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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 12 Oct 2011 22:50

I hope all Telugus read this. From Sakshi News Paper.

This is a news story on migration to cities. ~10Lakh population is migrating every year. This story covers some of the reasons. One can see that this migration is happening in all areas, not just telangana.

Key areas of concern:
1. Agriculture - We need crop insurance. Challenge is how to protect both land-owner and lease-owner interests
2. Hand Crafts / Local industry - Technolgy, Markets etc
3. Business Infra.

http://epaper.sakshi.com/epaperimages/12102011/12102011-sh-hyd-6/D26300718.JPG

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 12 Oct 2011 22:57

these groups, under the Nizam, were not really part of the pan-India networks that took shape under INC. if you recall, from 1920's to 1950's, INC made numerous attempts but never could do what it did so well in Andhra areas of Madras Presidency or in Bombay Presidency. Congress never really got the "chance" to incorporate these elites into their national networks. what emerged after Operation-Polo is that the same elite groups were content to enjoy their spoils with more "freedom" and didn't have to bother about the share that they had to give the Nizam.

later on, starting in 80's, some of these groups started moving out of the Village land-owner system and became entrepreneurs. some of them have now grown into large businesses with lot of influence. personally know one such family in Suryapet in Nalgonda. they are into chemicals and construction materials. not sure about their political leanings...

but the conflict came when they started aiming higher: these groups which started expanding eventually came into "conflict" with the Coastal networks, many of which were established during Presidency times. the T groups want the "equal rights" to expand into Coastal areas the same way that Coastal networks have been able to do in T areas. this is what the whole "agitation" is about. right now, things are headed in this way: some kind of profit-sharing scheme will be worked out where T-groups will be "allowed" to "enter" certain areas and take over some of the pre-existing Coastal networks.

that is why I said that T-settlers will start venturing into Guntur and Krishna areas in the next few years, and possibly even Prakasam.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 13 Oct 2011 00:24

RamaY, In the past 20 years of TDP rule, the TRS types didn't get to share the spoils. In YSR times also they were kept out. They don't belong to the Cosatal clan based networks.
I said long time back need to allow them to share the wealth as its not exclusive to any clan. Also need a way to make them accountable to regional public and not the party/varty.

Next P. Sainath the Hindu paper reporter, had an awesome series on the sufferings of Mahbubnagar farmers and how they migrate to Mumbai. I met some such migrants in mid 70s in Poona. Again in 90s in Karnataka. So its still contiuning. However once INC got elected in AP, Hindu stopped the coverage.


Devesh, Am not sure about the 'conflict'. By the 70s, marital relations started forming between the two areas. Other areas would follow if not for periodic eruption of tensions.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby KLNMurthy » 13 Oct 2011 01:43

ramana wrote:So deveshgaru, T movement and its reactions is like a revloution where old order changes yielding place to new.

IMO nothing revolutionary or progressive about T movement. It is a reactionary pushback by feudal/old style commie interests against tech-fueled new democratic order.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 13 Oct 2011 19:45

Narayana Rao wrote:No one is going to pay any money for new capital because Delhi does not have any such money to give in the first place. As of now INC is slowly creating options. Details and active discussion with all the leaders in AP, asking the CM to take action is negotiation, filing criminal cases, dividing RTC unions, is all being done to increase the range of options from which congress can select most suitable one that is most suitable political to congress. Slowly the parents in Telangana are demanding the schools and colleges are to be exempted from agitations. Tribals of AP have yesterday conducted a massive meet in Bharachalam and wants a Manneseema with all the tribal districts of AP in case AP is to be divided. BJP is very unhappy with so called JAC for fixing rail roko programme on the day Advani visits AP.

All these development have taken place immediately after the CM has returned from Delhi wherein it is said he was taken to task for not taking any action during agitations. Now it seems that the police are going to file criminal cases as and when such cases can filed. Now Congress MP's are openly supporting the Rail Roko agitation which is in open opposition to their High Command.


Playing both sides.

This is like saying to CM beat the heck out of them agitators and at the same time telling agitators go agitate like hell on non-T CM and people. In that past they used CM old man K Rosaiah like this. They sent him telling something on Dec 8th and made statement without his knowledge, as per him, on Dec 9th.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 13 Oct 2011 21:45

Looks like there is plan to stop Advani yatra to demand BJP to go neutral. In the middle of skirmish, it is evil opportunity for Congress to throw some bombs to divert the corruption yatra

http://www.andhraheadlines.com/state/se ... 90561.html
Demanding that the BJP change its attitude towards Telangana, the student leaders warned that they would obstruct the Rath Yatra of Mr L K Advani in the region. They also demanded that the Centre announce its decision to keep the State united by November 1 and warned that they would undertake dharna before the Assembly from November 2, if the government failed to do so

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vijayk » 13 Oct 2011 23:07

http://dailypioneer.com/pioneer-news/op ... unity.html
BJP’s missed opportunity

In a competitive bipolar polity a political blunder of the magnitude in Andhra Pradesh should have been a slam dunk opportunity for the BJP to resurrect itself. A party that sees itself as the natural alternative to the Congress should have been at the forefront in brokering a consensus in Andhra Pradesh given the prevailing environment of anarchy.

Unlike every other major political party that faces an existential factional feud over this issue, the BJP was in the unique position of being able to marshal public opinion on both sides of the Telangana debate.

With the TRS’s dishonorable conduct robbing what was a legitimate cause of all its moral sheen, and the conduct of some crony capitalist politicians from the rest of Andhra Pradesh vitiating the atmosphere, there has been an acute need for pan-Andhra leadership. The game of political one-upmanship that has been played out in Andhra Pradesh over Telangana has resulted in what should have been merely an administrative separation of regions assuming meaningless emotional overtones provoking and rationalising violence.


The right way out of this Telangana mess is for this to be a separation on mutually acceptable terms. It is incumbent on the advocates of a separate State of Telangana to win over the people in the rest of Andhra Pradesh to make the case for such a mutually acceptable separation. A move must be made to reach out to the rest of Andhra Pradesh to assuage anxieties and convince the people that a separate State of Telangana will in no way hurt their interests.

In fact, going a step further, it must be demonstrated how such a mutually acceptable separation of administration may actually be a win-win for all regions with greater devolution of powers and the opportunity for other cities to develop.

The BJP’s failure to distinguish itself uniquely with the above approach in Andhra Pradesh has practically resulted in a lost opportunity. With no credible pan-Andhra leadership that can straddle the regional divide, filling the vacuum resulting from a splintered and leaderless Congress and a discredited, divided Telugu Desam, the BJP is left to being a bit player in the debate, promising to support a Bill for Statehood in New Delhi while being able to influence little else in Andhra Pradesh.


This suspicion and distrust has largely resulted from crony capitalists on one side of the divide who are invested in Hyderabad thanks to political patronage and from extortionist politicians on the other side who see an opportunity for payback on what they believe was an unfair division of the spoils of power.


It must be asked why Andhra Pradesh as a whole has failed to produce credible leaders with integrity in more than a decade now.


Good question- Why?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 13 Oct 2011 23:31

WHile bemoaning the BJP's inability to gain in AP by 'exploiting' the situation the writer does pull an == with INC incompetence.

The article is hogwash as BJP does not have dog in the fight. Its a zero in Andhra (by becoming junior partner to TDP for whatever reasons) and has reduced to that in Telangana (where it cant win on its own).


As it has no chances it should have embraced a united state and got the support for its national stance. Instead it supported breakup of the state thinking that it will gain in that smaller area.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby brihaspati » 14 Oct 2011 01:17

They may switch to the other mode soon.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Kakkaji » 14 Oct 2011 05:12

ramana wrote:WHile bemoaning the BJP's inability to gain in AP by 'exploiting' the situation the writer does pull an == with INC incompetence.

The article is hogwash as BJP does not have dog in the fight. Its a zero in Andhra (by becoming junior partner to TDP for whatever reasons) and has reduced to that in Telangana (where it cant win on its own).


As it has no chances it should have embraced a united state and got the support for its national stance. Instead it supported breakup of the state thinking that it will gain in that smaller area.


ramanaji:

The BJP has always supported smaller states, for better governance. They have qualified their preference for smaller states by saying that the existing (larger) state's assembly has to pass a resolution agreeing to a division before a state should be divided. This is the principle they followed when Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and Uttaranchal were created.

I have not been following the Telangana issue that closely but, under the above norms, the current Andhra Pradesh assembly has to pass a resolution agreeing to division before Telangana should be separated from Andhra. For that, the Telangana folks have to work things out with the rest of Andhra folks so that a majority of current Andhra assembly will pass the resolution.

Of course the Congress Govt. at the Center is free to ignore any norms the BJP followed, and do as it pleases.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 14 Oct 2011 05:44

Asking for the opinion of the relevant state assembly is a constitutional requirement. Parliament is of course take take its own decision irrespective of the opinion. So Assembly discussions etc can not be by passed by Congress people. Further asking parliament to pass a constitutional amendment against the opinion of the state assembly with lot of regional pasties supporting congress is politically quite difficult. Most of the regional parties will oppose such moves. BJP may support congress on this. But will congress antagonize its core allies and join with BJP on such sensitive issue as creation of new states? I don't think so.

So congress now do not know what steps will benifit them and if they have capacity to take such steps in the current set up. They are very afraid to make a mistake in respect of a big state like AP as loss of AP on long term basis will finish off congress forever.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 14 Oct 2011 05:50

ramana wrote:WHile bemoaning the BJP's inability to gain in AP by 'exploiting' the situation the writer does pull an == with INC incompetence.

The article is hogwash as BJP does not have dog in the fight. Its a zero in Andhra (by becoming junior partner to TDP for whatever reasons) and has reduced to that in Telangana (where it cant win on its own).


As it has no chances it should have embraced a united state and got the support for its national stance. Instead it supported breakup of the state thinking that it will gain in that smaller area.


BJP initially supported TDP because Venkayya is also a Kamma person. As for as the present involvement is concerned the BJP leadership in AP is all Telangana based and they feel that they can come to power in Telangana is separate state is given. They do not care if they fail and BJP is wiped out in rest of AP.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vnadendla » 14 Oct 2011 17:52

Kakkaji wrote:
ramana wrote:WHile bemoaning the BJP's inability to gain in AP by 'exploiting' the situation the writer does pull an == with INC incompetence.

The article is hogwash as BJP does not have dog in the fight. Its a zero in Andhra (by becoming junior partner to TDP for whatever reasons) and has reduced to that in Telangana (where it cant win on its own).


As it has no chances it should have embraced a united state and got the support for its national stance. Instead it supported breakup of the state thinking that it will gain in that smaller area.


ramanaji:

The BJP has always supported smaller states, for better governance. They have qualified their preference for smaller states by saying that the existing (larger) state's assembly has to pass a resolution agreeing to a division before a state should be divided. This is the principle they followed when Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and Uttaranchal were created.

I have not been following the Telangana issue that closely but, under the above norms, the current Andhra Pradesh assembly has to pass a resolution agreeing to division before Telangana should be separated from Andhra. For that, the Telangana folks have to work things out with the rest of Andhra folks so that a majority of current Andhra assembly will pass the resolution.
Of course the Congress Govt. at the Center is free to ignore any norms the BJP followed, and do as it pleases.


BJP is not openly demanding the above in AP. They never qualify their support for Telangana with the above. They never support Greater Hyderabad State - that is also a smaller state isn't it?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 14 Oct 2011 19:00

Taking a 100k foot level view its almost Biblical. A second exodus is being demanded of the Telugus.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

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ramana wrote:Taking a 100k foot level view its almost Biblical. A second exodus is being demanded of the Telugus.


I have faith in India. It (exodus) is not going to happen.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 14 Oct 2011 23:04

X-Posting. This applies to Andhra Pradesh in micro-level


brihaspati wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:but b-ji, since the mercantile class also funds the rashtra - directly or indirectly, you cannot quite destroy them either


Only at the initial stage first phase. In the second they fund the regime and the rulers - more on the personal side, and not the rashtra. Its more like graduating from looting the country to looting outsiders and sharing it as a joint venture - on a non-national, personal, sub-network alliance basis.

It is this dependence of the regime in the second phase - that gives power over to the mercantiles, and a gradual weakening of the rashtra itself.

The engagement with AFG is problematic because India is not stating, and not simply because of some supposed chanakyan secrecy - its goalposts and parameters in AFG. If we look closely at the history of the problem, and the situation on the ground, there will be some obvious and serious obstacles in the current Indian rashtryia machinery coming to any concrete conclusions or agenda. There are mixed feelings about projecting power in the neighbourhood - with the message having been clearly delivered from outsiders through two [or perhaps three] significant assassinations. If this had anything to do with the future of the nation as a whole then it would have been a different issue.

But in India's case obviously, if individual assassinations appear to halt down the entire rashtryia machinery's limping towards some degree of power projection beyond borders as a step in the eventual expansion of the safety buffer around the nation - then it means that the political rulership deem their personal safety and the continuance of their small dynasty based coteries, of overwhelming importance in which the nation comes a distant second.

It is therefore pretty easy to direct India's foreign policy because the rashtra deems the nation as less important than particular families, which in turn means that external threats can get away with pressurizing a much smaller group than an entire nation.

The second is the perception in this small group that - any step that can be whipped up by the Islamists or mullahcracy anywhere in the world, as being against Islamic interests - can have a political backlash that may hit at the base of their personal power. It is not just about imagined fears of internal Muslim petulance, but also about providing ammunition to its imagined biggest enemy - the majority "culture", and hence losing out on external support from the colonial legacy which in turn is based on another "cultural" theological supremacy doctrine.

At the moment the steps being taken are too insignificant to have any concrete long term effects. The excuse that any more intensely significant step will trigger a backlash from Pakistani mobilized world or regional opposition, does not hold ground - since Pakistan reacts equally to all levels of supposed "provocation". The steps are so insignificant in terms of the reality on ground, are actually consistent with a rather reluctant move that looks more likely to have been undertaken with a view to satisfy external pressures.

GOI, and especially the congrez is forever hostage to the twin imagined fears of a Muslim backlash, and a dynastic assassination or overthrow - to take steps of the magnitude that would be necessary to eliminate the AFPAK threat. Hopefully not too many Indian and civilian lives are lost in this exercise of doing nothing by doing something.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 15 Oct 2011 05:37

vnadendla wrote:
ramana wrote:Taking a 100k foot level view its almost Biblical. A second exodus is being demanded of the Telugus.


I have faith in India. It (exodus) is not going to happen.


I dont have faith in politicos of today. We have example of Kashmiri Pandits. Do you think the India you have faith in did anything about it? There are certain sections of the societies on which anything can be done and we can get away with it. In Nazi Germany you can do anything on Jews (except have a relationship or frindship with them) and no one will raise their voice on you. Similarly if there is any division in future, anything can be done Non Telangana Telugu people in Telangana areas and no one will question it. No media will cover it. For example there was attacks on Parakala Prabhakar of Samikyandhra group few days back and it was no even reported in news papers. JP was beaten in the Assembly premises and nothing was done to the people planned it. Nothing will happen to the person did it.

Wait for the mass kicking out of people from costal and Rayalaseema immediately after any division of the state. It can either happen at once will lakhs leaving just like Hindus from Pakisthan or slowly over a period of time. But kicking out is going to happen. Extent, manner and timing is only uncertain.

You are forgetting that the people in charge of this agitation are Naxals and Telangana dora criminal gangs. You expect Indic conduct from them?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vnadendla » 15 Oct 2011 20:58

Narayana Rao wrote:
vnadendla wrote:
I have faith in India. It (exodus) is not going to happen.


I dont have faith in politicos of today. We have example of Kashmiri Pandits. Do you think the India you have faith in did anything about it? There are certain sections of the societies on which anything can be done and we can get away with it. In Nazi Germany you can do anything on Jews (except have a relationship or frindship with them) and no one will raise their voice on you. Similarly if there is any division in future, anything can be done Non Telangana Telugu people in Telangana areas and no one will question it. No media will cover it. For example there was attacks on Parakala Prabhakar of Samikyandhra group few days back and it was no even reported in news papers. JP was beaten in the Assembly premises and nothing was done to the people planned it. Nothing will happen to the person did it.

Wait for the mass kicking out of people from costal and Rayalaseema immediately after any division of the state. It can either happen at once will lakhs leaving just like Hindus from Pakisthan or slowly over a period of time. But kicking out is going to happen. Extent, manner and timing is only uncertain.

You are forgetting that the people in charge of this agitation are Naxals and Telangana dora criminal gangs. You expect Indic conduct from them?


1) Kashmiri pandit problem is for 3,00,000 people. This problem is 52,00,000 people. The scale is different. Each of those 52,00,000 people have 5,00,00,000 family members outside T (5 crore Andhras). They have some say.
2) It happened in Germany. See the result. It happened in British India. See the result. Will Cong let it happen in India? Can it control the result?
3) If what you say is expected to happen then there is no T. T can only form if there is no slow or fast mass exodus.

Yes individual incidents can be covered up. But not migration of 50 Lakh people. I hope. And I have blind faith.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Sarma » 16 Oct 2011 01:47

That the T-movement was essentially a TRS (and its poodle TJAC) movement was demonstrated clearly by the way in which the rail roko was rendered ineffective simply by arresting all important leaders and troublemongers of TRS and TJAC. TRS and TJAC uttered pragalbhalu (rhetoric) that 1 crore T-people will come on to the railway tracks. Well, effectively a few thousand party workers came on to the tracks. The police has been able to control them clearly by slapping non-bailable cases against them. Three-day rail roko has ended for all practical purposes.

I think from Monday, we are going to see a new AP government. The Jinnah-esque mollycoddling of TRS, TJAC will hopefully come to an end. And, just because a anti-social element like Kodandaram wants a bandh, everybody need not shiver in their undies and confine themselves to their homes. Hopefully.

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Postby Yagnasri » 16 Oct 2011 04:25

Monday Bandh is now called by TRS. I had visited Hyderabad during one of the earlier Bandh calls. City was normal. But it appears that the TRS people are in a position to " enforce" bandh in other districts. As I have posted earlier calling bandh is a easy thing and with huge media coverage to any call bundhs can be enforced with minimum " workers".

One important development taken place is TRS gangs had to call of their RTC agitation which was going on for many days. The recognized union had already called for the same few days back and it appears that many city buses were running even before this withdrawal of agitation by TRS and in many districts the some buses started to run in the last few days. It would be difficult for the RTC employees who mainly belong to middle class and lower middle class to continue any agitation for long period. One success for the AP government.

In respect of the Rail Roko agitation, wide publicity and fear will force people not to travel in trains for the next two days. Media, particularly Tv coverage is ensuring that even a minor incidence gets major publicity. No Tv news channel is willing to air news which is against the TRS and their gangs for the time being as the AP Government it self keeping quite. May be controlling media is the next order of business for the state. Remember the 8 chapter of SKC report.

Even Congress MP's were not spared yesterday and cases were even booked against them. Jana Reddy who was in the forefront of the congress politicos appeared on Tv yesterday and called for withdrawal of the agitation. TRS gangs were naturally furious. As per the Tv reports CM has informed the police that he was capacity and has assurance from Delhi that all help will be provided to face " any eventuality" and directed to them to act forcefully to maintain law and order. It seems that some ' big class" and " consoling " was given to him during his last visit to Delhi. As per the reports he was given one month time to stop the affairs of AP which were adrift for some months. CWC meeting will be called during this month to discuss and take decision on Telangana.

Jagan Tv is supporting T agitation now indirectly. There is a significant increase in the T agitation coverage there. I wonder EJ gangs now supporting T agitation or just trying to destabilize AP government.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 17 Oct 2011 00:25

Things are now becoming clear about these agitations. Once they use the iron hand things will fall back in place is the summary. Spontaneous agitation is all a hogwash.

The T-agitation is clearly a funded agitation and it is hugely (I mean really huge) funded. For example, my house-maid servant's two sons returned with two bags of rice each. Initially she was extremely concerned taht why her sons are not returning or even picking up the calls on mobile. It seems they have to wait in a queue overnight at an undisclosed location.

First RTC is back on roads, latest rail roko is a failure after just putting few leaders behind bars with good security on train tracks. The private schools are warned of de-recognition if they do not open schools. Next in line will be not just non-payment of salaries to government employees, it is going to be arrests.

KCR and co are talking of three months of bonus plus double salaries as soon as state is formed. It is a fact that a lot of money was spent to sustain the agitation. Who is funding?

The sequence per various news:
(1) Governor has reported that government is not doing strongly
(2) CM said to center point blank he can easily do the needed stuff as long long as the central party does not interfere
(3) The center gave the go-ahead and he had put the plan to action

Per grapevine, the government has decided to declare a NO to T state but just not declaring as Sonia mata has asked not to declare yet. KKR is asking to announce a United AP state ASAP and he assured that he can easily supress so called uprising etc. Supressing the movement is not that difficult except that they will lose the elections. The administration and the responsible ones are looking for clarity.

Sonia maam still thinks to boil it until 2014 and go to election with a pledge towards Telangana after the polls. She seems to be on a let us cheat-SA folks mission and rumor is that she is one who is even funding the T-agitation. TWIW

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 17 Oct 2011 00:39

Sarma wrote:That the T-movement was essentially a TRS (and its poodle TJAC) movement.


This is simply a lie. Sorry to say that. It is a movement created by congress party and fueled and funded by it. Period. All other stuff is just trying to subvert the fact. I hate to say but many of the posters are unnecessarily showing too much of hatered to TRS etc. while being silent or the real movers and shakers.

Seperate T feeling are always there and will always be there and it is the orchestration using movements, support and funds that brings it to forefront. If not KCR there will be some X to do the needful. Trying to blame the messengers (such as KCR) and fringes (BJP) for the situation is pure hypocracy at its height.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 17 Oct 2011 00:51

YSJ again criticized rajamata. So the 15k crore rumor is wrong?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 17 Oct 2011 00:51

Someone who went to college with KKR says the T agitators don't understand KKR is an Andhra brought up in Telangana and knows the ways.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 17 Oct 2011 01:02

if this T-movement fails, I have a feeling that the whole "agitation" for separate state will end once and for all. it will be difficult to get people railed up again on something that they know has already failed twice.

ultimately if T-people want to develop they have to come to the realization that:
1. they are part of an integrated state and that's not going to change.
2. need to gain allies and co-opt like minded interests (who have grievances against established elites) in districts which border with Telangana.

I suspect people will come to this realization relatively rapidly. a necessity for the future. especially if the Coasts have to be taken back from pervasive EJ influence.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Sarma » 17 Oct 2011 03:40

Muppalla garu, I don't disagree with you. I was simply referring to the current (since 2010) agitations, rail rokos, bandhs, etc. Congress may initially have fueled it in the 2000s, propped up KCR through an alliance in 2004. That is why I was referring to a Jinnah-esque molly coddling of KCR. I was referring to a similar pampering of Jinnah by the British. Here, the British role was initially played out by Congress. To that extent, I agree with you.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 17 Oct 2011 03:47

Muppalla wrote:...
Per grapevine, the government has decided to declare a NO to T state but just not declaring as Sonia mata has asked not to declare yet. KKR is asking to announce a United AP state ASAP and he assured that he can easily supress so called uprising etc. Supressing the movement is not that difficult except that they will lose the elections. The administration and the responsible ones are looking for clarity.

Sonia maam still thinks to boil it until 2014 and go to election with a pledge towards Telangana after the polls. She seems to be on a let us cheat-SA folks mission and rumor is that she is one who is even funding the T-agitation. TWIW


We went through it was central Congress op and still not to root-cause. Why is there need to cheat-SA folks and why to fund T-agitation?
Are those to meet internal (party's) or external interests?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 17 Oct 2011 04:25

Sarma wrote:Muppalla garu, I don't disagree with you. I was simply referring to the current (since 2010) agitations, rail rokos, bandhs, etc. Congress may initially have fueled it in the 2000s, propped up KCR through an alliance in 2004. That is why I was referring to a Jinnah-esque molly coddling of KCR. I was referring to a similar pampering of Jinnah by the British. Here, the British role was initially played out by Congress. To that extent, I agree with you.


Sarma garu, even current agitation is a congress hand. Let us not lose focus. They decided to close tap, things are stopping. This is biggest mistake we all do by thinking it is all in KCR's hand.

In case if T is not created now, you can alway find a KCR in Telangana. If you have power, money and sustainability, I gaurantee you that you can create another Telangana movement even in 2020 or 2030 with a notion that Andhras are this and that. Whether one likes it or not, it has been pumped into a substantial population of T and that is transferring from generation to another. There are several good and wrong reasons but in thinking practically it simply cannot be erased. In nice times this percentage may be 15 to 20 percent but can easiliy be raised to 50 to 60% using movements. This is what is called in gentle terms as "Telangana sentiment"

What we do is we forget this when we criticise or not-criticise the individuals that are part of T movement.

Just browse through the pages and take statistics - we used words like Paki-KCR, paki-this and that, T-goons, T-this and idiot-kodandaram and everyone. If we take a statistics very little about the central and main shakers and movers of congress party. We even criticised EJ-Jagan or EJ-YSR. We off cource abused BJP to lowest level. To me everyone is saint including KCR when compared to Chidu gangs & Sonia gangs.

This whole operation is not just started by Congress high command but it also sustained it. If we are intelligent what we should know is voting to KCR goons is better than voting to congress party. Voting to EJ-Jagan is also better than voting to congress party even if he becomes a pawn later. Whether T forms or not, if we have to have peace and prosperity in AP or future A, T these fundamental needs to propagated and digested.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 17 Oct 2011 04:44

Another good politcal analysis. I suggest everone to read it all.

As Telangana burns, there’s a reason for Congress cold indifference

The Congress is also reportedly working on a contingency plan. Under this, it may ask its MLAs and MPs from the region, who are strongly rooting for the agitation fearing a hostile public, to form a break-away party styled “Telangana Congress” to fight the next elections supporting the statehood demand. Post 2014 elections, they may merge the new party into the parent party or support it

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Kakkaji » 17 Oct 2011 04:46

I don't understand why there is so much emotion and fighting on BRF about Telangana now. :-?

After all, states have been divided in India before. Some state divisions that I remember were:

Punjab --> Punjab + Haryana + HP

Bombay --> Maharashtra + Gujarat

Assam --> 7 states in the Northeast

UP --> UP + Uttaranchal

MP --> MP + Chhattisgarh

Bihar --> Bihar + Jharkhand


If the fight is about the Capital then, except in the case of Chandigarh, new states ended shifting capitals or developing new ones (e,g. Gandhinagar).

Of course, forcing a large number of people to move when a state is divided should not be done. IIRC in none of the above cases was a wholesale movement of population either demanded or enforced.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 17 Oct 2011 04:57

ShyamSP wrote:We went through it was central Congress op and still not to root-cause. Why is there need to cheat-SA folks and why to fund T-agitation?
Are those to meet internal (party's) or external interests?


Now you should read the GVL's article that I posted and wonder if they are going to cheat T folks again.

The SA-INC folks like Lagadapati, Kavuri etc have to call the bluff and just resign enmasse from congress party. The central congress is playing games and it fooling everyone. One day it looks like they are fooling SA and another day it looks like they are fooling T. In reality the congress in AP has to get out of congress and let them create a three of four parties and run a coalition.

I am surprised that they sustained this play of one side versus otherside for over two years now.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vishnua » 17 Oct 2011 05:19

To Add to Muppalla's above post, which state is the most contributor to Congress party's cofferes?

Given the current no of seats congress holds in parliament, which state is the most crucial?

In 70's it was Chenna Reddy, who was "pacified" by granting him CM seat by IG.

Today it is KCR.

Tomorrow it will be another T-Reddy or someone.

You take any state in India, you can start the similar agitation or arise sentitments among the certian section of ppl against rest of the population in the state given you have the power and money.

I can name atleast 4 but will not do that.

Let me say this, you go to "hardcore" telenaga folks and ask them what did these current T leaders do to their districts or constituencies while they were in power . I mean some if not most of them have been there for decades.

You will find very interesting answer which is NOTHING. Then you ask do you think they will do once they get T. Will it any better than current situation? The answer you will get is NO. Then you ask what is the point of T . Then you will get the following answer. Well, at this point let us settle this and move on i..e have T and move on. There is perception among the T-elite (business class who are old landlords under Nizam i..e real Reddy's ) that they can loot more. But not all of them are not sure.

So if they (Center) really wants to "kill" the T-agitation then I can guarantee you it will be done within a month.

After the initial month, then within 6 months it will be back to business i..e no T at all.

This is where "relatively"new comes are missing spinster aka umrao jann aka John snow's posts/knowledge.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vishnua » 17 Oct 2011 05:27

Muppalla wrote:The SA-INC folks like Lagadapati, Kavuri etc have to call the bluff and just resign enmasse from congress party. ..


This is where TDP can make moves.

In reality the congress in AP has to get out of congress and let them create a three of four parties and run a coalition..


Chiru was one of them but I guess they looped him as well. Chiru , Jagan and TDP would have been ideal. All you need one more from T. TRS can change their name to something esle which would have been ideal. No Congress would have ideal for AP.


I am surprised that they sustained this play of one side versus otherside for over two years now.


Another NTR can also fix this issue.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 17 Oct 2011 05:41

vishnua garu, I think time is coming up and even the current CM is showing some change and there will be a lot of bars filled with politicos in the coming days and I don't think 2012 will be another "let us fool all Telugus year" for the Sonia gang.

I really see a extremely hard chance for T state formation in this term. I again say that above GVL's article is the best in several months. See the trechery that Sonia maam is trying. Create a seperate T-Congress party to fool the T folks. Probably TDP, Jagan and TRS have to call the bluff.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 17 Oct 2011 05:51

3 day rail roko now converted into 2 day one and a Bandh was called today. Reports suggest that employees are softening their stand and will join their jobs soon. Coal workers may be bit difficult considering the naxals in the movement there. But since most of them are from lower middle class their ability to sustain the agitation alone may be limited.

Coming back to T agitation it was created to take back power from TDP and later supported to prevent TDP from coming back and even destroy TDP as a political force. CBN made a major blender in agreeing to T in 2009 and got thrashed in non T areas. Congress conducted T polls on one day and later went to town that we will need passports issued by KCR to visit Hyderabad and all our people will be kicked out of Hyderabad. TDP which is in alliance with TRS failed to defend its support to TRS and lost miserably. Immediately after elections with some 10 seats out of some 50 seats TRS is a finished force. No one was there to support KCR when he went for that Hunger thing. Yet out of blue T state process was announced mainly to stop TDP from coming back and stop any Jagan related forces. The entire agitation was sustained with congress money either directly or allowing KCR from collecting blackmail money from Hyderabad. But now when they are forced to take decision i think the following issues are creating problem.

1. Fall of state and uPA governments immediately
2. Similar agitations all around India.
3. Loss of T to TRS and rest of AP to TDP or Jagan ( total loss of 33 seats from today total) and reduction of congress to Tamil Nadu condition in AP.
4. Fear of Naxals taking over T state.
5. Opposition from local business and industry people who also fear (4) and already suffering the KCR collections.
6. No support for T in Hyderabad and MIM not supporting.
7. Fear of attacks on Non locals in T and counter agitations in rest of AP.

So decision taken to control the agitation in immediate future. Once agitation is controlled then there will be time and options available with the congress. Further KCR is a lose cannon and i do not think once he senses he can come to power on his own he can nt be controlled even by Congress which I am sure have lot of stuff on him and can let lose CBI enforcement people at any time it wants. But before that making him weak politically is also needed. Jagan is almost in the fold and can be brought to fold any time.

So TRS and Jagan will join Congress in 2014 and AP will continue to be there as per the present treads unless there is something helps congress T will not be created.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby vishnua » 17 Oct 2011 05:52

I agree Muppalla garu.

But the question is if they find out that Cong will be routed in 2014, will they make another move on T before the elections?

So till Mid 2013 things will be normal.. S**t might hit the fan again in 2013 depending on how the number looks for LS.

Whatever peace that is being restored now will not last.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Airavat » 17 Oct 2011 06:23

Kakkaji wrote:Some state divisions that I remember were:

Punjab --> Punjab + Haryana + HP

Slight correction. The division, and fight for Chandigarh, was between Punjab and Haryana. Himachal was created way back in 1947 and had its capital at Simla.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 17 Oct 2011 06:44

The so called fear of Communists in some form or the other is there since 1947. All the politics of the region is to stall that and the Communists have gradually become more and more redder from CPI->CPIM->CPILML.

All sorts of caste politics was used to gain upper hand. Folks like KCR were propped up and the misery of the people increased in rural areas and college campuses. All of AP society is divided into caste groups thanks to INC and then TDP. No one gets along with others. High school was a paradise for we knew nothing about this till college and then beyond.

If it wasn't for all these moves the Commies would have come to power like in West Bengal . Was Commie rule in WB bad for rural Bengal? They say Commies brought lanf reforms and made the farmers own the land they till.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Aditya_V » 17 Oct 2011 07:42

RamaY wrote:YSJ again criticized rajamata. So the 15k crore rumor is wrong?



Did Chiru praise INC before 2009 elections ? No, similarly YSJ will criticize Naidu and Congress ensure enough seats in 2014 and then join Congress. The Congress will give 2 bad Goverments in AP and yet through tactics win in 2014.

Meanwhile all evidence against him will be diluted and cases against him will be closed in 2015.


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