The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby g.sarkar » 25 Jan 2013 19:58

chaanakya wrote:Chicago District Court Sentences Daood Gilani aka David Headly 35 years of imprisonment for his role in killing of 165 person in Mumbai. For each death caused by Daood is two and half months. While he deserved to be given death sentence the American prosecutors are touting this as their attempts to seek justice for Indian citizens.Shame on them for accepting plea bargaining in an open and shut case.

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For some one of Headley's age, 35 years may mean a life in prison. However, as I know of people who have spent 30 years just for selling drugs (3 strikes law in California) this is a sweet deal. A true sentence would have been multiple life terms or LWOP. However, the US does not do sweet deals without a reason. He has paid in other ways, perhaps by promising to keep quiet about CIA's involvement and or something else.
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Postby ArmenT » 25 Jan 2013 20:23

^^^
With good behavior, he could be out in far less time than 35 years. It should have been 35 years without the option of parole.

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Postby member_22872 » 25 Jan 2013 20:29

He should have been ripped apart alive, but no, okay what about Back-to-Back life sentences, which is the case in American judicial system:
This is a common punishment for a double murder in the United States; this is effective because the defendant may be awarded parole after 25 years when he or she is eligible, and then must serve an additional 25 years in prison to be eligible for parole again. It also serves as a type of insurance that the defendant will have to serve the maximum length of at least one life sentence if, for some reason, one of the murder convictions is overturned on appeal.

Now we are talking about 166+ deaths in cold blood, facilitated by this bugger. And we should be happy for 35 years? Indian life is cheap.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby ramana » 25 Jan 2013 20:33

Guys there is a lot of details in the case that can fill in the gaps.

All his actions are that of a covert agent and not a plain vanilla jihadi. This guy was working for US. It just doesnt make sense that his handlers were not in the loop on his activities as LeT member.
Also recall he has prior history of working for an US agency and was caught smuggling drugs.


If you follow his life you can understand the deep connections in TSP and the US at many formal and informal levels.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby Baikul » 25 Jan 2013 20:41

ArmenT wrote:^^^
With good behavior, he could be out in far less time than 35 years. It should have been 35 years without the option of parole.


This.

If parole is an option, I'd love to know when Headley's first request for an early release will come up before the parole board.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby ramana » 25 Jan 2013 22:04

HT psy-ops of partial truth which hides the US role.

How Daoud Gilani climbed the LeT ladder


How David Headley climbed the LeT ladder
Presley Thomas, Hindustan Times
Mumbai, January 23, 2013



Taj in flames: Smoke and flame billows from the Taj Hotel in Mumbai.

Pakistan-born American terrorist David Coleman Headley, to be sentenced by a Chicago court on Thursday for his role in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, was an important member of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, with direct access to its chief, Hafiz Saeed. His entry into the ranks of the Lashkar started in Lahore after he saw an LeT poster outside Lahore’s Qadisiya mosque seeking funds for ‘jihad’. :mrgreen:

{He was in a jail in US serving charges of being drug smugler. How did he get to TSP in Lahore? Who sent thim there and why? Which US agency was his handler?}


According to what he told a team of NIA officials, the poster prompted him to call the Lashkar office in Lahore to make a donation of R50,000 in Pakistani currency.

{For all purposes Daoud Gilani is a deadbeat drug smuggler released from prison in US. How and where did he get the Rs 50,000? Was that US govt money?}

A request from Abid — an LeT operative who took the money from Headley — to attend Hafiz Saeed’s lecture fast-tracked his entry into the world of terrorism.

Saeed quoted a Hadith which said “a moment spent in jihad gives you much more sawaab (reward) than the millions of namaz offered in Kaaba and that too on the night of Iailat-ur-Qadr (pious night of Ramzan)”. The quote had considerable influence on Headley, who met the Lashkar chief on subsequent visits to Pakistan in 1999 and 2000 and decided to join the LeT cadre in 2001.

{So the donation was a way to get into LeT and join it. Remember he is not a free person but still working for the unnamed US agency}

After undergoing training programmes to learn Islamic preaching, handle weapons, conduct reconnaissance and surveillance at Daura-e-Sufa, Daura-e-Aam, Daura-e-Khaas, Daura-e-Ribat, Bait-ul-Rizwan and Daura-e-Tadribul Musaleen training camps in Pakistan between 2002 and 2004, Headley’s impatience to wage war against India finally ended in 2005.

A quick name change in the United States of America from Daood Gilani to David Coleman Headley ensured that nobody suspected him in India. Armed with his mother-in-law’s camera, two credit cards and about $3,500, Headley landed at Mumbai’s international airport on September 14, 2006.

Bashir, a local contact whom fellow-accused and friend Tahawwur Rana had talked to, received Headley at the airport and assured him a room at Hotel Outram in south Mumbai. During his stay till December 14, 2006, Headley extensively videographed places like the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation building, Haji Ali shrine, Gateway of India, Hotel Taj, Apollo Bunder, state police headquarters, DN Road and Azad Maidan.


{Where is Bashir the local Mumbai contact? This gives lie to the GOI stance of no local hand in teh 26/11 attack. How come all these criminals have only one name?}

Headley returned to Pakistan and handed over the photographs and video tapes to Major Iqbal, one of his ISI handlers, and later to Sajid Majid alias Wasi, one of the key conspirators of the 26/11 attacks.

Headley then made a short trip to India on February 21, 2007, and with local help, got a new SIM card and also activated an internet account. He left India on March 15, 2007, only to come back five days later with his Moroccan wife Faiza Outalha and made bookings at the Taj and Trident hotels. After conducting his reconnaissance of the hotels and areas nearby, Headley left India for Dubai on May 15, 2007.

After staying with his wife and children for three days in Dubai, Headley once again entered India on May 20, 2007 for celebrated gym instructor Vilas Warak’s birthday along with Bollywood film director Rahul Bhatt. Though this wasn’t a productive reconnaissance trip, Headley went back to Pakistan and handed over the general photographs he had taken of Mumbai to Major Iqbal and Sajid.

Before his fifth visit to India a top LeT commander, Abdur Rehman, requested Headley to conduct surveillance of the National Defence College in Delhi (NDC) and Major Iqbal asked Headley to get him all information about Pune.

Headley boarded a flight from Lahore to Delhi in September 2007, and after conducting a quick reconnaissance of the NDC, reached Mumbai on September 4, 2007. This was one of the most crucial visits of Headley during which he extensively photographed Hotel Taj, Shiv Sena Bhavan, visited guards posted outside Sena chief Bal Thackeray’s house. When he went back to Pakistan and handed over the video footage he had collected, Headley learnt that LeT was under tremendous pressure to launch a spectacular attack against India as disgruntled fighters were leaving the terrorist organisation.

{Did he inform his US handlers of this news?}

With specific instructions to check for landing sites in Mumbai, Headley visited India again. He chose the spot where Kasab and nine others alighted off the sea coast in Mumbai.

{The odd thing is the Indian police at the immigration did not raise a suspicion at so many frequent visits to India by a fake US citizen? How many multiple enteries on his visa were given by the Indian consulate?]

Case files
The US Justice Department has urged the federal judge in Chicago to sentence David Coleman Headley to 30 to 35 years in prison when he faces the court for his conviction on Thursday. David Headley, considered the mastermind behind the Mumbai attacks of 26/11 2008, had pleaded guilty to escape death and extradition to India. India wants to conduct another trial for Headley but the US is opposed to his extradition. The NIA was allowed to interrogate Headley in Chicago in the presence of the FBI. A look at the man’s background:

Who is Headley?
Born to a Pakistani father and an American mother in June 1960, Daood Gilani aka David Coleman Headley spent his early days in Pakistan’s Attock district

He studied in Pakistan till his parents separated and then relocated to the US

Headley studied accounting at a community college in Philadelphia, and later operated a video store, Fliks Video, City Centre, New York

{Missing in this selective bio is his run-ins as a drug smuggler from TSP to US and his subsequnet arrests.}

Later, on a visit to Pakistan, Headley, who used to visit Qadisiya Mosque in Lahore, saw an LeT poster which sought funds to fight ‘Jihad’ or ‘Holy War’ in India in 1998 :?:

The poster touched Headley, and he called the LeT’s office based at Model Town in Lahore to make a donation of R50,000 (Pakistani currency). He joined the LeT and became an important member.

{The timing is crucial. Was he an LeT member before his arrest in US or after his release from prison?}

Charges against Headley
Charges Headley faces include:
Conspiracy involving bombing public places in India
Conspiracy to murder and maim persons in India, Denmark
Attending terror training camps in Pakistan and conducting an extensive surveillance of targets in India
Sharing photographs and videos of the targets with the LeT and his ISI handlers
Aiding and abetting the murder of US citizens in India
Providing material support to foreign terrorist plots
Providing material support to top terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba
Using his friend Tahawwur Rana's immigration company as a cover for surveillance activities in India and Denmark on behalf of Pakistan-based terrorist groups, including LeT.
{Note no where he is charged with aiding and abetting murders of in India. Nor is he charged with waging war against India}


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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby RamaY » 25 Jan 2013 22:08

^ very interesting.. giving Rs50000 gets him access to Hafiz Pig and attending some training camps makes him privy of LET plans? If it is so simple why not RAW go donate Rs50000 per agent and take out the pig?

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby ramana » 26 Jan 2013 02:12

One more strike agaisnt MMS appeasement and the castaratti's impotence.

Two op-eds on the Gilani conviction and a new item

NewsInsight.net:

The Compromiser
There is never a moment when the Indian prime minister, Manmohan Singh, does not contemplate good relations with the United States, including a one-sided one. Hence the FDI in multi-brand retail whose chief beneficiary will be the bloodsucking Wal-Mart. So, too, the defence framework agreement with the American military to advantage its interoperability of weapons’ systems and reckless foreign interventions. Thus the nuclear deal to save struggling US reactor manufacturers at the cost of India’s thorium process. The final slap in the face comes in the form of the 35-year prison sentence to the 2008 Bombay terror attack facilitator, the half-Pakistani, David Headley, who the United States won’t extradite to India, unless he violates the terms of his plea bargain, an unreachable lollipop for Manmohan Singh and his pro-American cabinet.

The ridiculous Indian home secretary, R.K.Singh, says India wants death for David Headley after giving him a life.
:mrgreen: or :((

Why didn’t Manmohan Singh make a death sentence for Headley a touchstone for friendly relations with the United States, and pull off when it proved beyond his reach? Do you punish an unfriendly act or reward it, such as aligning foreign and military policies, easing entry for Wal-Mart and American reactor firms, following the US line on Iran, Pakistan and so forth? Manmohan Singh has a lot to answer for turning India into a stooge of the United States.

The grossest part is hearing some United States attorney go over the possible ways in which David Headley could violate his plea bargain. Who, in the first place, authorized the United States to enter into a plea bargain with a terrorist wanted in India? If, as a commentator rightly pointed out, the attack had happened in the US mainland, and India had entered into a plea bargain with the terrorist attacker, would America have stood for it? It would have got its man, whether or not it had to storm Tihar or Arthur Road Jail, or bomb North and South Block.

But because the terms of engagement with the United States are unequal, because India cannot pressure America to give up Headley, we have to stand being joked around about the outlandish possibility of the Pakistani terrorist violating his terms to stay alive. It is a joke on India and it is savage humour directed at the victims of the 26 November 2008 terrorism. The US judge who sentenced Headley felt more intensely for the 26/11 victims than the Indian government, especially Manmohan Singh, who cannot wait for an opportunity to cuddle up to the United States.

With each passing day, it becomes clear that Manmohan Singh cannot be expected to or relied upon to protect India’s interests. The UPA-1 government subverted Parliament to win a corrupt confidence vote in favour of the nuclear deal. Although late in doing so, the principled Left parties walked out of the government. The Manmohan Singh government and the Congress party used coercion a second time, weeks ago, to work a parliamentary majority, thin as it turned out, for FDI in multi-brand retail. The Supreme Court has adopted an extraordinarily questioning posture on the impact of such FDI on Indian small retail, leading to predicable complaints of turf encroachment by sections of the government and the lackey media. Indian public opinion, however, cannot be forever steamrollered on Manmohan Singh’s strenuous bid to make India a subordinate partner of the United States, which is in terminal decline, headed by a president who cannot return the country to greatness. :ouch:

Till Manmohan Singh remains prime minister, India’s interests will be compromised vis-a-vis the United States. Under the rapidly foolish illusion that America would fight a long war in Afghanistan, India made strategic investments which have turned out dud. This writer wrote in vain to follow the previous Northern Alliance route, which would have struck productive new relations with Russia, the Central Asian states and Iran. Because the United States must withdraw peacefully from Afghanistan, India must hold its peace with Pakistan at any cost, including the beheading of its soldiers. This sell-off on the part of the Indian government is called “realism”, and doubtless, the 35-year sentence to David Headley will be hailed by the pro-American big media, with some expert behind-the-scenes tutoring from aides to the prime minister. :mrgreen:

Don’t we know all this?

The fact that David Headley has gotten away with his life is a crying shame, and prime minister Manmohan Singh must squarely face blame for this.



Looks like the idea of Munich and sell out are being used openly. No threats of suing them unlike here.

Three strikes in less than a month:Delhi gang Rape and Delhi Bullice incompetence, Indian soldiers beheading on Indian side of LOC and now lollipop sentence to Daoud Gilani and exoneration of Tawahur rana from role in terrorist attacks on India.


Hindu:

Justice tinged with betrayal

On the contrary it reeks of betrayal and not just tinged.

By:
Narayan Lakshman

It happened the instant I took my seat in the large, well-lit courtroom of District Judge Harry Leinenweber. Until that point I had been too busy with logistics, dealing with Chicago’s icy flurries and simply focused on ensuring that I got a chance to witness the remarkable proceedings that were about to unfold before me.

But the moment I finally sat down in that room and a tall, well-built man in grey track pants and sweatshirt walked in, I was left with little doubt about how momentous the next 90 minutes were going to be. Standing ramrod straight with legs slightly apart and hands behind his back, military-style, was none other than Daood Gilani, aka David Coleman Headley.

In 90 minutes from that point, he would be handed a sentence of 35 years, as recommended by the U.S. Department of Justice. In 90 minutes from that point, the broken families and friends of 166 victims of his terror in Mumbai would have to find some way to cope with that reality. But beyond those 90 minutes, would India be able to come to terms with a sentence most Indians regard as lenient?

One thing is for sure — the intensity of emotion surrounding this case from its early days has been unprecedented. Ever since the web of deceit Headley wove masterfully around multiple agencies across the world came unravelled, difficult questions were raised about why the U.S. permitted Headley to travel to India even after his family and associates warned authorities about his terror links.

Indian law enforcement also found itself in a frustrating morass of dead ends over fervent appeals to have Headley extradited under existing treaties New Delhi has with Washington. Although India’s National Investigative Agency was permitted seven days’ access to the terror mastermind in early June 2010, the plea bargain that the U.S. Department of Justice struck with Headley precluded any prospect of continuing his interrogation on Indian soil.


Kicking off the proceedings, U.S. Attorneys Daniel Collins and Sarah Streicker argued that they concurred that a crime that had various beencalled “despicable,” “shocking,” “deplorable,” and so forth required a punishment of appropriate magnitude. :mrgreen:

Yet under what is known as Guideline 5K1.1 of the Federal Sentencing Guidelines Manual, the prosecution noted that the court may allow “downward departure” from guidelines that require, for example, life imprisonment, when the defendant has “provided substantial assistance in the investigation or prosecution of another person who has committed an offence.” Thus it was that both the U.S. Attorneys argued for 35 years.

A footnote that appeared to escape the notice of many was the U.S. Department of Justice’s press release on the sentence, according to which “Defendants must serve at least 85 per cent of their sentence.” Lead prosecutor Gary Shapiro also said in a post-sentencing media briefing that Headley, now 52 years of age, may be in his 70s when released, suggesting that he might escape with even less time in jail than 35 years. :mrgreen:

But Headley’s defence lawyers took it one step further. They argued that given that Headley was 52 years of age and a 35-year sentence would in effect be a life sentence, a lower sentence would send the correct signal to future defendants in terror cases who were considering whether to cooperate with law enforcement rather than plead not guilty and go to trial.

Judge Leinenweber wasted little time in pushing past the defence’s arguments, noting that Headley continued to pose a danger to society as evidenced by his view, shared with his Lashkar-i-Taiba comrade Sajid Mir, that “all Danes” were responsible for the offending cartoons in Danish magazine Jyllands-Posten and hence were legitimate targets. Reflecting on the parallel in the Mumbai attacks, Headley had said that “all Indians” were responsible for the death of Pakistanis in Kashmir.

However when the judge suggested that the “downward departure” that was being requested for Headley would not keep society at large safe from any future actions of the man, Headley’s defence lawyers Robert Seeder and John Thomas argued that this was still too harsh, from the point of view of co-defendant Tahawwur Rana receiving 14 years in prison despite not entering into a plea bargain with the U.S. government as Headley did. :mrgreen:

Defence arguments also sought mitigation based on the purported remorse that Headley felt after the incident, the interest he had expressed in “American values and the American way of life,” and the fact that he confessed to his role in the Mumbai attacks even before authorities realised that the man they had arrested in 2009 in connection to the Danish plot was also behind the Indian tragedy.

{This was self serving confession. For by the treaty between India and US he would have ebnn liable to extradition to India where he would have joined Kasab and be hanged. SO he protected him self by his plea bargain. And US went along with it to keep him in US custody and prevent their aiding and abetting the 26/11 attack.}


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Hearing the victim accounts, however, what came to my mind were the faces of the many hundreds of our own that would never been seen here in Chicago, the voices that would never be heard in this courtroom, the lives forever ripped apart by what can only be described as a calculated brutality.

In the face of the continued suffering of victim families in India, pressure is building on the Government of India to not passively accept the outcome of the Headley case that has been thrust upon it.
Although the U.S. government’s plea bargain with Headley has effectively slammed the door shut on New Delhi’s face, there may be legal and diplomatic means to gradually re-open that door. Mr. Shapiro said after the sentencing that the plea bargain would be voided if Headley was considered to be not fully cooperating — a potential loophole to exploit to put the extradition option back on the table.

{This is cruel joke by Mr Shapiro.For it will the US that will decide if the miscreant is cooperating or not. And loyal Hindu dutifully reports it as a sop for lla the MUTUs living in India}

Also questions about undisclosed reasons why the U.S. has sought to so indefatigably protect its adopted citizen from facing a more honest justice in India are likely to be asked again. After all, Headley’s intimate embroilment as an informant to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency must have left him with powerful influence within the machinery of the administration.



Hindu news report about the feeble Indian response or rather a whimper of a lying cur:


Govt Slightly disappointed over qauntum of sentence given ot Gialni

Khurshi* whimpers and uses the nom de guerre instead of calling the fellow by his real name.

The US judge is more forceful in his outrage than the India govt offical representatives in MEA and MHA.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby ramana » 26 Jan 2013 04:59

More fall-out;

Sentence confirms suspicion Headley is a double agent for US

Lots of known stuff but crucial is this

...
A government source said Headley would be 88, when he is eligible for release from the US prison, as the 35-year-term from a federal court came with no provision for parole and he must serve at least 85% of the sentence before being considered for a five-year-supervised release.

"The US government decision to only demand a 30-35 year sentence for Headley only confirms our suspicion that he was a double agent - for the US and LeT," the source said, adding that even if an Indian court convicts Headley in the event of him deposing by video-conferencing, the US will not hand him over before he completes his sentence there.



So some realization that they had been taken for ride all along by US....

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby Virupaksha » 26 Jan 2013 05:37

Wiki clearly lays out the sequence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Head ... d_DEA_deal

Drug conviction and DEA deal
In the late 1980s, Gilani opened two video rental stores in New York City.[28] In 1987 he was first arrested on drug charges, and cooperated with the DEA in exchange for a lighter sentence.[29]
In 1997 he was arrested with another man for smuggling heroin into the country from Pakistan.[25] In exchange for information about his long-term Pakistani drug contacts, Gilani received a considerably lighter sentence than his co-defendant: fifteen months in jail and five years of supervised release. In November 1998, Headley was delivered to the low-security Federal Correctional Institution in Fort Dix. He later started a supervised release period.[30]
In July 1999, Howard Leader, Headley's attorney, requested permission for Headley to travel to Pakistan from August 10, 1999, through September 15. Judge Carol Amon granted the unusual request for the travel. On November 16, 2001, Leader and the assistant U.S. attorney Loan Hong made a joint application to Judge Amon to terminate Headley’s supervised release three years early. The Judge agreed to their request and discharged Headley from any further probation.[30] Headley traveled to Pakistan multiple times to conduct undercover surveillance operations for the Drug Enforcement Administration.[11][25] In 2002 and three times in 2003, he attended Lashkar-e-Taiba training camps in Pakistan.[27]
[edit]Domestic arrest and terror training
Gilani's 1999 trip to Pakistan was for an arranged marriage.
In 2002, he married his girlfriend of 8 years in New York.[31] They had four children together. In August 2005 Gilani was arrested in New York after a fight with his then wife.[31] His wife told federal agents that Gilani was an active member of Lashkar-e-Taiba, had trained extensively in its Pakistani camps, and had shopped for night-vision goggles and other equipment.
Gilani trained five times with Lashkar-e-Taiba at a camp in Pakistan. A 2007 court testimony by a fellow militant Willie Brigitte described the Lashkar training camp, which was guarded and supplied by Pakistan army soldiers.[4]
In October 2010, when it was revealed that Headley's wives had complained in 2005 and in 2007 to U.S. authorities about his terrorist activities to no effect, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper, Jr. undertook a review of how Headley had been handled.[12]


The 2002-04 trips to Pakistan were clearly US taxpayer funded trips. Those 50000 to Laskhar-e-Toiba were clearly from the US tax coffers.

The only question, how long was he a US agent. Was he one during his trips to India, I am betting he is.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby g.sarkar » 26 Jan 2013 08:35

ArmenT wrote: With good behavior, he could be out in far less time than 35 years. It should have been 35 years without the option of parole.

Murders and other violent crimes usually mean that 85% time must be completed, per California law ( Fed will be similar). With non-violent crime one does only 50% pf the sentence. But with so many US deaths normal sentence would have been Life without parole (LWOP) or something indefinite like 40 or 50 years to life, with enhancements for special circumstances, where after 40 to 50 years he would be eligible for parole. But the fact that he got a definite length sentence, means that the prosecution was pressured in some way by the US government. But after he completes 85% of 35 years, his usefulness to the US government (and the secrets that he bears) would be over. This shows clearly that it was not an usual sentencing.
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Postby ramana » 27 Jan 2013 05:09

We need to know more about his lawyer Howard Leader.

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Postby ramana » 20 Mar 2013 02:35

One charitable assesment of David Headley episode is that it was US infiltration attempt of LeT that went awry. The infiltrator joined the gang they were trying to infiltrate.

The uncharitable one is always there.


NPR interview for memory:

Perfect Terrorist

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Postby ramana » 20 Mar 2013 03:25

Four Questions about Mumbai Terror attack


Q. Why doesn’t Pakistan capture Sajid Mir?

Q. What was the full extent of the role of Pakistani intelligence in Mumbai?

Q. What risk does Lashkar-e-Taiba pose in the future?

Q. Why didn’t U.S. authorities stop Headley sooner?



Read the link for the answers and decide for yourself.

Agents learned about the previous FBI inquiries, which connected Headley to Lashkar and Mumbai. But U.S. authorities did not warn Indian law enforcement or issue a travel alert for him. It took another seven months and a tip from British intelligence to open the investigation that resulted in his capture.

“It is a puzzling question,” said Patrick Blegen, Swift’s co-counsel in the Chicago case. “It could be explained by ineptitude. Or it could be that the federal agencies had some comfort with him, they didn’t think he was a threat because he had been an informant in the past.”



The British angle was never explored by India yet. And despite MMS much vaunted British connections!

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby ramana » 20 Mar 2013 09:11

That last part is very interesting.

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Postby ramana » 22 Mar 2013 03:51

When you go back over the aftermath reports from the journalists one thing strikes you in the face hard.

All the non-Indian contacts(ex and current wives, mother's friend etc.) of Daoud Gilani aka David Coleman Headley made genuine repeated efforts to contact the police authroites or diplomats both in Pakistan and in USA.

However none of the Indian contacts for example Rahul Bhatt, trainer guy, boat guy or all those Bollywood people Rahul Bhatt introduced to DCH ever felt the need to contact Indian police or any authorities even after the large number of people were killed in the Mumbai attacks. Rahul Bhatt is on record saying he was with DCH in Leopold Cafe and other jaunts were being surveyed for targets. Yet when all those attacks happened he never felt the guilt of being a part of the survey team and told the police.

This something that deserves more introspection of the Bollywood glitteratti.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby chaanakya » 22 Mar 2013 13:33

Why, when Sanjay Dutt got his hand on AK 47 he did not report it to the police or to even his father. Bollywood is run as a big laundry machine and D is the center of it.

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Postby ramana » 27 Mar 2013 02:24

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It's because we are occupied with the irrelevant, like, whether Sanjay Dutt should be pardoned, that the relevant escapes our attention. This is the main reason why the terrorists get to attack us repeatedly

Ever since the Supreme Court pronounced its verdict on March 21 in the 1993 Mumbai blasts case, media space has been occupied by strident calls for pardon to film star Sanjay Dutt. There has been an equally vociferous demand that he must undergo the punishment. The obsession with his case is understandable because he is a celebrity with a larger-than-life image. But it’s disappointing that little attention has been paid to one of the most critical observations of the apex court. It’s to do with the functioning of state agencies, whose blunders contributed to the terrorist attack.

The apex court has, inter alia, said: “It will not be an overstatement to state that, if not for the help of the Customs officials, they (convicts) would not have been in a position to smuggle the weapons required for the blasts… Corruption among public servants indicates a failure of our system where personal gratification subdues the public interest.” They also observed that “all grades of Customs officers, including Commissioners of Customs, played an active role as members of conspiracy and implemented the plan.”

The two-judge Bench of Justices P Sathasivam and BS Chauhan also spoke of the failure of the Coast Guard and rapped Mumbai Police. The judges remarked, “Unfortunately, in the present case the police officers themselves have taken active part in smuggling and transportation of arms and explosives in Bombay…”

These are strong words indeed, and our policy makers must heed them rather than allow their energy to be sapped in a senseless exercise of defending or castigating an individual. But it’s precisely because we are occupied with irrelevance that the relevant escapes our attention. This is the main reason why we continue to be attacked. The failure of various state agencies, besides the actions of those who play politics with terror, has contributed to India’s image of being a soft target. Few senior officials have been punished for such lapses, whether in the 1993 case or in connection with terrorist strikes thereafter.

The other unfortunate thing is that our intelligence agencies have become subservient to the parochial interests of the politicians in power, serving more the cause of the latter’s vote-bank than the security of the country. Worse, these officials are then rewarded for their inefficiency. In his book, Indian Mujahideen, Shishir Gupta speaks of many intelligence failures and the complete lack of accountability for these lapses on the part of the officials concerned. He writes about the change (for the worse) after the Congress-led UPA Government took charge, MK Narayanan became the National Security Adviser after the demise of JN Dixit, and ESL Narasimhan became director, R&AW. Gupta comments on the changes, “Narayanan and Narasimhan were more comfortable with party politics and the need to protect the Left-supported UPA Government… From February 2005 to November 2008, the internal security establishment was more focused on collecting political intelligence rather than uprooting the jihadist modules in India."

The result of this approach, as we all know, was 26/11, when our security and intelligence establishment was caught off-guard. Gupta then adds how the regime responded to this failure:[b] “(Then Union Minister for Home Affairs) Shivraj Patil and MK Narayanan were ‘reassigned’ after 26/11, and made Governors of Punjab and West Bengal respectively for their loyal work in the past.”
So much for accountability!

But it was not that the UPA Government merely rewarded criminal non-performance; it was also extra-soft on Islamist fundamentalists.[/b] The author observes, “Preparing to win back Uttar Pradesh from the minority-supported Samajwadi Party in the 2007 Assembly elections, New Delhi’s message down the line was to not adopt a proactive stance against rising Islamic fundamentalism.” We are seeing the result.

The Congress-led regime had initially rubbished the rise of home-grown terror and what we now know as the ‘Indian Mujahideen’, comprising members who have been fed and brainwashed by their handlers living in Pakistan, with a militant version of Islam and hatred for India. The shocking support by some prominent members of the Congress for the terrorists involved in the Batla House encounter where a brave Delhi Police officer lost his life fighting militants was just one of the many instances of the mindset that prevails among members of the ruling combine towards home-grown terror. The more recent ones include the outpouring of sympathy for Afzal Guru from members of the UPA.

It’s then no wonder that state agencies have lost the appetite to be tough or vigilant. The book, Headley and I, offers many shocking accounts of the indifference to national security. Co-authored by S Hussain Zaidi and Rahul Bhatt (film-maker Mahesh Bhatt’s son; he had the misfortune of coming in close contact with David Coleman Headley who prepared the ground for the 26/11 carnage and the German Bakery attack in Pune), it offers an insight into the contempt that enemies of India hold for the country’s inefficient state apparatus. While responding to Indian intelligence sleuths who had gone to the US to interrogate him, the Pakistani-American Headley spoke of how easily he came to India without anyone at the airport counters or elsewhere noticing the glaring errors on his travel documents. He had discarded his earlier name, Daood Gilani, rechristened himself to avoid arousing suspicion, and was armed with a new passport. According to the book, he told the interrogators, “Surprisingly, there were quite a few errors in my passport and visa that nobody noticed, certainly not the Indian agencies. My father’s name was not mentioned in the passport, and the visa in the name of David Coleman Headley had the father’s name as Salim Gilani. But nobody questioned this. That’s why I say that Indians are chu****s.” Headley also told them about the contempt with which Pakistani state and non-state actors held Indian intelligence.

Coleman was naturally thrilled to recount the lapse. If only the Indian agencies had looked a little more closely at the travel documents and cross-checked with the US — as they should have done — they would have discovered that even the social security number of Headley matched with that of Daood Gilani. Had the errors been noticed, had he been detained and questioned thereafter, we could have pre-empted the 26/11 strikes in Mumbai — and many other terrorist attacks. We would have had Headley in our custody and secured far more information than we now have. But we don’t seem to have learnt the lesson that our state agencies must become professional and remain constantly on alert.

In the midst of this national obsession, we have yet another reminder that something is deeply rotten with the functioning of our security set-up. Two State police forces are locked in a confrontation on whether one Liaquat Ali Shah, a militant nabbed in Gorakhpur, had come to execute terror attacks or to surrender! If this is the state of affairs, we can only brace for another terror attack. The last happened very recently in Hyderabad.

Because, all that we are occupied with, is: Should Sanjay Dutt be pardoned or sent to jail?



There have been systemic failures since the 1993 Mumbai terror blasts that fianlly led to the 11/26 attack.

One odd thing for me has India followed up with the UK on its knowldege of David Headley? It was a tipoff from UK that led to his arrest by FBI!!!

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Postby ramana » 05 Apr 2013 03:28

The oddest thing about the DCH case is that the guy was arrested by US based on a tip-off from UK.
Note UK despite its many connections with India did not tip-off India!!!
This leads me to the idea maybe it was the reverse that India was going to arrest DCH and had discussed this with UK or UK came to know and tipped off US to aovid the embarassment.

Meanwhile the number of Indian defences that were broken by DCH
- MEA visa application in Chicago. This is handled by IB.
- Airport transits in India. This is handled by IB.
- DCH registering in hotels in Delhi. Again Delhi Police a sister org of IB checks the registers
- DCH running around in Mumbai with known KDs, renting boats etc. Again ATS or Special Branch would come to know.
-DCH flouting many norms and making repeat flights to India sometimes from TSP. Again IB would notice

-The oddest is the fisherwoman claiming after DCH arrest, to have been interviewed by him as part of some US team of investigators.

So most likely India was going to reel him in on his next visit.

This info came to UK notice and was sent to US.

And recall the odd remarks of MMS to MKN when he wanted to quit: "You tried your best. It didn't work out" or something like that.

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Postby Klaus » 05 Apr 2013 13:05

Is this plausible?

. The DEA is alarmed at the rise of Islamist memes within Mexican & Colombian drug cartels, it faces the direct fallout of actions resulting from said memes. Recently, the US homeland has also become a point of convergence for the trans-Eurasian and Latin American drug cartels and networks.
. The DEA wishes to snap these networks and break the convergence within the homeland by investigating the source of Islamist memes, i.e the trans-Eurasian narco-networks. DCH is the person allotted to this task, the INR 50,000/- paid to Hafiz Saeed may also be DEA money.
. The DEA's objectives are in direct opposition to British financed trans-national networks. UK takes advantage of the fact that the DEA and FBI/CIA do not see eye to eye on a lot of issues. It uses the tag of "special relationship" and other trans-Atlantic verbal bait to restrict DCH to within the US homeland. DCH interrogation within Indian soil is seen as a threat which may give the GoI/NIA/other Indian agencies some arm-twisting handle to use against the Londonistan financed transnational networks
. A lot of regionalism/factionalism and stereotyping at play within US agencies, the DEA is seen primarily as a US-Mexico border/regional authority by the other agencies. Fortunately for the US image, a lot of this stays behind the scenes.
. UK wins out this time as it has used inherent American loopholes to blindside the US, while its involvement with the Eurasian drug cartels lies hidden for the time being. The DEA might have eventually satisfied itself with the info it obtained from DCH during the initial days of the trial. It remains to be seen whether any of the info on the Mexican/Colombian front is actually 'actionable' or whether the DEA has proceeded with repeated attempts at realizing its objectives.

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Postby Lalmohan » 05 Apr 2013 14:05

the british connection could also be learning that headley was looking into an attack in denmark, which as we know from US sources was what precipitated the arrest

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Postby kish » 12 Apr 2013 02:00

I don't know what kind of communication India has with Canadian intelligence Agency (Canadian Security Intelligence Service "CSIS"), this group may have intelligence which is valuable to India.

Stop praying for defeat of ‘Kufaar’

Here we go again. Yet another group of Canadian Muslims itching for jihad has been discovered. This time, not only did they plot jihad, two of them died fighting one.

For years now, Canadians have been reading about Islamist-inspired terror-plots with dismay. No sooner do they get over one plot, another emerges. These include the failed Millennium bomber Ahmed Ressam, al-Qaida linked Omar Khadr, Ottawa digi-bomber Momin Khawaja, the Toronto-18, the Mumbai 2008-fame Tahawwur Rana, the still unnamed Arab-Canadian who allegedly blew up a bus full of Israelis in Bulgaria. And now we hear about Ali Medlej, Xristos Katsiroubas and maybe Aaron Yoon from London, Ontario.

And there is more in the pipeline.

Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) are reportedly monitoring 50 to 60 Canadians suspected of being involved in jihadi groups. Recently, AFP in Pakistan interviewed a Canadian who goes by the name Mohammad Ibrahim. He claims to have completed terror training in Pakistan and was “preparing to leave” and ready to wag jihad inside Canada.

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Postby ramana » 17 Jun 2013 20:55

X-post....
This is a bit rich. To claim they needed NSA monitoring on their own double agent despite the Brits having alerted them about their own guy!!!

Defenders of NSA surveillance omit most of Mumbai plotter’s story

Officials say National Security Agency intercepts stopped David Coleman Headley’s planned attack in Denmark, but sources say a tip from the British led to his capture after the U.S. failed for years to connect multiple reports of terror ties

Defending a vast program to sweep up phone and Internet data under antiterror laws, senior U.S. officials in recent days have cited the case of David Coleman Headley, a key plotter in the deadly 2008 Mumbai attacks.

James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, said a data collection program by the National Security Agency helped stop an attack on a Danish newspaper for which Headley did surveillance. And Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the Senate intelligence chairwoman, also called Headley's capture a success.

But a closer examination of the case, drawn from extensive reporting by ProPublica, shows that the government surveillance only caught up with Headley after the U.S. had been tipped by British intelligence. And even that victory came after seven years in which U.S. intelligence failed to stop Headley as he roamed the globe on missions for Islamic terror networks and Pakistan's spy agency.

Supporters of the sweeping U.S. surveillance effort say it’s needed to build a haystack of information in which to find a needle that will stop a terrorist. In Headley’s case, however, it appears the U.S. was handed the needle first — and then deployed surveillance that led to the arrest and prosecution of Headley and other plotters.

Failure to connect

As ProPublica has previously documented, Headley’s case shows an alarming litany of breakdowns in the U.S. counterterror system that allowed him to play a central role in the massacre of 166 people in Mumbai, among them six Americans.

A mysterious Pakistani-American businessman and ex-drug informant, Headley avoided arrest despite a half dozen warnings to federal agents about extremist activities from his family and associates in different locales. If those leads from human sources had been investigated more aggressively, authorities could have prevented the Mumbai attacks with little need for high-tech resources, critics say.

“The failure here is the failure to connect systems,” said a U.S. law enforcement official who worked on the case but is not cleared to discuss it publicly. “Everybody had information in their silos, and they didn’t share across the silos. Headley in my mind is not a successful interdiction of a terrorist. It’s not a great example of how the system should work.” :rotfl:

Officials from Clapper’s office reiterated last week that he was referring to the prevention of Headley’s follow-up role in a Mumbai-style attack against Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten newspaper, a prime target because it published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that many Muslims found offensive. To that extent, Clapper’s comment shed a bit of new light on this aspect of a labyrinthine case.

Separately last week, NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander told a Senate committee that surveillance conducted by his agency helped disrupt “dozens” of attacks aimed at the U.S. and elsewhere. According to The Washington Post, Alexander cited the Headley case and promised to make more information public about the success of the NSA’s phone surveillance program, which captures “metadata” such as number, time and location of but not the content of calls.

In January, a federal judge in Chicago imposed a 35-year prison sentence on Headley, 51, for his role in Mumbai and the foiled newspaper plot. He got a reduced sentence because he testified at the federal trial in Chicago of his accomplice, Tahawurr Rana, who was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

Headley confessed to doing undercover surveillance in Mumbai for the Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist group and Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI). U.S. officials also charged a major in the ISI with serving as Headley’s handler before the attack in November 2008. Pakistan denies involvement.

Detected by the British

In early 2009, according to trial testimony, Lashkar and the ISI sent Headley on a surveillance mission to Denmark. After he returned to Pakistan, his Lashkar and ISI handlers backed off. But Headley continued the plot with support from al-Qaida, whose leaders wanted a team of gunmen to attack the newspaper offices in Copenhagen, take hostages and throw their severed heads out of the windows.

Headley returned to Europe from Chicago for a second reconnaissance mission that July. The official version has been that he was detected at this point — but not by U.S. agencies.

Instead, U.S. and European counterterror officials have told ProPublica in interviews that British intelligence learned of Headley’s contact with al-Qaida operatives near Manchester, England, who were already under surveillance. Headley planned to meet with the extremists in hopes they would supply money, arms and personnel for the Denmark attack.

“Headley was an unknown until not long before his arrest,” a senior U.S. counterterrorism official told ProPublica in 2010.

“He came to light because of the British. They knew him only as ‘David the American.’ [The British] MI5 [security service] detected that he was in contact with a group in the U.K. that they were watching ... David had made direct contact with two of the main targets of the U.K. investigation.”

Scandinavian visits

On July 23, 2009, the FBI asked U.S. Customs and Border Protection analysts in Washington, D.C., for assistance in identifying a suspect who would travel shortly from Chicago via Frankfurt to Manchester, according to U.S. officials interviewed in 2011. The tip described a suspected American associate of Lashkar or al-Qaida with only his first name, flight itinerary and the airline, officials said. The customs analysts identified Headley through their databases containing records of his previous travel and interviews by U.S. border inspectors.

Headley went on to Sweden and Denmark. Alerted by U.S. agencies, Danish intelligence officers followed him as he scouted targets in Copenhagen and tried to find sources for guns, according to court records and interviews with counterterror officials. In the United States, court-approved FBI surveillance continued after his return in August and until his arrest that October, according to counterterror officials and court records.

Officials in Clapper’s office declined to comment on accounts of the British tip. But they said that information lawfully gathered under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was integral to disrupting the attempted attacks on the Danish newspaper. This does not rule out other sources of information at other points in the investigation, the officials said. :rotfl: :rotfl:

Separately, the U.S. law enforcement official familiar with the case also said last week that a British communications intercept first detected Headley. Because the NSA works closely with its British counterparts, at that point U.S. intelligence agencies likely became involved in reviewing communications records to identify Headley and begin tracking his movements and associates, the official said.

“It was a communications intercept involving a bad guy in England,” the law enforcement official said. “It was the Brits who passed us the info. Without knowing all the gritty technical details, [Clapper's depiction] definitely fits with my understanding.”

The 30,000-page case file in Chicago remains wrapped in secrecy. Prosecutors have not said how investigators first detected Headley. Once he was under investigation by the Chicago field office of the FBI, agents intercepted his calls and emails and retrieved NSA intercepts of previous communications to build the case, according to court documents and ProPublica interviews. During questioning after his arrest, FBI agents confronted him with information from NSA intercepts as well as foreign intelligence agencies, the senior counterterror official said.

“What it may have allowed them to do is to go back and find emails and calls and map his movements,” said Charles Swift, a lawyer for Rana, the Chicago accomplice.

Headley began cooperating after his arrest, turning over his computer and giving the FBI access to his email accounts. Swift said he is not aware of anything in the case to suggest that the disputed NSA programs identified Headley, though he acknowledged that defense lawyers were not shown the government application for a warrant to monitor Headley under FISA.

Missed Mumbai

Swift called the case a dramatic example of the limits of the U.S. counterterror system because both high-tech and human resources failed to prevent the Mumbai attacks. :rotfl:

“You have to know what you are looking for and what you are looking at,” Swift said. “Headley’s the classic example. They missed Mumbai completely.”

The Headley case is also problematic because of his murky past.

The convicted drug smuggler radicalized and joined Lashkar in Pakistan in the late 1990s while spying on Pakistani heroin traffickers as a paid informant for the Drug Enforcement Administration. His associates first warned federal agencies about his Islamic extremism days after the Sept. 11 attacks. Investigators questioned him in front of his DEA handlers in New York, and he was cleared.

U.S. prosecutors then made the unusual decision to end Headley’s probation for a drug conviction three years early. He then hurried to Pakistan and began training in Lashkar terror camps. Although the DEA insists he was deactivated in early 2002, some U.S., European and Indian officials suspect that he remained an informant in some capacity and that the DEA or another agency sent him to Pakistan to spy on terrorists. Those officials believe his status as an operative or former informant may have deflected subsequent FBI inquiries.

The FBI received new tips in 2002 and in 2005 when Headley’s wife in New York had him arrested for domestic violence and told counterterror investigators about his radicalism and training in Pakistan. Inquiries were conducted, but he was not interviewed or placed on a watch list, officials have said.

{Clear case of being adouble agent sent to build credibility with TSP outfits.}

Headley was recruited in 2006 by ISI officers, who with Lashkar oversaw his missions, according to Headley's trial testimony and other court records.

{The ISI took the bait by 2006.}

In late 2007 and early 2008, another wife told U.S. embassy officials in Islamabad that Headley was a terrorist and a spy, describing his frequent trips to Mumbai and his stay at the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel. In fact, Headley was conducting meticulous surveillance on the Taj and other targets for an impending attack by a seaborne squad of gunmen.

Once again, U.S. agencies say they did not question or monitor him because the information from the wife was not specific enough.

{Here it could be possible that DCH was an US agent provocateur being setup as a cover to induce TSP to induct him.}


‘Double agent’

Senior Indian officials believe the U.S. government did not need high-tech resources to spot Headley. They have alleged publicly that he was a U.S. double agent all along. U.S. officials strenuously deny that. They say Headley simply slipped through the cracks of a system in which overwhelmed agencies struggle to track threats and to communicate internally and with each other.


The final tip to authorities about Headley came from a family friend days after the Mumbai attacks. This time, FBI agents in Philadelphia questioned a cousin of Headley’s. The cousin lied, saying Headley was in Pakistan when he was actually at home in Chicago, according to trial testimony and court documents. The cousin alerted Headley about the FBI inquiry, but Headley went to Denmark as planned.

U.S. agencies did not find Headley or warn foreign counterparts about him in the first half of 2009 while he conducted surveillance in Denmark and India and met and communicated with ISI officers and known Lashkar and al-Qaida leaders.




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Postby ramana » 08 Feb 2016 09:43

DCH has turned approved in 26/11 case and giving deposition today.

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Postby Raja Ram » 08 Feb 2016 11:30

Dawood Gilani testimony reveals that he has visited India post 26/11. It cannot be without active knowledge of the USG. How is that possible that they did not share or tip off Indian agencies after 26/11. I know that this fellow travelled from Pakistan, but was he not under surveillance in the US ? How did he go over to Pakistan and he was left untracked to visit India.

PC claimed post 26/11, they had increased monitoring and would have picked up a person like Dawood Gilani in an interview on TV as I recall. How did the Indian intelligence not pick up DG post 26/11?

Think this point needs further pursuing.

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Postby SSridhar » 08 Feb 2016 16:06

Raja Ram, IIRC, Gilani's post-26/11 visit was revealed even earlier. I do not see any new revelation.

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Postby ramana » 09 Feb 2016 03:39

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Postby ramana » 09 Feb 2016 03:47

Please collect all reports of DCH deposition from as many sources as possible.
TOI types think there is no new info

Meanwhile Mumbai Mirror quotes PTI:

DCH - Two attempts before 26/11 failed


In the first deposition on a terror act from foreign soil, Pakistani-American LeT operative David Headley on Monday told a court here via video-link that Pakistani terrorists attempted to attack Mumbai twice before the 26/11 strikes that killed 166 people but failed both times.

In his deposition which began at 7 AM, Headley said that he was a "true follower of LeT" and came to India eight times--seven before the terror attack on November 26, 2008 and once after that.

Headley, who was made an approver in the 26/11 case, said that his main contact in LeT was Sajid Mir, also an accused in the case.

He told the court that LeT made two unsuccessful attempts to carry out terror attacks before finally striking in November 2008, once in September and another in October.

{Why did these attacks fail?}

Headley said that he joined LeT after being "influenced" by its head Hafeez Saeed and took his first "course" with them in 2002 at Muzaffarabad.

Headley, who is currently serving 35 years prison sentence in the US for his role in the terror attacks, also said he changed his name from Dawood Gilani to David Headley in 2006 so that he could enter India and set up some business.

"I applied for change in name on February 5, 2006 in Philadelphia. I changed my name to David Headley to get a new passport under that name. I wanted a new passport so that I could enter India with an American identity.

"After I got a new passport I disclosed it to my colleagues in LeT of which one of them was Sajid Mir, the person with whom I was dealing with. The objective for coming to India was to set up an office/business so that I can live in India. Before the first visit, Sajid Mir gave me instructions to make a general video of Mumbai," Headley told the court here.

Headley also said that in his Indian visa application he had furnished all "wrong" information "to protect his cover".

He reportedly visited India many times between 2006 and 2008, drew maps, took video footage and scouted several targets for the attacks including the Taj Hotel, Oberoi Hotel and Nariman House.

His reconnaissance provided vital information for the 10 LeT terrorists and their handlers, who launched the attack.


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Postby Avarachan » 09 Feb 2016 08:26

As I've written before on BRF, the activities of DCH can only be understood within the political-strategic-military context of the time. Study the timelines of the nuclear deal, the Agni-3 induction (which has global reach with a light warhead), the development of Agni-5, and the nuclear liability act. What was really going on will become quite obvious. For instance, it's no accident that the poison-pill nuclear liability act (which infuriated the Amreeki Deep State) was passed just several weeks after the announcement in the Lok Sabha that the Agni-3 was ready for induction.

Headley was an agent provocateur for the Amreeki Deep State. The logistical support provided by Amreeka's junior partner in crime from the Med should not be overlooked, either. Congrats to the many factions within India who understood the truth, fulfilled their patriotic duties, and refused to fall in to the trap.

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Postby SSridhar » 09 Feb 2016 11:32

Not admissible in Pak. court: Lakhvi’s lawyer - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu
On a day when LeT operative David Coleman Headley deposed in a Mumbai court through a video link from a U.S. prison, the lawyer of Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, one of the main conspirators of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, termed the proceedings a “sham” and said it “would not affect the trial against his client in Pakistan.”

Raja Rizwan Abbasi, counsel for Lakhvi, told The Hindu on the phone that Lakhvi was with his family in Okara, Pakistan, and was involved in “social welfare” now. {So, what was he doing before?} “It is a known fact that Headley was an agent of the U.S. and he was working for them. Why did the U.S authorities take 7-8 years to make this proposition to the Indian authorities to make him an approver? Whatever he says in the Indian court will not be admissible in a Pakistani court because in that case Headley will have to come here, stay in a Pakistani prison and then depose against Lakhvi,” Mr. Abbasi said.

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Postby Peregrine » 09 Feb 2016 15:53

US ready to help India to bring 26/11 perpetrators to justice
WASHINGTON: The US has said it is committed to assist India in bringing perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks to justice after Pakistani-American key LeT operative David Coleman Headley in his first deposition told a court that Pakistani terrorists conducted 26/11 strikes after two failed attempts.
"The United States is committed to doing all we can to assist the government of India in pursuing every possible lead to bring to justice those responsible for that attack to the fullest extent permitted by US law," state department spokesman John Kirby told reporters.
"Certainly, it's indicative of our commitment to making sure the perpetrators of that attack are brought to justice and I think it's indicative of a close relationship with India, again, in a law enforcement realm but across all others as well," Kirby said.
Kirby was responding to questions on the deposition by Pakistani-American terrorist Headley, who on Monday told a Mumbai court via a video-link from the US how his outfit had planned the 26/11 attacks and executed it after two failed attempts and gave details of the role played by ISI whose three officials he named.
Headley, who is serving 35-year prison sentence in the US for his role in the Mumbai attacks, spoke about the role of LeT founder Hafiz Saeed, another LeT commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi as well as his handler in the outfit Sajid Mir.
"We'll always look to try to improve our cooperation across all different aspects of the relationship. I don't want to prejudge or presuppose here based on this testimony, that that it has a strategic value here. That's not for me to speak to," Kirby said.
This was a decision and this was an event set up and established by Department of Justice, Kirby said, adding the US has a very strong relationship with India on a lot of levels and law enforcement is one of them.
Described himself as a "true follower of LeT", Headley also admitted during his examination by special prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam that he joined the ranks of LeT after getting "influenced and motivated" by the speeches of Hafiz Saeed.

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Postby member_29190 » 09 Feb 2016 16:19

So David Headley has been reguarly visiting Mumbai from Pakistan ( not even US or any other country).The immigration desk manned by IB didn't even find it strange to have a supposedly "white" US citizen "immigration consultant" on business visa coming regularly from Pakistan? What was a American business man doing in Pakistan so frequently & also coming to India?

I wonder how many more david headley was let through. All you need is "look white" & have a US passport.
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Postby SSridhar » 09 Feb 2016 16:29


Do we still believe such US utterances?

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby member_29325 » 09 Feb 2016 20:39

SSridhar wrote:Do we still believe such US utterances?


Thiru SSridhar, Hope the Indian govt. does not buy this, as surely they know this will not end well for India. Short of the US assisting in the handover of Hafiz Saeed and Lakhvi and the LeT honchos in India will suffice, but what the US will do is aid the pakis in "sentencing LeT leaders to prison" with another court charade. And we all know what "prison sentences for these terrorists" mean in real terms.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby SwamyG » 09 Feb 2016 21:10

:roll: NDTV seems to bent upon show casing the current happenings as some kind of injustice. :evil: Burkha appears to be so mad; something is fishy. Some of these track-thoo people might be smaller fishes. Maybe they are afraid that their dealings will come out in the open. Some of these journalists like Burkha and Suhasini Haider are crying too much. Unable to think that they suddenly turned so nationalist. Burkha has met Sharif again. There is some daal in the stones only.

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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby ramana » 10 Feb 2016 04:53

SwamyG, DCH turning approver is a coup for MAD. Hence the outrage.
The belief was that he would be in US custody out of reach of India and the Indian collaborators would be under the carpet.

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Postby Peregrine » 10 Feb 2016 16:58

ramana wrote:SwamyG, DCH turning approver is a coup for MAD. Hence the outrage.
The belief was that he would be in US custody out of reach of India and the Indian collaborators would be under the carpet.

ramana Ji :

MAD neither in Dictionary nor Glossary. Pls advise.
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Re: The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & c

Postby Falijee » 10 Feb 2016 18:24

Rehman Malik, Paki Ex Home Minister rubbishes Headley’s testimony
ISLAMABAD/NEW DELHI:
Pakistan’s former interior minister Rehman Malik has rubbished the testimony of David Headley before a Mumbai court about his alleged role in carrying out the deadly Mumbai attacks in November 2008.
On the second day of his video-linked testimony from an undisclosed location in the US, the Pakistani-American claimed on Tuesday Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militants planned to attack a meeting of Indian defence scientists at the Taj Mahal hotel about a year before they struck on 26/11. Headley told the court that he had attended a meeting of LeT operatives in Pakistan’s Muzzafarabad region in 2007, where the plan to kill the defence scientists was discussed.
Rehman Malik, however, accused India of trying to defame Pakistan by concocting confessions out of Headley. “His confessions are all a pack of lies and fabricated statements,” Rehman, who heads the Senate’s Standing Committee on Interior and Narcotics Control, said.
Brushing aside all “allegations levelled by India against Pakistan for ulterior motives”, the former PPP lawmaker claimed Headley was planted by Indian intelligence agency RAW for executing the Mumbai attacks and then getting concocted statements from him.
“We have the details about who paid tickets, who funded him and how he recruited non-state actors from Pakistan [for the attacks],” Rehman said.
Some things never change ! :lol:


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