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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 03 Nov 2011 07:17

He is a EJ person pretending himself as intelectual by attaking Indic civilisation. No following to him other than TV Channels and leftist Jhola gang discussions he has no place.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby chaanakya » 03 Nov 2011 10:01

Narayana Rao wrote:November 1st is not Telangana Day Guruji. It is the day State of AP is formed. In fact in the south two states AP and Karnataka formed on the same day. Some of the Hyderabad state districts like Bidar formed part of Karnataka.

In respect of the Gentlemen agreement the people who singed are all congress leaders and some of them are even became CMs of the state of AP later. No non congress leader was even involved in this so called agreement. I am not certain how you came into conclusion that this agreement which the ruling party leaders entered into themselves is going to benifit common people of any area. Further the development argument is no longer on the table even by the Telangana leaders themselves. Now the argument is sentiment, self rule etc.

No congress leader from Telangana including PVNR bothered to do anything to Telangana or for any area of AP for that matter. Congress people taken the entire state fo granted and it is only after TDP came into being there is some serious options there before the people. It is the NTR who by reforming the rural adminstrative set up, primary education reforms and expansion and so on brought fundamental change in entire AP. It is only after TDPs formation congress people start working to get peoples votes and had to show something to people in the state.


I know Narayana Garu. The report on TV said T People observed 1st Nov as T day. That is all I am saying. Probably, the state would have come into existence on the same day had there not been "Gentleman's Agreement".

There are many things which CONgress people have done and some of which might get undone in due course. T appears to be one such affair. Smouldering as I said.

I don't know which arguments are there on the table. "Self Rule" concept would be a weak one in case of T. Development might be strong one. States have been reorganised either on Linguistic basis or on Administrative grounds of smaller states being better. Telangana has to find its own rationale.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 04 Nov 2011 05:56

It is the normal identity politics and mobalisation based on the emotions taking place in the case of Telangana agitation also. The main reason for this agitation like most of the political activities is power and money and nothing else. As for as small states being beter goverened in India I am of the view only greater paower to Panchats and local boddies is the way for better administration. Further do we areally thing that Government has such are big role in development now a days. Tax and spend policies are the one of reason for the financial mess we see all around us. Instead of Small states we need to have small government and minimal role for the rulers of our nation in economic activity.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 05 Nov 2011 06:57

Those who can read Telugu, please read every line of it.

http://www.andhrabhoomi.net/weakpoint/weakpoint-076

Apologies for not being able to translate for non-Telugu folks.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby chaanakya » 05 Nov 2011 13:34

Watch HT special on Telangana. Seems some movies use regional dialect of telengana and lead cast use phrases like Jai Telangana and echoes sentiments of the area.
Is it inevitable? I would think so. How long would it take? Depends on PoliticaL Solutions. 2014 could be Watershed year.

Nice to see them speaking Hindi. Is it a conspiracy by Nawrthies or Bimaru people.

Anyway , threeway split might become a viable solution. Divide/Split in Hindu families are not so unfamiliar to us.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 05 Nov 2011 16:50

Muppalla wrote:Those who can read Telugu, please read every line of it.

http://www.andhrabhoomi.net/weakpoint/weakpoint-076

Apologies for not being able to translate for non-Telugu folks.


The entire article is summarized in the first two sentences which when translated reads like this – Younger brother is younger brother and game of cards is game of cards – Which means that you may have lot of affection towards your kid brother but when playing cards you will cheat him and loot money from him. So then nature of game of cards which is cheating will not change just because you are playing cards.

Our political leaders are cheating public for decades under one pretext or another. To believe that the slogan for Telangana is not a similar cheating game will be a stupid thing on our part. The politicos all regions and parties who call each other all kinds of name in public have serious names have business relationships with each other. They are all united as one when political class as one is attacked.

If any lesson can be learned from Telangana agitation it is that Identity politics are all aimed at gaining power to loot money from public. Every one is after the looting opportunity and nothing else.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 07 Nov 2011 02:17

More nakre

Ind Express gossip

Playing caste card

The election of D Srinivas as MLC in the Andhra Assembly for the vacancy created by the departure of K Rosaiah is seen as a significant political move. Srinivas, who belongs to the influential Kapu community, is reportedly being groomed to contain the ongoing Telangana agitation. He is likely to be appointed to a key position in government. The Congress high command reckons that having lost the powerful Reddy vote to Jagan Reddy and the Kamma vote to the TDP, its best bet is wooing the Kapus, if it has to stall the formation of Telangana.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 07 Nov 2011 10:18

Autonomous region council for Telangana

The Centre is likely to announce an autonomous region council for Telangana region in the next few days, stopping short of accepting the demand for separate Telangana State.

Indications have come to this effect from the high echelons of the Congress. Sources said that the council will not only have adequate powers but also sufficient Budget.

The work on the proposal has reached an advanced stage and senior Congress leader from Telangana region D Srinivas is quiet likely to be the first chairman of the regional council. Srinivas, former Pradesh Congress committee president, was recently elected to the Legislative Council and it was seen as beginning of the process of giving him some important responsibility to solve the Telangana tangle.

Expecting a howl of protests from the protagonists of Telangana State, sources said that regional council would not be the final step but the first step towards finding a permanent solution to the problem of Telangana.

Also to satisfy the people of the other two regions — Andhra and Rayalseema, the Centre is likely to constitute similar regional councils for them also. Forming the regional councils with autonomy and budget was one of the important recommendations made by the Justice Srikrishna Commission.

But having come this far, the pro-Telangana parties and organisations were unlikely to accept the regional council and will continue their fight for separate Telangana.

Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) President K Chandrashekhar Rao infact told his party colleagues that he was expecting a negative decision by the Central Government in next few days and asked them to be ready for intensifying the agitation.

At a meeting with his party’s legislators and other senior leaders, KCR said that there were indications of central and the State Governments itching for a confrontation with the pro Telangana forces. He referred to arrest of a TRS politburo member Ch Sudhakar under the public safety act and sending him to jail for his role in the recent agitations. The TRS leaders were of the view that many more leaders will be arrested under the PD Act or National Security Act to crush the agitation for separate State.

On Sunday, the TRS legislators laid a siege to the home of senior Telangana Minister K Jana Reddy in Hyderabad demanding the revocation of the PD act against Sudhakar. Jana Reddy assured the TRS leaders that he will discuss the issue with the higher officials and try to get the case lifted. But he also opined that the police might have booked the case to maintain law and order.

Booking of case against TRS leader under PD act has also evoked condemnation from many other quarters. Telangana Nagara president Nagam Janardhan Reddy warned of serious consequences if the Government tries to misuse police force to suppress the Telangana agitation.


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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Nov 2011 10:37

Narayana Rao wrote:He is a EJ person pretending himself as intelectual by attaking Indic civilisation. No following to him other than TV Channels and leftist Jhola gang discussions he has no place.


He is an establishment person, his book 'Why am I not a Hindu' was sponsored by the Rajiv Ghandi Foundation.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 07 Nov 2011 16:18

Guruji do you really think that the Raul Foundation is not a EJ front? The entire effort is to weaken and destroy the Indic basis on the nation. Cripto Ej's like Sonia and Jagan are all acting in the same direction. In AP Jagan and his gang will pay lacs per month to any well educated person converting and starting to give speaches. Rs 2000 is paid regularly for covnersion purpose.

my views on the reported Autonomus Counsel
http://rlindia.blogspot.com/2011/11/is- ... given.html

today morning it was reported on TV that CRPF and other reserve forces in Non Telangana areas are being mobalised and being deployed in Telangana and an announcement is going to come tomorrow. Very strangely BJP was accused on TV5 that they are not seriously agitating for Telangana. Interesting twist for BJP's role.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 07 Nov 2011 20:34

Narayana Rao wrote:He is a EJ person pretending himself as intelectual by attaking Indic civilisation. No following to him other than TV Channels and leftist Jhola gang discussions he has no place.


I posted that interview for multiple reasons. Now there seems to be a (engineered - in progress) split in Telangana society where the Dalit representatives are calling for "Samaikyandhra" until Samajika Telangana (Social Telangana) is possible.

Today's news papers report that even Manda Krishna Madiga also suggested that he would be fine with united AP until Samajika Telangana is possible.

It could be for two different regions
1. To weaken TRS's claims and keep the state united.
2. The EJ team is feeling that a Separate Telangana would strengthen BJP and weaken INC, that is not good.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 07 Nov 2011 20:47

whatever form of "saffron nationalism" that Telangana takes up in the future, eventually it has to have an expansionary vision. this is a must. to translate Bharatiya Darshan into concrete systemic change over a significant area, there has to be an outlook that is expansionary and thinks in terms of a large land area beyond some particular state boundaries. any possible indications that T is shifting from a predominantly "inward looking" to something like a "take back the seas" in the Bay of Bengal direction will be a momentous change. all the Joshua project goons will be watching for such trends. so, in the future, if EJ's start making peculiar sounds or if they start "advocating" certain policy directions, we should dig deeper and see what their motives are, because it will most certainly be focused on preventing an "expansive" worldview....

the first step will be T-migration into Coastal areas. it will happen in the next few years...and EJ's will start panicking at the first sign. it won't be pretty. fifth columns like Jagan will go into hyperdrive. the "battle of ideologies" will officially start at that point. that is when the long war will begin, to decide which "ideology" and "future direction" will take control of the East Coast....

I think Brihaspati ji's prediction is also something along this line. things are changing in AP, beneath the surface.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 07 Nov 2011 21:00

the fact that Manda Krishna Madiga is calling for "sparing schools from strike" is very interesting. in AP, especially Telangana, the typical nawabi culture has always insisted on "unity" in strikes. they never cared for school or bus or auto, when strike was called, do it or get beaten up. Manda Krishna could very well be responding to the demands of his base: that their children be able to go to schools freely. this is significant. it is the first time I am hearing of anything like this in the long history of Telangana bandhs and strikes.

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Postby RamaY » 07 Nov 2011 21:55

^ That is the exact point KA also made.

The T-feudal children are getting their international-schools operated even in the midst of SJS. Someone asked that question to KTR and he didn't answer that question.

If you read MBS articles in GreatAndhra website, you will see how the T-feudal class discouraged education to lower sections of the society.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 07 Nov 2011 22:23

Guruji, Can you post some links on mass education or restrictions on it in Telangana area. I tried but could not find. In respect of EJ expansion it is quite real. Spoken with one Pujari resently and he said you need to pay 30,000 to 1,00,000 per half hour on TV for any programme which is not going to get advertisments to the Channel. One day I shifted 9 channels in the morning and all of them are giving one or another EJ programme. If some on can pay such money on mere TV programmes you can imagine the kind of efforts being put forward to capture AP. For Indic forces BJP almost sleeping for decades and never will be a strong force as long as it does not directly and openly comes out start acting in support of Hindu religion. Apart from Thirupathi attemps no BJP leader is acting openly to support Hindus in AP. If BJP leaders show 10% of the interest they are now showing on division of the state they will generate lot of force. There is already serious undercurrent of opposition to EJ activities in AP. but the same suffers from lack of leaderhip. BJP leaders are required to take up Hindu cause openly and then only they will suceed in AP. Open pro Hindu stance gave Mangalore belt to BJP and the same will give AP to them. All 42 seats. For that they have to shead all pretensions of being secular and start being pro Hindu.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 08 Nov 2011 00:58

Pioneer Op-Ed laments;

From bad to worse Monday, 07 November 2011

Telangana fiasco extracts a heavy toll

In response to the colossal losses suffered by the public exchequer as a result of the 42-day long Telangana agitation, the ‘austerity measures’ put in place by Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Kiran Reddy may, at first glance, seem to be a prudent decision. Yet, the fact of the matter is that the State Government’s fiscal discipline drive is in fact little more than another glaring example of its utter failure to deal with a crisis that continues to grow worse with every passing day. Clearly befuddled by the raging controversy, Mr Reddy might be under the impression that prohibiting his Ministers from travelling business class and putting a freeze on fresh appointments and purchases will stem the losses, but he is sadly mistaken. The only way to stop the bleeding and put the State back on its growth trajectory is to resolve the crisis by creating a separate Telangana State without any further delay. For this, both the State Government and the Union Government have to act in unison. More importantly, the Congress has to take a political decision. In the months since the crisis has been brewing, the Congress has shown little inclination to resolve the emotive issue. Mr Reddy has been an absentee Chief Minister at best; his Government’s failure to lead from the front or chalk out a comprehensive plan of action or even forge a socio-political consensus on the contentious issue has only served to aggravate the matter. But more than Mr Reddy's regime it is the Union Government that has displayed utter callousness in resolving the issue. If in Hyderabad Mr Reddy has pleaded helplessness, in New Delhi his party bosses and political masters have turned a deaf ear and a blind eye. On the one hand, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s Government has in its own characteristic style refused to accept responsibility, choosing instead to pass the ball back into the court of a listless State Government. On the other, the Congress has washed its hands of the matter, with Mr Ghulam Nabi Azad, the party’s designated in-charge of the Telangana issue, merely buying time and failing to chalk out a concrete roadmap. In the meantime, Commissions have been set up and reports have been tabled while delegations have gone back and forth between New Delhi and Hyderabad. But none of the recommendations or suggestions proffered has been considered, least of all implemented, by an indecisive Union Government that is terrified to commit itself in any manner. :?:

As long as popular anger continues to fester, there will be large-scale disruption and disorder. This will continue to take a heavy toll on the State’s already depleted finances and bruised economy. Industry associations have estimated that during the first 25 days of the strike the Andhra Pradesh economy lost a whopping Rs 10,000 crore. There is good reason to believe that the agitation will possibly bring down the State’s Gross Domestic Product by at least one per cent while industrial production will suffer by three per cent. No amount of the cosmetic fiscal pruning can contain the damage that has already been inflicted. Unless the Union Government takes immediate action, the situation in Andhra Pradesh will continue to worsen to the State’s and the nation’s detriment.



So very clearly the UPA govt doesn't want to take decision. Hence this passing the buck to State which really is controlled by INC a major coalition member in UPA. So its the INC that doesnt want to take a decision.
Why this wilfull destruction of a productive state and society?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 08 Nov 2011 01:53

Narayana Rao wrote:Can you post some links on mass education or restrictions on it in Telangana area. I tried but could not find.

Can you read Telugu?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 08 Nov 2011 05:11

ramana garu,

if we strip away all the trappings of modern RoI politics, the basic issues is this: the "ruler" can no longer manage the "financial" interests of the region. it has eerie similarity with past centuries of "kingdoms" becoming inept and leadership becoming "weak".

the mess in AP has escalated to the level where some people will start questioning if the Emperor really has any cloths at all!!!

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 08 Nov 2011 06:49

I can read Telugu quite well sir. I am born in AP and upto 10th my education was in Telugu only. After living many years in north and Maharastra now I live in Bangalore.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 08 Nov 2011 09:46

devesh So true. Its total disconnect like before french revolution.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby svinayak » 08 Nov 2011 10:14

devesh wrote:whatever form of "saffron nationalism" that Telangana takes up in the future, eventually it has to have an expansionary vision. this is a must. to translate Bharatiya Darshan into concrete systemic change over a significant area, there has to be an outlook that is expansionary and thinks in terms of a large land area beyond some particular state boundaries. any possible indications that T is shifting from a predominantly "inward looking" to something like a "take back the seas" in the Bay of Bengal direction will be a momentous change. all the Joshua project goons will be watching for such trends. so, in the future, if EJ's start making peculiar sounds or if they start "advocating" certain policy directions, we should dig deeper and see what their motives are, because it will most certainly be focused on preventing an "expansive" worldview....

the first step will be T-migration into Coastal areas. it will happen in the next few years...and EJ's will start panicking at the first sign. it won't be pretty. fifth columns like Jagan will go into hyperdrive. the "battle of ideologies" will officially start at that point. that is when the long war will begin, to decide which "ideology" and "future direction" will take control of the East Coast....

I think Brihaspati ji's prediction is also something along this line. things are changing in AP, beneath the surface.

This is the time for BJP to expand in AP

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 08 Nov 2011 19:57

Yes. But how is the question. BJP failed to find right idea in AP till now.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 08 Nov 2011 20:10

Narayana Rao wrote:I can read Telugu quite well sir. I am born in AP and upto 10th my education was in Telugu only. After living many years in north and Maharastra now I live in Bangalore.


Please read his articles on Telangana http://telugu.greatandhra.com/mbs/political/index4.php

And follow the books he refers. You get one side of the picture. The other side we can get from various Telangana writers.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 08 Nov 2011 20:25

Narayana Rao wrote:Yes. But how is the question. BJP failed to find right idea in AP till now.



the social contract in AP politics was established right after the Nizam was ousted. TDP was the only game changer. but even here, it was more like a shift in loyalties from one side to another. neither TDP nor INC has ever supported any "systemic change" in AP socio-economic scene. the broad outlines or a dominant land-owning class holding vast power has remained from time immemorial. the British in Coastal areas, and Islamics in T all supported that system of land-owning elites. it hasn't changed yet.

BJP's or any other saffron rise in AP will only happen once this system fails. things are heading in that direction in AP. the dominant political order is loosing its "hold". in the present order there are a few clans which have adapted to changing circumstances and are fueled by an entrepreneur mentality. I know some of these clans and they also have deep involvement in "Hindu" causes. at the same time, there has been a parallel rise of previously-working class/middle-class section which is becoming entrepreneurial. this too will have consequences. it is this new class combined with "new faces" of old order that will set the agenda in the coming decades. they have a fundamentally different attitude from the traditional clans.

keeping all this in mind, YSR's agenda becomes more clear, IMO. he might have sensed the changing winds and most likely, all his programs, were aimed at eradicating any possibility of such happenings in the future. he carefully eliminated a huge portion of "second-rung" opposition which had different roots compared to established clans. his welfare programs, especially some like giving away his own land, were all aimed at creating a loyal section of the "new order" which would be his servants. whenever I think of YSR, I think of a "Deep-State". is it entirely implausible to think that perhaps there does exist a "deep state" in Deccan which sensed a future villain in YSR???

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Re: Telangana Monitor

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devesh wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:Yes. But how is the question. BJP failed to find right idea in AP till now.



the social contract in AP politics was established right after the Nizam was ousted. TDP was the only game changer. but even here, it was more like a shift in loyalties from one side to another. neither TDP nor INC has ever supported any "systemic change" in AP socio-economic scene. the broad outlines or a dominant land-owning class holding vast power has remained from time immemorial. the British in Coastal areas, and Islamics in T all supported that system of land-owning elites. it hasn't changed yet.

BJP's or any other saffron rise in AP will only happen once this system fails. things are heading in that direction in AP. the dominant political order is loosing its "hold". in the present order there are a few clans which have adapted to changing circumstances and are fueled by an entrepreneur mentality. I know some of these clans and they also have deep involvement in "Hindu" causes. at the same time, there has been a parallel rise of previously-working class/middle-class section which is becoming entrepreneurial. this too will have consequences. it is this new class combined with "new faces" of old order that will set the agenda in the coming decades. they have a fundamentally different attitude from the traditional clans.

keeping all this in mind, YSR's agenda becomes more clear, IMO. he might have sensed the changing winds and most likely, all his programs, were aimed at eradicating any possibility of such happenings in the future. he carefully eliminated a huge portion of "second-rung" opposition which had different roots compared to established clans. his welfare programs, especially some like giving away his own land, were all aimed at creating a loyal section of the "new order" which would be his servants. whenever I think of YSR, I think of a "Deep-State". is it entirely implausible to think that perhaps there does exist a "deep state" in Deccan which sensed a future villain in YSR???


I see numerous attempts to find some way for BJP into AP. Sorry guys. BJP is not welcome. Advani bypassed Andhra / Rayalaseema. This has become a no go zone for them. They are small fry in Telangana what ever the agitation outcome.

When the strong punch, it hurts. When the weak throw a sucker punch it infuriates. Some nerve they have. Telugus need to campaign against BJP where ever they are all over India.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 09 Nov 2011 03:10

vnadendla wrote:I see numerous attempts to find some way for BJP into AP. Sorry guys. BJP is not welcome. Advani bypassed Andhra / Rayalaseema. This has become a no go zone for them. They are small fry in Telangana what ever the agitation outcome.

When the strong punch, it hurts. When the weak throw a sucker punch it infuriates. Some nerve they have. Telugus need to campaign against BJP where ever they are all over India.


This will again become some whine fest here on this thread. When it comes to BJP and T, people unnecessarily gets riled up with a lot hypocracy and double standards. Let us take your logic here regarding asking all Telugus to campagin allover India against BJP and tell me why Telugus should not do the same to following worthies the same:
(1) TDP and CBN - for going in an alliance with TRS and also promising T state in 2009
(2) YSR and congress for the the same in 2004
(3) INC for announcing the same in 2009 December

Why people have to victimize BJP when all the mainstream parties of AP did exactly same?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby RamaY » 09 Nov 2011 03:11

^+1 Muppala ji

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 09 Nov 2011 03:15

vnadendla's logic is hard to understand. on one hand he argues that BJP is small fish and ignored. in the same sentence, he says Telugus need to campaign against BJP all over the country....the two statements are contradictory. if BJP is small fish, why the useless rage against it? if BJP deserves an all India campaign against it, how can it be small fish?

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ShyamSP » 09 Nov 2011 06:06

Looks like TRS mafia is going with Congress on the Autonomous Council. May be their thinking they can loot the revenues from their region so it is good short of a separate state.

Zonal or district Council would make more sense to have any effect.

TV9 - TRS likely support to Cong on Telangana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnTGI9_J7s4

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 09 Nov 2011 07:17

my views on BJP and its growth in AP:

http://rlindia.blogspot.com/2011/11/bjp ... adesh.html

Azad said yesterday that there will be annoucement on Telangana before 10th and it will be given by the Home Ministry. All indications are pointing towards Autonomous Counsel. It seems KCR already brought in line.

May be there is one more SRC (State Reorganisation Committee) will assurence to Telangana agitators that the matter is not yet colsed.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 09 Nov 2011 08:40

Good ideas and from the heart.

PS: Need to proof read as spell check will put in words not intended.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 09 Nov 2011 09:35

Thank you sir. Was in a hurry to go out.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 09 Nov 2011 09:41

Please fix and resubmit for you have good points.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 09 Nov 2011 09:54

ShyamSP wrote:Looks like TRS mafia is going with Congress on the Autonomous Council. May be their thinking they can loot the revenues from their region so it is good short of a separate state.

Zonal or district Council would make more sense to have any effect.

TV9 - TRS likely support to Cong on Telangana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnTGI9_J7s4


Nalamotu Chakravarthy has same thoughts regarding district council stuff. Here is what he wrote in his blog (got via email)

Regional Councils - A Very Bad Idea

Andhra Pradesh came into existence according to the deep desires of Telugu people to live together in one State. The movement for a Telugu State is as old as Indian National Congress’ independence movement. Telugu people have thousands of years of legacy living together under Satavahana, Kakatiya, Vijayanagara, Qutub Shahi and Nizam Shahi rules. With the advent of the British merchants, our unity fell apart. Our people and land have been traded off as commodities. As a result, Telugus acquired new regional identities called Circar, Ceded, and Nizam regions.

In early 1900s there has been an awakening among Telugus. Telugus were scattered across today’s Tamilnadu, Orissa, Karnataka, and Maharashtra regions. They’ve realized that their history, culture, and language have been neglected for generations. After a movement that lasted for nearly fifty years our state came into existence. It required great many sacrifices by our leaders such as Potti Sriramulu, Konda Venktapayya, Burgula Ramakrishna Rao, Raavi Narayan Reddy and scores of other great men and women.

When the dream of a united Telugu State was about to be realized, leaders like K.V. Ranga Reddy and M. Chenna Reddy threw a wrench into the plans. To appease the parochial interests of these politicians, an agreement has been reached called the Gentlemen’s Agreement. Unfortunately, this agreement and the agreements that followed it have perpetuated the regional feelings among the Telugu people.

Today, the rumoured solution being prepared by the Congress Party involves creation of regional councils for each of the three regions. Unfortunately, just like the previous agreements, this proposal will ensure that the wound of regionalism will continue to fester.

Commonsense dictates that efforts should be made to fuse the different Telugu regions that have been under different rules. Otherwise, what is the point of creating a united Telugu state? Instead, our brilliant leaders continue to come up with solution after solution that perpetuates regionalism. Gentlemen’s Agreement crafted along regional lines, resulted in the creation of a regional council that was to last for 5 years, which was extended to 10 years and then to 15 years. Similarly, the agreement offered job protections along regional lines. In 1969, opportunistic politicians took advantage and built a separatist movement around violations to Gentlemen’s Agreement, when hardly any violations actually took place.

Let us fast forward to the 6-point formula devised by Smt. Indira Gandhi to quell the Jai Andhra movement. Though Smt. Gandhi was instrumental in saving the Andhra Pradesh state from division, her solution yet again was myopic. She divided the state into 6 zones and these zones were grouped along regional lines. Thanks to Mrs. Gandhi and the leaders that advised her, we had GO-610 controversy, the 14F controversy, teacher postings controversy and controversies around employees of one region/zone not being able to move despite special needs, and not to mention the current separatist agitation.

Now the same Congress backed Government yet again is noodling over a solution to create regional councils. Apparently these councils will have a good bit of autonomy including budgets. Unfortunately, what is lost on our leaders and people is the implicit acknowledgment of the regional divide. When you create regional councils, it goes against the very fundamental objective of creating a united Telugu State. We are perpetuating the regional differences among people to satisfy the needs of politicians. Creation of three regional councils is in fact worse than Indira Gandhi’s 6-point formula.

Central Government may duck behind the recommendation made by Justice Srikrishna Committee (SKC) to create regional council. SKC findings are excellent in the area of socio-economic analysis by regions. However, one must accept that Justice Srikrishna lacks basic understanding of our State’s culture and norms. His immaturity and insensitivity towards local issues is evident by the language used in his report by citing the names of castes and identifying businesses by regions. The secret chapter is the highlight of his unprofessionalism. If only Srikrishna was more focused on understanding the subject and not had religion about finishing the report in a year, he would have been judged favourably by history.

SKC’s recommendation of a Telangana Regional Council is hackneyed, illogical and shallow. If the UPA government creates regional councils, it will yet again show that our leaders learn nothing from history. This will go down as another historic blunder. Today Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema leaders have one voice. Now, this ingenious regional council arrangement will sow seeds of differences between these two regions too. It is just a matter of time before all three regional councils start accusing each other of favouritism by the State government.

Then, what is the solution? Our leaders should stop crafting solutions along regional lines. Regionalism is a ploy cooked up by opportunistic politicians. There is a widespread acceptance for devolution of powers in India. Any solution must be based at the district level or even mandal level. Here are a few suggestions that came up during the brainstorming sessions held by the leaders of Visalandhra Mahasabha:

• The current zonal system should be completely eliminated and replaced with a district based reservation system.
• Government employees should be able to work anywhere in the state, while the reservation is only meant for proportionate employment to the district. In other words, if a district has 5% of the State’s population, residents of the district are entitled to 5% of the government jobs but are free to choose their job location based on a forced ranking system.
• District level representation in state government offices such as the Secretariat and departmental directorates.
• A university for every district and funds to universities should be in proportion to the population (barring large established universities- whose funding should over the long run to be aligned with district universities; in other words, no special treatment for OU, AU, and others). Allow, at least one medical college for every district.
• Extensive administrative autonomy to districts via zilla parishads or newly formed district councils.
• Devolution of powers to be made statutory with 40% of the current State budget going to zilla parishads (or district councils).
• Restrict state government’s ability to re-allocate river waters to other irrigation projects and industries. Any re-allocation of river waters including surplus/flood waters should have 2/3rd of legislators consent in the State Assembly.
• Identify mandal as a unit of prosperity. A special financial package must be given to backward mandals. The package must be based on weighted average of per capita income and population. Mandal Presidents must be given a free hand to spend the money on development initiatives.
• Limit government’s ability to acquire private land. Before government can acquire private property, it should be put through a tough judicial test of whether public interest outweighs private property rights by a large margin.
Let us all hope that the Central Government will come up with a solution that is sensible and well thought-out which will bridge the regional divide.

Save Andhra Pradesh!

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Yagnasri » 09 Nov 2011 19:55

My prediction in the morning proved correct. Rashid Alvi poped State Reorganisation Committee and it seems to be BJP is all for it as for as UP is concerned and even for Telangana.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 668215.cms

SRC is to counter Mayavathi and also to have a totally new discourse in 2014. Congress seems to have decided to divert the peoples attenction to sub regional feelings in 2014 and continue for one more term. We have to see.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 09 Nov 2011 22:47

if projecting future scenarios, we have to take into consideration how different sections will react. let's remember that when PVNR first became CM in the early 70's, he tried to implement land reforms. land ceiling (limiting land ownership) was one his major initiatives. it won't be popular among many active participants of this thread, but which section of the state was most virulently opposed to any such initiatives? later on, this section of AP, having been scared by the newly confident Telanganites' demand for land reforms, propped up "student leaders" and merchant communities to fund and sponsor the "Jai Andhra" movement.

I have seen many arguments from integrationists saying that "why can't T politicians take care of their people like A-politicians do?" this is a very frequently asked question. and followed up with statements like "what have Chenna Reddy, PVNR, and others done for T? it is "your" politicians mistake. not ours." well, PVNR did try to do something concrete. he tried to implement land reforms and alter the fundamental pattern of a small proportion of landowning elite dominating the political scene and manipulating the people. Had T been a separate state, land reforms would have been implemented long before Coastal+RS areas.

this is the most fundamental failure of AP state in the past 60 years. the continuing hold of the feudal mentality on the political and economic machinery. this system needs to go down the drain. go up in flames. etc etc.

I think ramana garu recently spoke about this. he said perhaps the Commies would have been more successful at this. who knows?

the experience from the early 70's is very crucial. I am sure brick bats are heading my way, but in all likelihood, it will once again be the Andhra+RS landowning elites who will do *everything* possible to take down any future mass movements for land reforms.

I am excluding T-elite not because they are noble beings, but simply because the "land-owning" elite of T is much less numerous and they have been thoroughly kicked out from their ancestral locations in the rural areas. But still, there is still enough "dora" mentality for certain sections of T-elite like KCR to be in cahoots with elites from other parts.

on another note, if we look at Andhra form the 90-year cycle of Jupiter (divided into smaller 30 year cycles):

1947-1977: Complete INC dominance
1977-2007: gradual devolution of INC position; rise of TDP >> support from TDP in helping a non-INC alliance at Center; towards the end >> reestablishment of INC dominance
2007-2037: INC with no "strongman"; rise of EJ/Jagan; Telangana troubles; changing generations; we are just in the beginning of this cycle, and don't yet know all the "new" forces that are shaping/altering the scene.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Muppalla » 10 Nov 2011 03:31

devesh wrote:I have seen many arguments from integrationists saying that "why can't T politicians take care of their people like A-politicians do?" this is a very frequently asked question. and followed up with statements like "what have Chenna Reddy, PVNR, and others done for T? it is "your" politicians mistake. not ours." well, PVNR did try to do something concrete. he tried to implement land reforms and alter the fundamental pattern of a small proportion of landowning elite dominating the political scene and manipulating the people. Had T been a separate state, land reforms would have been implemented long before Coastal+RS areas.



First of all interesting post.

However, regarding land reforms, they are done in the Coastal Andhra region as early as 50s. Government did take over a lot of land and distributed. The rule was that x acres per person (not family). I guess it was something like 15 to 20 acres per person in canal fed areas. The families who has a lot of land distributed/ re registered the land among siblings and sons etc. Benami names etc were also used to hide the land etc. I guess they did differentiate between canal fed land Vs rain fed land. The max limit varies based on kind of land. It is called as land ceiling act.

No one in Coastal AP really have hundreds of acres of agricultural land. It is in Telangana and probably Rayalaseema where the land reforms are not done.

It is also not correct to say that "small portion land owning elite" dominating the politics. They are not wealthy because they own land. They had used the money they earned on their lands and consistently manufactured the wealth using their investment skills. They used the changing Indian economy in increasing the wealth. This is exponential. Even in places like Rayalaseema, though the lands are not money earning ones, the elite communities there also were able to manufacture wealth using India's growth. Ambanis did not build Reliance empire just using money from agricultural lands. There are several mini-Ambanis from coastal AP.

Regarding T politicians not doing for their regions, yes they did not do like their counterparts. It is not just at policy level but some thing even small. I will give a small example about a bridge on river krishna between Puligadda (Krishna Dt) and Penumudi (Guntur Dt). It would never be possible but for political clout/push by the local politician. It is named after Mandali Venkata Krishna Rao . This bridge is a push by Mandali Buddha Prasad during YSR regime. The people will vote these in which ever party they belong and nothing to do with Jagan or EJ. There are several of such folks in Andhra political class even today.

IMHO, Telangana's structural problems are more inside and "less" due to outside. Unless someone honestly list them and accept with humility and then put a plan to address them, there will be no solutions. 2011 is not 1947 to have Article 371 and it is not the era to even have land reforms. India has entered a capitalist-country list and the architect (PVNR) is from Telangana (ironically). The new narrative has to about manufacturing wealth and T folks have to take the challenge irrespective of a seperate state or not.

(Note: not getting time these days to write discriptive posts but there are several developments that we all need to cover)

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby devesh » 10 Nov 2011 03:37

Muppalla ji,
nope, AP hasn't undergone any land reforms. definitely not in the sense that other states like WB have undergone. the so called "program" in the 50's was low key and mostly PR. it never had the overarching objectives that are needed to transition from feudal society to industrial.

and please do research PVNR's term in the early 70's. it was primarily the land owning elite of coastal districts, which was against his land reforms, that made sure that he couldn't finish his term. to hasten his exit, the "Jai Andhra" movement was created.

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby ramana » 10 Nov 2011 03:39

So take some time and write them out.
Thanks, ramana

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Re: Telangana Monitor

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 10 Nov 2011 03:41

devesh wrote:Muppalla ji,
nope, AP hasn't undergone any land reforms. definitely not in the sense that other states like WB have undergone.

The ideal example for land reforms in India is Kerala, not WB. The much cussed CPI was at the forefront of land reforms.


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