination of an increasingly militant Sunni society, and attacks on their markets and mosques with bomb and gun are on the rise in Karachi.

http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/VzViwNG ... ation.html
Yet I am sure according to seculars Syedna became a great Indian patriot on August 16th 1947 because he stayed back.
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SBajwa wrote:I can't get that book anywhere! Does anybody has electronic copy of this book
"MUSLIM LEAGUE ATTACK ON SIKHS AND HINDUS IN THE PUNJAB 1947" Report by Gurbachan Singh Talib to SGPC.
Here is the complete book. Read it online.

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/mla/
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IIRC, the Bohras, Khojas, Memons, etc business communities from Gujrat-Sindh were the main financiers of the ML.
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No concerns at all. I was gauging by the number of Muslim bashing posts in this particular thread that forum guidelines about avoiding politics and religion aren't too strictly enforced.

Maybe its a matter of interpretation of those guidelines. But nevermind. Please ignore me and carry on.
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No more on the topic.

Thanks, ramana
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I tell you what happened during those days. Nehru was in Lahore just before the 14th
of August. He met with a number of Hindu notables at the residence of Bhim Sen Sacchar. In
the meeting he was told by all those who were present that circumstances were such that no
Hindu will be able to stay on in Pakistan. Panditji replied that Hindus had lived under the
Mughals in the past; they could do it now under the Muslim rulers of Pakistan
...

Ram Parkash Kapur, 75. Interviewed on 20 October 1999 at his residence in Delhi. Mr
Kapur comes from an affluent upper class family of publishers and entrepreneurs of
Lahore. He is a publisher and an industrialist and lives in Delhi.

http://www.sacw.net/partition/june2004IshtiaqAhmed.pdf
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@villagehistory Feb 21

Sept 1947 :: A convoy of refugees in a village of West Punjab

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I have my own family history of how Pakistanis murdered Hindus even after the partition (When they attacked J&K). Too painful to share and worst part was that most of the wives remained in the limbo status of neither widows nor married as the dead bodies of the men killed were never recovered and as usual this whole murderous acts were preceded by some snake oil salesman from Muslim community visiting and taking away all the weapons in the name of Islam not allowing killing of unarmed men.
The kids who would never know what a father is, or the women who jumped in the wells to save the honor or men who were massacred with axes and blunt weapons or the survivors who could never get over the violence of that Diwali night or the old Bull from Shiv temple who was specifically targeted, killed and his meat prepared in the same temple premise.
So if GoI or any other idiot comes and tells me to celebrate Aman ki Asha with Al Bakis or treat Bakis as some long lost brother, all I have to offer him/her is a mouthful of spit.
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VikasRaina wrote:I have my own family history of how Pakistanis murdered Hindus even after the partition (When they attacked J&K). Too painful to share and worst part was that most of the wives remained in the limbo status of neither widows nor married as the dead bodies of the men killed were never recovered and as usual this whole murderous acts were preceded by some snake oil salesman from Muslim community visiting and taking away all the weapons in the name of Islam not allowing killing of unarmed men.
The kids who would never know what a father is, or the women who jumped in the wells to save the honor or men who were massacred with axes and blunt weapons or the survivors who could never get over the violence of that Diwali night or the old Bull from Shiv temple who was specifically targeted, killed and his meat prepared in the same temple premise.
So if GoI or any other idiot comes and tells me to celebrate Aman ki Asha with Al Bakis or treat Bakis as some long lost brother, all I have to offer him/her is a mouthful of spit.
I also read somewhere that 30 buses full of Hindu girls were taken to Pakistan and all of them were pushed into flesh trade.
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The OU scumbags had placed Amritsar,Ferozpur,Jammu and Jalandhar in 'green' area.
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I think Firozepur and Jammu were almost lost.
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svenkat wrote:The OU scumbags had placed Amritsar,Ferozpur,Jammu and Jalandhar in 'green' area.
They were green zone. There was ethnic cleansing on both sides of Jammu.
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Some thoughts I tweeted on Partition and War of 1971 [Tweet]

Partition of India was a division of property among 2 Mughal heirs: JLN & MAJ. Today India is ruled by another Mughal dynasty and Pakistan by Pak Army. Nehru-Gandhi Mughals got a bigger portion, thanks to Patel, with majority Hindus so they followed strategy of slow digestion, slow subjugation of the Hindu through Secularism. Imperative of NeoGazis of Pakistan is to compete among themselves to assert their right to lead - hence attacks on Kufr India - e.g. Mumbai Attacks. Imperative of NeoMughals of India is to boil the Hindu frog on slow heat, kill Bharatiya Sabhyata slowly through cancer of Deracination!

War of 1971 was between NeoMughals of India & NeoGazis of Pakistan. Indira Gandhi was alarmed genocide of Hindu in East Pakistan could awaken the Indian Hindu. Had Indira Gandhi not intervened in East Pakistan in 1971, Bengali Hindus would have risen and brought down the NeoMughals in Delhi, led by Indira Gandhi. Instead Bengali Hindu has been intellectually castrated & completely deracinated through Anglophilia, Communism and Dhimmitude

For Hindus, difference between NeoMughals of India and NeoGazis of Pakistan is that between HIV and Ebola - allowing whole immune system to collapse or choosing rapid death.

SoniaGandhi changed strategy of NeoMughals by including rapid Christianization as that too would sap Hindu strength viz-a-viz Islamization. AmanKiAsha, Paki Bank branches in India, defacto gifting Siachen to Pakistan are all measures by NeoMughals to include NeoGazis in Loot of India
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Looking at the Map, it seems Raadccliffe line was joke, the British had aldready prepared the line in 1909, only thing was the Indian Army fightt in Kashmir was unexpected, and based on thier propognda, Pakis would have an walkover.
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They got the Chittagong hill tracts & Sylhet too... CHT as a quid pro quo for Calcutta as East Pakistan needed a secure port free of Indian threats.

Jinnah was against the partition of Punjab and wanted the entire province to come to Pakistan under a guileful argument that Provinces should not be partitioned. He complained bitterly about getting a moth eaten Pakistan when given no option by the Sikhs. However this did not prevent them for getting Sylhet hived off from Assam. In turn India should have asked for Umerkot to cut off from Sindh as it had Hindu majority.

The vital state is Punjab and J&K is where Pakistan lost the plot. Looking at the map it appears Hindus managed to get the better end of the stick. Now the next phase is to end the deracination of the elites in Hindustan.
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Nadeem Paracha on the pivotal 1946 elections in Punjab.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1105473

My corrections to some inaccuracies in his account:
http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... tions.html
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The Alternative History of an Undivided India | Standpoint
The counterfactual story would have been far more positive. A united Indian Dominion based on the Cabinet Mission Plan would have had its tensions; but over time the glue of shared power would have held the Congress and the Muslim League together, at least on issues of external security. India, without Nehru's pro-Soviet brand of non-alignment, would probably have allied with the West and, like the Raj, would have seen Afghanistan as a vital buffer state from which the Russians must be excluded. Under Indian protection, Afghanistan would have remained a benevolent, Westernising monarchy with little scope for al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

Without a hostile Pakistan on its borders, India would also have been far better able to check Communist China's ambitions. The Raj had seen an independent Tibet as a necessary buffer against Chinese expansionism. "Rather than see a Chinese occupation of Tibet," a British general had warned in 1946, "India should be prepared to occupy the plateau herself." In 1959, a serious Indian ultimatum would probably have prevented China from occupying Tibet and ending its autonomy under the Dalai Lama. If so, India would also have been spared military defeat in the disastrous 1962 Sino-Indian War, for which the Nehru government was so ill-prepared.

A decentralised, federal union of sovereign provinces would not necessarily have been any less efficient or productive than today's India, where the central government for the past decade has been a weak, fragmented coalition dominated by strong regional parties. Over time, the Hindu-Muslim religious divide would have faded into the myriad ethnic, regional and linguistic identities that make up the Indian mosaic. The union would also have been cemented by rapid economic growth, as India's dynamic private sector, unshackled by Nehru's state socialism, outstripped the mini-tiger economies of the Far East. A united subcontinent could have entered the 21st century as the world's second largest economy, well ahead of China.
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^^^Totally improbable. Pakistan was not negotiable for Jinnah after 1940. The Cabinet Mission Plan was unworkable. It is in the same class of fantasy as: the majority of India can convert to Islam, reunite with Pakistan, then thumb its nose at China.

PS: next step is to ask, why not for sake of Bharat Mata's unity, Hindus did not mass convert to Islam to prevent Partition?
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A_Gupta wrote:^^^Totally improbable. Pakistan was not negotiable for Jinnah after 1940. The Cabinet Mission Plan was unworkable. It is in the same class of fantasy as: the majority of India can convert to Islam, reunite with Pakistan, then thumb its nose at China.

PS: next step is to ask, why not for sake of Bharat Mata's unity, Hindus did not mass convert to Islam to prevent Partition?
There is a fundamental flaw in the new ideas and false ideas like Pakistan.
There is a no strategic vision of for Islam and also the Muslims. See the muslims now divided into more than 50 countries and are at perpetual civilization war. Indian Muslim leadership is vestige of the British imperial manipulation over 200 years and was not representing the Indian people It was rebelling and revolting to the grass root nationalism which was building in India.
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When Pakistan is gone then the Empire is over
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olhmuyBMoXI

Watch what happens when a young chap compares Jinnah to NaMo @ 45:35. This is in Karachi 2012. This is a ripoff of the Jaipur literature festival where the Paki RAPES are supposedly analyzing partition.

The young fellow is called at the end for a private chat probably warned never to ask that question again.

Done...my Bad
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