India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discussion

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 08 Jun 2023 23:03

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NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Jun 2023 23:06

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 09 Jun 2023 00:25

I’m sorry but some of us have no need to pander to #sikhgenocide etc nor genuflect to some feeling of slight from injury to maryada.

When refugees from 1947 start the trek back to west Panjab, let me know.

Until then one can bark but don’t expect a wag from me.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 09 Jun 2023 02:10

This is very serious stuff, just impardonnable. Mouthing gratitude to first nations one minute and nurturing assassins the other. No wonder Trump called Turdeau a forked tongue.

GoI should issue a démarche to Canadian envoy and demand an apology from Canadian Govt, with a publicly stated commitment to not let extremist and separatist groups inimical to India's security operate on Canadian soil with impunity.

If that doesn't happen quickly, expel their ambassador and recall ours.

We must also rake up the sordid Kanishka bombing saga.

EenTh ka jawab patthar se - that's the only language these scum will understand.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 09 Jun 2023 06:04

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Jun 2023 07:44

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

With this this act Canada has crossed a Rubicon. Modi government already doesn't trust them. Now they have ensured that any future Congress government will not be friendly to them. With an increase in Indian wealth and the willingness of Canadian politicians to sell themselves.

Canada is in for very interesting times.

I say lets encourage Khalistan's be creation as an independent nation out of Canadian land with an attempted ethenic cleansing of whites.

That will be fun to watch.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 09 Jun 2023 08:04

Pratyush wrote:Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

With this this act Canada has crossed a Rubicon. Modi government already doesn't trust them. Now they have ensured that any future Congress government will not be friendly to them. With an increase in Indian wealth and the willingness of Canadian politicians to sell themselves.

Canada is in for very interesting times.

I say lets encourage Khalistan's be creation as an independent nation out of Canadian land with an attempted ethenic cleansing of whites.

That will be fun to watch.

Trudeau doesn't care about Canada's interests - he only cares about himself and his own interests.

This is the same Justin Trudeau who was trying to get the Canadian Army to offer special polar cold weather training to China's military.
That's how stupid the guy is. He's Canadian pappu.

When Canadian security agencies disclosed to the media that China had interfered in Canada's election by trying to help Trudeau win, then Trudeau commented to the media that he was unhappy that Canadian security agencies were leaking secret classified information. So he was absolutely not in favour of the disclosure. That's why Canadian parliament is getting involved, trying to push for their own probe.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Jun 2023 08:20

This Turd-eu, was not on the scene in the aftermath of Kanishka.

Canada has been a long term problem. India has to act in a way that they get devoured by the monsters they have nurtured.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 09 Jun 2023 11:15

Pratyush wrote:This Turd-eu, was not on the scene in the aftermath of Kanishka.

No, his father was PM back then -- Pierre Elliott Trudeau -- but the son was estranged from his father, and learned nothing from him.
I guess the same could be said of Rahul and Rajiv.

Canada has been a long term problem.

Canada has become this way due to its own age-old problem, a 2-nation problem. The 2 main founding peoples of the country are the English and the French (latter having been conquered by the former). With French separatism on the rise since the 1960s onward, Anglo-ruled Canada had to quickly adopt a mass-immigration policy to bring in foreigners to dilute the English-French divide. Sikhs likewise immigrated in large numbers from the 1980s onward, demanding refugee status. This in turn, has eventually led to a rise in naked Vote Bank politics, whereby Canadian politicians have less desire to do the hard work of building better schools, roads and hospitals in order to please voters, when they can instead just easily shout 'Khalistan Zindabad' as an easy path to votes.

Canadian politicians thus have every incentive to meddle in India's politics, and there is no incentive for them to rein in the separatists in their midst.
It's just like Colonialism -- when those bearing the burden of it are on the other side of the world from you, then why feel a need to put an end to it? Same problem with Brits, BBC, etc vis-a-vis India.

India has to act in a way that they get devoured by the monsters they have nurtured.

I don't know what the Chanakyan solution is -- maybe we have to find them new vote banks.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Jun 2023 11:11

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 11 Jun 2023 09:03

Look at Justin Trudeau's new Canada

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 17 Jun 2023 02:19

SIMI leader & Mulund blasts accused Bashir detained in Canada.

Canadian Government should be made clear this is a red line. If the terrorist is not repatriated to India then we will consider this is an act of active support of international terrorism by Canada.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Jun 2023 15:27

And Canada did not know about him, so what, he is a useful tool for West Europe and all countries that make NATO, the naivety on this forum is unbelievable. As of today we have very little leverage. Many Indians do not understand the world yet.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jun 2023 18:23

Aditya_V wrote:And Canada did not know about him, so what, he is a useful tool for West Europe and all countries that make NATO, the naivety on this forum is unbelievable. As of today we have very little leverage. Many Indians do not understand the world yet.

Aditya_V ji,

truer words have not been spoken.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jun 2023 18:29

sanman wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

With this this act Canada has crossed a Rubicon. Modi government already doesn't trust them. Now they have ensured that any future Congress government will not be friendly to them. With an increase in Indian wealth and the willingness of Canadian politicians to sell themselves.

Canada is in for very interesting times.

I say lets encourage Khalistan's be creation as an independent nation out of Canadian land with an attempted ethenic cleansing of whites.

That will be fun to watch.
Trudeau doesn't care about Canada's interests - he only cares about himself and his own interests.

This is the same Justin Trudeau who was trying to get the Canadian Army to offer special polar cold weather training to China's military.
That's how stupid the guy is. He's Canadian pappu.

When Canadian security agencies disclosed to the media that China had interfered in Canada's election by trying to help Trudeau win, then Trudeau commented to the media that he was unhappy that Canadian security agencies were leaking secret classified information. So he was absolutely not in favour of the disclosure. That's why Canadian parliament is getting involved, trying to push for their own probe.

The cheeni needed help to survive in extreme climates in ladakh. The little cheeni princelings are very special.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 17 Jun 2023 18:50

chetak wrote:The cheeni needed help to survive in extreme climates in ladakh. The little cheeni princelings are very special.

Trudeau is a little princeling himself, who only has the top job due to his daddy's name -- takes one to know one.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 17 Jun 2023 20:28

Aditya_V wrote:And Canada did not know about him, so what, he is a useful tool for West Europe and all countries that make NATO, the naivety on this forum is unbelievable. As of today we have very little leverage. Many Indians do not understand the world yet.

Indians should be able to see through the solicitude and concern for Moslems in India, expressed by various North American, British and European commentators. Articles beginning with " India's Moslems..." followed by catch words like violence, intolerance, pogroms, marginalisation, right wing Hindu majoritarian etc.

There is nothing honourable about this kind of reporting. It's a game, a posture, a tactic, to pressure, scrutinise, discredit India as a country. And in some cases, to attempt to transfer resentment or hostility towards the US/ UK/ Israel, onto India.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Jun 2023 12:29

Khalistan Tiger Force chief Hardeep Singh Nijjar shot dead inside a gurdwara in Canada

Hardeep Singh Nijjar, head of the Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara Sahib and chief of the Khalistan Tiger Force, was shot dead by two unidentified youths within the Gurdwara Sahib premises in Canada’s Surrey on Sunday evening.

Nijjar, 46, a native of Bhar Singh Pura village in Jalandhar, was known to be actively involved in operationalising, networking, training, and financing members of the Khalistan Tiger Force, according to the Union government. He was also accused in a case registered by the National Investigation Agency (NIA). He was also associated with Sikh for Justice and recently went to Australia for the referendum voting.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar was also facing charges in various cases registered and being investigated by the Punjab Police, leading to a red corner notice being issued against him.

According to a Punjab government order in 2020, a total of 11 kanal and 13.5 marlas of land belonging to Nijjar was seized in his native village, Bhar Singapura, in Phillaur subdivision of Jalandhar district. A villager mentioned that Hardeep’s family had migrated a long time ago, but his parents frequently visit the village and had last done so before the lockdown.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 19 Jun 2023 16:52

Vips wrote:SIMI leader & Mulund blasts accused Bashir detained in Canada.

Canadian Government should be made clear this is a red line. If the terrorist is not repatriated to India then we will consider this is an act of active support of international terrorism by Canada.

Now that Hardeep Singh has been sent to his 72, its a shot across Canada's bow

The Canadians need to go full-Paki & arrest Bashir to keep him safe. If they do that, the next level would be to take care of him in prison/safe-house

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 19 Jun 2023 16:54

Prem Kumar wrote:Now that Hardeep Singh has been sent to his 72, its a shot across Canada's bow

The Canadians need to go full-Paki & arrest Bashir to keep him safe. If they do that, the next level would be to take care of him in prison/safe-house

Pakis operate their own safe-houses in Canada, which they see as a Soft Target

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 19 Jun 2023 19:30

Prem Kumar wrote:
Vips wrote:SIMI leader & Mulund blasts accused Bashir detained in Canada.

Canadian Government should be made clear this is a red line. If the terrorist is not repatriated to India then we will consider this is an act of active support of international terrorism by Canada.
Now that Hardeep Singh has been sent to his 72, its a shot across Canada's bow

The Canadians need to go full-Paki & arrest Bashir to keep him safe. If they do that, the next level would be to take care of him in prison/safe-house

This is the 3rd assassination by the same method (2 guys on a bike). Before this, the Khalistan Commando force guy killed in Pak (under the noses
of the ISI) and the head of Al-Badr.
A week before the Al-Badr killing, the de-facto head of Hizbul Mujahadeen was shot dead as he left a mosque in Isloo.

Its my wet dream come true, especially if RAW had a role.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jun 2023 19:57

Deans wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:
Now that Hardeep Singh has been sent to his 72, its a shot across Canada's bow

The Canadians need to go full-Paki & arrest Bashir to keep him safe. If they do that, the next level would be to take care of him in prison/safe-house
This is the 3rd assassination by the same method (2 guys on a bike). Before this, the Khalistan Commando force guy killed in Pak (under the noses
of the ISI) and the head of Al-Badr.
A week before the Al-Badr killing, the de-facto head of Hizbul Mujahadeen was shot dead as he left a mosque in Isloo.

Its my wet dream come true, especially if RAW had a role.

Deans saar,

It sure looks like the raita wing spooks are back in the game and also using local assets

All three hits seem well planned and with clean getaways to boot

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 20 Jun 2023 12:11

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 23 Nov 2023 16:43

not strictly india related seemingly, but in this world of coincidences the final story always deals out hurts to all players, also many indian descendants in the nation of guyana and oil

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen ... 39a845cfa4

In a pivotal development, intentionally timed between concurrent crises in Ukraine and Israel to avoid the international spotlight, Venezuela’s National Assembly (noted for its non-transparent anti-democratic character) has given the green light for a national referendum in early December to determine the status of the Essequibo territory. The only problem – Essequibo is not a part of Venezuela, nor has it been since the days of the Spanish Empire.

This region, internationally acknowledged as part of the neighboring, oil-rich Guyana and constituting about two-thirds of that country’s expanse, holds substantial oil wealth.

Both countries perceive remarkable economic opportunities in Essequibo. For Guyana, possessing the world's largest crude reserves per capita, new discoveries could bring unparalleled wealth. Sensing this potential, Guyana has awarded drilling bids to major oil companies such as ExxonMobil, ChevronCVX +0.2% , BP, TotalEnergies, and local company SISPRO.

The recent saber-rattling over Essequibo's status is undeniably tied to the discovery of vast oil reserves in the region. Since 2015, oil companies, including ExxonMobilXOM -0.4%, have uncovered 46 oil fields in Guyana, with four found just this year and the latest discovery publicly announced in October of this year. Guyana may have oil deposits in excess of 11 billion barrels, which, if developed, will make its population richer than Kuwait or UAE.

https://en.mercopress.com/2023/11/08/gu ... -territory

Guyana has asked the UN's highest court to stop a Venezuelan referendum on the annexation of the Esequibo, half of its territory and its oil-rich offshore, a claim going back to colonial times.

Venezuela has for decades argued that the 160,000-square-kilometer Esequibo region under Guyana domain should fall within its borders -- a contention that reached the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague. The dispute has intensified since ExxonMobil discovered massive oil deposits in the Essequibo offshore in 2015.

The Commonwealth Secretary-General the Rt. Hon. Patricia Scotland, KC has expressed deep concern at the decision of the Venezuelan National Assembly to undertake a referendum on the status of the Essequibo region, part of the sovereign territory of the Government of the Cooperative Republic of Guyana.

Speaking on the escalation the Secretary-General said:

“The Commonwealth stands with the Government and people of Guyana and with our partners in CARICOM in expressing our concern over the questions in the planned referendum.

“And the Commonwealth continues to stand for the rule of law and, “reaffirms its firm and steadfast support for the maintenance and preservation of the sovereign and territorial integrity of Guyana, and the unobstructed exercise of its rights to develop the entirety of its territory for the benefit of its people”.

The five questions approved by the National Electoral Council to be included in the referendum undermine Guyana’s territorial integrity and sovereignty and their intent is contrary to international law. Question 5 proposes the creation of Venezuelan state of Guyana Essequibo and an accelerated plan for giving Venezuelan citizenship and identity cards to the Guyanese population. International law prohibits the seizure and annexation by one country of the territory of another. The language in these questions contributes to heightened tension and is a threat to peace and stability in a member state of our Commonwealth Family and indeed in the wider Caribbean region.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ind ... 26041.html

Talks between India and Guyana to cooperate in the oil and gas sector are progressing quickly, according to persons aware of the matter. As part of its energy diversification strategy, India has been reaching out to the South American nation to develop new suppliers of energy.

Talks on possible Indian involvement in the lucrative Starbroeck offshore oil block have also progressed. The oil block is operated by US oil major ExxonMobil. Guyana’s government has revealed plans to take back 20% of the oil block from ExxonMobil and explore bilateral partnerships to develop this part of the oil block.

“Next year, ExxonMobil will have to give up 20% of their holdings. So, all of those will be available for some form of bilateral engagement, where we can actually see joint production or exploration related activities,“ Jagdeo said.

https://guyanachronicle.com/2023/02/25/ ... l-exports/

Guyana’s intention is to develop the oil and gas sector in an orderly and sustainable manner, as the country by 2027, will be producing over a million barrels of oil per day.

“…maybe 1.2 million barrels per day, that’s a steep ramp up. That’s almost 20 per cent of India’s daily use,” Dr. Jagdeo related.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 18 Dec 2023 10:03

Like all Lefties, the Venezuelan Lefties have spent their own coffers dry, and are now hungrily looking for something else to suck blood out of (neighboring Guyana)
No different than Mamata, Mulayam, Nitish, etc all wanting to become PM, because they think grabbing hold of the Centre will save their necks from collapse.

If India helps Guyana ward off Venezuela, then will Guyanese be willing to partner with India?
We could sell them Tejas, Pinaka, etc in exchange for a share of oil revenues from Essequibo.
We could even provide satellite intelligence.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Dec 2023 10:18

India lacks the reach to help Guyana.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 18 Dec 2023 10:22

Pratyush wrote: ↑18 Dec 2023 10:18 India lacks the reach to help Guyana.

Reach, shmeach - we can export useful weapons to them.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Dec 2023 11:10

If Venezuela wants to take the land and Guyana lacks organic capacity to defend itself. Then by the time Indian weapons reach Guyana. It will be all over.

Having said that, we should make all efforts to export weapons all around the world.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 20 Dec 2023 22:32

Canada: Pro-Hamas protesters terrify children who had come to sit on Santa’s knee at a mall

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/12/cana ... -at-a-mall

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Dec 2023 22:39

Pratyush wrote: ↑18 Dec 2023 10:18 India lacks the reach to help Guyana.

This is where power projection really comes in..

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 21 Dec 2023 04:40

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 21 Dec 2023 15:42

India needs to quickly disabuse Trudeau of any notion that India is softening on its stance on Khalistani elements in Canada. India needs to indict several Canadian and US citizens.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Dec 2023 16:00

hgupta wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 15:42 India needs to quickly disabuse Trudeau of any notion that India is softening on its stance on Khalistani elements in Canada. India needs to indict several Canadian and US citizens.

hgupta ji,

turdeau is desperate to hit back at India, and also score some talking points in his own backyard....

His all round miserable performance, both at home in kaneda, and on the international arena, as part of the G7 circus and now an irrelevant private club, where kaneda actually has no business being a member.

This dynastic dumbass is still trying to score points against Modi and maybe try and save his rapidly sinking political fortunes. His messed up trade deal with India and the 40% drop in the numbers of Indian students seeking admissions in kanedian "colleges" are just the opening salvos. His domestic economic mess due to mismanagement is all his own doing. He and his woke commie pals deserve no better

he is now hoping to shine using borrowed amriki lights, a very temporary phenomenon at best

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Dec 2023 07:25

chetak wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 16:00 hgupta ji,

turdeau is desperate to hit back at India, and also score some talking points in his own backyard....

His all round miserable performance, both at home in kaneda, and on the international arena, as part of the G7 circus and now an irrelevant private club, where kaneda actually has no business being a member.

This dynastic dumbass is still trying to score points against Modi and maybe try and save his rapidly sinking political fortunes. His messed up trade deal with India and the 40% drop in the numbers of Indian students seeking admissions in kanedian "colleges" are just the opening salvos. His domestic economic mess due to mismanagement is all his own doing. He and his woke commie pals deserve no better

he is now hoping to shine using borrowed amriki lights, a very temporary phenomenon at best

India has suffered a loss of face. We can try to brush it off and gloss over it, as we always like to do. But the reality is that India's international image has suffered damage.

In order to respond to a problem, we first have to recognize that it's happened. Otherwise, neither an ostrich mentality nor a sour grapes mentality will improve our situation.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Dec 2023 07:37

Excuse me did I miss something hear, some allegations are thrown about we have said if you have anything, we will look into it. In fact the question is why are USA and Canada trying to keep the Khalistan issue or rather it seems artificial movement where livelyhood, residency permits are based on being a Khalistani, Pannuga and et all seem to be deep state assets, along with the David Headley's. Something which would have been a ludicrous charge a few years but is now standing exposed?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Dec 2023 07:57

Aditya_V wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 07:37 Excuse me did I miss something hear, some allegations are thrown about we have said if you have anything, we will look into it.

These guys have painted us as a rogue banana republic state. And all we have is muted tepid response (ie. "uhh, I'll get back to you later")
When it comes to biological "fight or flight" reflex, we certainly have the wrong wiring.

Indian banks should stop granting loans to students looking to study in Canada.

In fact the question is why are USA and Canada trying to keep the Khalistan issue or rather it seems artificial movement where livelyhood, residency permits are based on being a Khalistani, Pannuga and et all seem to be deep state assets, along with the David Headley's. Something which would have been a ludicrous charge a few years but is now standing exposed?

Our govt and media should indeed be saying these things more loudly. We should be going on the offensive, rather than staying subdued.
It does us very little good to grumble about it on an internet forum.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Dec 2023 08:21

Question is leverage, if US was dependant on say.miltary jet engines, computer chips , etc from India we could say all that, today we are atleast able to do this level.of push back. We need the correct politicos rather than foreign Chamachas BIF politicos to govern for atleast 10 more years before we get the leverage we need.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Dec 2023 08:30

Aditya_V wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 08:21 Question is leverage, if US was dependant on say.miltary jet engines, computer chips , etc from India we could say all that, today we are atleast able to do this level.of push back. We need the correct politicos rather than foreign Chamachas BIF politicos to govern for atleast 10 more years before we get the leverage we need.

US may have the best jet engines, but they're not the only country in the world with jet engines. Point is, we need to exercise our options and be scouring more widely around the world for these technologies, instead of leaving ourselves vulnerably dependent on that one country which wants to be so fickle toward us.

And we have leverage too. How big was our airliner order from Boeing? It was pretty big. You tell me who else is placing orders for that many aircraft.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerow ... 78de70631b

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 22 Dec 2023 09:55

sanman wrote: ↑22 Dec 2023 08:30
US may have the best jet engines, but they're not the only country in the world with jet engines...

Am curious on how many countries in the world produce their own turbofan jet engines. Without having US collaboration (JV) and components.

I read that japanese, swedish and even french turbofan engines have some US components/patented tech.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Dec 2023 10:47

To those who are shaking with rage or fear about India being at the short end of the stick WRT, the various allegations about murder plots etc. Take a deep breath and ask yourself, if India genuinely tried and did the things that are being alleged by Kanada and Unkill.
What are the real options to punish India?

I will say they have no real options.

Stop supply of jet engine, or microchips. Okay. But once that's done, rest assured that India will never again trust the USA.

Is that's a worthy end goal for the USA and the collective West. That too over an issue that has no real traction in the ground in India?

It's said that hope is not a strategy. True, but then again. Excessive harmonal driven pessimism is also not a strategy.

This is not even a storm in a tea cup.