26/11/2008: Never Forget. Never Forgive

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About the finger nails being pulled off the victims, it might have happened during post-mortem. It seemed to be SOP for collecting DNA. It happened to that Pakistani journalist killed in Kenya. Do we have any pathologists on our board who has done post mortems?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BCldHG9YQs


'Shoot whoever is visible': India releases chilling Mumbai terror tape of LeT's Sajid Mir at UN meet




28 Oct 2022
In an unprecedented public expose at the Mumbai UN counter-terror meet, India on Friday revealed in detail Pakistan's role in the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack by playing Pakistan-based terrorist Sajid Mir's audiotape. In the audio clip, he is heard directing the attack on Chabad House during Mumbai 26/11 terror attacks. Watch the video for more.
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saip wrote:About the finger nails being pulled off the victims, it might have happened during post-mortem. It seemed to be SOP for collecting DNA. It happened to that Pakistani journalist killed in Kenya. Do we have any pathologists on our board who has done post mortems?
Whats the context, please? Next time quote the post as I did here.
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ramana wrote:
saip wrote:About the finger nails being pulled off the victims, it might have happened during post-mortem. It seemed to be SOP for collecting DNA. It happened to that Pakistani journalist killed in Kenya. Do we have any pathologists on our board who has done post mortems?
Whats the context, please? Next time quote the post as I did here.
I was referring to this:
"@ByRakeshSimha:
During the 2008 Mumbai attack by 10 Islamic terrorists from Pakistan, Rediff cited a post mortem official who said in his entire career he hadn't seen the kind of injuries he saw on the bodies of the 156 victims. Many victims, including children, had their fingernails pulled out.

These details were kept secret by the govt. Crimes of Pakistanis against Hindus and Europeans can't be reported because the terrorists were Islamic. This is next level negationism.

I asked a leading investigative journalist to help me get the locked post mortem records of the Mumbai attack victims. He said yes and vanished.

https://twitter.com/ByRakeshSimha/statu ... CFXTw&s=19
But that post is one year old though (29th Nov 2021). Sorry, I did not notice the date.
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I remember reading a quote from the same postmortem official that the bodies of terrorists also bore horrific torture marks (apparently some terrorists were captured alive, and NSG commandoes returned the favor before executing them)
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What my tiny brain still fails to comprehend is to why Mumbai Police could not gather 100 armed constables for a CAT. There were only 10 terrorists in 5 groups - 20 armed constables hunting each group would have boxed them in if not eliminated them. I am proud of the personal heroism and bravery of the martyrs but disgusted by total buffoonery of the Mumbai Police Commissionaire.
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Also - on a side note - we need to publish a public list of each of the 206 vile snakes who had signed mercy petition for Kasab. Each one of them needs to be exposed and brought out as total anti-national and desh-drohi and no channels should ever call them or interview them - there needs to be a complete boycott and social ban of each of these cretins.
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Larry Walker wrote:What my tiny brain still fails to comprehend is to why Mumbai Police could not gather 100 armed constables for a CAT. There were only 10 terrorists in 5 groups - 20 armed constables hunting each group would have boxed them in if not eliminated them. I am proud of the personal heroism and bravery of the martyrs but disgusted by total buffoonery of the Mumbai Police Commissionaire.
Larry Walker ji,


armed constables are for crowd control and such like chota mota works.

Clearing terrorists from built up urban areas, building by building, and clearing them from multi storey buildings, room by room and floor by floor would tax even the best of ameriki seal teams.

the paki handlers were also passing on real time updates garnered from burki butt's very helpful live reportage. Any where else in the world, and she would have been shot out of hand for gaddari and collaborating with the enemy. even hafiz was very impressed with her exertions on live television and he may have well offered to make her his third/fourth begum.

here these back stabbers are given padma awards and feted at 5 star seminars and literary conclaves with the wokes and urban naxals going into a frenzy of orgasms

Mumbai Police was outclassed and out gunned. like minnows taking on a great white. They are simply not trained or even meant to be deployed in such extreme situations
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Larry Walker wrote:Also - on a side note - we need to publish a public list of each of the 206 vile snakes who had signed mercy petition for Kasab. Each one of them needs to be exposed and brought out as total anti-national and desh-drohi and no channels should ever call them or interview them - there needs to be a complete boycott and social ban of each of these cretins.
Larry Walker

the list is already out on twitter which gives the link to the names.

Saw it just yesterday and if I can locate it again, will post it for you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_v3YJWGSyk


26/11 Mumbai terror attacks: A brief timeline Presentation




Bramha Research Foundation, on the eve of 13th anniversary of 26 November 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks unveils a report which looks at

1. Learnings & lessons from 26/11 Terror attacks

2. Steps taken by security agencies since then based on the Ram Pradhan report & other measures to secure Mumbai and India.

3. Threats facing Mumbai and India in context of today's environment, including emergence of new aspects like Chemical, Biological , Radiological and Nuclear terror.
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Chetak Is there a complete list of all the actors involved in 26/11 terror ttack?
And more importantly their motivations?
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ramana wrote:Chetak Is there a complete list of all the actors involved in 26/11 terror ttack?
And more importantly their motivations?
saar,

Some say that the reasons for 26/11 starts with the marginalization, the perceived weakening, and increasing irrelevance of the lashkar-e-taiba (LeT) whose cadres had progressively started to migrate to outfits in afghanistan and also to some of the other paki based terrorist formations where facilities and the glamor quotient was way higher. There is also a proven connection between the LeT and the al qaeda. The paki army, the ISI and also the paki govt are all majorly complicit in these operations. This also had the very real potential to trigger a nuclear response had someone decide to go that route. sardar raincoat and his puppet meister put up a dismally sorry show in the counter attack.

26/11 was an operation specifically planned to be of a spectacularly public event of a magnitude that would grab millions of eyeballs and the global media attention, was apparently planned to salvage the lost pride of the lashkar-e-taiba and restore it's image as one among the apex predators, a position of glory that would help it once again to garner a flood of recruits, vastly increased public donations and sponsorships that would bring it not only prestige but also honour and influence.

Of course, their hatred for India is always a great motivator.

A lot of the names appear here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks

other names may be scattered in the pages of a multitude of books, reports, intelligence agency assessments, thinktanki proceedings etc

That there was no preparedness, no plan of action, no command and control structure to speak of, no quick response and deployment procedures to even begin to counter such an operation and yet all the heads of those responsible for countering such attacks are today quite intact, complete with oiled and dyed hair, well combed or coiffed as the case may be.

sri raincoat, filled with visions of the eagerly anticipated and hoping that the soon to be forthcoming nobel was lax on security matters, he/she also ran a ram bharose govt, with sartorially, rather than performance oriented ministers who were more worried about haute couture and hell bent on befriending the pakis and keen on establishing a so called peace park in the siachen until a shocked IA took a big bite out of his bony raincoated butt and rudely brought him back to mother earth.

other reasons for 26/11 may include the failure of the blue label guzzling and tandoori tikka gobbling, free loading babooze to deliver as promised, the pipe dream of the aman ki tamasha kandle kissing crowds from both sides of the wagah border

These senior jokers (elected and unelected) let the country down.

The SPG finally reached the site almost 10 hours after the first reports of the attack, well after most of the killing/massacre had already been done.

Fate intervened in the form of late Shri Tukaram Ombale (naman) and kasab


https://icct.nl/publication/a-decade-on ... onsorship/

Eventually, the US did allow Indian investigators to interrogate Headley, who claimed that:

The ISI (…) had no ambiguity in understanding the necessity to strike India. It essentially would serve three purposes. They are (a) controlling further split in the Kashmir-based outfits (b) providing them a sense of achievement and (c) shifting and minimizing the theatre of violence from the domestic soil of Pakistan to India.[39]

Until Headley’s interrogation, Indian investigators had struggled to identify a motive; why would ISI officials support a LeT attack on Mumbai which would deliberately kill foreign tourists and bring international opprobrium down on Islamabad? Headley claimed that in 2007-2008, LeT was facing internal rifts as younger cadres wanted to break away from the group due to its subservience to the ISI. In order to keep LeT united under a pliant leadership, some ‘S’ Wing operatives seem to have arranged for an offensive against India which would earn LeT respect within the Pakistani jihadist community and prevent further defections. The offensive would target third country nationals because doing so would magnify LeT’s achievement. Moreover, because the killing would occur on Indian territory, there would be no obvious link to Pakistan. All that was necessary to de-link Islamabad from the attack was to ensure that the attackers would fight to the death. Controlling the gunmen via telephone was possibly intended to bolster their morale in this regard. Furthermore, many such remotely-guided assaults had been carried-out in Indian-administered Kashmir in the past, without any serious diplomatic consequences for Pakistan.
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What is unstated and hidden and implied in the article that LeT donations increased manifolds after 26/11 attacks ? so the so-called maasoom and gareeb muslaim awaam of Jihadistan will shower more money on terrorists that kill more kaafirs more mercilessly ? i think this point needs to be driven down on every opportunity and forum so that the poisonous nature of the filthy moo's next door is never allowed to be hidden or covered up.
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Larry Walker wrote:What is unstated and hidden and implied in the article that LeT donations increased manifolds after 26/11 attacks ? so the so-called maasoom and gareeb muslaim awaam of Jihadistan will shower more money on terrorists that kill more kaafirs more mercilessly ? i think this point needs to be driven down on every opportunity and forum so that the poisonous nature of the filthy moo's next door is never allowed to be hidden or covered up.
Larry Walker ji,

some of those donations even went from India.
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All this despite a series of Bombings in India including Mumbai in the 2006-08 period.
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https://advocatetanmoy.com/2019/02/13/l ... -petition/
Larry Walker wrote:Also - on a side note - we need to publish a public list of each of the 206 vile snakes who had signed mercy petition for Kasab. Each one of them needs to be exposed and brought out as total anti-national and desh-drohi and no channels should ever call them or interview them - there needs to be a complete boycott and social ban of each of these cretins.
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Aditya_V wrote:All this despite a series of Bombings in India including Mumbai in the 2006-08 period.
Aditya_V ji,

A lot more donations go from Indians in the gelf routed via madrasas and ummah NGOs.

That escapes notice of most investigators.

many paki jehadi outfits also have collection/donation centres in all the gelf states, all strictly in cash, of course
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Chetakji
Was it not during this episode or prior to this, that Paxtan invited us for Secretarial level talks and then sent the visitors to Muree!!
Or was it during another incident
If former is right then, what we are to assume??
That not only the Legislative but the Executive at some level might have been compromised??
The delays in Political decision making and Executive disarray, NSG mobilization disaster Media self-gaol and teams like rNDTV let free later.
No accountability
The Pre-Emptive surgical strikes are having positive effect isnt it
The 'Unwashed' are more dependent on the disgruntled 'leftovers' to fight their battle
Mods if any terms used is deemed unsavoury, I will delete this
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Rsatchi wrote:Chetakji
Was it not during this episode or prior to this, that Paxtan invited us for Secretarial level talks and then sent the visitors to Muree!!
Or was it during another incident
If former is right then, what we are to assume??
That not only the Legislative but the Executive at some level might have been compromised??
The delays in Political decision making and Executive disarray, NSG mobilization disaster Media self-gaol and teams like rNDTV let free later.
No accountability
The Pre-Emptive surgical strikes are having positive effect isnt it
The 'Unwashed' are more dependent on the disgruntled 'leftovers' to fight their battle
Mods if any terms used is deemed unsavoury, I will delete this
Rsatchi ji,

It was during the 26/11 episode and the invitation was set for a day or two before. The removal of top home ministry officials by simply arranging kabab, tarra, and mujra delights at muree was the pre planned equivalent of a successful decapitating strike against the tactical leadership that would have made some attempt to counter the paki attackers. I have no doubts at all that some very juicy pictures of the visit would be archived away in some dusty ISI cupboard

RVS Mani's book gives more details

there is no doubt that the paki establishment, army and the ISI were part of it. The pakis would have quietly gone on heightened alert on the borders, stocked up on ammo and other war stores by creating ammo dumps nearby. Our best pressure point would have been to open up all along the border/front with the heavy artillery

At the two hotels, all power could have been switched off and the paki terrorists hunted down in the darkness using night vision devices but the bombay polis did not have them, not even a single one. Lack of BPJs, and the use of the ubiquitous .303 because they did not have better weapons.

all phones and communications, including teevee coverage could have been completely shut down because the bombay polis had sufficient numbers of walkie talkies to manage but strangely, no one proposed it, let alone even think of it with the result that certain award winning presstitutes were broadcasting live with detailed commentary and giving the pakis a clear idea of where their targets were hiding.

On our side, and generally speaking, undoubtedly there was definitely some collusion at some senior level(s) but largely it was antipathy, ignorance, frustration, sloth, lack of organizational competence, total lack of leadership and presence of "someone" or a small team of "someones" to read, and appreciate the big picture and decisively delegate responsibilities, allot resources, and assign field authority was glaringly absent.

The orchestra was assembled outside the auditorium, they did not have their musical instruments with them and the conductor (the maestro) was totally missing along with his all important baton and no one knew who he was or where he was.

The feedback loop relaying the true situation on the ground from the two hotels, the VT station etc was almost non existent, and after kharkhare's ambush, a lot of senior polis went into hiding fearing assassination because no one knew or was told about what was happening.

many senior polis assumed that it was an underworld revenge killing and bloodbath so they did not know if they were on the list of targets or not

many senior polis parked their vehicles in side roads, wound up the windows, stopped answering their walkie talkies and, did not disclose their whereabouts. They just sat incommunicado in the grim darkness.
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Without doubt there was extensive local support.
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Folks name the best 5 to 10 books on 26/11 attack.
Thanks, ramana
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Black Tornado: The Three Sieges of Mumbai - Sandeep Unnithan
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chetak wrote:[

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At the two hotels, all power could have been switched off and the paki terrorists hunted down in the darkness using night vision devices but the bombay polis did not have them, not even a single one. Lack of BPJs, and the use of the ubiquitous .303 because they did not have better weapons.
Better still put some sleeping gas throught the vents and accidently burn and the vermin, send videos of bodies burning to relatives and potential wannabe Jihadis in Pakjab, That Jihad against India means thier bodies will be burnt- it will have chilling effect.
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Here is a guy who ought to know what's what and he echoes what one had gathered from diverse sources and also from some not so open sources

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 38163.html

Dec 02, 2022

Former cabinet secretary KM Chandrasekhar, who was the country’s top civil servant in November 2008 when Pakistani terrorists landed in Mumbai, has said that there was “no real clarity who was to do what at the central level” when the attacks took place.

In his recently released book ‘As good as my word’, Chandrasekhar faulted the situation following the creation of the post of National Security Adviser (NSA) in 1998, saying the government’s decision to create the NSA’s position was a step in the right direction. ‘...but instead of going all the way, the government chose to distribute responsibilities of power between the NSA and the Cabinet Secretary,” he wrote. This, he said, created “the possibility of confusion among roles in managing matters relating to security’’.

“The 26/11 attacks also exposed weakness at the highest level in decision-making in a grave emergency,” wrote .Chandrasekhar, who was handpicked by then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in 2007 and served in the position for four years till 2011.

“The agencies under the Home Ministry and armed forces intelligence do not usually brief the cabinet secretary on field issues, preferring to give the juicy bits only to the Home Ministry or the Defence Ministry or the NSA. At the same time, without sufficient and timely information, the cabinet secretary is still required to deal with crisis situations, whether it be a terrorist attack or a hijack or militant extremism of various kinds,” he wrote.

Besides, there was no real coordination mechanism in place, he added.

“When a real crisis blew up on 26/11, therefore, there was no real clarity on who was to do what at the central level; confusion confounded by the act that law and order is a state subject under the Indian Constitution and that central intervention can only be at the request of the state government concerned. I waded into the crisis and its handling as is my wont but I had no background information, no intelligence inputs, not even full knowledge of what was actually happening in Mumbai until late in the night. I had no knowledge about the dimensions of the crisis and the capacity of the state government to handle the crisis on its own either, as normally happens in all such events”.
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@mishra_abhi·Nov 27

https://sundayguardianlive.com/news/isi ... ht-justice

Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Nadeem Taj and Ahmad Shuja Pasha, the three Pakistan Army officers, who headed Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), when the 26 November 2008 (26/11) Mumbai attacks were planned, and then executed 14 years ago


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Who informed India about Ajmal Kasab's Faridkot address? Pakistan minister reveals the name




31 Mar 2022
Pakistan interior minister Sheikh Rasheed has revealed that it was former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who informed India about 26/11 Mumbai attacker Ajmal Kasab's Faridkot address. The revelation came as Imran Khan government faces no-confidence motion in Pakistan National Assembly. The remarks by Rasheed is a bid to paint Pakistan opposition as pro-India and to substantiate Imran Khan's claim that foreign powers are conspiring to oust him as the PM. Watch the video for full details
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pNxnFnpQY


Special Report: GEO TV's 26/11 Investigations




This is an older video but still worth the watch
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chetak wrote:Who informed India about Ajmal Kasab's Faridkot address? Pakistan minister reveals the name

That is total nonsense. The media, had located his house within a week. I distinctly remember that Dawn and BBC Urdu located his house partly based on electoral rolls, and partly by looking at houses that were surrounded by police in Pakistan in faridkot.

Here are some articles from about that time. This one on December 12th two weeks later

https://www.dawn.com/news/333884/crackd ... umbai-link

4 years later. This is what Dawn had to say


https://www.dawn.com/news/765854/the-un ... ot-mystery
An investigation by a Dawn reporter confirmed that Amir Kasab, identified by Indian media as the father of Ajmal, had indeed settled in Faridkot many years ago after arriving from nearby Haveli Lakha, and that among his children was a son who had left home some time ago.

Two Dawn journalists arrived in a neat-looking Faridkot lane in the first week of December, 2008. They were looking for the Kasab home and were met on the way by a man of medium build, clad in shalwar kameez. “Do you know someone from the Kasab family? Are they home?,” the man was asked.
Pakistan never expected that anybody would be captured alive. If none of the terrorists had been captured alive, to this day, they would have denied that anybody from Pakistan was responsible. The fact that Indian media broadcasted that one guy was captured alive, and that his confession stated his name and village completely changed the narrative.

The tragic part was Tukaram Omble had to give up his life for this.
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Anujan wrote:
chetak wrote:Who informed India about Ajmal Kasab's Faridkot address? Pakistan minister reveals the name

That is total nonsense. The media, had located his house within a week. I distinctly remember that Dawn and BBC Urdu located his house partly based on electoral rolls, and partly by looking at houses that were surrounded by police in Pakistan in faridkot.

Here are some articles from about that time. This one on December 12th two weeks later

https://www.dawn.com/news/333884/crackd ... umbai-link

4 years later. This is what Dawn had to say


https://www.dawn.com/news/765854/the-un ... ot-mystery
An investigation by a Dawn reporter confirmed that Amir Kasab, identified by Indian media as the father of Ajmal, had indeed settled in Faridkot many years ago after arriving from nearby Haveli Lakha, and that among his children was a son who had left home some time ago.

Two Dawn journalists arrived in a neat-looking Faridkot lane in the first week of December, 2008. They were looking for the Kasab home and were met on the way by a man of medium build, clad in shalwar kameez. “Do you know someone from the Kasab family? Are they home?,” the man was asked.
Pakistan never expected that anybody would be captured alive. If none of the terrorists had been captured alive, to this day, they would have denied that anybody from Pakistan was responsible. The fact that Indian media broadcasted that one guy was captured alive, and that his confession stated his name and village completely changed the narrative.

The tragic part was Tukaram Omble had to give up his life for this.
nawaz shariff admitted publicly that kasab was paki.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 142674.cms

maybe the amerikis had already reached out to the pakis by then and warned them about kasab and given them the details from the initial interrogation of kasab. It was later that the Indian's became wary of the amerikis as more and more details of double/triple agents headley and rana having ameriki intelligence contacts started to emerge and the amerikis started obfuscating and obstructing.

they were hard pressed to explain how an ameriki (and that too a malsi) agent was surveilling targets in India for terrorist attack by the pakis, said agents having entered India multiple times. Rana is a canadian and that further complicated explanations for the amerikis who had also recruited him

even today, the complete details of headley and rana's involvement have not been disclosed to India by the amerikis.

the bombay polis did not get to interrogate mahesh butt's son rahul butt. The congis very hurriedly gave him an unwarranted clean chit that completely absolved him and also shielded him from the polis who were actually baying for his blood. the lootyens and babooze ecosystem went into overdrive to keep the eyetalian mafia family insulated, just like they were completely insulated in the LTTE assassination of ghandhy.

there was something like a coordinated cover up in India, pak and amrika but the going against the grain the bombay polis quietly terminated some of the local help that they had traced and those with proven political patronage were especially brutally dispatched. This was vengeance, plain and simple and also a warning to the politicos that there were red lines not to be crossed ever again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En96bOS5AII

Former Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif admits Pak's role in 26/11 Mumbai Attacks

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chetak wrote:
there was something like a coordinated cover up in India, pak and amrika but the going against the grain the bombay polis quietly terminated some of the local help that they had traced and those with proven political patronage were especially brutally dispatched. This was vengeance, plain and simple and also a warning to the politicos that there were red lines not to be crossed ever again
Any details on this part, I have no idea of any names and id's of such folks
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Aditya_V wrote:
chetak wrote:
there was something like a coordinated cover up in India, pak and amrika but the going against the grain the bombay polis quietly terminated some of the local help that they had traced and those with proven political patronage were especially brutally dispatched. This was vengeance, plain and simple and also a warning to the politicos that there were red lines not to be crossed ever again
Any details on this part, I have no idea of any names and id's of such folks
AFAIK, not in the public domain

Even in the IPKF ops, there was a senior Indian intelligence officer who was compromised by the LTTE and was feeding them details of ongoing ops.

This was "known" by many who were there at the time and also "not known", if you understand what I mean.

There is one Hindi movie which had this character as part of the plot but very very few people actually made the connection to events as they actually happened at that time
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ramana wrote:Folks name the best 5 to 10 books on 26/11 attack.
Thanks, ramana
Indian Ministry of External Affairs

Mumbai Terror Attacks Dossier : 26/11 Mumbai Terror Attacks


additionally,

one of the NSAs who has written a book has briefly touched upon this topic, and given some half assed reason as to why the pakis were not/should not be attacked in retaliation for 26/11, the usual showering in a rain coat version has been trotted out and India has still managed to rise, notwithstanding....

at that time, none of the local woke heroes were the big picture types but were blindly following in the deeply rutted and entrenched pathways of neverwhovian "log kya kahenge" logic that was the required response of the BIF who followed/still follow the "ek aur dhakka, zor se" principle. All were part of the siachen peace park fantasy of shri raincoat

So that the relevant parts of that book (choices:inside the making of India’s foreign policy shivshankar menon) too can be checked out
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Larry Walker wrote:What my tiny brain still fails to comprehend is to why Mumbai Police could not gather 100 armed constables for a CAT. There were only 10 terrorists in 5 groups - 20 armed constables hunting each group would have boxed them in if not eliminated them. I am proud of the personal heroism and bravery of the martyrs but disgusted by total buffoonery of the Mumbai Police Commissionaire.
Mumbai didn't have any type of SWAT or similar special cells and The standard police really had no chance with their old. 303's and absolutely no armor or practice. Heck most of them hadn't even practiced shooting in years due to lack of ammo

If they had the necessary protection and weapons then the death toll would be less than half since most casualties were at CST where police did have the chance to gun down Kasab and the other one but simply were outgunned.

What is more egregious though is that a couple of kms from Taj and Oberoi we had the MARCOS and a full unit of Indian Army ( Grenadiers i think?) who had just gotten back from CI Ops in Kashmir.

That means 1000+ well trained, well armed soldiers but they were never utilized properly at all.

First of all the MARCOS only joined because someone alerted a politician of there presence nearby and even then they sent piddy little teams of 8-10 people to both hotels and wasted time looking for boats etc. What's worse even when they did go in and sort of corner the terrorists in certain areas they completely deinducted a few hours later and the NSG had to start from scratch instead of taking over where the MARCOS left off

The Indian Army unit did nothing apart from stand outside the hotel awaiting orders which never came.

There was absolutely no cooperation or coordination bw these services , the center, the intelligence branch, the local police or state gov.

One wonders how different the situation is today.
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Apart from total apathy by state and federal authorities has there been any enquiry into acts of omission and commission
Any fixing or apportioning of blame
Any conviction
None I think
Only people like Mr Mani being hounded out
All these years we are still groping in the dark about internal collaborations at the political and executive levels
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Rsatchi wrote:Apart from total apathy by state and federal authorities has there been any enquiry into acts of omission and commission
Any fixing or apportioning of blame
Any conviction
None I think
Only people like Mr Mani being hounded out
All these years we are still groping in the dark about internal collaborations at the political and executive levels
Rsatchi ji,

congi mafia at the center

congi mafia in the state (MAH)

(congi + commie) tight control over the media and the very cooperative local ummah maulanas and community leaders all of them were totally depending on the congis/commies to whitewash their role. These were the ones with the most to hide and the most to lose in case a nationwide backlash erupted.

That is why congi luminaries almost immediately started the canard of "Hindu" terrorists based solely on the kalva tied around the wrists of the paki terrorists (incidentally, these kalvas were purchased by headly at the Siddhi Vinayak Temple in Dadar)

There were broadly three principal actors (incountry + neighbour + amrika) and every one of them had something to hide
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Sirji
The present dispensation had ample time to review files
Unless of course the files were destroyed in accidental fire
I cannot recollect but was there such an accidental fire episode in either of the blocks??
The only thing I can think of is all political entities who played key roles then have been hiding from public scrutiny deliberately or otherwise (maybe warned off)
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I know we have come a long way in terms of preparedness if God-forbid, a 26/11 should happen again.

But from a command & control standpoint, who would be the person (today) responsible for managing our response? Is it the NSA or a Secretary at the Home Ministry?
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NSA
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Prem Kumar wrote:I know we have come a long way in terms of preparedness if God-forbid, a 26/11 should happen again.

But from a command & control standpoint, who would be the person (today) responsible for managing our response? Is it the NSA or a Secretary at the Home Ministry?
We saw a lot of that when Pathankot happened. It was NSA's office which cleared the techinical assets upon receiving the input. NSA is credited for much of the preventive measures and command of that action.
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Rsatchi wrote:Sirji
The present dispensation had ample time to review files
Unless of course the files were destroyed in accidental fire
Not saying its connected onlee.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 326078.cms

I shudder to think of the coverup on a massive scale. Pre-Whatsapp "Katta" (Bench or an informal seating/gather place in Marathi) discussions were rife with how local help suspects were quietly moved abroad (Dubai and onwards..) thanks to political patronage in a couple of years that followed to avoid embarrassment, and all evidences were quietly buried to hide collusion between or the laxity of the "system". Shat Shat Naman to Shri Ombale ji.

I do hope Shri Chetakji is right in one of the mentions that atleast few of the local help who didnt make it abroad were disposed off.
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