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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby joshvajohn » 05 Dec 2009 18:35

Congress has shown true colour by not caring the death of Indians and destruction of properties due to violence in Telangana region. They are waiting for more violence and deaths before granting the region a statehood. It also shows non-interest of Sonia and/or Manmohan Singh and company on Indian people's lives and death.

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... nS0yZ7ng==

http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/05/stories ... 700100.htm

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Dec 2009 19:21

Yup, no national news channel has covered the Telengana agitation and disturbances on a daily basis in the city. Schools have been closed for alomost 2 weeks in the Telengana region, am told.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Venkarl » 05 Dec 2009 20:24

This time..it doesn't look like a water bubble..students got into it...in heavy numbers..Section 144 is in effect..institutes, schools, colleges are shut down for 48 hours. TRS activists & students have stoned several Malls and Clothing showrooms in Ameerpet..Panjagutta causing damage. All gas stations are shut. I am afraid this will not trigger an ethnic fight between Telanganites and Andhraites in Hyderabad - Secunderabad areas. As of now, Andhra people in twin cities are quite . Also, Hyderabad and its surrounding areas have industries of national and private importance. These places may become vulnerable target to the real enemies of India. Is it feasible to declare Hyderabad as Union Territory provided its not against Indian Constitution?

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby RamaY » 06 Dec 2009 00:22

I was talking to my friends on Telangana issue. My take is -

From INC perspective, the problem has 3 dimensions. The Rosaiah faction, which is useless. The Telangana-leaders (VH, KK etc) hope to benefit from it in the long run so they can have a shot at power in telangana state. The third faction is YSJ faction and it is Chennareddy/YSR redux.

The movement dies if KCR dies. It will be a law-and-order problem and the govt can cool down the situation within 10-20 days. The whole issue is with KCR's antiques and his interplay with other political parties.

Andhras also are tired of this nonsense and are looking for alternatives. The only problem is building a new capital and bringing it to Hyderabad level is a 30-50 year project. It will be impossible to move nearly $10B real investment that is made in Hyderabad in past 5-10 years.

I do not think a separate Telangana state will win anything after all this fight. Any hydal project on Godavari/Krishna will cost atleast 10000 crores and the new state cannot generate those funds. Telangana leaders are pinning their economic hopes on Hyderabad, but they do not understand that the capital will lose its agility once Andhras leave it. It will be dominated by Majlis party and they would like to control the game.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ShyamSP » 06 Dec 2009 01:17

I'm not getting any readings as to why sponsors of KCR raked up the issue. The timing and reason/goals are not clear.

From state political angle, TDP made come back in Greater Hyderabad elections and it also raising corruption in Mining contracts (by Gali brothers of Karnataka). It could not be that Congress want to burn hot agitation for small issues. It could not be for next elections - fours years away - to keep the T-issue pot boiling in AP.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Muppalla » 06 Dec 2009 10:20

ShyamSP wrote:I'm not getting any readings as to why sponsors of KCR raked up the issue. The timing and reason/goals are not clear.

From state political angle, TDP made come back in Greater Hyderabad elections and it also raising corruption in Mining contracts (by Gali brothers of Karnataka). It could not be that Congress want to burn hot agitation for small issues. It could not be for next elections - fours years away - to keep the T-issue pot boiling in AP.


I came back from my visit just couple of days back. As per the grapevine, TRS is filthily funded by Jagan & Co. It is difficult to predict the end as the violence is errupting at this point. Jagan hasn't gven up and his dad's goons are everywhere. TRS got life from nowhere. The fun restarted itself with the exit of YSR.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby joshvajohn » 07 Dec 2009 15:28

Deputy leader of BJP in the Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj and senior party leader M Venkaiah Naidu in the Rajya Sabha raised the issue in Zero Hour saying the Government should bring a bill in right earnest.

What is the stand of Congress and UPA on Telangana? You said you wanted a consensus. I don't think anybody is opposing now," Naidu said accusing the ruling party of acting in a manner which is giving rise to tensions.


BJP corners Govt in Parliament over Telangana issue

http://www.ptinews.com/news/411422_BJP- ... gana-issue

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Virupaksha » 07 Dec 2009 18:16

A party which has exactly 12% of available seats, 10 out of 90 is the only party for it. For Gods sake, TRS was soooo afraid to test its strength in hyderabad that it didnt even contest fearing loss of face value before this agitation. It has support in exactly two districts out of 9 in telangana - medak and karimnagar.

Adilabad is TDPs. Nalgonda is communists, who are anti-telangana. Hyderabad and Ranga reddy are slateboard clean for TRS.

TDP doesnt want it, Congress doesnt want it. This thing has little public support but lots of nuisance value. and jagan is using it against rosiah to corner him and just as YSR created hindu- muslim riots in hyd in late 1980s.

Where exactly are the people's wishes? They said get lost to TRS exactly 6 months ago. Atleast once and I mean once, let TRS get a majority of seats in telangana, forget the whole state.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Venkarl » 07 Dec 2009 19:39

There is another rumor echoed that because

1) Sonia has sidelined Jagan in Andhra Politics and put Rosayya@CM post.
2) Due to enormous inherited popularity of Jagan, Sonia tried to clip Jagan's wings by activating a committee against corruption in Obulapuram mines. It is said that Jagan has huge stakes in it.
3) CBN also has prepared a document to support the inquiry committee against O'puram mines. CBN explained the document to Delhi biggies.

Jagan used Gali Janardhan Reddy to give Rs.300 crores to KCR to declare "fast-unto-death" on telangana disrupting the attention on O'puram mines enquiry and challenge the decision Madam made in support of Rosaiah and Co after YSR's exit.
People here believe that Jagan hit 2 birds with 1 shot....diversion of attention on O'puram....challenging the Madam's confidence in Rosaiah by sidelining Jagan.

Well that may be a burp/fart of another "all work no play makes jack dull" conspiracy theorists(not me)....if this theory is true...another chess game began in T.

By the way, is there any BRF thread discussing this T issue extensively....I did a search and could not find any.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ShyamSP » 08 Dec 2009 00:11

joshvajohn wrote:Deputy leader of BJP in the Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj and senior party leader M Venkaiah Naidu in the Rajya Sabha raised the issue in Zero Hour saying the Government should bring a bill in right earnest.

What is the stand of Congress and UPA on Telangana? You said you wanted a consensus. I don't think anybody is opposing now," Naidu said accusing the ruling party of acting in a manner which is giving rise to tensions.


BJP corners Govt in Parliament over Telangana issue

http://www.ptinews.com/news/411422_BJP- ... gana-issue



What is the strategy for BJP. They couldn't win in Telengana and couldn't win in Greater Hyderabad municipal elections. Yet they want separate state for it and are falling for the traps setup by other parties and groups.

Aren't they shooting themselves in the foot. Assuming it is Congress that raked up the T-issue and they pass the bill in Parliament, won't BJP lose portion of Karnataka as well if Congress reorganizes other states as well.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ShyamSP » 08 Dec 2009 00:36

Venkarl wrote:There is another rumor echoed that because

1) Sonia has sidelined Jagan in Andhra Politics and put Rosayya@CM post.
2) Due to enormous inherited popularity of Jagan, Sonia tried to clip Jagan's wings by activating a committee against corruption in Obulapuram mines. It is said that Jagan has huge stakes in it.
3) CBN also has prepared a document to support the inquiry committee against O'puram mines. CBN explained the document to Delhi biggies.

Jagan used Gali Janardhan Reddy to give Rs.300 crores to KCR to declare "fast-unto-death" on telangana disrupting the attention on O'puram mines enquiry and challenge the decision Madam made in support of Rosaiah and Co after YSR's exit.
People here believe that Jagan hit 2 birds with 1 shot....diversion of attention on O'puram....challenging the Madam's confidence in Rosaiah by sidelining Jagan.

Well that may be a burp/fart of another "all work no play makes jack dull" conspiracy theorists(not me)....if this theory is true...another chess game began in T.

By the way, is there any BRF thread discussing this T issue extensively....I did a search and could not find any.


Jagan/Gali strategy is good from short-term as they can put pressure on Rosaiah so he doesn't go after Jagan's money. It is reminiscent of old congress leaders' strategy of raking up riots to bring down Congress CM

But that doesn't gel as corruption money was also made into Congress and perhaps Gandhis' coffers. Going after Jagan is like digging Congress' own grave. It is not Jagan they go after, It is TDP's strategy they go after. Telengana is good distraction to keep TDP at bay.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Virupaksha » 08 Dec 2009 00:48

ShyamSP wrote:What is the strategy for BJP. They couldn't win in Telengana and couldn't win in Greater Hyderabad municipal elections. Yet they want separate state for it and are falling for the traps setup by other parties and groups.

Aren't they shooting themselves in the foot. Assuming it is Congress that raked up the T-issue and they pass the bill in Parliament, won't BJP lose portion of Karnataka as well if Congress reorganizes other states as well.

BJP was the first party to support Telangana right from 80's. So it agreeing or not agreeing never depended on actual public support :wink:

it had taken a principled stand during NDA that if state assembly passes a resolution unanimous to divide a state, it will take a very very sympathetic view.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2009 01:45

On elections results basis there is no support for Telengana statehood. However KCR seems to have suddenly revived it. I dont kow how many times people of Telengana will fall for out of work politicians antics? I have seen this since 1969 when Chenna Reddy took over the movement and rode it to power and respectablity.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby joshvajohn » 08 Dec 2009 14:58

Telangana Marginalised

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... meA==&SEO=


Almost all the 12 Congress MPs from Telangana region, who favour immediate creation of a separate state, met law minister M Veerappa Moily, who is also in charge of the party affairs in Andhra Pradesh.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_mo ... na_1321463

If this were true then what State and Central Govt are waiting for?

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby RamaY » 08 Dec 2009 20:08

Tale of two states (Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh) w.r.t 2009 Flood Relief
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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby yvijay » 08 Dec 2009 20:33

^^ It is easy to choose and pick pictures to show some body in bad light. And everybody knows whom Eenadu religiously bats for.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Hari Seldon » 08 Dec 2009 21:04

yvijay wrote:^^ It is easy to choose and pick pictures to show some body in bad light. And everybody knows whom Eenadu religiously bats for.


Everybody knows? Really?! And how can thou be so sure, noble sir? Kindly elaborate for this lost soul. Thank you, thank you.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby RamaY » 08 Dec 2009 21:16

Yvijay,

No need to feel bad. Both states are part of India. If one state can do something good, that proves the point that India can have demonstratable professionalism in governance. It puts the non-performing administrations in check.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby yvijay » 08 Dec 2009 21:35

Ramay, I’m not at all feeling bad. I’m happy that Karnataka government is taking care of the people. But I’m just being skeptical about the eenadu. Being anti-congress they can pick and compare any pictures they want, just to show government in bad light. That is all what I’m saying.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby yvijay » 08 Dec 2009 21:37

Hari Seldon wrote:
yvijay wrote:^^ It is easy to choose and pick pictures to show some body in bad light. And everybody knows whom Eenadu religiously bats for.


Everybody knows? Really?! And how can thou be so sure, noble sir? Kindly elaborate for this lost soul. Thank you, thank you.

May be you don't know sir or may feigning ignorance, but even a layman in AP knows Eenadu bats for TDP and Sakshi for Congress.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ShyamSP » 09 Dec 2009 03:41

http://www.greatandhra.com/ganews/viewn ... t=&scat=16
Telangana Rashtra Samithi leaders are suspecting that certain forces in the Congress party were inducting rowdy and goonda elements into the Telangana agitation to make it violent to damage the reputation of the Telangana movement and also that of chief minister K Rosaiah.

TRS leader Nayani Narasimha Reddy directly made allegations against KVP Ramachandra Rao, Rajya Sabha member and advisor to Y S Rajasekhara Reddy family. “We have concrete information that KVP had summoned 1,500 hardcore goondas from Rayalaseema to create law and order problem in Telangana. His intention is not only to transform the peaceful agitation of students into a violent one, but also to pull down the Rosaiah government in the pretext of law and order breakdown,” he alleged and recalled that YSR had played a similar role in pulling down the Channa Reddy government in 1990.

Another TRS leader B Vinod Kumar also suspected that the Congress party was trying to instigate violence and shifting the blame on to the TRS. He appealed to the students and TRS workers to be wary of such forces.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ShyamSP » 09 Dec 2009 04:15

With this kind of fasting he can continue to do for a year. If he really wants to do, he should return all the bribes he took for doing this fasting and do it like Potti Sriramulu and die for the cause. :P

Is KCR's fasting really called fasting?
http://teluguflavours.com/politics/view ... %20fasting?
KCR's fasting reached 10th day. This is the scrolling news one can seen on any TV channel today. One might be wondering, how a diabetic patient like KCR, who is also suffering from BP and multiple health issues be able to sustain 10 days of fasting. Even a healthy person cannot fast for more than a week and sustain. But in the case of KCR, the doctors are administering him saline containing the required glucose, fats, proteins and minerals.
Is this condition termed as fasting is the question in the minds of many people. People suffering from severe Jaundice and viral fevers are generally kept on saline for around 15 days. Is that condition also termed as fasting?
KCR can easily spend another month on salines without consuming solid food. Guess then KCR will enter the Guinness book for fasting for more than a month according to our terminology.
Its time for KCR to realise that technically he is not fasting, but just avoiding solid foods. It would be better if he officially declares that he is not fasting and end the tense atmosphere prevailing in Telangana regions from past 10 days.
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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 09 Dec 2009 04:20

Maybe the doctors should bell the cat.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Dasari » 09 Dec 2009 05:43

After 50 years of existence, splitting the state is like disturbing the hornet nest. If Telangana is made separate state, Rayalaseema with 4 districts has to be made separate state. If Vizag is not made capital of Andhra, then the 4 districts in the north would like to have their own state.

Finally how about Hyderabad? The key here is how MIM is going to react. If MIM, the party with the support of Muslims in the old city doesn't support Telangana, then Hyderabad cannot join Telangana and the movement is back to square one. Can Telangana separatists dare to form Telangana without Hyderabad? I don't think so. It is all about Hyderabad, from both sides.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Virupaksha » 09 Dec 2009 17:11

well jagan's role in all this to slight Rosiah is coming out in the open

http://www.eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qry ... panel3.htm
Only Headlines translation.
KVP, Jagan's Conspiracy
To backstab the telangana movement only
The destruction in hyderabad is completely their action only
angry Harish Rao, Naayani allege


Note that Harish Rao is the second most senior leader for KCR and is considered right hand for him.

Regarding KCRs condition, seems like it is true fasting only
http://www.eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qry ... anel2.htm'
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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby RamaY » 10 Dec 2009 01:21

OK Telangana is a reality now. INC announced it and KCR stopped his fasting.

Like some say here; it is the popular mandate :lol: Let us hope Telangana state will be a success story.

The next question is will (remaining) AP remains single or splits into two states.

Looks like INC can decide anything at this moment. Yesterday they exonerated ABV from Babri-demolition squad and put the blame on PVNR (not that I care, but it is interesting how these people are doing the extrajudicial character judgments) . it is very interesting phenomenon in Indian administrative poli-tricks.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Virupaksha » 10 Dec 2009 01:39

RamaY wrote:Like some say here; it is the popular mandate :lol:

:rotfl: :rotfl:

well popular mandate when measured by how many buses you will destroy.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby munna » 10 Dec 2009 02:34

Telangana has taken a long time in coming into being! Whatever may be the history I welcome the state designate and invite people from state designate to rededicate ourselves to the cause of Union of India. Hyderabad can be operated on the basis of Chandigarh or the centre may develop a common governance model to be applied to all disputed state capitals lest they end up having unrepresentative governments.
No need to shaft political players as they only responded to the under currents amongst people, India is slowly moving towards a more federal and devolved political structure, whether it is for good or for bad it remains to be seen!

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Virupaksha » 10 Dec 2009 02:52

munna,

the problem is it has opened up a pandora's box. Forget about its cascading effects on other states.

1) Status of hyderabad - TRS is so weak and so powerless in hyderabad that it did not even contest the municipal elections, fearing drubbing. Hyderabad has a 1/3rd muslim population and 1/3rd "settler" population (i.e. people from non-telangana Andhra Pradesh/ other states) and most of the business is in the hands of these population, who do not want to touch telangana with a barge pole. So you see that there is a "huge" demand in seeking UT status for hyderabad. If it happens, telangana will be even more poorer than it is right now. It severely depends on the MIM role, though.

2) Andhra Pradesh was telangana+ rayalseema + coastal andhra (uttarandhra + krishna-godavari deltas). So the remaining parts are rayalseema + uttarandhra + krishna-godavari. Each of them have a very big city Kurnool/tirupati, Vijayawada, Vizag and will stake it for the capital - with each of them playing black mail - translated into burning buses, dharnas, bandhs.

Good luck pacifying them. Did I tell you that there are small scale agitations for uttarandhra, costal andhra, raayalseema going on.

Reason for the nonsense here and the lack of nonsense for jharkand, chattisgarh is simple. The seceeding part of state was far away from the capital. But here the capital part is going out.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby munna » 10 Dec 2009 03:05

ravi_ku wrote:1) Status of hyderabad - TRS is so weak and so powerless in hyderabad that it did not even contest the municipal elections, fearing drubbing. Hyderabad has a 1/3rd muslim population and 1/3rd "settler" population (i.e. people from non-telangana Andhra Pradesh/ other states) and most of the business is in the hands of these population, who do not want to touch telangana with a barge pole. So you see that there is a "huge" demand in seeking UT status for hyderabad. If it happens, telangana will be even more poorer than it is right now. It severely depends on the MIM role, though

That is why insist on evolving a mechanism to resolve the capital's issue as the declaration of Chandigarh as the UT was one of the main reasons behind Khalistani agitation. The capitals for new states should be decided by a formula that gives the successor state some leverage and not be made an out and out loser. Regarding Hyderabad, having a Delhi (pre-1990s) like setup would not be bad whereby the city may elect a Chief Executive Councillor to govern the city state and Telanaga can similarly benefit economically like Gurgaon benefitted from Delhi and Mohali from Chandigarh. Infact I would recommend the same for Chandigarh as well. All big and major metropolitan regions should be made autonomous under some new category of executive leadersship.

2) Andhra Pradesh was telangana+ rayalseema + coastal andhra (uttarandhra + krishna-godavari deltas). So the remaining parts are rayalseema + uttarandhra + krishna-godavari. Each of them have a very big city Kurnool/tirupati, Vijayawada, Vizag and will stake it for the capital - with each of them playing black mail - translated into burning buses, dharnas, bandhs

Yes that is there and frankly as of now I am out of depth on sub regional dynamics of AP.


Good luck pacifying them. Did I tell you that there are small scale agitations for uttarandhra, costal andhra, raayalseema going on.

Well pacification is a challenge but at the same time historic claims and sustainability of the state should be thought of as well. Telanagana had a very valid claim to state hood rooted in decades of political mobilization, now it remains to be seen as to how will the centre deal with similar or less reasonable agitations? Beats me at least!

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ShyamSP » 10 Dec 2009 03:19

Assuming there is no talk on how the rest of AP (AP - Telengana region) is setttled, I don't think people/MLAs there root for Telengana.

With in Telengana region, Hyderabad&Rangareddi don't want to be with Telengana, (20+ Greater Hyderabad MLAs took resolution that Hyderabad can't be in Telengana a few days ago. Hope they seriously abide by that resolution).

Khammam district wants to be with Coastal Andhra. Mahaboob Nagar district has less T-issue and I don't know if they support.

Unless they buy MLAs and do shitty poltics, Telengana bill may not be passed with just support from some of Telengana MLAs (TRS MLAs are 10 out of 119 seats. Strength depends on how many from other parties cross)

As a Telugu guy, I hope the bill doesn't pass.
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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Virupaksha » 10 Dec 2009 03:21

munna wrote:That is why insist on devolving a mechanism to resolve the capital's issue as the declaration of Chandigarh as the UT was one of the main reasons behind Khalistani agitation. The capital for new states should be decided by a formula that gives the successor state some leverage and not be made an out and out loser. Regarding Hyderabad, having a Delhi (pre-1990s) like setup would not be bad whereby the city may elect a Chief Executive Councillor to govern the city state and Telanaga can similarly benefit economically like Gurgaon benefitted from Delhi and Mohali from Chandigarh. Infact I would recommend the same for Chandigarh as well. All big and major metropolitan regions should be made autonomous under some new category of executive leadersship.

Munna,

there are some issues which you seem to overlook. Telangana is not as fertile as coastal andhra is. Thus it has been subsidised by the rest of the state all this time. The big businesses of coastal andhra and raayalseema all had set up base in hyderabad thus driving its growth -which went to madras before APs formation. With telengana formation, this hidden subsidisation of hyderabad by these areas will go as the new investments will move onto their new state capital, whatever it is. Add to this, telangana is an inland state - so no ports, ergo no export(non-IT) oriented businesses.
Yes that is there and frankly as of now I am out of depth on sub regional dynamics of AP.

moving towards the state capital is a given. We have to understand what this means.

Well pacification is a challenge but at the same time historic claims and sustainability of the state should be thought of as well. Telanagana had a very valid claim to state hood rooted in decades of political mobilization, now it remains to be seen as to how will the centre deal with similar or less reasonable agitations? Beats me at least!

As you said it is rooted only in "political mobilization", without grounds of sustainability. The nizam state was divided into telangana, parts of maharashtra, parts of karnataka. Strictly speaking combining telangana with these areas is highly sustainable as nizam's rule shows, but is maharashtra/ karnataka ready for it.

That is why I talked about pandora's box and forgetting effects on other states.

Btw good luck to myself as I am in the process of becoming a telangana resident myself.

Discloser: I come under the "settler" community.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby Virupaksha » 10 Dec 2009 03:22

ShyamSP wrote:As a Telugu guy, I hope the bill doesn't pass.

Shyam,

One word from Sonia Maino Gandhi will do the trick :evil:

But dont forget the most important part, creation of a state, setting its boundaries is completely a center's domain and the state legislature has absolutely no role, except for show.
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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby RamaY » 10 Dec 2009 03:23

SwamyG wrote:RamaY: On hindsight, the Masjid collapse was a varaprasadam for INC. It has an incident that it can use all the time to beat down BJP.


I disagree on the semantics SwamyG garu. It is BJP who lost the game for India.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby RamaY » 10 Dec 2009 03:38

munna wrote:No need to shaft political players as they only responded to the under currents amongst people, India is slowly moving towards a more federal and devolved political structure, whether it is for good or for bad it remains to be seen!


Munna-ji

The bolded portion depends upon how one sees a given event/development.

Some sees it the way you saw it, and hope for the best (or worse). Others see a pattern to the events and try to see the motives of the decision makers.

Motivations determine actions. Actions determine results.

That is why insist on evolving a mechanism to resolve the capital's issue as the declaration of Chandigarh as the UT was one of the main reasons behind Khalistani agitation.


Hyderabad is in the middle of Telangana, and is not directly accessible to rest of Andhra, so Chandigarh is a bad example. More over, without Hyd, Telangana has no alternative tax-revenue generating city.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ShyamSP » 10 Dec 2009 03:53

RamaY wrote:
That is why insist on evolving a mechanism to resolve the capital's issue as the declaration of Chandigarh as the UT was one of the main reasons behind Khalistani agitation.


Hyderabad is in the middle of Telangana, and is not directly accessible to rest of Andhra, so Chandigarh is a bad example. More over, without Hyd, Telangana has no alternative tax-revenue generating city.


If you join Mahaboob Nagar, Ranga Reddy, Nalgonda into rest of Andhra you get Chandigarh like border.

I wonder when do any old-city Muslim leader go fasting to get separate old-Hyderabad-city state. Hyderbad can be trifuricated into three states/UTs - One for Muslims, one for Telengana, one for rest of people.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby yvijay » 10 Dec 2009 03:55

ravi_ku wrote:Munna,

there are some issues which you seem to overlook. Telangana is not as fertile as coastal andhra is. Thus it has been subsidised by the rest of the state all this time. The big businesses of coastal andhra and raayalseema all had set up base in hyderabad thus driving its growth -which went to madras before APs formation. With telengana formation, this hidden subsidisation of hyderabad by these areas will go as the new investments will move onto their new state capital, whatever it is. Add to this, telangana is an inland state - so no ports, ergo no export(non-IT) oriented businesses.

Discloser: I come under the "settler" community.


Whoa nice mudslinging on telangana. Pray tell how did other regions subsidize telangana when the major ruse was that the funds and water are diverted to Andhra region. Coastal Andhra begun to develop after the Nagarjuna sagar dam was built and the major share of water goes to this region, although the dam itself was built in Telangana. And until YSR no major irrigation were taken up in telangana, although both Godavari and Krishna go through it. The fact of matter is AP politics was dominated by Andhra politicians and that’s where funds went. And that is what telangana people believe even if you don’t agree.
And somebody said
And let us wait and see how much the capital will be shifted to Andhra and how poor telangana will become without them, before passing judgements. Telangana is unfortunate to be under oiseaule nizam, who enriched himself without doing anything for the region. At least, British invested in education and irrigation projects.
OT but I’m totally confused about how it developed so fast. It came out of blue from nowhere. KCR was totally decimated in the last elections. The sentiment is not even strong in all the districts. It was strong in Nizamabad, Adilabad, Warangal and Medak. But even there he did not get that many seats. It’s not that other districts did not want it but they were just sitting on the fence, kind of like join the state if it happens. Congress is doing well in the state and I thought they have no reason to accede to it, but what would I know of congress politics. I’m unable to understand what’s happening. This would not have happened if YSR was still alive. He had a good grip on the situation.
P.S: I'm from Hyderabad and I too wanted a unified AP but since the decision has been taken, mudslinging will not takes us anywhere.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby RamaY » 10 Dec 2009 04:00

There are many underlying currents, is what I am saying.

If we are creating the impressing that getting statehood for a region requires only a fast-unto-death, burning few busses, attacking non-locals, and paralyzing the administration, then we are creating many problems for ourselves in near future.

It is the INC govt. that hyped the Telangana agitation (this time and whenever it wanted in the past), not the Telangana agitation itself.

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby munna » 10 Dec 2009 04:44

RamaY wrote:There are many underlying currents, is what I am saying.

If we are creating the impressing that getting statehood for a region requires only a fast-unto-death, burning few busses, attacking non-locals, and paralyzing the administration, then we are creating many problems for ourselves in near future.

It is the INC govt. that hyped the Telangana agitation (this time and whenever it wanted in the past), not the Telangana agitation itself.


Ramayji why do not you look at it as a safety valve? At least people are demanding things from GOI and not picking up guns and as long as there are strong under currents for demands (within the realm of constitutional feasibility), it is better to agree and let the people make a decision. It know it may not always be the most optimum solution nor the most prudent one but at least it puts the disaffected elements in the driving seat which could either redeem or discredit them. Let us see how the nascent state of Telangana performs, I wish it all the very best and hope for a repeat of Uttarakhand. Best of luck...

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Re: States News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 10 Dec 2009 04:46

Yvijay et al. This time the dynamics are different. YSR son & KRR wanted to show their muscle and dislodge K Rosiah. So he funds the KCR agitation. The fact that center agreed to Telengana shows how afraid they are of YSR progeny. The game was that Rosiah will be removed and CM ship offered to YS Jagan. INC chose to split the state.
INC dont intend to yield to YSR progeny the power.

INC internal fights are costing the state.


Dont know if the plot for Telengana was hatched in India or abroad.

And now there will be fracturing in all of Deccan: Maharastra, Karnataka and Andhra.

Someone was saying this will lead to consolidation of forces to oppose INC. Dont know if that can happen in small pockets.

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Munna the traditional dynamics dont apply here. please dont post without knowing the issues. Andhra is the historic gateway of Deccan. Any trouble ther will affect all that area.


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