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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 10 Oct 2011 13:47

MIM is playing a double game. Openly it is saying it has not problems of T formation. But during consultations it is saying it is against T and want United AP. Though there are several assurances from TRS, they are not convinced that their life will be same after the split. If the split really happens, politics wise there are two theories: (1) T will be a maoist den and could become like Jharkhand where eight partiles split the 80 seats (10 each). (2) T-TDP is still intact though lot of sand and water moved to TRS. It is a OBC den and it could merge into BJP post split giving a push to BJP becoming relevant in T areas. HYD portions though sore with the split currently will have to choose a main stream party overtime and BJP is the best bet to keep the Razakars at bay.

While (1) is a disaster, (2) could be a good sign in terms of T's governance. This is where MIM gets wet pants.

Now talking realpolitik, INC/UPA is in real shaky with 2G and leaks. Their voteshare and their ability to win assembiles is at their lowest. The only portions that are still with INC are Muslims and dalits (not in UP/Bihar though). MIM has the abilities to spread their Takleef to UP and that will wipe INC out of India forever. Current INC is not interested in doing a Rajiv Gandhi style political blunders with respect to Muslims.

This is the reason for waiting so long, otherwise they would have announced a decision.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby sum » 10 Oct 2011 14:01

^^ It was amazing in the show yesterday that ALL the muslims( small kids to old grandpas) who spoke were only talking about increasing muslim political power and xyz muslim grievance and not one did care about AP or Telegana view etc...

Have to admire the way the community has a single minded focus and all members of that community will toe the line best for their community, other things be damned..

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby nvishal » 10 Oct 2011 14:12

Gandhi Bhavan turns into a battleground
HYDERABAD: It was free-for-all at Gandhi Bhavan here on Sunday with Telangana and Seemandhra Youth Congress workers hurling chairs at each other.

This shows the legitimacy of AP govt in telangana. The andhra side has the political key and T side knows it.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vishvak » 10 Oct 2011 14:26

sum wrote:Yesterday on NDTV, Sri Owaisi of MIM also used the same BJP thing to oppose T. He mentioned that just like NDTV did a story of unmarked graves in J&K, it will soon do a story on marked graves in the new state of T ( if it is approved) since the only beneficiary of T would be the BJP and there would be lots of graves ( assuming of IMs) beacuse of that.. :-?

It is an indicator of planning marginalization of non-muslims by the goons. What happened in Kashmir is for everyone to see.

Making the majority on the defensive af it is Hindus who are always at fault, is not a good sign no matter when.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 10 Oct 2011 19:19

MIM's motives might be more closely related to their strong hold in Hyderabad. back in 80's and 90's MIM used to have a lot of takleef with Coastal migrants. it tried to stop it. but rise of TDP put a strong check on their gimmicks. i think people still remember the pre-NTR situation where MIM used to cause riots every few years just to keep the pot boiling. one good thing NTR did was putting an end to this. MIM could do nothing but watch as Telugus took over Hyd. the Urdu speaking Nawabi culture was replaced by a strong Telugu/Hindu middle class culture.

But, over the years, this development caused Hyd to become a major economic center. this has benefited MIM hugely. they have been able to cash in on the economic surge. now, they are also part of the politico-criminal networks in Hyd and benefit from the economic vibrancy that Hindu middle class has created.

it is possible that MIM senses a threat to their financial strength if T is formed. doesn't mean that they are great friends of the above mentioned Hindu middle-class. just that money has been pouring into their empire, which they'd like to keep pouring in.

JMTP's....

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Oct 2011 19:25

devesh wrote:MIM's motives might be more closely related to their strong hold in Hyderabad. back in 80's and 90's MIM used to have a lot of takleef with Coastal migrants. it tried to stop it. but rise of TDP put a strong check on their gimmicks. i think people still remember the pre-NTR situation where MIM used to cause riots every few years just to keep the pot boiling. one good thing NTR did was putting an end to this. MIM could do nothing but watch as Telugus took over Hyd. the Urdu speaking Nawabi culture was replaced by a strong Telugu/Hindu middle class culture.

But, over the years, this development caused Hyd to become a major economic center. this has benefited MIM hugely. they have been able to cash in on the economic surge. now, they are also part of the politico-criminal networks in Hyd and benefit from the economic vibrancy that Hindu middle class has created.

it is possible that MIM senses a threat to their financial strength if T is formed. doesn't mean that they are great friends of the above mentioned Hindu middle-class. just that money has been pouring into their empire, which they'd like to keep pouring in.

JMTP's....


My Brother in law while working in a hospital when he could get the a particular medical term in Hindi/Urdu, asked the patient why he doesnt understand Telugu to which the patient responded " Shehaar Hamara hai Saab , Yeh Telegu walleh abhi ayyeh"

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 10 Oct 2011 21:05

I still remember in early 1980s and before that there used to me curfew for 2 to 3 monhs in many area of Hyderabad and we can not speak in Telugu at all. In 1983 during first year of NTR rule also there were stabbings. But police have taken strong action and that was the last time curfew was imposed. NTR was supported by BJP at that time and slowly Telugu started to be used in Hyderabad. The last major stabbings were done when Chenna Reddy was CM and people allege that the same were organised by YSR at the instigation of J N Reddy. Chenna Reddy lost CM position due to the same.

Just released news RTC bus agitation said to be stoped for now.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 10 Oct 2011 22:55

From the book on Nizam's dominions, its clear that his state was economically viable only because it had the other areas attached to it. These areas were spun off after States reorganization.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 11 Oct 2011 05:01

a conversation in Future Strat Scenario-GDF:

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brihaspati ji,
you've predicted a "surprising toehold for saffron" in AP in 5 years time. I am very curious at this. IMVHO, BJP's recent activism will take at least 10 years to start shaking things up in AP. in all likelihood, BJP's forces will ride under TDP, but will create bottom's-up forces that start showing their affect and will eventually result in direct power for BJP in AP politics.

5 years seems too soon to me. but I guess, it all depends on the social forces that are taking shape.
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There is a complex inner struggle developing in the region - within Reds, and the rapidly changing inter-regional confrontation. Neither TDP, nor Congress, nor ex-Congress, can span both sides of this multidimensional confrontation in a tight embrace. Whatever be the ultimate form of the split, all the existing groups go down including the Reds. Although each of them started and contributed to this war, thinking to gain out of it - each will be partly destroyed into political ineffectiveness.

Let the war of attrition continue - even the forces behind the separatism will be replaced by opportunists who will compromise on personal terms. The best way to kill a revolution is to let it continue to simmer - by which its most dedicated and idealistic determined ones get eroded out in a "natural process".
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Reds as in Maoists/Commies right?
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Yes - but not only the Maoists, also whatever remains of the "moderate Left". Very strong undercurrents of going and coming.


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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 11 Oct 2011 06:06

Devesh Garu - I have worked for BJP many years in the past. There is simply no passion in the local leadership in AP for improving the party. The percentage of votes they got in the 2009 elections is less than 2. Even in Telangana areas with all the agitations BJP will not be allowed to grow by congress and even TRS which may either mearge with Congress or become a party like Siva Sena. In either of conditions BJP will remain a marginal player there also. BJP needs to lot of work in building organisation, regularly contest elections and so on. In Hyderabad city i do not think BJP will be in a position to recovery for the next 10 years. Supporting Telangana agitation is one thing. being seen with KSR and abusing all non Telangana people another thing. Many of the BJP leaders from Telangana are doing that. In AP entire non congress or anti congress votes go to TDP and BJP is in no position to challenge TDP in near future. Venkayya Naidu and other so called leaders never should interest to contest elections from AP and BJP got one vote in his native village. With this kind of legacy and weaknesses BJP will find it very difficult to become a player in AP united or divided.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Satya_anveshi » 11 Oct 2011 06:46

pak hindu party = pakhandi party = shikhandi party

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 11 Oct 2011 07:49

Narayana Rao wrote:Devesh Garu - I have worked for BJP many years in the past. There is simply no passion in the local leadership in AP for improving the party. The percentage of votes they got in the 2009 elections is less than 2. Even in Telangana areas with all the agitations BJP will not be allowed to grow by congress and even TRS which may either mearge with Congress or become a party like Siva Sena. In either of conditions BJP will remain a marginal player there also. BJP needs to lot of work in building organisation, regularly contest elections and so on. In Hyderabad city i do not think BJP will be in a position to recovery for the next 10 years. Supporting Telangana agitation is one thing. being seen with KSR and abusing all non Telangana people another thing. Many of the BJP leaders from Telangana are doing that. In AP entire non congress or anti congress votes go to TDP and BJP is in no position to challenge TDP in near future. Venkayya Naidu and other so called leaders never should interest to contest elections from AP and BJP got one vote in his native village. With this kind of legacy and weaknesses BJP will find it very difficult to become a player in AP united or divided.


BJP Into 3 Groups On Caste Lines in Telangana
Published Date : 09-Oct-2011 22:00:00 GMT
Being the only national political party that is extending crucial support for Telangana cause, Bharateeya Janata Party, instead of attempting to extend its political base in Telangana region, locked in deep-rooted groupism. The party leaders have divided into three groups in the region, mostly on caste region. Three of them turned second fiddle to other stalwarts of Telangana agitation with out projecting them as alternate leaders in the region.

Former union minister Ch Vidyasagara Rao is always seen with TRS Chief K Chandrasekhar Rao. He is the only BJP leader who accompanied him during his recent trip to Delhi, though it was not decided by State BJP. Even State BJP's Telangana Sadhana Committee was also not consulted in this region. Vidyasagar Rao's main ambition is only to get re-elected from Karimnagar Lok Sabha constituency, where he was fourth candidate with mere 50,000 votes, when he contested against Chandrasekhar Rao in the by-election, that were necessitated after the first resignation of KCR from Lok Sabha. Since then he was convinced that he cannot win on BJP's strength, he need TRS support for it. Only leaders from Velama community in BJP are now behind him.

Another former union minister Bandaru Dattatreya is mostly seen in the presence of Maoist backed Gaddar. Dattatreya is mostly seen in the presence of SC, ST and BC leaders. BJP cadre alleging him of allaying with Maoist supporters ignoring party's ideological opposition to them. His eyes are on Secunderabad Lok Sabha constituency. However, as Seemandhra people are in large number in this constituency, many BJP leaders wonder how can he expect to elect to Lok Sabha from this constituency being fore-front campaigner in Telangana struggle.

Third leader, state BJP President G Kishan Reddy is trying to ally with his community leaders in the region. He is very close to jailed Gali Janardhana Reddy. He is now practically isolated leader with in state BJP due to his proximity with former national president M Venkaiah Naidu.

Due to these leaders’ intense factionism, party cadre worried that they cannot gain even Telangana state is formed.
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^^^
Same issue plagues Congress also. Reddy group wants to control Hyderabad and surrounding so Velama group is limited to TRS areas. Another group is doing T-movement which yet another group is sucking up to Center. Then there is YSR group who still stay in Congress.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 11 Oct 2011 18:59

Narayana Rao garu,

I agree. what we need is a gradual weakening of the existing elite so new ones can take their place. the T movement could achieve that. the havoc that INC has wreaked will have long term effects. but a new convergence towards the benefits of being part of a national party might be needed. it could happen.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vijayk » 11 Oct 2011 19:58

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/ra ... r-1.887002
New Delhi: The Congress party general secretary Rahul Gandhi may become the new prime minister of India early next year.

Sources in the Congress party say that there is a strong possibility of Rahul being promoted as the new prime minister before the crucial legislative assembly election in Uttar Pradesh and half a dozen other states.


The plan may be to create T state when the yuvraj becomes pee-yem...

The savior comes and saves T.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 11 Oct 2011 20:29

^^^
vijayk garu, watch next few days regarding SC ruling on Chidu. If Chidu is indicted and to be investigated, then the next person is Vadra who will be in Tihar. Once Vadra is in it is the end of family. Chidu's investigation is the red line here and that will make the center really unstable and Rahul becoming PM is a remote chance. This seems to be the game of MMS+Pranab's combo.

Regarding T, why should government even wait or move columns of armed forces to Hyd and Telangana if the decision is to grant T. The reason at this time is they are indeed against creating T. They are planning to keep AP united with some financial packages.

In a banana republic one never know the changes as things are rapidily changing in several directions on an hourly basis. T may be created after all.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 11 Oct 2011 21:23

Warning: This is NDTV video and anchor is Burqua Dutta so take anti-vomit drug before watching at your own risk :D
As usual panel is unbalanced but good thing is less dramatic.

Telangana: An idea whose time has come?

Media-watch question is why is she sporting Big Bindi (Bottu) being such a anti-hindu. Does she want to show
to world that what comes out of her mouth is Hindu voice?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 11 Oct 2011 21:30

vijayk wrote:http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/rahul-may-become-next-prime-minister-1.887002
New Delhi: The Congress party general secretary Rahul Gandhi may become the new prime minister of India early next year.

Sources in the Congress party say that there is a strong possibility of Rahul being promoted as the new prime minister before the crucial legislative assembly election in Uttar Pradesh and half a dozen other states.


The plan may be to create T state when the yuvraj becomes pee-yem...

The savior comes and saves T.


Sonia gift fizzled so it is chota raj as PM gift now?

Is your thinking like below?
* Give T and sweep T with TRS folded into Congress.
* With Chiru sweep Coastal as Chiru will pacify any anti-T sentiment
* With Jagan sweep Rayalaseema with promise of Jagan being CM for non-T state?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 11 Oct 2011 21:40

devesh wrote:Narayana Rao garu,

I agree. what we need is a gradual weakening of the existing elite so new ones can take their place. the T movement could achieve that. the havoc that INC has wreaked will have long term effects. but a new convergence towards the benefits of being part of a national party might be needed. it could happen.


I don't see that happening. Throughout history it never happened and unlike elsewhere AP elite are from dynamic castes as Muppalla alluded before.
BJP never built ground up in AP even RSS folks need not go and vote for BJP in AP as they may choose TDP, anti-congress party. BJP is doing mistake of wanting to gain TDP votes which in turn make Congress stronger and doesn't have strategies to get Congress votes. In its perverted logic it is screwing its own chances of bringing anti-congress forces up across India.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 11 Oct 2011 21:45

At the root as Hugh Tinker writes in his book India and Paksitan, AP is a divided soceity and politicial parties have to play their cards to get elected. BJP has no chance as all the groups are already committed to existing setup. And fear of "the other" makes the groups form coalitions which benefit only some of them.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vijayk » 11 Oct 2011 23:06

ShyamSP wrote:
vijayk wrote:http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/rahul-may-become-next-prime-minister-1.887002



Sonia gift fizzled so it is chota raj as PM gift now?

Is your thinking like below?
* Give T and sweep T with TRS folded into Congress.
* With Chiru sweep Coastal as Chiru will pacify any anti-T sentiment
* With Jagan sweep Rayalaseema with promise of Jagan being CM for non-T state?

exactly. The yuvraj fought evil andhras (or andhrites insultingly as our brothers call us here) and granted a T state. TRS merges with CON gang to sweep T areas in 2014 (17 seats) .

Chiru and his caste will get the votes for CON men in Andhra.
Jagan will take away anti-establishment vote.
TDP is screwed on even if they win 10 out of 25, they are in the the same boat as now in AP.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vijayk » 11 Oct 2011 23:15

Muppalla wrote:^^^
vijayk garu, watch next few days regarding SC ruling on Chidu. If Chidu is indicted and to be investigated, then the next person is Vadra who will be in Tihar. Once Vadra is in it is the end of family. Chidu's investigation is the red line here and that will make the center really unstable and Rahul becoming PM is a remote chance. This seems to be the game of MMS+Pranab's combo.



If this Vadra thing ever happens, I will send you a big Wine bottle.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vnadendla » 11 Oct 2011 23:23

vijayk wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
Sonia gift fizzled so it is chota raj as PM gift now?

Is your thinking like below?
* Give T and sweep T with TRS folded into Congress.
* With Chiru sweep Coastal as Chiru will pacify any anti-T sentiment
* With Jagan sweep Rayalaseema with promise of Jagan being CM for non-T state?

exactly. The yuvraj fought evil andhras (or andhrites insultingly as our brothers call us here) and granted a T state. TRS merges with CON gang to sweep T areas in 2014 (17 seats) .

Chiru and his caste will get the votes for CON men in Andhra.
Jagan will take away anti-establishment vote.
TDP is screwed on even if they win 10 out of 25, they are in the the same boat as now in AP.


With T
Caste or No caste Cong will be wiped out in Andhra. TRS will win 15. MIM 1 and Any anti T Hyd candidate (whoever) 1.

Chiru will lose deposit in Tirupathi.
No TDP support under any circumstance. Andhras are so mad that they are forced to be Anti Cong in addition Anti BJP. Maybe Third front may be possible.

Without T
Cong = 6-12 (There are some who can win e.g LR, TGV). TRS will win 15. MIM 1 and Any anti T Hyd candidate (whoever) 1. TDP rest.


You want atleast 6-12 of your MPs or you want to depend on KCR for 15?

Who will TDP support? No 3rd front. BJP is four letter word in Andhra now. Neutral or outside support.

T is not as big of an advantage as it is made out to be. Non Cong Anti T candidates have no option.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 12 Oct 2011 01:34

ShyamSP wrote:
devesh wrote:Narayana Rao garu,

I agree. what we need is a gradual weakening of the existing elite so new ones can take their place. the T movement could achieve that. the havoc that INC has wreaked will have long term effects. but a new convergence towards the benefits of being part of a national party might be needed. it could happen.


I don't see that happening. Throughout history it never happened and unlike elsewhere AP elite are from dynamic castes as Muppalla alluded before.
BJP never built ground up in AP even RSS folks need not go and vote for BJP in AP as they may choose TDP, anti-congress party. BJP is doing mistake of wanting to gain TDP votes which in turn make Congress stronger and doesn't have strategies to get Congress votes. In its perverted logic it is screwing its own chances of bringing anti-congress forces up across India.



shyam garu,

don't be so sure of the "dynamic" thing. the present elite have been in power for centuries. at some point decadence sets in. it's inevitable. a new generation is coming up or has already in come up in the elites. their lifestyles, and life agendas are completely different from their parents. this is happening in front of our eyes. there is a huge chunk of the Telugu elite who's children are nothing like them....I have personally witnessed this in several families in both Reddys and Velamas.

the old order in AP is breathing its last breathes. either way, their time is running out. Jagan will most likely be the last stand of the old order. eventually, these elites (from all regions of AP) will all coalesce around him to put up a front. till now they went alone and dominated, but their numbers and strength are going down.

Telangana issue has only accelerated this trend. Watch the new generation in these families and see if they have the same ruthless will and ambition to suppress and dominate? some like Jagan do. but he is an exception. eventually they will all gather around this exception and hope to ride out the storm. but they will be overwhelmed.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 12 Oct 2011 01:43

So deveshgaru, T movement and its reactions is like a revloution where old order changes yielding place to new.

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Postby devesh » 12 Oct 2011 01:52

question is what will the new order look like. it needs direction. there needs to be a period of "sannyasa" where they can meditate about things like Satavahana and Vijayanagara. Increasingly, I'm thinking that Kakatiya vision is not enough. Kakatiya vision means warfare with Seunas/Hoysalas/Pandya/Cholas. that disaster was enough once. no need to repeat again.

this is a very unique opportunity. and it reminds me that I need to wrap up in this land and move back within 6-7 year time frame.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 12 Oct 2011 01:59

small periods of intense conflict and chaos can be good if there are forces which can take advantage of it. think of the chaos that was unleashed by Islamic invasion into Deccan in the early part of 14th century when the pre-existing 4 power centers of South all collapsed b/c they couldn't unite. the instability and chaos paved way for Vijayanagara.

but even Vijayanagara was partly a failure from the beginning itself b/c the Godavari was never conquered. a South India Dharmic bastion needs to have both Krishna and Godavari under its control. this is a prerequisite. end goal is also to unite with Kaveri and build bridge across Narmada and Mahanadi into GV.

in known history, Satavahanas are the only ones who did the above and maintained that coalition/control for more than 500 years.

anyway, all of that is OT.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby brihaspati » 12 Oct 2011 03:30

ramana ji,
I said BJP may have a surprise opening in about 5-years time. It is not that BJP will sweep the state at one go. But it can become a surprise alternative. Don't ask me why and how I say this, but take it as something along the lines I had predicted about MB and subsequent events.

In fact the entire east coast will see unexpected changes over the next 12-15 years. There are forces that develop in a random but elastic system within a certain range of one co-variable. So that there is no fundamental changes observable as the variable keeps piling up. Then it crosses a crucial regime switching value and - boom - the whole plane in which the system vibrates abruptly shifts. Sometimes excess volatility can do the same [volatility induced regime switching].

Of course BJP will have a opening. I did not say that it will necessarily think of using it. AP coasts will change dramatically, and its a link in a long and crucial eastern flow that has effects from Odra to Kumari Kandyam.


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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 12 Oct 2011 09:15

seriously, my eyes were literally exploding out of my head while reading that article. wow, one would think that Hyd became solidified in 1948, and then nothing new happened in the 60 years since. the Owaisi influence is part of a broader network of Islamists who still dream of Khilafat and their lost power on Deccan. the above article is a classic example of their psyche. I am saving it for future. their nostalgia, their fears, their insecurities, and ultimately their perennial urge to "dominate" the Hindus pours out in that article...

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 12 Oct 2011 09:40

Calm down and deconstruct his claims.

To me he is finally openly saying no to UT status for Hyd.
He claims antiquity for that right.
He agrees that the growth was due to migrants since 1961.
There in lies a contradiction.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Oct 2011 10:12



This article is is an INC view with Owasi stamp. What he writes in the article and they way his party men behave in old city are tottaly different.

He toes whichever line the party High Command follows he will do it. Looks Like unfortunately T is on the way.

The most important issue is that the Paki Threats of T activists to other fellow Hyderabadis saying they will be kicked ou should be clamped down with a iron hand.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby SandeepA » 12 Oct 2011 17:33

Essentially that Owaisi article reeks of the MIM insecurities. They do not even represent Muslim insecurities.
The MIM dominates the old city and would like to use this to influence state politics.
1. In a united AP their voice is being heard and all major political parties(Cong, TDP etc) continue to pamper them. Also there is enough scope to grow and be seen as representing Muslim priorities in the rest of AP. BJP will never have a chance here.
2. However in a Telangana though Muslims will form a larger proportion of the population there will be greater polarization of votes with each riot. This will mean that MIM could be a major partner of the govt or the opposition depending the mood swings with each election. However this also means that the polarization will allow BJP more space which is a strict no-no and hence an avoidable proposition for MIM.
3. If Hyd were to be a UT then MIM will be the major player here however their domain will forever be limited to the city with all hopes of future expansion lost. The Muslims in non-Hyd T areas do not identify as much with MIM and also will be marginalised in T as their proportion will go down with Hyd being lost. This is an even bigger no-no got MIM.
4. In a Rayala-Telangana the MIM will enjoy the same benefits they currently enjoy albeit in a smaller state. This gives them enough influence and more than enough scope to grow among the Muslims outside of Hyd. Additionally this will kill any hopes BJP might have of gaining a foothold as the polarization in the R areas will never match that of the T areas. So if MIM cant say no to T then they will ask for the R-T option. This also works well for the Con-party as it will stump Jagan. So I'm betting on this one.

So what the MIM prefers in that order is 1, 4, 2, 3.
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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Oct 2011 17:35

ShyamSP wrote:Warning: This is NDTV video and anchor is Burqua Dutta so take anti-vomit drug before watching at your own risk :D
As usual panel is unbalanced but good thing is less dramatic.

Telangana: An idea whose time has come?

Media-watch question is why is she sporting Big Bindi (Bottu) being such a anti-hindu. Does she want to show
to world that what comes out of her mouth is Hindu voice?


Its like Prahant Bhusan being beaten for his anti-Kashmir comments. The Idea is to be Jackal in Sheep's clothing.

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Alimony Proposal for Andhra

Postby vnadendla » 12 Oct 2011 18:03

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/commen ... 1#comments

The formation of Telangana will be accepted by the Andhra people only through a hefty financial package, which would run into a few hundreds of thousands of crores of rupees, which would involve the building of a separate Andhra capital, and damages for dislocating the Andhra industry, including the film sector, from the city. Nothing else would do.

This is something that the central leaders cannot even think of and the Telangana leaders would rightly claim is not their concern.

The Andhra people had suffered a similar dislocation in 1953 when they had to abandon the then Madras city, which became the capital of the state of what is now Tamil Nadu, and they became the state of Andhra with Kurnool as their capital. The Andhra people thought they had found a permanent haven in Hyderabad. They are unwilling to accept a second exodus.

........

The leaders of Telangana will have to accept the burden of a costly alimony payment for severing the ties. The centre should facilitate the separation and structure and schedule the payment to be made in lieu of Hyderabad.


Alimony? KCR thought they will just grab and be done with it. Now you have to pay Alimony and sponsor the cash cow to leave Telangana.

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Re: Alimony Proposal for Andhra

Postby SandeepA » 12 Oct 2011 18:38

vnadendla wrote:

Alimony? KCR thought they will just grab and be done with it. Now you have to pay Alimony and sponsor the cash cow to leave Telangana.



This is more like the engagement ring before breakup. If the girl doesnt like the boy anymore then please return the ring or pay for it. The boy had spent a fortune buying this hoping they will live together forever and ever..

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 12 Oct 2011 21:40

No one is going to pay any money for new capital because Delhi does not have any such money to give in the first place. As of now INC is slowly creating options. Details and active discussion with all the leaders in AP, asking the CM to take action is negotiation, filing criminal cases, dividing RTC unions, is all being done to increase the range of options from which congress can select most suitable one that is most suitable political to congress. Slowly the parents in Telangana are demanding the schools and colleges are to be exempted from agitations. Tribals of AP have yesterday conducted a massive meet in Bharachalam and wants a Manneseema with all the tribal districts of AP in case AP is to be divided. BJP is very unhappy with so called JAC for fixing rail roko programme on the day Advani visits AP.

All these development have taken place immediately after the CM has returned from Delhi wherein it is said he was taken to task for not taking any action during agitations. Now it seems that the police are going to file criminal cases as and when such cases can filed. Now Congress MP's are openly supporting the Rail Roko agitation which is in open opposition to their High Command.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 12 Oct 2011 22:23

Narayana Rao wrote:Tribals of AP have yesterday conducted a massive meet in Bharachalam and wants a Manneseema with all the tribal districts of AP in case AP is to be divided.


The rumor in T is that Tribal state agitation is being triggered by Lagadapati.

The more T agitation grows, these things also will be grown to a point of no return. Hyd as UT, Manneseema etc plus Rayalaseema as new state and N.Andhra as new state will all grow with full pitch. Everything that the center has to answer and deal with if they decide to give T. They also have to decide on Capitals and costs for these thousand states.

I still do not think T will be approved by center. The only hope for T state is because India is led by a bunch of weak kneed leaders and probably the country is at this juncture looking like a banana republic.

It is practically impossible in 2011 to create a state with Article 371 type rules. Even if T folks say they only want a state and anyone can live there, the opponents are saying that the ground situation is different from what the proponents are saying. Forget the politicians, the people are not convinced.

The agitation will be suppressed in the coming weeks.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 12 Oct 2011 22:31

at this point I think giving T will open a 1000 new fronts across India and especially AP. with Manneseema, Rayalaseema, Telangana, North-Telangana, North Andhra, etc, it won't be long before India has 100 states instead of 28.

but it is also important to incorporate TRS into AP machinery and broader network of politico criminal money sharing. eventually that's what will most likely happen. the KCR crowd basically wants their share of the spoils. that will be given, and their agitation will die down.

consequence could be that Telangana elite become more integrated into the national/regional corruption schemes.
long term, this will be a crucial development.
the "doras" are kept alive b/c of their relative isolation from broader Andhra networks which feed into the national politico-financial networks. now they loose that isolation.

so, this is the step by step process:
1. KCR and others like him move out of the "Dora" model but still retain their old thinking.
2. they realize that centuries of isolation under Islamic rule has left them from making their share of profits.
3. many elite groups in T are tentatively or strongly behind KCR/TRS b/c they too came to the same realization.


future process:
1. they get included in the national profit sharing networks that go hand in hand with politics.

what does this mean for future India?
the elite networks now spread continuously from Konkan to Bay of Bengal. as T elites get incorporated, they will be instrumental in forming networks with Maharashtra-Karnataka-Coastal AP.

the positive/negative effects of this will slowly play out. either way, we are seeing a process where the elite of on particular region, long isolated, are now moving to rectify that - i'm not trying to paint this as some "valiant struggle". simply saying what I believe.

this in no way means that "dora" mentality of these elites is gone.
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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Prasad » 12 Oct 2011 22:33

I have no beef in this debate but why would somebody want to convert H'bad into a Chandigarh type of solution? From the maps I've seen in this thread, H'bad isnt going to be on the border between the possible split states. So it should be part of a telengana state if formed by that logic. Why not use it as a capital for both possible states? Its not like they're going to bar the gates of the city and not let anyone else in. (Although that owaisi farticle seems to be coming from that pov!). Is that too much for a single city to handle?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 12 Oct 2011 22:35

devesh wrote:but it is also important to incorporate TRS into AP machinery and broader network of politico criminal money sharing. eventually that's what will most likely happen. the KCR crowd basically wants their share of the spoils. that will be given, and their agitation will die down.


Dont remember who said it but this was the very point made in the first few pages of this thread.

The follow-on question would be, wasn't KCR and INC-T part of this system already given that they were part of TDP and INC parties before T-agitation?

Even before that they were part of the Jameen-dari system in Nizam rule.

So what changed?


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