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http://www.khaleejtimes.com/biz/inside. ... aebusiness

UAE key hub for Bric capital
( Bring all this back to Mumbai)
Capital inflows into the UAE from emerging markets, particularly the Bric countries — Brazil, China, India and Russia — surpass inflows from Middle East the North Africa region, Fortress Investments, a leading investment firm operating in the Middle East, said on Monday.The capital invested in the UAE from the Mena region is more in the form of individual property assetsThe UAE is becoming more important on a global scale, in addition to emerging as an unparalleled investment hotspot, said Hamed Mokhtar, Managing Director at Fortress Investments. India commands the lion’s share of Bric capital flowing into the UAE. The UAE is a net importer of capital mainly from emerging markets and regional markets, where capital inflow from developed markets is low, said Mokhtar. This significant revelation comes on the heels of index provider MSCI’s upgrading the UAE to “emerging market” status, thus putting the Emirates in the ambit of the Bric grouping.According to the Institute of International Finance, capital flows to emerging markets are predicted to be at $1.079 trillion, some $47 billion less than previously predicted and down from $1.188 trillion in 2013. Next year, however, they are seen rising to $1.164 trillion.The GCC received $1.6 billion in total foreign direct investment from India in 2012 — a figure that’s only expected to rise over time due to increasing trade relations and the complementary strength of their economies.“Financial robustness of the UAE financial markets, specifically the Abu Dhabi Securities Exchange and the Dubai Financial Market, not only spells financial gains but also stronger economic sentiment that boosts the image of the UAE as a global powerhouse that is much valued by groups like Bric,” said Mokhtar.He observed that finance is playing an important role in enhancing the global standing of the UAE. “In flashback, Dubai’s hosting of the annual meeting of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund in 2003 provided the first spark to catapulting the emirate on the global stage. Since then, Dubai and the UAE started to make rapid strides as far as finance generation is concerned
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They must've been in splits of laughter listening to JoKerry and his "peace-in-our-time" plans!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 44911.html

Israel-Gaza conflict: John Kerry’s phone calls ‘tapped by Israeli government’ while he mediated Middle East peace talks
Der Spiegel report says Israel used the information in later negotiations
Adam Withnall
Sunday 03 August 2014

Israeli intelligence agencies reportedly tapped John Kerry’s phone while the US Secretary of State was in the Middle East trying to negotiate an end to the Gaza conflict.

According to reports in Sunday’s Der Spiegel, Israeli spies listened in on Mr Kerry’s conversations with other high-profile negotiators during the peace talks last year.

Mr Kerry was said to have used both encrypted and standard telephones to discuss issues between Israel, the Palestinians and the Arab states – and some of those normal calls were reportedly picked up by the authorities in Jerusalem.

This information was then used by Israel over the course of the international negotiations, sources told Der Spiegel.

Mr Kerry remains heavily involved in the current efforts to end the violent conflict which, since the start of Israel’s offensive on 8 July, has claimed the lives of more than 1,650 Palestinians and 65 Israelis.
Read more:
At least 100 dead in 24 hours in Rafah
Netanyahu: No let up in raids until Hamas tunnels are destroyed
Young Americans judge Israel's actions in Gaza differently
Comment: What has Israel achieved in 26 bloody days?

He was influential in arranging the 72-hour ceasefire planned on Friday which ultimately broke down when three Israeli soldiers were killed in a suicide bomb attack.

Last year Mr Kerry led an intensive series of talks on the Middle East situation, which ultimately failed. The US State Department and Israeli government did not respond to Der Spiegel’s requests for comment.

Meanwhile, in Britain the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said that the conflict in Gaza had become “intolerable”.

Today a second strike on a UN-run school in less than a week killed 10 Palestinians and left dozens, including children, wounded.

Speaking after the Labour party leader Ed Miliband accused David Cameron of getting it “wrong” with Britain’s position on the Gaza conflict, Mr Hammond told The Sunday Telegraph: “The British public has a strong sense that the situation in Gaza is simply intolerable and must be addressed - and we agree with them.

“There must be a humanitarian ceasefire that is without conditions. We have to get the killing to stop.”
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@A-Gupta...quite agree with ur S: Their tolerance is of the form "we shall not molest you now -- until G-d/God/Allah tells us otherwise" rather than "you are as entitled to exist as we are, and nothing that G-d/God/Allah says makes it otherwise". Except that Jews have to the best of my knowledge never indulged in violence as Christians/Muslims have....

@nagesh_ks ... what u said abt where to draw the line in history!! is actually very similar to what a Israeli told me in a private conversation. salute ur understanding of the Palestinian issue.... its something like 400 years hence someone says Kashmir is a muslim land, we are the inhabitants as there are no more hindus left. the fact remains that kashmir will always be a hindu land... as they were the original inhabitants of that area.
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there is considerable curiousity in public to know what the avg ISIS rat looks like.

prada glasses
plastic knife
riding a donkey/pony
seen here in mosul iraq
looks like some borat caricature

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Devesh, thank you for your high quality posts.

Lately, I have noticed long time forum members demonstrate a sympathy and empathy for the Palestinians I fail to understand.

One possible explanation could be the lack of any sympathy towards India's own struggle with Jihad/Islamism/Muslim supremacists from the Jewish community in Europe and west Europe, while they invariably (and understandably) support Israel. Jewish reporters never fail to portray Israel in a favorable light and so do Jewish politicians/intellectuals. While at the same time many Jewish politicians/intellectuals/journalist do a Paki like
equal-equal when discussing Kashmir/Jihadi attacks against India/Pakistani propaganda. Also, we see Jewish intellectuals/activists joining the attack on Indian culture, Dharma and identity.

I guess, these Jews think that by focusing Muslim aggression/Jihad towards India, they are protecting Israel.

And it is tempting for Indians to play the same game and protest the 'civilian casualties' in Gaza, etc..

However, we shoot our self in the foot whenever we do that. How would it help India if we (Indians) help restrict the space Israel has to respond to Jihadi violence (or put differently, excuse Palestinian Jihadists)? We only strengthen the Islamist/Jihadist.


Some time ago, one poster even repeated the same antisemitic puke one can find on white supremacists and Muslims indulge in. It's sad that it has come to this in this forum.
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looking at his hairstyle, seems to be a american teenager who found his faith and deserted the west to join ISIS. there are reported to be many such expat munnas in ISIS.
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not really, there are few muslims near my house who have such a hair style .
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KLNMurthy wrote:Israel is emphatically interested in keeping Hamas alive but disempowered, as a kind of whipped dog if you will, because they are aware that in the hatred they are engendering, thee will be the seeds for a truly nihilistic enemy. But it is impossible to calibrate killing and debilitation of a people so that they just lose their spirit but don't turn into monsters. So, that state of affairs where sh*t really gets nukularly-real is going to arrive, inevitably. That is the denouement that should interest the rest of the world in dropping platitudes in favor of a serious conversation with both parties.
Agreed on the dangers of social engineering through war.

Although I don't think its that the Israelis want to keep Hamas alive.

They'd like to beat the Gazans into turning on Hamas, while beating Hamas until it gives up on its idea of achieving Hezbollah's level of deterrence against Israeli use of force. Hamas has copied Hezbollah's strategy of close-in fighting combined with reaching Tel Aviv and the Israeli population with rockets.

I think there's a good chance Hamas could actually be crushed - Egypt has turned the screws, and the Saudis now hate the Muslim Brotherhood, seeing them as too close to the Iranians, and too republican.

This isn't Syria or Lebanon where the Iranians have free access.

No I'm afraid ISIS is coming to Gaza.
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the ISIS have for the first time taken on the US backed Peshmerga and routed them out of two towns. unlike the iraqi army and associated militias, the peshmerga looked well equipped and cohesive - so far.

this is a significant development and will embolden them for further action.
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Apologies for the delayed response, KLNMurthy-ji. RL had taken my time.
KLNMurthy wrote: But we would be making a mistake in ignoring the emotions surrounding the attachment to an idea of an idyllic time before the Romans breaking the Temple or (don't remember the palestinian term for the dispossession) dispossession happened.
I am not sure how much nostalgia there was for the pre-Roman times. The Zionism that began in the late 19th century was a product of the nationalisms that were sweeping the continent. Further, it was the nationalisms that exacerbated the problem of the Jews. The secular nationalisms that came in the late 19th century had no place among them for the Jews. Consequently, the Jews across Europe were a group without a state. The Jews from all over Europe were fleeing wherever they could - America, South Africa, etc - you can see this if you see the records of the migrations of the Jews. To quote Raoul Hilberg in his masterpiece `The Destruction of the European Jews', the European Church said to the Jews, "You have no right to live among us as Jews". The secular antisemites that came after them said "You have no right to live among us". Hitler and his Nazis simply took it to the logical conclusion. They said, "You have no right to live." It was out of this desperation for a homeland of their own that the idea of Israel was born. In fact, if you see the type of ruling structures that the Jews adopted in their new to-be homeland, it was not the religious administration of the rabbis, but a far more secular administration that allowed a place for the minorities, but would still be a state with a predominantly Jewish character.

By the same token, take the number of Muslim population relocations - by force. Over the past century, I can think of more than a dozen. How many of them have the nostalgia to get back to their plots of land? Why aren't the others fighting similarly for their homelands? In fact, in Israel's own neighbourhood, you will see that the Palestinians have been expelled by force from at least 3 countries (to my knowledge).

The problem was never the plot of land - not after 1980, anyway. The problem is that the Jew has possession of Muslim land - dar-ul-Islam has been turned to dar-ul-harb. If instead of Israel, it was another Muslim power that had done the same thing to the Palestinians, it would never have been a problem - not more than is usual with displaced populations, whose sentiment wanes in time as is usual. No, the Jew taking possession of Muslim land will always be resisted, and they will try to turn the clock back by any means possible.
It takes deliberate effort and empathy to try and plug into that kind of sentiment, otherwise we are going to be stuck with saying that the problem is Islamic, as the Palestinians of today's generations have never seen their family plot of land. I mean, yes it is Islamic, but so what? That doesn't give us any further helpful insights that could lead to a solution, unless there is some kind of social engineering equivalent Final Solution of destroying Islam, a solution which at the same time ensures that human beings wouldn't end up becoming something worse than today's followers of Islam. There may be some satisfaction in "proving", yet again, that Islam--or at least some manifest aspects of it--are malignant, but begging pardon, any fool can readily see that. Again, so what?
Here, I will beg to differ with you, Murthy-ji. You are beginning from the point that a solution is possible. My point of departure is that there is no solution. Israel just has to contain its enemies as best as it can, without descending into absolute barbarity. The Arabs will never ever accept the presence of Israel. Pointlessly handing out concessions in the mistaken belief that a solution is possible will only strengthen Israel's enemies.
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There IS at least one solution: Trigger a war (which is what Israel did here with the "Hamas" being blamed for killing 3 Israelis) that is used to push the borders of Israel down to North Africa and east to the Persian Gulf and north to the Iran border. Plenty of room in the Sahara for refugee camps, after all.. Nothing to stop them, really.
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N - there was an op ed column in the Jerusalem Post entitled 'Why Gaza Must Go,' which called for the expulsion of the Arab population of Gaza.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists ... -go-368862

The problem is that reporting today means that you can't do that sort of thing without being the horror of it all being broadcast live on satellite TV and Twitter. And even Israel's best friends in Congress won't be able to make it OK.
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Singha wrote:the ISIS have for the first time taken on the US backed Peshmerga and routed them out of two towns. unlike the iraqi army and associated militias, the peshmerga looked well equipped and cohesive - so far.

this is a significant development and will embolden them for further action.
The Obama administration has not been very good to the KRG or the Peshmerga in the last few years. In disengaging from Iraq it chose to put its eggs in the Maliki basket. It will take time, money and effort to reverse that neglect.

With any Jihadi emirate, its not just the emirate's ambitions, its the ambitions of the outside volunteer groups who have come to get blooded and one day take the fight home.
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Johann wrote:N - there was an op ed column in the Jerusalem Post entitled 'Why Gaza Must Go,' which called for the expulsion of the Arab population of Gaza.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists ... -go-368862

The problem is that reporting today means that you can't do that sort of thing without being the horror of it all being broadcast live on satellite TV and Twitter. And even Israel's best friends in Congress won't be able to make it OK.
The idea of expelling all the Arabs has been around since the 1950s. Not sure if you follow Israeli politics, but IIRC, one of the erstwhile Lehi politicians (was it Shamir?) had called for the expulsion of all the Arabs from the then Israel to solve the `Arab problem'. No matter how rightwing the government is, it cannot expel the Arabs, either from Israel itself, or from Gaza/West Bank. But it cannot be done, and Israel will not do it. Not because of the great opposition from outside, but because it would set Jews against Jews in Israel, as there is a huge amount of resistance to any such ethnic cleansing within Israel itself.
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While the Gaza ceasefire takes effect,Israel withdraws troops,war is brewing elsewhere,er within Tory ranks in ...London!
The Turkish PM also warns that Israel "will drown in blood" for its Gaza war,in the most anti-Israeli speech seen in recent times from any world leader.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 50354.html
Baroness Warsi sparks Tory rebellion over Gaza

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David Cameron was facing mutiny among senior Tory MPs last night as they lined up to condemn his handling of the Gaza crisis and to warn his stance was alienating millions of British Muslims.

The rebellion was triggered by the resignation of Baroness Warsi, the first Muslim cabinet minister, over his refusal to take a tougher stance on the Israeli bombardment during which 1,800 Palestinians have died. Her dramatic departure, in which she warned the Prime Minister’s approach was “detrimental” to the national interest and risked radicalising young Muslims, won plaudits from several former Tory ministers. Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London, also appeared to back her.

She called for an immediate arms embargo against Israel and said that the Government’s “approach and language during the current crisis in Gaza is morally indefensible”. In a swipe at Mr Cameron, she lamented the sacking of moderate ministers such as Kenneth Clarke in last month’s reshuffle.

George Osborne, the Chancellor, responded by describing her departure as “disappointing and frankly unnecessary” when a tentative ceasefire was in place. Her resignation is a major headache for the Prime Minister, who resumed his Portuguese holiday yesterday after attending the First World War commemoration events.

David Cameron with Baroness Warsi in 2010 (Getty) David Cameron with Baroness Warsi in 2010 (Getty) His discomfort was compounded by prominent Conservatives breaking ranks to support Lady Warsi’s comments. Alistair Burt, the former Foreign Office minister responsible for the Middle East, said: “There is a concern that Israel’s attempts to protect itself and destroy terrorist tunnels is at such dreadful expense of human life. That’s there, not only on the Conservative benches, but throughout Parliament.”

The former Justice minister, Crispin Blunt, praised her decision as “brave and principled”, Damian Green, the former immigration minister, said she was a “brave woman who always speaks her mind” and the former Environment Secretary Lord Deben said: “She is a significant loss on a real matter of principle.”

Sir Nicholas Soames, a former defence minister, tweeted: “The Government needs to note and learn from the resignation of Sayeeda Warsi she was right to leave over a matter of such great importance.”


Her departure will be a blow to Tory efforts to reach out to Muslim voters, just 12 per cent of whom backed the party at the last election.

The Tory MEP Sajjad Karim, who became the first British Muslim in the European Parliament, said: “There is quite clearly a directional shift in Government today and that goes against the grain of what the majority of British people will want to see.”

“I think there is a growing awareness amongst many people that our Government’s position is out of step with what people are seeing on their screens. Much more needs to be done to ensure Israel is held to restraint.”

Mohammed Amin, the chairman of Conservative Muslim Forum, said: “She has been an inspiring advocate for religious freedom around the world. Her work needs to continue.”

Lady Warsi had long urged Mr Cameron and senior Tories to reflect the concern of Muslim voters in a drive to make the party more inclusive.

She pointed out that while polls showed many Muslims shared "conservative values", very few actually voted for the party.

Baroness Warsi's resignation letter But she has become increasingly frustrated at what she sees as the increasingly anti-Muslim rhetoric in parts of Government - in particular over the “Trojan Horse” affair.

She is understood to have been concerned at the appointment of Peter Clarke, a former senior anti-terrorism policeman, to lead the inquiry into allegations hardline Islamists infiltrated Birmingham schools. She raised her worries with Mr Cameron but was overruled.
http://www.albawaba.com/news/erdogan-israel-594473
International condemnation continues of Israeli actions in Gaza
Published August 4th, 2014
France has said foreign nations must impose a "political solution" on Israel and Gaza and that the former’s right to security "does not justify" the deaths of Palestinian civilians.

France, it appears, has sought to distance itself from the increasing death toll of innocents as the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) leads a charge against Hamas.

However, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's words were more potent last night, as he condemned Israel, accusing it of deliberately killing Palestinian mothers and warned that the it would "drown in the blood it sheds."


He was speaking to thousands of supporters during a rally in Istanbul ahead of a 10 August election.

"Just like Hitler, who sought to establish a race free of all faults, Israel is chasing after the same target," Mr Erdogan said, according to Reuters.

"They kill women so that they will not give birth to Palestinians; they kill babies so that they won't grow up; they kill men so they can't defend their country ... They will drown in the blood they shed."


Today, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius' statement was one of the strongest given by a western European nation.

He said: “How many more deaths will it take to stop what must be called the carnage in Gaza?,” according to English-language French outlet The Local.

“The tradition of friendship between Israel and France is an old one and Israel's right to security is total, but this right does not justify the killing of children and the slaughter of civilians."

“That is why we support and demand the establishment of a real ceasefire as proposed by Egypt and why we are ready, as French and Europeans, to contribute to it in a concrete way.

“It is also why a political solution is essential... and should in my opinion be imposed by the international community.”

With more than 1,800 Palestinians and 60 Israelis now dead, Mr Fabius’ statement comes amid international outrage at an Israeli attack on a UN school in Gaza on Saturday, which killed 10.

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called the assault “a moral outrage and a criminal act” after the victims had taken shelter in the school after taking instructions from the military to leave their homes. He also called on those responsible to be brought to account.

It was the seventh time a UN shelter has been struck since fighting began in the beginning of July.

British Prime Minister David Cameron stopped short of employing the language used by the UN Secretary General and the French Foreign Minister, instead declaring that Ban Ki-moon had been right to the condemn the strike.

Speaking on BBC Breakfast this morning, he said civilians should not be targeted and called for an “immediate comprehensive humanitarian ceasefire.”

“We obviously do think it is appalling the loss of life that there has been. From the start, though, we have also made the point that if the Hamas rocket attacks on Israel stop then that would be probably the fastest way to stop this conflict,” he added.

Militant leader, Daniel Mansour, the commander of the Islamic Jihad group, which is allied with Hamas, has been killed in the Gaza Strip, the group said today.

A “humanitarian” ceasefire was reportedly breached by Israel minutes after it was called today, following an air strike on a house in the Shati refugee camp in Gaza City, which killed an eight-year-old girl and wounded 29 others.
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Johann wrote:
Singha wrote:the ISIS have for the first time taken on the US backed Peshmerga and routed them out of two towns. unlike the iraqi army and associated militias, the peshmerga looked well equipped and cohesive - so far.

this is a significant development and will embolden them for further action.
The Obama administration has not been very good to the KRG or the Peshmerga in the last few years. In disengaging from Iraq it chose to put its eggs in the Maliki basket. It will take time, money and effort to reverse that neglect.

With any Jihadi emirate, its not just the emirate's ambitions, its the ambitions of the outside volunteer groups who have come to get blooded and one day take the fight home.
The two towns from which the peshmerga has been expelled are not exactly purely Kurdish territory. Also, it lies well across the Tigris, far from the hardcore Kurdish territories of Sulaimaniyah and Irbil, so it will be hard for the Kurds to reinforce, especially since the ISIS holds Mosul. When the ISIS took Mosul, the peshmerga surged into border areas that they have long coveted but has never been theirs exclusively. So, I cannot say I am greatly surprised.
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Multatuli wrote:Lately, I have noticed long time forum members demonstrate a sympathy and empathy for the Palestinians I fail to understand.
Fifteen hundred plus dead in Gaza, including hundreds of children. Three dead civilians in Israel.
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Jon Stewart on the 500 Crazies of Summer. Includes Gaza segment from 5:00.
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No I'm afraid ISIS is coming to Gaza.
Would not Jordan or syria or heaven forbid Egypt have to fall for that?
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Viv S wrote:
Multatuli wrote:Lately, I have noticed long time forum members demonstrate a sympathy and empathy for the Palestinians I fail to understand.
Fifteen hundred plus dead in Gaza, including hundreds of children. Three dead civilians in Israel.
Let Muslims give up their Jihad and their Ummah delusions. what guarantee does Israel have that once Palestine gets recognized, that little strip of land doesn't become the leading edge of a spear directed at Israel?

No, Islamics can never be allowed to get military upper hand. any non-muslim society which accepts the rise of Islamic military potential will always be considered by Muslims as a "compromiser" and hence weak.

1500 Muslims died because they were either actively encouraging or mutely accepting the genocidal agenda of their fellow Muslims.
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X-Posted from the US td.

http://www.asianage.com/columnists/made-us-752
Made in US
Aug 06, 2014
It’s difficult to foresee what will happen in the Israel-Gaza conflict, but the Economist has summed up the situation accurately when it says that Israel is ‘winning the battle (but) losing the war’

For reasons too obvious to need spelling out, world attention is currently focused on Gaza and the intolerably disproportionate use of force by Israel in return for rockets fired on Israeli towns by Hamas, an obnoxious militant organisation also deserving condemnation.

However, at the time of writing more than 1,800 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed, 80 per cent of them innocent civilians and a fourth of them children. Israelis’ loss of life has been 67, all except three of them soldiers. The horrified United Nations Human Rights Council met and condemned Israel; the United States was the solitary country to vote against the council’s resolution.
President Barack Obama’s only comment was that Israel had a “right to defend itself”. This is unexceptionable but takes no notice of Israel crossing all limits of inhumanity in the clash of arms with Hamas. For their part both Houses of the US Congress speedily and virtually unanimously voted for more military aid to Israel. This was entirely in keeping with America’s blind support to the Jewish state, together with complete immunity.
Against this backdrop it is nothing short of astonishing that even the American conscience was troubled when the Israelis bombed a second UN-run school in Gaza full of nearly 3,000 refugees despite the sharp condemnation of their first attack on a school run by UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) in which 19 people were killed and 100 injured. Even though UNRWA representative Pierre Krahenbuhl gave a full and heartrending account of the Israeli action despite being told 17 times the exact location of the school, the US remained tongue-tied. The UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, called Israel’s shelling of the school a “possible war crime”. The second time around, however, both the White House and the state department have spoken out in the strongest language they have ever used in relation to Israel. A confidante of President Obama, Valerie Jarrett, said on TV that the US was “appalled” by the “disgraceful shelling outside an UNRWA school”.
Although the bulk of the Western media tilts towards Israel and slants the news in its favour, the public in most countries, including those closely allied with the US, cannot be taken in thanks to the social media. In France, for example, Israelis are being called “racists”. In Britain, the new foreign secretary, Phillip Hammond, was forced to admit that the “situation in Gaza was intolerable”. He made this statement after a big row between the Labour leader, David Miliband, and “10 Downing Street”. Mr Miliband taunted British Prime Minister David Cameron that he had condemned the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli students in a West Bank seminary, but has remained silent after the “massacre” of Palestinians. At the popular level the outrage against the “Israeli blitz” is huge. Nearly 60,000 people demonstrated against the Israeli embassy and then marched to Parliament a week ago. A similar march by 100,000 is planned for August 9. It is difficult to foresee what will happen in the Israel-Gaza conflict next, but the Economist seems to have summed up the situation accurately when it says that Israel is “winning the battle (but) losing the war”.
What a tragedy it is that a framework for the settlement of the Israel-Palestine issue on the “two states” basis, negotiated by the two adversaries secretly at Oslo and signed formally on September 13, 1993, on the south lawns of Bill Clinton’s White House by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat, exists. But more than two decades have passed and yet the two sides are unable to clinch it. The Arab states must accept their share of blame because they have done precious little to help their Palestinian brothers. This remains the seminal problem of the Middle East which we like to call West Asia, but not the only one. There are at least three other states in the region that are in such deep turmoil that maintenance of status quo there does not look possible.
Let us begin with Iraq for that is the country the neo-Conservatives of the US, under the leadership of George W. Bush, invaded in 2003, without any sanction from the UN and on the demonstrably false excuse of destroying the weapons of mass destruction of the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein. They even promised to convert Iraq into a democracy of such quality that it would become a “role model” for the wider Middle East! Today Iraq is fast ceasing to be a united entity. Sunni Islamic extremists have established control on the Sunni areas in the north of the country and in Syria, calling themselves the Islamic State (ISIS). One of its leaders, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has even appointed himself Caliph. The historical Shia-Sunni conflict is both escalating and spreading across the Muslim world.
In Libya, the war between two rival factions is so acute that the US, Britain and several other countries have withdrawn their embassies from there. We have also advised our nationals to leave that country because it could explode into two any time. Here again the problem was created by the US when, illegally stretching the UN Security Council’s resolution establishing “no flying zones”, it intervened militarily to kill Muammar al-Gaddafi.
In Syria, the American mission to dislodge President Bashar al-Assad has flopped for two reasons: the balance of power between Russia and the United States, and the composition of the opposition to him. The wild bunch out to overthrow Mr Assad would be far more troublesome to America and the world than him.
Finally, the crowning irony: Lieutenant-General Michael T. Flynn, head of the Defence Intelligence Agency of the US, said last week that the United States “is no safer — and in some respects may be less safe — after 13 years of two wars… We have a whole gang of new actors out there that are more dangerous than Al Qaeda”.
IM has however forgotten that the US which paid lip service to the carnage,actually swiftly resupplied Israel with ammo to let loose on Gaza! Hamas is quite right when it says that this war will only strengthen it,by a flood of new recruits who will want to fight Israel,which has to depend upon its reservists always.As US analysts have said,in the future,Hamas may be replaced by even more deadly entities.ISIS is in the neighbourhood.

The 72 hr ceasefire must be extended into a permanent one and the international community/UN work ,pardon the use of the word at this time,"on a war footing" to establish an interim and eventually a lasting peace to this most vexing of global crises,which could engulf the globe into another terrifying global conflict which would have a nuclear dimension.The single factor that could achieve a breakthrough is the abandonment of the 7 yr. blockade of Gaza by Israel.As long as this is in place Israel can expect trouble 24X7. Most of the tunnels may have been destroyed,but they can be rebuilt along with new ones in time.Time is not on Israel's side in he long run.It should engineer peace when it is strongest,on favourable terms to it,not later when the balance tilts against it.This battle for Gaza has shown that it has lost a lot of international goodwill,but as the right-wing Economist mag said,it is losing the war.
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Was this posted earlier?

NDTV films Hamas assembling and firing a rocket from densely populated civilian area of Gaza city

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ndtv- ... ets-571033
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http://news.yahoo.com/uk-mps-demand-end ... 07512.html

UK MPs demand end to Israeli restrictions on Palestinian land

"We challenge the assertion that restrictions which curtail economic development in the OPTs [Occupied Palestinian Territories] are based on Israel's security needs and can be justified on security grounds," the report by the International Development Committee said.

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The committee said it was "extremely concerned" that Israel could further expand settlements, and said Britain and other European countries should "stress to the Israeli authorities the unacceptability of the present situation".

The British government should also examine whether guidelines on the labelling of produce made in Israeli settlements to allow consumers to avoid buying them has been implemented by retailers, the report said.

UK openly declaring its allegiance to the Islamics. and helping in the destruction of whatever few areas of non-muslim sanctuary remain in the Islamic world.
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devesh wrote:Let Muslims give up their Jihad and their Ummah delusions. what guarantee does Israel have that once Palestine gets recognized, that little strip of land doesn't become the leading edge of a spear directed at Israel?
Will bombing Gaza stop or otherwise hamper the recognition of Palestine? Or stop Jihad/Ummah whatever.
No, Islamics can never be allowed to get military upper hand. any non-muslim society which accepts the rise of Islamic military potential will always be considered by Muslims as a "compromiser" and hence weak.
3 dead in Israel, 1500+ dead in Gaza. What military upper hand?
1500 Muslims died because they were either actively encouraging or mutely accepting the genocidal agenda of their fellow Muslims.
Were hundreds of children a passive party to a genocidal agenda? Does killing them early (preferably in infancy) remove them as a future existential threat to Israel? And does bombing Gaza serve to alienate the actively 'genocidal' segment of population?
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Indian TV Crew Shows Rare Video of Rocket Launch From Gaza


Shortly before a cease-fire went into effect in Gaza on Tuesday morning, a crew from India’s NDTV captured rare footage of Islamist militants quietly preparing to fire a rocket at Israel from a densely populated area of the Palestinian territory.






The video report, narrated by the correspondent Sreenivasan Jain and not broadcast until hours after he and his crew had left the Gaza Strip, appeared to show three men preparing a rocket launch site under a blue tent on Monday, covering the site with brush and leaving the area outside the journalists’ hotel. More footage, recorded 25 hours later, showed smoke from the rocket launched from that spot the next morning.

For his part, Mr. Jain rejected allegations of bias for or against either party, writing on Twitter that his crew had reported Sunday on what he called “nothing short of a massacre” by Israeli forces in the border town of Rafah, where shelling killed civilians in a shelter at a United Nations school.




(Sreenivasan Jain reporting from a hospital in South Gaza after the second Israeli bombing of a UN school and refugee shelter)


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they got lucky, everything was happening near their hotel where they stayed, but they captured it well
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How Israel grabs arab land :wink:

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As I said before Al Brittania is well on its way to be launched. And Warsi will be the new Ayesha of AL Brittania.
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that video of the kids in the hospital was quite sad. And sadder still that none will take responsibility for keeping the peace, and there will be a perpetual state of war .
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Gaza ‘Mass Execution’ Investigated

Human Rights Watch said it has gathered evidence that IDF soldiers fired on civilians and that it’s looking into a mass execution first reported by The Daily Beast.

KHUZAA, Gaza — People are crowding the streets of Gaza City and fishermen are back on the sea as Gazans seize the opportunity of a shaky three-day ceasefire to try to return to something like normal life. More than a quarter of Gaza’s 1.8 million people have been displaced by the fighting, so when Israeli troops withdrew on Tuesday morning, many Gazans clogged the roads, heading back to their neighborhoods to get some idea if anything is left in the places they fled.


The war has killed over 1,800 Palestinians, mostly civilians, hundreds of them children, and 67 Israelis, all but three of them soldiers. It has gone on for nearly a month with such ferocity that both Israel and Hamas, nearing exhaustion, have been looking for ways to claim victory and end the fighting.

So there is general optimism in Gaza that this is the beginning of the end. But for the residents of Khuzaa, rocked by the trauma of near complete Israeli destruction and a hideous mass execution, there is a sense that this is only the end of the beginning.

Despite the Israeli withdrawal from an intended buffer zone that includes 44 percent of Gaza’s territory, many in Khuzaa can no longer imagine continuing to live in this town on the eastern Gaza border with Israel. For Palestinians, whose national identity is built around the notion of strength expressed as steadfast attachment to the land, the broken will of those in Khuzaa is a major psychological defeat at the hands of Israel’s military.


Although Israel’s army has pulled back for now, the gates of Hell they opened here created the conditions for a buffer zone maintained by despair. And this is not the first time.

“We have documented a series of war crimes in Khuzaa over the years and the result should be criminal prosecution, not residents fleeing in fear,” says Bill Van Esveld, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa division. The rights group has recorded systematic Israeli attacks on the town since Israel’s 2008-2009 invasion of Gaza. Van Esvald depicts a bombarded community where residents in 2009 were shot by the army while holding white flags or were attacked with white phosphorous.




Although Israel’s army has pulled back for now, the gates of Hell they opened here created the conditions for a buffer zone maintained by despair. And this is not the first time.

Now there are again reports and investigations into war crimes committed against Khuzaa’s residents in this ongoing conflict. HRW has gathered evidence that between July 23 and 25 Israeli soldiers directly and intentionally fired on civilians who were unable to flee the fighting in the town, and it has begun investigating the summary execution of at least six people whose bodies were piled in the bathroom of one house, as reported by The Daily Beast on August 1.

When I returned to Khuzaa on Sunday, August 3, the bombed-out shell of a town had been ground further into the dust during two more days of Israeli shelling. Kids who had nothing left to play with waved around Israeli bullet clips left behind by the army. In one of the few houses still partially standing, the kids lead me on a tour of where the Israelis took up positions. Holes had been made in walls to fit machine guns; all the furniture and the floors had been destroyed. “Israeli Military Industry” cartridges were scattered around and there was Hebrew spray painting on the walls. Tin cans and an Israeli ***** magazine littered the floor.

This had been an outpost in the middle of a protracted battle, it seems, as Hamas guerrillas tried to prove that they would fight to the last man, in a desperate bid to halt Israel’s advance.


Outside the house, some people sat on the piles of rock in front of their now exposed living rooms and bedrooms. Others were grabbing what they needed as quickly as possible and leaving amid the bone-chilling quiet. There was no shelling this time, but there was the hum of watchful drones. Few people stuck around any longer than necessary.



The soldiers’ outpost is a block from the site of the massacre and it is the same IMI bullet casings that roll around like loose change on the floors of both houses. The home that played host to the killing of people who have yet to be identified is now abandoned. The smell of death still emanates from the bathroom and chickens go back and forth through the open door. Among the shell cases ground into the blackened, burned and decomposed remains on the first floor of the house, a grenade pin sticks out from under a table.

Next door, Mohammad Abu Najar and his father Yousef gather their belongings. Mohammad was one of the first to see the bodies and shows me a photo on his phone of corpses slumped in a line in front of a wall riddled with bullet holes. Other, bloated and decomposing corpses are piled on top of them.

Neither Mohammad nor his father have any intention of moving back to Khuzaa. They are staying in the nearby city of Khan Younis for the moment; they don’t know where they will go next.

“My father will burn this all down,” says Mohammad waving his hand over the two homes that share a courtyard. “Who could live in a place where such a terrible crime has happened.”
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Multatuli wrote:Devesh, thank you for your high quality posts.

Lately, I have noticed long time forum members demonstrate a sympathy and empathy for the Palestinians I fail to understand.

One possible explanation could be the lack of any sympathy towards India's own struggle with Jihad/Islamism/Muslim supremacists from the Jewish community in Europe and west Europe, while they invariably (and understandably) support Israel. Jewish reporters never fail to portray Israel in a favorable light and so do Jewish politicians/intellectuals. While at the same time many Jewish politicians/intellectuals/journalist do a Paki like
equal-equal when discussing Kashmir/Jihadi attacks against India/Pakistani propaganda. Also, we see Jewish intellectuals/activists joining the attack on Indian culture, Dharma and identity.

I guess, these Jews think that by focusing Muslim aggression/Jihad towards India, they are protecting Israel.

And it is tempting for Indians to play the same game and protest the 'civilian casualties' in Gaza, etc..

However, we shoot our self in the foot whenever we do that. How would it help India if we (Indians) help restrict the space Israel has to respond to Jihadi violence (or put differently, excuse Palestinian Jihadists)? We only strengthen the Islamist/Jihadist.


Some time ago, one poster even repeated the same antisemitic puke one can find on white supremacists and Muslims indulge in. It's sad that it has come to this in this forum.
Multatuliji,

Many of those who write these things seem to want to be seen as humanitarians but much as I search i have rarely seen them write of other suffering of both Muslims and non Muslims.

-Benes expelled and seized the lands of 3 million,

-The Janjaweed have killed over 250,000 in some 5 years in Sudan,

-In Sudan in total depending on who you believe some 2.50 million are dead at the hands of a Muslim government,

-Some estimates put the dead in and around the DRC at 5 million in the last 10-15 years (just to help the sums ball park 1000 a day for 15 years!),

-The Sahrawi people were expelled from their land by a Muslim government and currently live in refugee camps separated from their ancestral home by a wall (i am sure i have heard of this somewhere else),

and last but not least,

-Refugees in India both from partition and more recently Kashmir (how often do you hear of 'right of return' for them)

Look back at their posts and much as many can copy and paste about Israeli atrocities barely a post for the 10+ million i have just described above. Could they just be Anti Semitic and if not just simply a pointer to just ONE post on, say Congo's 10 million?
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Lisa wrote:
Multatuli wrote:Devesh, thank you for your high quality posts.

Lately, I have noticed long time forum members demonstrate a sympathy and empathy for the Palestinians I fail to understand.

One possible explanation could be the lack of any sympathy towards India's own struggle with Jihad/Islamism/Muslim supremacists from the Jewish community in Europe and west Europe, while they invariably (and understandably) support Israel. Jewish reporters never fail to portray Israel in a favorable light and so do Jewish politicians/intellectuals. While at the same time many Jewish politicians/intellectuals/journalist do a Paki like
equal-equal when discussing Kashmir/Jihadi attacks against India/Pakistani propaganda. Also, we see Jewish intellectuals/activists joining the attack on Indian culture, Dharma and identity.

I guess, these Jews think that by focusing Muslim aggression/Jihad towards India, they are protecting Israel.

And it is tempting for Indians to play the same game and protest the 'civilian casualties' in Gaza, etc..

However, we shoot our self in the foot whenever we do that. How would it help India if we (Indians) help restrict the space Israel has to respond to Jihadi violence (or put differently, excuse Palestinian Jihadists)? We only strengthen the Islamist/Jihadist.


Some time ago, one poster even repeated the same antisemitic puke one can find on white supremacists and Muslims indulge in. It's sad that it has come to this in this forum.
Multatuliji,

Many of those who write these things seem to want to be seen as humanitarians but much as I search i have rarely seen them write of other suffering of both Muslims and non Muslims.

-Benes expelled and seized the lands of 3 million,

-The Janjaweed have killed over 250,000 in some 5 years in Sudan,

-In Sudan in total depending on who you believe some 2.50 million are dead at the hands of a Muslim government,

-Some estimates put the dead in and around the DRC at 5 million in the last 10-15 years (just to help the sums ball park 1000 a day for 15 years!),

-The Sahrawi people were expelled from their land by a Muslim government and currently live in refugee camps separated from their ancestral home by a wall (i am sure i have heard of this somewhere else),

and last but not least,

-Refugees in India both from partition and more recently Kashmir (how often do you hear of 'right of return' for them)

Look back at their posts and much as many can copy and paste about Israeli atrocities barely a post for the 10+ million i have just described above. Could they just be Anti Semitic and if not just simply a pointer to just ONE post on, say Congo's 10 million?
Lisa-ji,
You hit the nail on the head. Just look at what is happening to the Syrian Christians and the Yezidis, and the Mandaeans of Iraq. How many tears are you seeing for them? Or for the Kalash people of Pakistan and northern Afghanistan? It should tell you whose suffering takes priority for people.
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30,000 Yazidi families running from beheading caliphate of ISIL in Pinjar mountains. Video of appeal in the Iraqi Parliament. Lack of water and food starting to starve kids and old people to death.
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News of slave market in Islamic caliphate of ISIL
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Posting without comments for now.

Out of a job
Many faculty job offers (which are well-vetted by college officials before they go out) contain language stating that the offer is pending approval by the institution's board of trustees. It's just a formality, since many college bylaws require such approval.
Not so with a job offer made to Steven G. Salaita, who was to have joined the American Indian studies program at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign this month. The appointment was made public, and Salaita resigned from his position as associate professor of English at Virginia Tech. But he was recently informed by Chancellor Phyllis Wise that the appointment would not go to the university's board, and that he did not have a job to come to in Illinois, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.
The university declined to confirm the blocked appointment, but would not respond to questions about whether Salaita was going to be teaching there.
For instance, there is this tweet: "At this point, if Netanyahu appeared on TV with a necklace made from the teeth of Palestinian children, would anybody be surprised? #Gaza." Or this one: "By eagerly conflating Jewishness and Israel, Zionists are partly responsible when people say antisemitic shit in response to Israeli terror." Or this one: "Zionists, take responsibility: if your dream of an ethnocratic Israel is worth the murder of children, just ****** own it already."
In recent weeks, bloggers and others have started to draw attention to Salaita's comments on Twitter. But as recently as July 22 (before the job offer was revoked), a university spokeswoman defended Salaita's comments on Twitter and elsewhere. A spokeswoman told The News-Gazette for an article about Salaita that "faculty have a wide range of scholarly and political views, and we recognize the freedom-of-speech rights of all of our employees."
While Salaita has been until very recently very active on Twitter, he stopped posting several days ago, which is unusual for him. He is an active writer beyond Twitter, with op-eds (which of late have identified him as an Illinois professor) and with campaigns on behalf of the movement to organize an academic boycott of Israel. He has also published scholarly books, including Israel's Dead Soul (Temple University Press) and Arab American Literary Fictions, Cultures, and Politics (Palgrave Macmillan).
Salaita's writing last year, while at Virginia Tech, drew fierce attacks (including death threats). In a piece in Salon, he questioned the idea that people should be asked in various ways to "support the troops."
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Gaza conflict: Withdrawal of Israeli soldiers reveals the shell-strewn detritus of humanity
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 52743.html


Meanwhile 40,000 Yazidis face death due to ISIS as they take refuge in the mountains.Dehydrate to death if they stay,slaughtered if they come down.

40,000 Iraqis stranded on mountain as Isis jihadists threaten death
Members of minority Yazidi sect face slaughter if they go down and dehydration if they stay, while 130,000 fled to Kurdish north
http://www.theguardian.com/world
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http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-com ... orror-isis
A humanitarian crisis that could turn into a genocide is taking place right now in the mountains of northwestern Iraq. It hasn’t made the front page, because the place and the people are obscure, and there’s a lot of other horrible news to compete with. I’ve learned about it mainly because the crisis has upended the life of someone I wrote about in the magazine several weeks ago.

Last Sunday, Karim woke up around 7:30 A.M., after coming home late the night before. He was about to have breakfast when his phone rang—a friend was calling to see how he was doing. Karim is a Yazidi, a member of an ancient religious minority in Iraq. Ethnically, he’s Kurdish. An engineer and a father of three young children, Karim spent years working for the U.S. Army in his area, then for an American medical charity. He’s been waiting for months to find out whether the U.S. government will grant him a Special Immigrant Visa because of his service, and because of the danger he currently faces.

Karim is from a small town north of the district center, Sinjar, between Mosul and the Syrian border. Sinjar is a historic Yazidi area with an Arab minority. Depending on who’s drawing the map, Sinjar belongs to either the northernmost part of Iraq or the westernmost part of Kurdistan. Since June, when extremist fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham captured Mosul, they’ve been on the outskirts of Sinjar, facing off against a small number of Kurdish peshmerga militiamen. ISIS regards Yazidis as devil worshippers, and its fighters have been executing Yazidi men who won’t convert to Islam on the spot, taking away the women as jihadi brides. So there were many reasons why a friend might worry about Karim.

“I don’t know,” Karim said. “My situation is O.K.” “No, it’s not O.K.!” his friend said. “Sinjar is under the control of ISIS.”

Karim had not yet heard this calamitous news. “I’ll call some friends and get back to you,” he said.

But the cell network was jammed, so Karim walked to his father’s house. His father told him that thousands of people from Sinjar were headed their way, fleeing north through the mountains to get out of Iraq and into Kurdistan. It suddenly became clear that Karim would have to abandon his home and escape with his family.

ISIS had launched its attack on Sinjar during the night. Peshmerga militiamen were outgunned—their assault rifles against the extremists’ captured fifty-caliber guns, rocket-propelled grenades, mortars, anti-aircraft weapons, and armored vehicles. The Kurds began to run out of ammunition, and those who could retreated north toward Kurdistan. By dawn, the extremists were pouring into town. Later, ISIS posted triumphant photos on Twitter: bullet-riddled corpses of peshmerga in the streets and dirt fields; an ISIS fighter aiming his pistol at the heads of five men lying face down on the ground; Arab locals who stayed in Sinjar jubilantly greeting the new occupiers.

Karim had time to do just one thing: burn all the documents that connected him to America—photos of him posing with Army officers, a CD from the medical charity—in case he was stopped on the road by militants or his house was searched. He watched the record of his experience during the period of the Americans in Iraq turn to ash, and felt nothing except the urge to get to safety.

By 9:30 A.M., Karim and his extended family were crowded into his brother’s car and his father’s pickup truck. They’d had no time to pack, and for the drive through the heat of the desert they took nothing but water, bread, canned milk for Karim’s two-year-old son, and their AK-47s. At first, Karim’s father refused to go along. A stubborn man, he said, “Let them kill me in my town, but I will never leave it.” Fortunately, the father’s paralyzed cousin, who had been left behind by his family, pleaded with him, and at the last minute the two old men joined the exodus. Karim’s twenty or so family members were the last to get out of the area by car, and they joined a massive traffic jam headed northwest. Thousands of other Yazidi families had to flee on foot into the mountains: “They couldn’t leave. They didn’t know how to leave. They waited too long to leave,” Karim said.

Karim drove in a convoy of two hundred and fifty or three hundred cars. They stuck together for safety. The group decided against taking the most direct route to Kurdistan, which would have taken them through the Arab border town of Rabiya. ISIS wasn’t the only danger—Yazidi Kurds have come to regard Sunni Arabs generally as a threat. So they drove across the border at an unmarked point into Syria, where Kurdish rebels—who form one side in the complex Syrian civil war—were in control of the area. The rebels waved the convoy on, while Syrian Arab villagers stared or took videos with their mobile phones. A relative of Karim’s happened to be a cigarette smuggler and knew the way across the desert once the roads disappeared. (“Everyone and everything has his day,” Karim told me.) The undercarriage of Karim’s car began to break off in pieces. They drove for hours through Syria, crossed back into Iraq, and shortly afterward reached a checkpoint into Kurdistan, where the line of cars was so long that they had to wait for hours more. It wasn’t until nightfall, nearly twelve hours after they had fled their home, that Karim and his family reached the Kurdish town of Dohuk, where he happened to have a brother who gave them shelter in his small apartment.

“Compared with other people here, I’m in heaven,” Karim said by phone from Dohuk. “Some are in camps for refugees. It’s very hot and very hard. We are safe, but thousands of families are in the mountains. Thousands.”

Karim heard that one young man had been executed by ISIS for no reason other than being Yazidi. A friend of Karim’s was hiding in the mountains, running low on supplies, and out of battery power in his phone. Another friend, an Arab (“He is not a religion guy, he’s open-minded, it doesn’t matter if you’re Christian or Yazidi,” Karim said), had stayed in Sinjar and was trapped in his home. Now ISIS was going house to house, with information provided by locals, looking for Iraqi soldiers and police, for people with money, for Kurds. They had already taken away the friend’s brother, a police officer. No one knows for sure how many people ISIS has killed since the attack on Sinjar. Karim heard that it is many hundreds.

Prince Tahseen Said, “the world leader of the Yazidis,” has issued an appeal to Kurdish, Iraqi, Arab, and European leaders, as well as to Ban Ki-moon and Barack Obama. It reads: “I ask for aid and to lend a hand and help the people of Sinjar areas and its affiliates and villages and complexes which are home to the people of the Yazidi religion. I invite [you] to assume [your] humanitarian and nationalistic responsibilities towards them and help them in their plight and the difficult conditions in which they live today.”

It’s hard to know what, if anything, is left of the humanitarian responsibilities of the international community. The age of intervention is over, killed in large part by the Iraq war. But justifiable skepticism about the use of military force seems also to have killed off the impulse to show solidarity with the helpless victims of atrocities in faraway places. There’s barely any public awareness of the unfolding disaster in northwestern Iraq, let alone a campaign of international support for the Yazidis—or for the Christians who have been driven out of Mosul or the Sunni Arabs who don’t want to live under the tyranny of ISIS. The front-page news continues to be the war in Gaza, a particular Western obsession whether one’s views are pro-Israel, pro-Palestinian, pro-peace, or pro-plague-on-both-houses. Nothing that either side has done in that terrible conflict comes close to the routine brutality of ISIS.

Karim couldn’t help expressing bitterness about this. “I don’t see any attention from the rest of the world,” he said. “In one day, they killed more than two thousand Yazidi in Sinjar, and the whole world says, ‘Save Gaza, save Gaza.’ ”

Yesterday, a senior U.S. official told me that the Obama Administration is contemplating an airlift, coördinated with the United Nations, of humanitarian supplies by C-130 transport planes to the Yazidis hiding in the Sinjar mountains. There are at least twenty thousand and perhaps as many as a hundred thousand of them, including some peshmerga militiamen providing a thin cover of protection. The U.N. has reported that dozens of children have died of thirst in the heat. ISIS controls the entrance to the mountains. Iraqi helicopters have dropped some supplies, including food and water, but the refugees are hard to find and hard to reach.

It was encouraging to learn that humanitarian supplies might be on the way, but we always seem to be at least a step behind as ISIS rolls over local forces and consolidates power. ISIS is not Al Qaeda. It operates like an army, taking territory, creating a state. The aim of the Sinjar operation seems to be control of the Mosul Dam, the largest dam in Iraq, which provides electricity to Mosul, Baghdad, and much of the country. According to one expert, if ISIS takes the dam, which is located on the Tigris River, it would have the means to put Mosul under thirty metres of water, and Baghdad under five. Other nearby targets could include the Kurdish cities of Erbil and Dohuk. Karim reported that residents of Dohuk, inundated with refugees, felt not just a sense of responsibility for Sinjar but also alarm, and that they were stocking up on supplies in case of an attack.

One way to protect the innocent and hurt those who are terrorizing them would be for the U.S. to launch air strikes on ISIS positions. That option has been discussed within the administration since the fall of Mosul, in June, but it runs against President Obama’s foreign-policy tendencies. “The President’s first instinct is, ‘Let’s help them to do it,’ ” the official told me. “The minute we do something, it changes the game.” This time, unlike in Syria, it isn’t hard to figure out how to “help them to do it”: send arms to the Kurds, America’s only secular-minded, pluralistic Muslim allies in the region, and the only force in the area with the means and the will to protect thousands of lives. (Dexter Filkins wrote, on Monday, about the possibility of American military aid to the Kurds.) Perhaps the U.S., Europe, and the U.N. can’t or won’t prevent genocide in northwestern Iraq, but the Kurds can. The fact that the peshmerga were outgunned by ISIS and ran out of ammunition in Sinjar says that we are a step behind on this front, too. According to the Times, Washington has turned down Kurdish requests for American weapons for fear of alienating and undermining Iraq’s central government in Baghdad.

It seems delusional to imagine that there is such a thing as an Iraqi central government that should be given priority over stopping ISIS and preventing a massacre. That dream of the American project in Iraq is gone. But perhaps the Obama Administration is being more realistic. Yesterday, I also learned that the U.S. is, in fact, sending arms to the Kurds—just not openly. This was even more welcome news, though it’s too bad that the weapons didn’t reach the peshmerga in time to defend Sinjar. The U.S. Joint Operation Center in Erbil is helping peshmerga ground troops and the Iraqi air force to coordinate attacks on ISIS, providing intelligence from the sky. It’s a breakthrough that the Kurds and the Iraqis are cooperating at all. “For the moment,” the senior official said. “And it could all fall apart, because it’s lightning in a bottle.”

The official said that peshmerga forces are organizing to retake Sinjar. Karim heard the same thing in Dohuk, and he said that he wants to be in the first group that returns to his hometown. Meanwhile, he’s volunteering with the American medical charity he used to work for, helping other refugees in Dohuk. He told his children that they’re on an extended vacation in Kurdistan.
See how the Muslim Arab locals helped ISIS in search of their kufr targets.
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it's not about israel killing people or muslims killing people. It's not about shedding tears for one community over the other.

its about death and the tragedy that accompanies it. who can here say, that we saw our own NDTV's Sreenivasan Jain in the hospital with injured children and did not feel sad about their plight?

I personally support Israel and their stand. I have sympathy for the Jews experience over the past millenium- the sort of anti-semitism they have experienced in Europe for a thousand years dwarfs everything else. I can extrapolate and say that my own countrymen have experienced tragedy over many years from foreign invasions and cultures which would have been terrible. If Pakistan in the 21st century can be such a place, intolerant of the minorities, one can imagine how these people have treated us in the past centuries when kings from their religion ruled.

What human tragedy would have been commonplace, then?

Having said that, the plight of the Gazans, today, is terrible.
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Look at the end of the day, who gives a sh*t about jews, christians, or muslims. Let them duke it out. Keeps muslims off balance and preoccupied. If the war gets any bigger, the jihadis will be fighting there rather than in Kashmir. Jews are the Brahmins of the abrahamic sphere. They sit in high places and use Christians and Muslims to destabilize everyone else while at the same time digesting all that is good about them and secularizing it. They are't friends of ours. They started the desert death cult movement and Islam is the latest version.
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Unsettling news.

ISIS extend gains in N Iraq

What happens if Kurds face a lot of difficulties. I do know that Iran is ready for a different Shia leader and are furiously looking for one. How long before someone else replaces Al-Maliki is the question. another pt: How is Turkey going to respond? They have a presidential election too sometime next week.
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vijaykarthik wrote:Unsettling news.

ISIS extend gains in N Iraq

What happens if Kurds face a lot of difficulties. I do know that Iran is ready for a different Shia leader and are furiously looking for one. How long before someone else replaces Al-Maliki is the question. another pt: How is Turkey going to respond? They have a presidential election too sometime next week.

Or If Iraqi central GOvt can hope, the kurds will not go for independence, since they will now be defendant on the Shiites to keep the Sunni IS militias at bay.
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