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Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 03:46
by ramana
Satya a few posts above you had an insight. Please develop it.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 05:31
by vnadendla
Please dig who provided liberal funding for the following:
Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetham
Sri Padmavati Mahila Visvavidyalayam
Sri Venkateswara Institute of Medical Sciences
Sri Venkateswara University
And for this:
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning

You will know why they are where they are.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 05:55
by Dasari
It is utter preposterous to suggest that new institutions are being created in Andhra at the expense of T. It is a typical separatist Moorkhatwam..

IIT, ISB, Central Univ, Nizam Medical Sciences, NIT - these are some of the country's best colleges and it takes years to start some of them. All of these were created in Hyderabad (except NIT in Warangal), because it is the capital of the state of Andhra Pradesh, a state known to focus on technical education. It will take years for Andhra to recreate this infrastructure for separation that is being forced on them.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 07:04
by Dasari
Stan_Savljevic wrote:
RamaY wrote: Name - Region - Duration in days
Neelam Sanjiva Reddy[4] - Rayalaseema - 1167
Damodaram Sanjivayya - Rayalaseema - 790
Neelam Sanjiva Reddy (second time) - Rayalaseema - 719
Kasu Brahmananda Reddy - Kosta - 2777
Pamulaparthi Venkata Narasimha Rao[5] - Telangana - 468
Jalagam Vengala Rao - Kosta/Telangana - 1547
Marri Chenna Reddy - Telangana - 950
Tanguturi Anjaiah [9] - Telangana - 501
Bhavanam Venkatarami Reddy - Kosta - 208
Kotla Vijaya Bhaskara Reddy - Rayalaseema - 111
Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao - Kosta - 585
Nadendla Bhaskara Rao - Kosta - 31
Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao (second time) - Kosta - 1903
Marri Chenna Reddy (second time) - Telangana - 379
Nedurumalli Janardhana Reddy - Kosta - 662
Kotla Vijaya Bhaskara Reddy (second time) - Rayalaseema - 794
Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao (third time) - Kosta - 263
Nara Chandrababu Naidu[10] - Rayalaseema - 3378
Yeduguri Sandinti Rajasekhar Reddy - Rayalaseema - 1938
Konijeti Rosaiah - Kosta - 448
Kiran Kumar Reddy - Rayalaseema - 316


May be does it tell you that no T CM has been around for quite a while? And that too for no full five year term in a long time. And even if been around, has been primarily from Hyd and could have been perceived as just another person whose care did nt go beyond Greater Hyd. Strange are people's perceptions, no?! :P


All it tells us is the cynical joy you keep getting in the plight of AP and Telugu people. In reality, there is no coastal CM that served long either, except Kasu. When it comes to North Andhra, even a cabinet berth (except PVG Raju) in state govt was a rarity until NTR govt. All it shows is that it was totally random data. From the Raayalaseema record, having dominated the political scene of AP, it is clear that having CM from the region doesn't mean much. Also the only prime minister from AP was from Telangana, who didn't give a hoot about separate T. Pity, what a discrimination?

Indeed people's perceptions are very weird. Some people are struggling not to break the state, while others, not even related to the state, are trying to settle some old scores.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 08:30
by devesh
for a brief period of time, Golconda passed into Vijayanagara hands. they should have laid siege to and destroyed Hyderabad. don't throw brick bats at me. I am serious. it's too late now. but had it happened, it would have been a huge boon for Telgus, and also for Bharat. Hyd is like a fifth column which, by its Vaastu (geographic location) has created serious problems for modern India. the history of the city is also very problematic. at the end of the day, the Hindus have no legitimate claim to this city. it has no pre-Islamic history. the present day "glory" is a result of Hindu hard work (abandoning all political correctness here), but ultimately, the city is controlled by the Islamists. and to top it all off, this haven of Islamism in the Deccan has diverted resources away from its immediate neighboring region, but since it's the "heart" of this region, the region is told to shut up b/c they have the "heart"...

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 13:07
by Aditya_V
Satya_anveshi wrote:That's a pretty old list RamaY but do you want to identify locations of those univs and see for yourself.

Ramana...most convenient that is located in Kukkatpally which is in old city with majority muslims/telanganites :eek:. Would be a great inspirations to the rest of the folks from AP without even knowing such institutions exist.


Wait are you saying Kukkatpally is in Old City, its atleast 20km away. Kukkatpally is a locality where a lot of persons with Hi Tech city jobs have settled in.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 17:39
by Satya_anveshi
banglore,kerala? Sarcasm?

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 17:59
by Satya_anveshi
ramana wrote:Satya a few posts above you had an insight. Please develop it.

even as I try to develop on that perspective, I can tell you that if obvious solution is adopted (separating along T/A with Hyd as T capital unconditionally), will put an insourmatable roadblock in their plans. In spite of more powerful forces during Nizam, the region has a religious profile as is today. Even today if you go survey T, you will notice that the children of son of G are mostly non natives. So, the region has proved to be quite resilient.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 18:02
by vijayk
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/telan ... 02425.html
According to a report in the Indian Express, which quoted Harish Rao, nephew of TRS chief K Chandrasekhar Rao, the party was ready to discuss merger with the Congress if it agreed to create the Telangana state. He also said the TRS did not have a problem accepting Hyderabad as a joint capital till a new capital was developed for Andhra Pradesh.

However, the Congress is not likely to bite the bait, not immediately at least. Its first concern is to protect its political future in the state, one of its last strongholds in the country and find the best way out. Any hurried decision would certainly land it in big trouble in the general elections of 2014.

Meanwhile, the party is busy holding hectic consultations to quell the Telangana fire. On Friday evening, the party’s core committee members, including Pranab Mukherjee, P Chidambaram, AK Antony, Ghulam Nabi Azad and Ahmed Patel, AICC chief Sonia Gandhi’s political secretary, met in New Delhi to discuss the issue. However, the meeting failed to reach any conclusion. Last week, Azad had held discussions with Congress leaders from Telangana, Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra and submitted his report to Sonia Gandhi.

The challenge for the Congress at the moment is two-fold: first, end the ongoing strike and second, come up with some position which would be satisfactory to the members of the Telangana Joint Action Committee, which is spreaheading the movement. The second one is intended to buy more time. The UPA and the Congress need it desperately — the creation of Telangana is almost unstoppable now; both have to ensure it works to their advantage.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 18:05
by Satya_anveshi
vnadendla wrote:Please dig who provided liberal funding for the following:
Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetham
Sri Padmavati Mahila Visvavidyalayam
Sri Venkateswara Institute of Medical Sciences
Sri Venkateswara University
And for this:
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning

You will know why they are where they are.

so no state funds are used for any of these?

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 18:39
by vnadendla
Satya_anveshi wrote:
vnadendla wrote:Please dig who provided liberal funding for the following:
Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidyapeetham
Sri Padmavati Mahila Visvavidyalayam
Sri Venkateswara Institute of Medical Sciences
Sri Venkateswara University
And for this:
Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning

You will know why they are where they are.

so no state funds are used for any of these?


If they are not in Tirupathi and Puttaparthi there would be no non state funding which is substantial. I Don't know the break down. Now we are talking about non establishment of universities because they don't follow your == principle. Unless you build a hut in T don't build one in rest of AP too.

Tell me once decent commie country in the world. Everyone is a failure. Including China. China prospered only when commie (not communist party) philosophy is dead. And I am a ex commie. I learnt my lesson when I met Russians who told be the true state of USSR. All pretense.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 19:49
by Satya_anveshi
vnadendla wrote:Now we are talking about non establishment of universities because they don't follow your == principle. Unless you build a hut in T don't build one in rest of AP too.

Can you get any foolish than this? there is NO "hut" in T. Now, Ramana tells us that even NIT at waranga (although it was nationally funded)l was a result of more of a miscalculation/myopia from that basker sanjeeva reddy than a sincere and concious move on st admin's part. Here you folks are defending the indefensible. And considering your inability to distinguish between two set of arguments..here they are: a) build all you want in A, build also in T; b) if you aren't building in T, don't build in A also. My position and those that I heard coming out of T is of a). ALL agreements including the latest were explicit on providing fair opportunities for T areas.

Not even staunchest of T supporter has wished bad for A...they just want to secure T for themselves.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 20:23
by Stan_Savljevic
Dasari wrote:All it tells us is the cynical joy you keep getting in the plight of AP and Telugu people.
...
Indeed people's perceptions are very weird. Some people are struggling not to break the state, while others, not even related to the state, are trying to settle some old scores.

All it tells me is the following: when someone questions you when you cite some random person's page no 186-187 as proof of your understanding of the complicated ground reality, and when you dont expect to be handed out reverse pisko in the aftermath, either you expect that someone must be god which he aint, or you get too uncomfortable when questioned, or both :).

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 21:36
by vnadendla
Satya_anveshi wrote:
vnadendla wrote:Now we are talking about non establishment of universities because they don't follow your == principle. Unless you build a hut in T don't build one in rest of AP too.

Can you get any foolish than this? there is NO "hut" in T. Now, Ramana tells us that even NIT at waranga (although it was nationally funded)l was a result of more of a miscalculation/myopia from that basker sanjeeva reddy than a sincere and concious move on st admin's part. Here you folks are defending the indefensible. And considering your inability to distinguish between two set of arguments..here they are: a) build all you want in A, build also in T; b) if you aren't building in T, don't build in A also. My position and those that I heard coming out of T is of a). ALL agreements including the latest were explicit on providing fair opportunities for T areas.

You are not getting it. govt didn't build those (in my list). We got funding from outside and worked with govt to provide a piece too. Now why don't we find such involvement from T society.

I don't wish ill for T. I am AP son and T son in Law. Why do you think if someone disagrees with you they wish ill of you.

Not even staunchest of T supporter has wished bad for A...they just want to secure T for themselves.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 21:39
by Satya_anveshi
Regardless of my personal discounting of the factor, but from technical perspective, the mere fielding of separate A and R perspective in relation to T, when the primary dispute is between just T and A (which includes R), is complicating T's stand to its disadvantage, screwing up the metrics royally, and if I may say is unnecessary diversion during the problem understanding and therefore basing any solutions there upon. When your neighbour is calling foul on your behavior, saying that you treat your daughter more horribly isn't an appropriate defence. And even if such a defence is given, the adjudicator should take note of and restore sanity. So called "expert" reports failed to do this and unfortunately aided such stupidity.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 21:59
by Satya_anveshi
vnadendla wrote:You are not getting it. govt didn't build those (in my list). We got funding from outside and worked with govt to provide a piece too. Now why don't we find such involvement from T society.

I don't wish ill for T. I am AP son and T son in Law. Why do you think if someone disagrees with you they wish ill of you.

alludugaru (dear son-in-law) :eek: ,
how long are we going to talk about this? There were systemic issues for this. paradigm shift in admin process in T; power play - dominated by A; ministeries - dominated by A; T farmers - weakened by additional cost of farming (depriving irrigation project supplying water to fields which was a norm before merger; jobs and dev - disportionately concentrated in Hyd; how the hell do you expect to have 'private' participation.

Granted, if there is/was capital available in T, AND they did not make those investments - they are at fault. But that in comparision with state and by and large institutional neglect of the region? clutching at the straws?

I am done with posts on this topic with you.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 22:55
by chaanakya
There is already a precedence of non linguistic division of States on various grounds, primarily smaller states are better administered. One need to do reality check if this idea has indeed been proven. All such non linguistic divisions were followed mostly by non violent demands. Telangana would be an exception.

Therefore all talk of old culture, language and history would be irrelevant if Majority of T People want it.

I think new states would get better opportunity in terms of attracting new industries just like Uttarakhand.

And if T is there Hyd would be its capital, no second opinion about it, one might keep arguing against .

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 23:06
by Satya_anveshi
I would like to calrify that "capital" in my previous post is financial capital and did not refer to administrative capital city.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 08 Oct 2011 23:35
by vnadendla
Satya_anveshi wrote:
vnadendla wrote:You are not getting it. govt didn't build those (in my list). We got funding from outside and worked with govt to provide a piece too. Now why don't we find such involvement from T society.

I don't wish ill for T. I am AP son and T son in Law. Why do you think if someone disagrees with you they wish ill of you.

alludugaru (dear son-in-law) :eek: ,
how long are we going to talk about this? There were systemic issues for this. paradigm shift in admin process in T; power play - dominated by A; ministeries - dominated by A; T farmers - weakened by additional cost of farming (depriving irrigation project supplying water to fields which was a norm before merger; jobs and dev - disportionately concentrated in Hyd; how the hell do you expect to have 'private' participation.

Granted, if there is/was capital available in T, AND they did not make those investments - they are at fault. But that in comparision with state and by and large institutional neglect of the region? clutching at the straws?

I am done with posts on this topic with you.

It is NOT the business of govt to do the things you expect it to do. People should take care of themselves. Govt provides the atmosphere and the governance and some funding. Your leaders were idiots. Your rich people were greedy. Don't blame someone else for being wealthy. Those institutions were set up with the temple money (and a godman) and with lot of hardwork largely unpaid / underpaid by a lot of people (including my dad, my sanskrit teacher / neighbour and many more I know personally). I and my family studied, worked or otherwise involved with them. It is strange to find someone suddenly talk of them and complain why they don't have them. Its because you don't have people who can make them happen

Looks like telangana may happen. Best of luck. I hope GOI is prepared to deal with and stop any looting. After the blood money runs you you still have to do all the things that make a society function. Your lift irrigation schemes will need capital to be built and to run and your tax base will not support it not the ROI will provide case for it. When companies leave along with the workers the empty shells of buildings mean nothing. Adios

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 06:01
by ShyamSP
chaanakya wrote:There is already a precedence of non linguistic division of States on various grounds, primarily smaller states are better administered. One need to do reality check if this idea has indeed been proven. All such non linguistic divisions were followed mostly by non violent demands. Telangana would be an exception.

Therefore all talk of old culture, language and history would be irrelevant if Majority of T People want it.

I think new states would get better opportunity in terms of attracting new industries just like Uttarakhand.

And if T is there Hyd would be its capital, no second opinion about it, one might keep arguing against .


If there is no second opinion about Hyderabad, others might argue;

"If there is Rayalaseema, it would get 4 districts from Karnataka and 2 districts from Tamil Nadue, no second opinion about it"

http://www.gulte.com/news/1258/Greater- ... gans-Plot-
"...The organization for greater RayalaSeema is demanding the separate state including the 2 districts of Tamil Naidu and another 4 districts of Karnataka where Telugus live in significant numbers...."

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 09:59
by Stan_Savljevic
Yes, "significant number" but not majority :). Neither majority in 2011 nor in 1947 nor in 1956. Wonderful logic. If wishes were horses, all of India would be AP and Telugu-speaking indeed. Why not make a claim to Devon Street in Chicago by the same logic or even Greater San Fransisco? After all, much of the it-vity crowd is Telugu-speaking, no?

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 10:13
by chaanakya
ShyamSP wrote:If there is no second opinion about Hyderabad, others might argue;

"If there is Rayalaseema, it would get 4 districts from Karnataka and 2 districts from Tamil Nadue, no second opinion about it"

http://www.gulte.com/news/1258/Greater- ... gans-Plot-
"...The organization for greater RayalaSeema is demanding the separate state including the 2 districts of Tamil Naidu and another 4 districts of Karnataka where Telugus live in significant numbers...."

yeah , i.e. if these six districts are asking for GR and if demand is from majority. Not seen yet.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 17:51
by vnadendla
chaanakya wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:If there is no second opinion about Hyderabad, others might argue;

"If there is Rayalaseema, it would get 4 districts from Karnataka and 2 districts from Tamil Nadue, no second opinion about it"

http://www.gulte.com/news/1258/Greater- ... gans-Plot-
"...The organization for greater RayalaSeema is demanding the separate state including the 2 districts of Tamil Naidu and another 4 districts of Karnataka where Telugus live in significant numbers...."

yeah , i.e. if these six districts are asking for GR and if demand is from majority. Not seen yet.


Define majority. majority of AP wants unified state. majority of Hyd wants union territory if there is no unified AP. Why should those majorities be ignored?

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 18:01
by VenkataS
Chanaakya,
Extension of your logic also means that if a majority of people in present day greater Hyderabad want a separate state for themselves, a new Hyderabad state for example, they should get it, right.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 18:06
by chaanakya
Aren't they free to try? Best of Luck to them as well.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 18:15
by Yagnasri
Let us be real gurus, the main reason for any decision will be what is good for Sonia Manio Crime gang in 42 MP seats of present day AP and what kind of problems that may come of in rest of India.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 20:10
by chaanakya
There is an interesting discussion going on in NDTV.
TRS leader says that now it is not an agitation for Telangana but "we won't give you Hyd" agitation.

Seems almost everyone is giving in to the formation of T and only question remains is that of Hyd. Now Its only a matter of details.

Another Interesting point was that Muslims would have more % of votes and would have better say in T.

Ethno-liguistic culture is also same within permissible variations within AP so that can not be a ground for split.

Economic backwardness is found in many parts of the Country and that also is not the basis for separate state.

TRS leader says what is the guarantee for others not asking for separate states if T agitation is stopped. None forthcoming.

What could be the basis for forming a new state apart from linguistic basis?? No answer.

In conlc. status quo is not the option.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 20:59
by RamaY
Yes, statusquo is not an option. The virulent T-agitation must end. A framework to address the concerns of all regions must be arrived at. A frame work to reorganize the states must be defined for entire Bharat.

T-honor = A-honor = bharat's honor.

We need a way to revive Telugus. T-revival is part of it, not out of it.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 21:41
by bahdada
Bring the IA in now.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 09 Oct 2011 23:06
by Muppalla
chaanakya wrote:There is an interesting discussion going on in NDTV.
TRS leader says that now it is not an agitation for Telangana but "we won't give you Hyd" agitation.

Seems almost everyone is giving in to the formation of T and only question remains is that of Hyd. Now Its only a matter of details.

Another Interesting point was that Muslims would have more % of votes and would have better say in T.

Ethno-liguistic culture is also same within permissible variations within AP so that can not be a ground for split.

Economic backwardness is found in many parts of the Country and that also is not the basis for separate state.

TRS leader says what is the guarantee for others not asking for separate states if T agitation is stopped. None forthcoming.

What could be the basis for forming a new state apart from linguistic basis?? No answer.

In conlc. status quo is not the option.


Okay, it is time that center declares the process and deadline for the final Telangana formation rather than keeping it in "hopeful" situation.

Any alternative such as financial devolution packages to three regions with a regional councils and not giving Telangana at this time will be end of AP government and also future of congress party in AP.

Last ball and six has to be scored by center. Let us see :)

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 01:44
by Dasari
Stan_Savljevic wrote:
Dasari wrote:All it tells us is the cynical joy you keep getting in the plight of AP and Telugu people.
...
Indeed people's perceptions are very weird. Some people are struggling not to break the state, while others, not even related to the state, are trying to settle some old scores.

All it tells me is the following: when someone questions you when you cite some random person's page no 186-187 as proof of your understanding of the complicated ground reality, and when you dont expect to be handed out reverse pisko in the aftermath, either you expect that someone must be god which he aint, or you get too uncomfortable when questioned, or both :).


No, only the random pages you cite or the cut and paste technology you employ are the only qualified rational logic. You talk about ground reality with irrelevant posts and references as if that should freeze everybody else. You don't know Hyderabad demographics or have an iota of knowledge of AP demographics but very anxious to see the state split off. This is from a guy who looks to rub off Tamil chauvinism at every opportunity. Sorry to disappoint you that at the end of this movement, regardless of how it ends, the Telugu people of AP will come together as language has that power. So don't lose sleep on this.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 02:52
by ShyamSP
chaanakya wrote:TRS leader says that now it is not an agitation for Telangana but "we won't give you Hyd" agitation.


It is not about Telagana but political machinations by Congress and BJP. Having Telangana name gives legitimacy to those machinations.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 03:00
by ShyamSP
Muppalla wrote:
chaanakya wrote:There is an interesting discussion going on in NDTV.
TRS leader says that now it is not an agitation for Telangana but "we won't give you Hyd" agitation.

Seems almost everyone is giving in to the formation of T and only question remains is that of Hyd. Now Its only a matter of details.

Another Interesting point was that Muslims would have more % of votes and would have better say in T.

Ethno-liguistic culture is also same within permissible variations within AP so that can not be a ground for split.

Economic backwardness is found in many parts of the Country and that also is not the basis for separate state.

TRS leader says what is the guarantee for others not asking for separate states if T agitation is stopped. None forthcoming.

What could be the basis for forming a new state apart from linguistic basis?? No answer.

In conlc. status quo is not the option.


Okay, it is time that center declares the process and deadline for the final Telangana formation rather than keeping it in "hopeful" situation.

Any alternative such as financial devolution packages to three regions with a regional councils and not giving Telangana at this time will be end of AP government and also future of congress party in AP.

Last ball and six has to be scored by center. Let us see :)


They have many balls left as all they have been doing are no-balls so far.

On the other hand, if they go back against Dec 23rd statement, SKC, and yitadi statements by Government, Chidu, and Pranab, They better be ready for reactions. If Center is afraid of road and rail rokos towards Hyderabad, they better prepared to be afraid of Road and Rail road cut off between North and South India as Devineni warns in the video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKJjkj_9b0A

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 03:49
by Yagnasri
They are not going to make any stupid Chiddu statements this time. Lot of meetings were going on in Delhi and also in Hyderabad. It seems that the CM was told to control the agitation more effectively. It seems one month grace time is given to present CM and there may be replacement of CM if there is failure on his part. So much for Rah(Am)ul Baba's selection of AP CM. Kavuri (MP from Costal Dists) is to meet with Pranab last night at 9. Lagadapati is also active yesterday meeting him. The non Telangana leaders of both TDP and Congress will not keep quite is promise of concenses is not kept now. Hyderabad and Delhi has showed that they will not use police against agitators in Telangana and if there is agitations in non Telangana areas also the same method will be adopted. Stopping trains in Vijayawada will not just cut of South - north it will also cut south and east.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 04:20
by devesh
ShyamSP wrote:
chaanakya wrote:TRS leader says that now it is not an agitation for Telangana but "we won't give you Hyd" agitation.


It is not about Telagana but political machinations by Congress and BJP. Having Telangana name gives legitimacy to those machinations.



make up your mind. on one hand, you insist BJP is a zero in AP, and on the other hand you insist that BJP's "machinations" are causing T problem. it is the politico-criminal networks that are important. as of now, BJP has nil presence in these networks in AP. their recent activism is a generally positive trend. but their ability to influence these extra-legal networks in AP is non-existent at present. it could slowly change in the future.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 05:09
by Yagnasri
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 294416.cms

The above news item is quite interesting one coming at this stage and there seems to be a mega dragging of feet underway as per this news item in DC which is a traditional pro-congress paper about the T question being referred to SRC.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... -t-src-605

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 06:01
by ShyamSP
Narayana Rao wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/andhra-pradeshs-businesses-are-opposed-to-creation-of-telangana/articleshow/10294416.cms

The above news item is quite interesting one coming at this stage and there seems to be a mega dragging of feet underway as per this news item in DC which is a traditional pro-congress paper about the T question being referred to SRC.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... -t-src-605


Good. It will put an end to the T nuisance so people across AP go on their normal business. If SRC looks at across country and comes up with division criteria, it is well and good. A fair SRC will not have T as state as it is argued now.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 06:20
by ShyamSP
devesh wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:It is not about Telagana but political machinations by Congress and BJP. Having Telangana name gives legitimacy to those machinations.



make up your mind. on one hand, you insist BJP is a zero in AP, and on the other hand you insist that BJP's "machinations" are causing T problem. it is the politico-criminal networks that are important. as of now, BJP has nil presence in these networks in AP. their recent activism is a generally positive trend. but their ability to influence these extra-legal networks in AP is non-existent at present. it could slowly change in the future.


Please refer my posts on that subject in this thread.

BJP never had proper criteria other than it likes small states and ways to deal with opposition to division. As per record, BJP did flip flop and said there was no need for T when it was in the government. It is not so sacrosanct so to say its recent activism is "positive" (in what way?). BJP doesn't have any answer to SKC report but wants to divide unilaterally with other side can go dogs. To answer to the other side, they want to start "Jai Andhra". Isn't it a political machination just looking at its stated positions ignoring its hidden agenda?

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 08:11
by devesh
your post clearly stated that you believed the INC's and BJP's "machinations" were the supreme causality behind AP's problems. I was merely saying that regardless of BJP recent "activism" including all the flip flops and blunders, they have absolutely nil capability to influence any of the politico-criminal networks in AP to the level that is needed to mobilize huge political drama. INC has that capability. and it seems TRS has also acquired that capability. TDP can do it, but INC's chess game has cornered TD between a rock and a hard place.

BJP's "machinations" have no influence in AP. to say that it's all about "BJP's machinations" even if you say "BJP and INC" is a false statement.

anyways, my last post on this. just pointing out that BJP's "machinations" are being given a bit too much credit.

Re: Telangana Monitor

Posted: 10 Oct 2011 13:26
by sum
make up your mind. on one hand, you insist BJP is a zero in AP, and on the other hand you insist that BJP's "machinations" are causing T problem. it is the politico-criminal networks that are important. as of now, BJP has nil presence in these networks in AP. their recent activism is a generally positive trend. but their ability to influence these extra-legal networks in AP is non-existent at present. it could slowly change in the future.

Yesterday on NDTV, Sri Owaisi of MIM also used the same BJP thing to oppose T. He mentioned that just like NDTV did a story of unmarked graves in J&K, it will soon do a story on marked graves in the new state of T ( if it is approved) since the only beneficiary of T would be the BJP and there would be lots of graves ( assuming of IMs) beacuse of that.. :-?