People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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Postby pgbhat » 21 Jan 2010 23:35

A new war, a new frontier ---- Brahma Chellaney

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Postby putnanja » 22 Jan 2010 05:25

Don’t believe in Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai, Nehru told envoy

Four years before the 1962 war, Jawaharlal Nehru considered China “arrogant, devious, hypocritical and thoroughly unreliable” and advised his envoy to the country to bypass the then defence minister Krishna Menon in all communications from Beijing as his thinking on China was “clouded” due to his Communist background.
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Notes made by Parthasarathi reveal that Nehru did not trust the country despite the Panchsheel agreement. The notes were made after the late diplomat met Nehru for a briefing prior to his assignment in China in 1958. “So, GP, when has the foreign office told you Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai? Don’t you believe it. I don’t trust the Chinese one bit, despite Panchsheel and all that. The Chinese are arrogant, devious, hypocritical and thoroughly unreliable,” the diary entry says, quoting Nehru during the meeting on March 18, 1958.
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The diary also brings out the rift between Nehru and his defence minister on how to handle China that had embarked on a major defence modernisation drive. Exposing the mistrust, the entry quotes Nehru as saying that Menon should be bypassed in all communication regarding China. “All your telegrams should be marked ‘Top Secret’ and sent to me alone. You should be especially careful to see that Krishna does not see your telegrams. You should be very careful in your meetings and discussions with Krishna,” Nehru is quoted as saying. Nehru said while he and Menon shared a common world view, the latter allowed his “thinking and assessments to be clouded on the matter of our relations with China merely because China is Communist country”.
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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby RamaY » 22 Jan 2010 08:32

^^^

JLN has this minstrust in Menon for 4 years and did nothing about it or IA preparedness? Dal me kuch kaala hain

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Postby Philip » 22 Jan 2010 11:11

Astounding revelation! If Chacha Nehru was so mistrustful of the Chinese,what happened in the intervening years between '58 and '62 to change his mind?

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Postby Virupaksha » 22 Jan 2010 11:24

Philip wrote:Astounding revelation! If Chacha Nehru was so mistrustful of the Chinese,what happened in the intervening years between '58 and '62 to change his mind?

Unfortunately he had no strategic and military sense.

"The forward policy" by him was a stupidity in every military sense, but who could say no to him? That policy clearly showed that he didnt trust the chinese. But preparing for the treachery, that is a different ball game altogether.

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Postby wrdos » 22 Jan 2010 12:02

By AUSTIN RAMZY / BEIJING Austin Ramzy / Beijing
Thu Jan 21, 3:45 pm ET

Haiti and China: A Tale of Two Earthquakes

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... orld-yahoo

Looking for parallels to Haiti's catastrophe, many point to China. In May
2008, a magnitude 7.9 earthquake struck the southwestern province of Sichuan
, pancaking schoolhouses, buildings and homes and killing at least 68,000
people. But the ferocity of the tremor and a huge death toll may be the only
parallels between the two quake-stricken nations.

I went back to Sichuan six months after the catastrophe and was amazed at
the speed of physical and economic recovery. In Dujiangyan, the largest city
in the quake zone, the rubble and the tent cities had disappeared. The
jumble of debris was replaced by piles of new bricks, lumber and other
construction materials. There was a building boom across the region, and
dozens of temporary villages were erected to house the five million people
rendered homeless by the quake. The prefab housing was made out of blue
aluminum siding lined with styrofoam insulation. They had cement floors and
were arranged in neat rows in flat spots at the bases of the mountains.
Conditions weren't luxurious, but the camps were clean and the housing dry
and fairly warm.

I found no evidence of homelessness, though there were reports of people in
the mountains who refused to spend their rebuilding funds and chose to
remain in tents. "When you compare this to the tsunami and other major
disasters, it's rare to see something so efficient take place. It was well-
organized and well-planned. All the international people that came in spoke
very highly of this," says Ramsey Rayyis, regional representative for the
American Red Cross in China.

China has several advantages over Haiti when it comes to reconstruction.
While China's disaster affected millions, the destruction was concentrated
in rural areas and smaller towns, not a dense city. The mountainous parts of
Sichuan and surrounding provinces hit by the 2008 quake are poor, they are
not destitute; and they all had a basic standard of food and water supplies,
access to medicine and health care, transportation and communications
infrastructure. When much of that was wiped out by the quake, China's
central government responded quickly, sending tens of thousands of soldiers
and paramilitary troops to the region. They freed trapped survivors,
delivered food and water, rebuilt roads and ensured stability. I witnessed
no incidents of looting or other lawlessness when I was there in the days
immediately following the quake. While there were safety concerns due to
landslides and aftershocks, there was no danger of violence. "You do have a
strong central government, a government that's able to support the people,
and I think that makes a difference," says Rayyis. "Whereas in a place like
Haiti, that's going to be a struggle. You're going to need a lot more
external intervention."

With such speedy reconstruction, there are obviously questions about the
quality of building. At the same time, there has been an intense focus on
controlling graft. Despite allegations that corruption led to the
construction of shoddy schools in the first place, China hasn't punished
anyone for any wrongdoing that occurred before the earthquake. Grieving
parents who protested over the deaths of their children in collapsed schools
were silenced through payments and threats of punishment if they continued
their agitation. Officials have declared that the extent of the destruction
was due to the intensity of the temblor, not substandard buildings. But the
government has taken a hard line on misuse of rebuilding funds, and a
handful of people have been punished. While the size of rebuilding efforts
means that there will inevitably be some graft, the extent of official and
unofficial scrutiny means it is one of the riskier places in China to skim
funds.

In 2008 the government said it would spend $176 billion on reconstruction by
2011. (The total recovery cost is estimated at $250 billion). As of last
June it had already spent more than $50 billion. Some of the expenses have
been shouldered by other part of China. Twenty provinces have set aside 1%
of fiscal revenues for two years to help rebuild Sichuan. That's another
advantage that China has over Haiti. As a large nation with a rapidly
growing economy, it can divert money from more prosperous areas to aid one
devastated region.

Likewise, the economy of the quake zone has done well. Much of the region
was agricultural, and farmers were able to get back to work fairly soon
after the disaster. The massive rebuilding effort also provided direct
investment and job opportunities. Several of the dislocated people I met in
the temporary camps had family members working on reconstruction. Overall
the quake region produced less than 1% of China's GDP, so it did little to
slow the national growth engine. A chief concern was that rebuilding would
contribute to inflation. That was largely forgotten over the past year.

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby KaranR » 22 Jan 2010 14:54

RamaY wrote:^^^

JLN has this minstrust in Menon for 4 years and did nothing about it or IA preparedness? Dal me kuch kaala hain

Congres’s dirty tricks to paint a rosy picture of their leaders and cover-up historical blunders.
This party has perfected the art of corruption, nepotism, playing one community against another licking any white power [inferiority complex]. They have turned the nation into a spineless country. Only thing they seem to care anything with dog collar of “Gandhi”.

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Chinese villagers hail teen killer as hero
20,000 petition court for leniency in case of slain ‘bandit-like official’

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Postby Chinmayanand » 25 Jan 2010 01:18

China worried Dalai Lama might seek Indian citizenship

Beijing issued rules two years back saying that all Living Buddhas including the Dalai Lama will need to be approved by it.


Now, the Godless commies will certify the Gods.It's height of delusion.I find it tough to differentiate between a paki and a cheeni now. Paki-Cheeni bhai bhai. :rotfl:

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby harbans » 25 Jan 2010 03:03

Chinese leaders have been worried that the next incarnation of the Dalai Lama will take place outside China and far from its control. But this is the first time that the government has betrayed its worries that the Tibetan leader might actually change his citizenship.

The article pointed out that an Indian businessman, Bhupendra Kumar Modi, had claimed that the Dalai Lama would try to obtain Indian nationality if the conditions were right.


I had mentioned this a few months ago. This is old news really in a way. The problem is not so much with this Dalai Lama, it's with the next one. Most likely or if it's from AP then the Chinese claim to Tibet is debunked. Though if this Dalai Lama is also given citizenship, once again same dilemna. And all AP residents are Indian citizen holders. Hence the Chinese desperation for AP. Their legitmacy to Tibet falls apart.

India should grant the Dalai Lama citizenship. This is the first step to delegitmizing Chinese occupation of Tibet. It must be done if the Dalai Lama wants that. India however must always stand up for a free and independent Tibet. (Thats what a majority of Indian people rightfully desire, though the GOI does not reflect that in it's governance)

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby sanjaykumar » 25 Jan 2010 10:52

Will not granting Dalai Lama Indian citizenship effectively terminate the claim of Tibetan refugees to their homeland?

Not a good idea, however if the Dalai Lama wants Indian citizenship for whatever reason, he should be granted it (and made President of India, if he accepts).

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Malayappan » 25 Jan 2010 11:55

Good One. Scales seem to drop from the eyes of some people! As BC tweeted recently peaceful rise of China means everyone else remain peaceful while they rise!
Europe and an inscrutable China from the Economist
Some quotables -
their strongest words are reserved for China, accused of a refusal to accept anything touching on its sovereignty and of secretly inciting small, poor allies to obstruct a deal
China was amazingly rude at Copenhagen, sending a deputy minister to shout at with Mr Obama, for instance. Such assertiveness punctures happy Euro-dreams of a multipolar world.
The good news is that European and American views of China are converging. Arguments about engagement or containment now sound quaint, and fantasies involving China as Europe’s ally against American hegemony sound worse. China looks like a giant that has every right to rise, yet rejects many values that Europe and America share.

Read it all!

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Postby Malayappan » 25 Jan 2010 12:03

Choppy waters Another one from The Economist essentially saying
at a time of a growing perception in the West that China is flexing its muscles, countries closer to China’s shores also worry that it might be getting more assertive. Their squabbles are often aggravated by rivalry over undersea oil and gas.
It is Japan and Vietnam receiving it this time!

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Masaru » 25 Jan 2010 21:49

China claims to have '1st pop singer in Sanskrit', may present her during World Expo

The PRC strategy is extending from technology and manufacturing to cultural sphere! May be they will do more than Gobermund in India in promoting the dying language which has to be sacrificed in the altar of pseudo secularism.

"She is also called the 'first Chinese Sanskrit singer'. To Sa Dingding, who she was in the past is not important now... To preserve her new image, she must eliminate all distractions," the local government of Tibet said on its website.

Sa, who graduated from the Academy of Fine Arts run by the People's Liberation Army, sings in the language of Inner Mongolia, Tibet and in Sanskrit. Sa is not a Tibetan although she sings in Sanskrit and Tibetan and dresses in grandiose Tibetan clothing.

"We should pay more attention to her music, to the Zen sensation and Buddhist spirit in her music," it further said. The official site went on to say that "Her musical inspirations all come from Chinese civilization and culture."

Apparently, the local government is pushing her to give up song writing and singing in languages other than Sanskrit so she can be presented to the world as a symbol of China's rich cultural heritage.

"It is possible China may be trying to show that Sanskrit is part of its cultural heritage. What better way to draw world attention than to get a lovely voice to sing pop?," a Shanghai based expert on Chinese culture told TNN.{When did Sanskrit become part of Chinese cultural heritage? }

She is the first Chinese citizen to be invited for a tour of the United States by the Grammy organizing committee.


More information in wiki Sa Ding Ding

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Jarita » 25 Jan 2010 22:07

Part of the attempt to claim buddhism.

They have not understood the fundamental of dharma - the dharma that you try to appropriate will go further from you.
Abhaida Shiva - 36 states of exist. When you view what is beyond the 36 as something to covet, it becomes the 37th state and you are screwed
They will continue these games. Amazingly covetous country


The demonization of dharmic traditions in India will probably shift locus elsewhere.
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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby harbans » 25 Jan 2010 22:22

^^ Very right. Tibet (already), AP and Nepal then Bodh Gaya will be next on the list of usurpation. Chinese have no culture left. Mao wiped off what little was there. Now they want to usurp and claim Buddhism. You are right Dharma cannot be usurped. The Chinese are displaying such idiocy, when they realize it they will weep in embarassment. No wonder it was India that always bet China culturally in ancient times. Modern times they've barked up the wrong totalitarian tree also. I'll bet my bottom dollar it's a matter of only 10-15 years more and India will pip them once again. JMT though.

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Postby Masaru » 26 Jan 2010 06:58

harbans wrote:^^ Very right. Tibet (already), AP and Nepal then Bodh Gaya will be next on the list of usurpation. Chinese have no culture left. Mao wiped off what little was there. Now they want to usurp and claim Buddhism. You are right Dharma cannot be usurped. The Chinese are displaying such idiocy, when they realize it they will weep in embarassment. No wonder it was India that always bet China culturally in ancient times. Modern times they've barked up the wrong totalitarian tree also. I'll bet my bottom dollar it's a matter of only 10-15 years more and India will pip them once again. JMT though.


Hope these prediction comes true. But from a different perspective, what exactly is preventing GoI from claiming and propagating philosophy/culture which started within the country. Nobody is stopping the 'culture ministry' from opening chair/endowed professor positions around the country and abroad in areas like sanskrit literature, ayurveda, buddihst studies etc. etc. and funding centers of research in these areas.

Most of best publications in these areas in the recent history come from either German or Japanese and to a much lesser extent US Indologists. Not a single serious academic work in recent history about Indian traditions/heritage/philosophy has come from India/ Indians working in India. Knowledge of these traditions and related history are mostly alive in isolated pockets and is dying out fast. All the creative energy of the so called prolific new gen authors is focused on writing slum dog novels whose mark of recognition lies in getting nominated in some random foreign literary competition by selling poverty at home. Soon the country has to import Sanskrit experts from outside if that is not happening already.

I am not sure even 5% of the highly educated segment of the Indian population knows even the basic facts about Buddhism's origins or have a passable knowledge to understand any of the more popular verses from old shastras/smurtis. In fact people genuinely interested in these aspects of India's culture often return disappointed with the utter lack of interest from the govt. and large segments of populace, non existent centralized repositories and similar academic infrastructure not to mention the deliberate neglect of historical sites plagued with lack of infrastructure and all manners of unscrupulous characters. Already Buddhism in large parts of the world is by default associated with Tibet and to a lesser extent Japan/Taiwan and some SE Asian countries. All that PRC is trying to do is usurp these to claim greater legitimacy.

When people within the country have no respect and openly work to undermine their own heritage why blame others for trying to steal it.

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Malayappan » 26 Jan 2010 07:09

China's $2.4 trillion grip on the global economy from WaPo
Look elsewhere for the significance of the huge foreign exchange reserves. For starters, they confirm China's mercantilist trade policies. A country that practices mercantilism strives to increase exports at the expense of its trading partners.
China grows at others' expense. The manipulation of trade subverts support elsewhere for open trading policies. For now, China has no desire to substitute the RMB for the dollar as the primary global currency. Its ambition is more sweeping: to create a world economy that serves China's interests and, only as an afterthought, anyone else's

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Malayappan » 26 Jan 2010 08:26

Not posted so far?
India holds the keys to success: Niall Ferguson
Some of his observations -
....These things are bound to slow China down along with the required economic and monetary tightening. That is why I wouldn’t want to own a lot of Chinese stocks right now.

It’s tough for foreign investors to make money out of China (My comment: I have heard this said before - that only the Chinese make money out of China! While that may be a tad dramatic, I would like to hear if there are MNCs that made money by doing business in China's domestic market). If you look at the performance of the BRIC markets, I think China is not the top performer of the last decade. You would have been better off investing in other ones.

And one reason that I’m long on India than China is that India has a better institutional basis of development than China does. I think that representative government, rule of law, meaningful private property — these are key to success. They were keys to western success.

China doesn’t have these things. In the end, if you don’t have these things, you are just a planned economy with a market wrapped around that.

Look at what Soviet Union was in the 1930s. If you went there in 1936, you would be very impressed — they were building huge canals, buildings, highways, large cities and what not. But it became clear by the 1970s that the negative externalities of industrialisation were huge and the impact of population control and central planning were negative. And sure enough, Russia fell apart. Now, I’m not saying that it’s going to happen in China any time soon. But if you take a 20-year timeline, China has huge demographic problems. If you look at the environmental costs of their development, it’s huge.

So, I think at some point in the growth of India and China, there will come a time when China’s strategic policies will produce unintended consequences.


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China to lead world scientific research by 2020 : Telegraph

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Gerard » 27 Jan 2010 15:56

Walker's World: Ganging up on China
The row over Internet censorship between Google and China got all the headlines, but the really alarming development for Beijing in the last week came from India.

The unprecedented decision by the Indian government to deliver a formal diplomatic demarche against Chinese trade policies was just one of a range of developments in recent days that must be troubling the Chinese leadership. It seems as if a critical mass of criticism is coming together among some of China's leading trade partners.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 27 Jan 2010 20:31



A tad overoptimystic. IMHO.

Cheena's banking on the fact that duniya couldn't gang-up against 400% gang-rene like Papistan, fat chance they'll do any ganging-banging up against 400% gangsters like PRC.

Sadly, PRC wouldn't be too far off from reality in such calculations, either.

Copenhagen showed clearly that cheena knows precisely how to play pipsqueaks against the goli-maro goliaths only.

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby YaoMing » 27 Jan 2010 23:29

harbans wrote:^^ Very right. Tibet (already), AP and Nepal then Bodh Gaya will be next on the list of usurpation. Chinese have no culture left. Mao wiped off what little was there. Now they want to usurp and claim Buddhism.

an article from China Tibet online from 22.01.10
A look at the Dalai Lama's ridiculous Indian heart
http://is.gd/7ajHY
Last year, The 14th Dalai Lama kissed the ground to win the heart of India in addition to his intensive lobbying around the world, pleading to visit various national leaders.

He referred to himself as a "son of India" as early as last March. The Dalai Lama expressed that he would call himself a "son of India" on a news conference in New Delhi March 31, 2009.

The Dalai Lama pleases his Indian masters not only by showing his willingness to be a "son of India," but also by effacing the originality of the Tibetan culture. The Dalai Lama uses such words to dwarf the rich Tibetan culture with distinctive local characteristics. He could not be more subservient.

In fact, another reason why the Dalai Lama calls himself a "son of India" is that he intends to deny his Chinese citizenship.

The Dalai Lama might have forgotten many historical facts when saying so. For example, Chinese Buddhism played a very important role in the formation and development of Tibetan Buddhism, and the Sakyamuni statue in the Jokhang Temple was taken to Tibet by Princess Wencheng in Tang Dynasty. In addition, during the Yuan Dynasty, the Chinese government established a special department to handle Tibet-related military and political affairs and put Tibet under the control of the central government. Of course, he also forgot that in the Qing Dynasty, the Dalai Lama's reincarnation and enthronement had to be confirmed by the central government. For instance, the 7th Dalai Lama was conferred the title by Emperor Kangxi in 1719 and the 8th Dalai Lama was confirmed by an official dispatched by Emperor Qianlong in 1762.

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Malayappan » 28 Jan 2010 08:53

Further to the link posted by Amitava above, the FT article
China scientists lead world in research growth
Some observations in that article, with the inevitable comparison with India -
China far outperformed every other nation, with a 64-fold increase in peer-reviewed scientific papers since 1981, with particular strength in chemistry and materials science.
According to James Wilsdon, science policy director at the Royal Society in London, three main factors are driving Chinese research. First is the government’s enormous investment, with funding increases far above the rate of inflation, at all levels of the system from schools to postgraduate research. Second is the organised flow of knowledge from basic science to commercial applications. Third is the efficient and flexible way in which China is tapping the expertise of its extensive scientific diaspora in north America and Europe, tempting back mid-career scientists with deals that allow them to spend part of the year working in the west and part in China.
Like China, India has a large diaspora – and many scientifically trained NRIs (non-resident Indians) are returning but they go mainly into business rather research. “In India there is a very poor connection between high-tech companies and the local research base,” says Mr Wilsdon. “Even the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), the highest level institutions in the system, find it difficult to recruit top faculty.”

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Ananya » 29 Jan 2010 03:39

do we have an IPOD or Windows from china :shock:

are they tring to become no 1 in scientific research.

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby joshvajohn » 29 Jan 2010 04:07

Drop demand for military removal from Tibet, China to Dalai envoys
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... ow/5506100.


US CONGRESS: Boycott Chinese Products to Protest Occupation of Tibet
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/congre ... n-of-tibet

Unless Chinese hands are burned through boycott of Chinese goods their human rights violations will not stop!!!!

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Karna_A » 29 Jan 2010 04:45

That's a very good news.
Perhaps Chinese military liked the 18 hole treatment given to the Chinese massage girls in Islamabad and to the 2 Chinese engineers in tribal areas. Maybe the purpose is to teach Chinese military POW survival skills.
http://english.people.com.cn/200410/09/ ... 59503.html
http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2 ... un.do.html

joshvajohn wrote:China mulls setting up military base in Pakistan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 510235.cms


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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Malayappan » 29 Jan 2010 07:02

India vs. China: Whose Economy Is Better? Time takes a shot answering the question.
In conclusion -
India's economy looks to be rebounding from the downturn in better shape than China's

Check it out!

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby amit » 29 Jan 2010 08:21

Ah! A great insight to the great education machine in the Middle Kingdom.

Education as a Path to Conformity

“Our education system is like ancient Sparta. Not physically, but mentally,” she said over coffee in a Beijing mall, where white marble sparkled under powerful lights. “Our children learn to calculate fast, play the piano, to do everything well. They have a lot of skills. But when they grow up they are lost, because no one ever asked them to think about what they want.


Starting at 6, children are buried under an avalanche of studies until they graduate from high school. Twelve-hour days (less on weekends, but no days off) are common among first-graders. For his first Chinese New Year semester break, my 6-year-old son was given 42 pages of math and 42 pages of Chinese homework to complete in four weeks. The goal? Entrance to an elite college like Peking or Tsinghua University.

Yet once there, laziness can set in. Many students kick back, relying on their elite network to smooth a path through life. After the slog of the previous 12 years they feel they deserve a break. Perhaps they do. But it’s no incentive for academic brilliance.


To justify a study routine Hua calls “miserable,” parents have begun framing the system as imparting “kangya nengli,” or the ability to resist pressure. Tough is good, runs the logic. Only wimps can’t cope. At the bottom lies an intense fear of failure, often expressed thus: “He won’t even be able to find a wife.” There is no equivalent for a girl, but in a deeply patriarchal society that doesn’t matter.

Hua sees only mediocrity. “We don’t produce Bill Gates, or the Google guys, or Steve Jobs, because we don’t let these people grow. We don’t even come close. Everyone says Chinese people are clever. But where’s the evidence?


There is little pressure to change. After all, isn’t this system producing a superficially impressive generation of people? Retail clerks memorize 11-digit mobile phone numbers in a flash and can recite orders faultlessly; perhaps they play the piano quite well, too. Yet, young Chinese struggle to think for themselves.


There is little pressure to change. After all, isn’t this system producing a superficially impressive generation of people? Retail clerks memorize 11-digit mobile phone numbers in a flash and can recite orders faultlessly; perhaps they play the piano quite well, too. Yet, young Chinese struggle to think for themselves. {Hear, Hear!}


Read it all folks. Next time you won't be surprised by the peculiar behaviour of our Chinese guests on BRF! :)

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby Malayappan » 29 Jan 2010 13:27

Course Correction From Newsweek
China has failed, despite billions of dollars in aid, to win over Tibetan loyalty. And now Beijing is finally realizing just how badly it mishandled things.

"You can't get rid of the alienation of a people through development."
"But we could not find any Tibetan who showed his loyalty to the Chinese," says Dewan. The authors also found that Tibetans remained excluded from most senior-level jobs. For example, of the nine top officials in the Tibet Mineral Development Co. Ltd., seven are ethnic Han Chinese, the largest group in China. (Officially the province is run by an ethnic Tibetan governor named Pema Thinley, a hawkish military commander, but real power lies with Communist Party Secretary Zhang Qingli, an ethnic Han.) Similarly, they point out that of the nearly 13,000 shops and restaurants in Lhasa, barely 300 are owned by Tibetans. "And despite the threat of punishment, we found deep respect and admiration for the Dalai Lama," says Dewan.
It would be naive to expect President Hu to recant overnight the Tibet policies that he himself devised and executed over the years. But it's not quite so farfetched to see him inching in that direction during his last few years in office as China's supreme leader, or even organizing a face-to-face meeting with the Dalai Lama before he leaves. It would not only make him a frontrunner for a Nobel Prize but also bring China the respect and admiration that it so acutely lacks.


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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby joshvajohn » 30 Jan 2010 05:15

Chinese democracy activist jailed for 9 years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... years.html

Elimination!

Pro-China politicians stage walkout over 'democracy referendum'
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... endum.html

Expansionism!

China Rises Companion | Political Governance
The Governance Crisis and Democratization in China
BY MING XIA
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/college/coll ... s-006.html


Australian writer boycotts China over jailing of dissident

(AFP) – 17 hours ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... BKrPGWxy2g

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby kmkraoind » 30 Jan 2010 19:56

China retaliates over US arms sales to Taiwan

China's defence ministry said it would suspend military exchanges with the US, impose sanctions on companies selling arms to Taiwan and review wider co-operation on international issues.


It means, China will impose sanctions on Bell, Boeing, GE and others. Whether China have balls to do this or this is just a bad mouthing. Anyhow, interesting times are ahead. While China accumulating dollars and US is suffering record trillion debts. Possibly the arms sales to Taiwan is going to test Chinese power.

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby chaanakya » 30 Jan 2010 20:31

kmkraoind wrote:China retaliates over US arms sales to Taiwan

While China accumulating dollars and US is suffering record trillion debts. Possibly the arms sales to Taiwan is going to test Chinese power .


This is called Bear Hug, true amirkhan ishtyle. :evil:

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby KaranR » 30 Jan 2010 23:19

[quote="kmkraoind"]China retaliates over US arms sales to Taiwan

China doesn’t hold any cards that can hurt USA. Just big mouth like the pakis. :twisted:

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby harbans » 30 Jan 2010 23:41

In fact, another reason why the Dalai Lama calls himself a "son of India" is that he intends to deny his Chinese citizenship.

Yaoming, there is no debate here. Fact is Tibet and India are culturally, spiritually entwined in more ways than China can ever imagine. You would never have had this totalitarian one party system if you believed deeply or were influenced by Dharmic faith.

China's problem with India lies in it's occupation of Tibet. It's better we never shared a boundary. With Tibet, India would not have and never had border disputes like with PRC after it's occupation of Tibet.

Han, totalitarian China has no fundamental understanding of Dharma. It's ruling Tibet sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby chaanakya » 30 Jan 2010 23:41

KaranR wrote:
kmkraoind wrote:China retaliates over US arms sales to Taiwan

China doesn’t hold any cards that can hurt USA. Just big mouth like the pakis. :twisted:


oh No, China is holding US Treasury notes in billions of dollars, if it dumps them US economy would go for a toss.But so would Chinsese economy as US is major partner in exim trade with China (BOP favours china). Millions of Chinese depend on the export of cheap,substandard Chinese goods to US.
So any reaction other than loud noise would not be coming from China. :twisted:

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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Postby shyam » 31 Jan 2010 00:53


This looks like a chankian move by uncle to impose protectionism against PRC. Any wrong reaction by PRC Govt. will justify trade sanctions against China.


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