Deterrence

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Re: Deterrence

Postby dinesh_kimar » 25 Jan 2020 17:03

Haridas wrote:If only someone can get the proper context of Tesse Thomas statement.


This from Hindu talks abt Agni 4, not Agni 3. I guess you are right , Saar.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/missile-woman-urges-her-fraternity-to-fly-high/article17443613.ece/amp/

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Re: Deterrence

Postby Supratik » 25 Jan 2020 17:40

This is not the article I am talking about.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby Supratik » 25 Jan 2020 17:46

In any case coming back to the original argument the long range Indian missiles have a range and the lower range is stated e.g. there is no official report that Agni 5 is anything but 5000 kms missile but Chinese sources have stated that it is 5000-8000 kms range.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby Supratik » 25 Jan 2020 17:57

And Agni 4 weight is I believe 17 tonnes.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby Haridas » 25 Jan 2020 23:52

Supratik wrote:In any case coming back to the original argument the long range Indian missiles have a range and the lower range is stated e.g. there is no official report that Agni 5 is anything but 5000 kms missile but Chinese sources have stated that it is 5000-8000 kms range.

Becoz Chinese don't look for credible reports by indian newspaper like Hindu/Frontline. They use cold info physics provides, via their own Rocket Simulator.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby Haridas » 25 Jan 2020 23:57

dinesh_kimar wrote:
Haridas wrote:If only someone can get the proper context of Tesse Thomas statement.


This from Hindu talks abt Agni 4, not Agni 3. I guess you are right , Saar.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/missile-woman-urges-her-fraternity-to-fly-high/article17443613.ece/amp/

Reporting context is clear here. No assertion of same payload.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby krishna_krishna » 13 Feb 2020 07:46

Posting this as it has lot of insights into porky military leadership right now , ex. SPD general :

There was a gap in the porky air defence coverage that was exploited by India and also subsequently led to closure of porky air space post Balakot (A capability gap), they may be plugged next time.

They believe (I mean seriously) that clown jewels that blanket provided is on shaky ground, they want to re-inforce in western circles that they are ready with climbing to chotu maal next time if something happens (indian action) or inaction from western powers to mediate.

From pork strategic circles, Airstrikes post Balakot has been validity of had-e-momin superiority and they have won overwhelmingly.

There would be increase in boiling of Kashmir during summer.

They just hate hindu ( I say deliberately) resurgence and assertion.

Expect same type of oneupmanship is expected in next round

Porkis know that they cannot count on international community to save their skin.They are out there to fend for themselves

They are okay with some kind of operations from India as part of their gameplan of harming India through thousand cuts, that also give some insights into what they are planning with end state of this they were viewing (I see PFI, sharjeel Imam, riots etc. everything connected to this).



https://youtu.be/bInVdvk39e0

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Re: Deterrence

Postby RKumar » 13 Feb 2020 15:45

Thanks Krishana for posting the link, it is clear from the body and the talk. They are shit scared for our response in the PoK and looking for a face-saving formula from the international community. Also complaining to the western world that they are not helping them.

NaPaki being NaPaki, they are okay to build a Muslim country but not okay to have Hindustan as the Hindu state. Look at their pain for facing Modi in 6 years, India faced for 65 years.

Their No clear stuff is being called off, they are now openly stating that we will respond to India in a conventional way but with plus like balakot response. They are bluffing, that they had confirmation of Arihant in our pond :rotfl: but for the AC, subs, and boats he might be correct.

Like every time, we did not start but unlike in the past - we were ready to finish &&&. It is very clear - it was not India, who backed down from the escalation ladder.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby vishvak » 13 Feb 2020 22:52

Pakis come into battle with nothing to lose situation, while our sultanate minded peace loving has ensured long term harm. This time pakis got Chinese defence wares, along with Chinese maal. We blundered earlier when not cleaning up pakilands of nukes while showing benevolence to pakis. Hopefully our efforts next time would be more encompassing.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby yensoy » 13 Feb 2020 23:40

Supratik wrote:In any case coming back to the original argument the long range Indian missiles have a range and the lower range is stated e.g. there is no official report that Agni 5 is anything but 5000 kms missile but Chinese sources have stated that it is 5000-8000 kms range.


At 8000km range, the missile could target US and that becomes a big headache for us because some automatic clause will kick in within the Pentagon which will try to neutralize any threat to its territory, even if so called threat is to the frigid, far northern reaches of Alaska. It's better to say 5000km, that sends the message loud and clear to whom it is intended.

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Re: Deterrence

Postby dinesha » 20 Feb 2020 13:49

Neighbours’ mind games: India, Pakistan must initiate dialogue between nuclear experts
The establishment of credible mutual deterrence between two nuclear rivals, by diminishing the possibility of a surprise nuclear attack, forms the basis of what is termed “strategic stability”.
Written by Arun Prakash | Updated: February 19, 2020 11:34:01 am
Even as thorny issues of force-modernisation, budget-prioritisation and joint command structures engage the attention of our newly anointed Chief of Defence Staff, he will, sooner than later, in his capacity as the first-ever Military Adviser to the National Command Authority (NCA), have to address India’s nuclear deterrent. When he does so, he might ponder over US strategist Bernard Brodie’s prescription for preventing a nuclear conflict: “Thus far, the chief purpose of our military establishment has been to win wars. From now on its chief purpose must be to avert them.”


https://indianexpress.com/article/opini ... t-6274778/

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Re: Deterrence

Postby ramana » 20 Feb 2020 21:01

Admiral Arun Prakash is talking through his hat. In most of the article he refutes Lt Gen Khalid's claims and suddenly says need to have dialog! How to have dialog with a delusional leader?

For example Ghauri test triggered the 1998 tests.
No mention of TSP acquiring missile delivery systems in the 1990s.


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