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eklavya wrote:
But then Assad gasses 1400 people in their sleep. Now, what do you do?
Weapons of Mass Destruction - Eyeraq - Saddam Hussein .....
Weapons of Mass Destruction - Eyeraq - Saddam Hussein .....
Weapons of Mass Destruction - Eyeraq - Saddam Hussein .....
Weapons of Mass Destruction - Eyeraq - Saddam Hussein .....

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http://www.infowars.com/rebels-admit-re ... ns-attack/
Rebels Admit Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack
Militants tell AP reporter they mishandled Saudi-supplied chemical weapons, causing accident

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
August 30, 2013

Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.


“From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak. (back up version here).

Rebels told Gavlak that they were not properly trained on how to handle the chemical weapons or even told what they were. It appears as though the weapons were initially supposed to be given to the Al-Qaeda offshoot Jabhat al-Nusra.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” one militant named ‘J’ told Gavlak.

His claims are echoed by another female fighter named ‘K’, who told Gavlak, “They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them. We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of an opposition rebel, also told Gavlak, “My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” describing them as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.” The father names the Saudi militant who provided the weapons as Abu Ayesha.

According to Abdel-Moneim, the weapons exploded inside a tunnel, killing 12 rebels.


“More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government,” writes Gavlak.
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this story can be true or untrue, but if indeed the might US suffers reversals, then like the Pakis, there will be no announcement about it.
It seems as if the war-crazed were testing Syria's air defences before a 'full-on' assault.
According to the Oklahoman newspaper Post, citing U.S. military sources that the F-22 Raptor crashed in the north of Jordan, sources tell about the possibility of shoot down the F-22 Raptor aircraft by a Syrian missile Syrian everything and happened near the Syrian border, while a military expert John Blu Reed told the newspaper that the shoot down of the F-22 Raptor confirmation that Syria has a defense system updated the S-300, S 400 missiles or rockets, l 'U.S. expert also stated that U.S. relations - Russia will be even more strained if it is confirmed that Russia has provided to Syria missiles S 400.

On the other hand according to reports from the United States, according to the Los Angeles Times of America, the Syrian defense forces have shot down four missiles launched by the Americans type Tomahawk, sources tell us that it was the defense systems (Bentsr 1) anti-aircraft missiles that have made that American missiles struck, and centered in the middle, the sources of Washington state that four missiles were launched to test the degree of defense of the Syrian forces, the sources have also confirmed that one of the main reasons in stopping aggression against Syria is the overthrow of the American F-22 Raptor crashed yesterday in the north of Jordan, also also deal with the part of the Syrian air defense missiles to the four Tomahok, daa remember that Jordan is still home to its territory five F-22, and this was one of the main reasons to postpone the trial of aggression against Syria.

Other sources:
http://www.southlebanon.org/?p=87063

http://nrttv.com/nrt-ar/dreje.aspx?jimare=20333
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But then Assad gasses 1400 people in their sleep. Now, what do you do?
Well, I would bomb the rebels. Here's why.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/ ... l#comments

looking at the jugaad nature of rockets. Does it leave much to imagination ? Can a professional army carry such contraptions around. Will any professional soldier agree to haul such a risky s*it around.

Also as rgosain saar said, why carry the unstable Sarin, which needs to be mixed at battlefield, when the SAA have VX at their disposal.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e0_1377976106

the singer in above clip was a captured Syrian soldier who pretended to have changed stripes and outsmarted FSA/Al-Mob by gaining their trust, and agreeing to become suicide bomber and then (presumably at the farewell prior to the operation) the singer blows everyone up, just as he finishes singing he pauses for a moment and activates something in his lap (probably a detonator) ... KABOOM

It happened in Al-Raqqa. PBUH.
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New Delhi: The government is considering various proposals including shutting petrol pumps in the night to taper fuel demand as it looks at ways to cut the massive oil import bill, Oil Minister M Veerappa Moily said today.
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Most likely India will turn to Iran for oil imports paid in rupees.
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Johann wrote:Sanku,

, but the fact that chemical agents are being used in the conflict is not really in question any more.
I don't think that I remotely alluded that some kind of chemical agent has not been used.
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Sanku wrote:
Johann wrote:Sanku,

, but the fact that chemical agents are being used in the conflict is not really in question any more.
I don't think that I remotely alluded that some kind of chemical agent has not been used.
That' is you completely alluded, now we get it.

You are even with sir Johann by missing even

So many negatives alluded to , really eludes the intent
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Ramana is prophetic,"Moily-the-Oily" has suggested that very same solution to stemming the flow of forex abroad.His other suggestion that petrol bunks stay closed at night is hilarious.People will fill more at each visit,amounting to hoarding.He's going to increase demand instead of curtailing it.Iran is now having the last laugh.India should seriously look for more rupee payments to some friendly nations or resort to barter trade,as was done in the past.

In the aftermath of the Suez "police action",it was Dean Acheson who said that "Britain has lost an empire and is yet to find a role".
Yet Britain eventually did find a role: the most loyal lieutenant of the Pax Americana. Despite a progressively declining economy, Britain maintained relatively large armed forces and typically integrated their operations with those of the United States. A good example is the fact that the UK does not have full size aircraft carriers, but much smaller vessels that were designed as a forward anti-submarine screen for the North Atlantic- effectively placing them subordinate to the much larger US carriers which could only be placed further back.

Now it becomes clear that the special relationship has ended. British disgust at the arrogance and incompetence of the Bush years is now being matched by the growing sense of hostility in the US towards Britain. British institutions, such as the NHS or the Monarchy, are held up to ridicule,
Who provided the Syrians with chem WMD chemicals? Just as the west provided the same to Saddam,here too the west is guilty,the culprit nation being Britain!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 93642.html

Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria
UK accused of ‘breath-taking laxity’ over export license for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride

The Government was accused of “breathtaking laxity” in its arms controls tonight after it emerged that officials authorised the export to Syria of two chemicals capable of being used to make a nerve agent such as sarin a year ago.

The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, will on Monday be asked by MPs to explain why a British company was granted export licences for the dual-use substances for six months in 2012 while Syria’s civil war was raging and concern was rife that the regime could use chemical weapons on its own people. The disclosure of the licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride, which can both be used as precursor chemicals in the manufacture of nerve gas, came as the US Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States had evidence that sarin gas was used in last month’s atrocity in Damascus.

Mr Kerry announced that traces of the nerve agent, found in hair and blood samples taken from victims of the attack in the Syrian capital which claimed more than 1,400 lives, were part of a case being built by the Obama administration for military intervention.

The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills insisted that although the licences were granted to an unnamed UK chemical company in January 2012, the substances were not sent to Syria before the permits were eventually revoked last July in response to tightened European Union sanctions.

In a previously unpublicised letter to MPs last year, Mr Cable acknowledged that his officials had authorised the export of an unspecified quantity of the chemicals in the knowledge that they were listed on an international schedule of chemical weapon precursors.

Critics of the Business Secretary, whose department said it had accepted assurances from the exporting company that the chemicals would be used in the manufacture of metal window frames and shower enclosures, said it appeared the substances had only stayed out of Syria by chance.

The shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna told The Independent: “It will be a relief that the chemicals concerned were never actually delivered. But, in light of the fact the Assad regime had already been violently oppressing internal dissent for many months by the beginning of 2012 and the intelligence now indicates use of chemical weapons on multiple occasions, a full explanation is needed as to why the export of these chemicals was approved in the first place.”

The Labour MP Thomas Docherty, a member of the Commons Arms Export Controls Committee, will today table parliamentary questions demanding to know why the licences were granted and to whom.

He said: “This would seem to be a case of breath-taking laxity – the Government has had a very lucky escape indeed that these chemicals were not sent to Syria.

“What was Mr Cable’s department doing authorising the sale of chemicals which by their own admission had a dual use as precursors for chemical weapons at a time when the Syria’s war was long under way?”

The licences for the two chemicals were granted on 17 and 18 January last year for “use in industrial processes” after being assessed by Department for Business officials to judge if “there was a clear risk that they might be used for internal repression or be diverted for such an end”, according to the letter sent by Mr Cable to the arms controls committee.

Mr Cable said: “The licences were granted because at the time there were no grounds for refusal.”

Although the export deal was outlawed by the EU on 17 June last year in a package of sanctions against the regime of Bashar al-Assad, the licences were not revoked until 30 July. Chemical weapons experts said that although the two substances have a variety of uses such as the fluoridation of drinking water, sodium and potassium fluoride are also key to producing the chemical effect which makes a nerve agent such as sarin so toxic.

Western intelligence has long suspected the Syrian regime of using front companies to divert dual-use materials imported for industrial purposes into its weapons programmes. It is believed that chemical weapons including sarin have been used in the Syrian conflict on 14 occasions since 2012.

Mr Cable’s department last night insisted it was satisfied that the export licence was correctly granted. A spokesman said: “The UK Government operates one of the most rigorous arms export control regimes in the world.

“The exporter and recipient company demonstrated that the chemicals were for a legitimate civilian end-use – which was for metal finishing of aluminium profiles used in making aluminium showers and aluminium window frames.”
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The "rise and fall of Pax Americana".

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 93227.html
Yasmin Alibhai Brown
Sunday 1 September 2013

The special relationship is over. At long last!
We would be saner about our own destiny without this sad dependency on the US
Britain’s wartime debt has to end sometime.With our abject collusion, Americans have bases wherever they choose, a thriving weapons-based economy, a free card to detain and torture whomsoever they capture, to claim the planet and commandeer its resources. Guantanamo Bay, built on Cuban land, is the most potent symbol of all that. ]How long do we simply roll over every time the US wants us to? Wars, as the American comedian George Carlin says, that’s what his nation does best: “We’re not good at anything else now – we’ve got no steel industry, can’t educate our young people, can’t get healthcare for our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country, especially if it is full of brown people.” The first and “inspiring” black President turned out to be just another US cowboy, who believes Americans have special God-given rights that are not available to other humans, not even us pathetic Brits. The UK hitched to the US is more hated today by various peoples of the world than it was even when it had its own empire.
When Thatcher and Reagan were locked in their long embrace, I was selected to join a network, the British-American Project, partly funded by the CIA. Politicians, armed force representatives, CEOs, journalists, artists and policy wonks from both countries gathered there and here. I learnt more about this relationship and made some good friends. But the premise was unnerving as I listened to generals talking about the expansion of Israel as if we would all agree that that was necessary. Or Republicans discussing how to keep Japan in its place. So my reservations go back a long way. This marriage of convenience may have the UK and US’s security at its heart but, after 60 years, it needs to break up. Only then will both sides be free to interact creatively and independently with each other and the world.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 93321.html
Robert Fisk

Sunday 1 September 2013
Robert Fisk: Once Washington made the Middle East tremble – now no one there takes it seriously
Our present leaders are paying the price for the dishonesty of Bush and Blair
Watershed. It’s the only word for it. Once Lebanon and Syria and Egypt trembled when Washington spoke. Now they laugh. It’s not just a question of what happened to the statesmen of the past. No one believed that Cameron was Churchill or that the silly man in the White House was Roosevelt – although Putin might make a rather good Stalin. It’s more a question of credibility; no one in the Middle East takes America seriously anymore. And you only had to watch Obama on Saturday to see why.

For there he was, prattling on in the most racist way about “ancient sectarian differences” in the Middle East. Since when was the president of the United States an expert on these supposed “sectarian differences”? Constantly we are shown maps of the Arab world with Shiites and Sunnis and Christians colour-coded onto the nations which we generously bequeathed to the region after the First World War. But when is an American paper going to carry a colour-coded map of Washington or Chicago with black and white areas delineated by streets?

Obama, who is becoming more and more preacher-like, wants to be the Punisher-in-Chief of the Western World, the Avenger-in-Chief. There is something oddly Roman about him. And the Romans were good at two things. They believed in law and they believed in crucifixion. The US constitution – American “values” and the cruise missile have a faintly similar focus. The lesser races must be civilized and they must be punished, even if the itsy-bitsy tiny missile launches look more like perniciousness than war. Everyone outside the Roman Empire was called a barbarian. Everyone outside Obama’s empire is called a terrorist.

ake Afghanistan, for example. I had an interesting phone call from Kabul three days ago. And it seems that the Americans are preventing President Karzai purchasing new Russian Mi helicopters – because Moscow sells the same helicopters to Syria. Well, how about that. The US, it seems, is now trying to damage Russian trade relations with Afghanistan – why the Afghans would want to do business with the country that enslaved them for eight years is another matter – because of Damascus.

Now another little piece of news. Just over a week ago, two massive car bombs blew up outside two Salafist mosques in the north Lebanese city of Tripoli. They killed 47 people and wounded another 500. Now it has emerged that five people have been charged by the Lebanese security services over these bombings and one of them is said to be a captain in the Syrian government intelligence service.

His charge is “in absentia”, as they say, and we all like to think that men and women are innocent until proved guilty. But two sheikhs have also been charged, one of them apparently the head of a pro-Damascus Islamist organization. The other sheikh is also said to be close to Syrian intelligence. Typically, Obama is so keen on bombarding Syria for gassing that he has missed out on this nugget of information which has angered and infuriated millions of Lebanese.

But I guess this is what happens when you take your eye off the ball.

It reminds me of a book that was published by Yale University Press in 2005. It was called The New Lion of Damascus by David Lesch, a professor at Trinity University in Texas. Those were the days when Bashar al-Assad was still being held up as the bright new broom in Syria.

“Bashar,” Lesch concluded, “is, indeed, the hope – and the promise of a better future.”

Then last year – by which time the West had abandoned its dreams of Bashar – the good professor came up with another book, again published by Yale. This time it was called Syria: The Fall of the House of Assad, and Lesch concluded: “He (Bashar) was short-sighted and became deluded. He failed miserably.”

As my Beirut bookseller remarked, we must await Lesch’s next book, tentatively entitled, perhaps, Assad is Back. Why, he may well last longer than Obama.
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Philip wrote:The "rise and fall of Pax Americana".


Sunday 1 September 2013
Robert Fisk: Once Washington made the Middle East tremble – now no one there takes it seriously
Our present leaders are paying the price for the dishonesty of Bush and Blair
Now no one in India takes DC seriously
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Even the Syrian refugees !

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... ed-zaatari

Syrian refugee: 'Obama lied to us'
Inside the Zaatari camp the mood is bleak among those who have fled the war and now feel the US has deserted them
Syrian refugees gathered in small groups to listen to Barack Obama. Some watched on al-Jazeera TV, others tuned in to the radio, many followed on Twitter or online news sites. Expectations were high.

"We thought, when he began to speak, the strikes on Bashar al-Assad's regime were going to start immediately," said one refugee, Abu Assam. "Then he said 'but'." In Arabic "but" is "wa lakin", but in both languages the implication is the same. "It was when he said that word that everything came crashing down." He added: "Obama lied to us."

He believes America has deserted Syrians. "We know what this means," he said. "It means nothing is going to happen. Not in a day, not in a week, not in a month. He said it didn't matter if it was a week or a month. But it will never happen."

Another resident, Mohamed Mahdi, said: "We know only 25% of Americans back the strike. We know that in Europe people are also split. But this is the third year of the war for us. America and the Europeans are not standing with the Syrian people. It feels as if nobody cares about what is happening to us."

"We know that many people are sympathetic to what is happening to us. It is the politicians and the British opposition, like Obama, who don't seem to care. We will never forgive them for what they are doing."
PS:Shouldn't these Arabs have realised the truth,that the US would double-cross them? After all O'Bomber's middle name is "Hussein"!
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someone said above that this war is not about oil, seems to me that it is ALL about oil. but the competition between saudi/qatari oil/gas versus russian/iranian oil/gas and about the pipelines that will be run to europe

the alawite/shia v sunni gig is just window dressing, but the saudis are seriously subverting the americans into this war - who seem more focused on ant-eye-eye-ran actions than using their heads. kerry particularly seems to have lost the plot - thank god he didn't become president!!

now we have to see if obama and putin can work out a deal next week before the congress vote
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Philip wrote:
It reminds me of a book that was published by Yale University Press in 2005. It was called The New Lion of Damascus by David Lesch, a professor at Trinity University in Texas. Those were the days when Bashar al-Assad was still being held up as the bright new broom in Syria.

“Bashar,” Lesch concluded, “is, indeed, the hope – and the promise of a better future.”

Then last year – by which time the West had abandoned its dreams of Bashar – the good professor came up with another book, again published by Yale. This time it was called Syria: The Fall of the House of Assad, and Lesch concluded: “He (Bashar) was short-sighted and became deluded. He failed miserably.”

As my Beirut bookseller remarked, we must await Lesch’s next book, tentatively entitled, perhaps, Assad is Back. Why, he may well last longer than Obama.
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The Syrian forces seem to be in an un-enviable position. Can't attack F-22s across border into Jorden on one hand. On ground al-mobs have to just snatch and kill when Syrian forces are not around and Syrian forces have to fight from defensive position. No one other than Syrian forces are to be held accountable for anything. Coincidentally, neither al-mobs nor 'coalition of wiling' are likely to retard each other's manoeuvres.
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Reports say that the Senate is all "wrapped up",but that Congress is 50-50,with the "Tea Party" ready to spoil O/Bomber's Syrian "high tea".Is there any info on this issue,closer to the ground available?
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The scale of the most recent chemical attack in Damascus is very much at odds with the previous highly tactical use of CW in battlefield situations in Syria. As I said I remain unconvinced that it was a deliberate regime attack.

However below is a detailed and quite un-sensational account on the use of gas as tactical battlefield weapon by a couple of Le Monde journalists back in May after two months in the Damascus area. They were close enough to the front that they were on the periphery of a strike and experienced some of the symptoms.

Reading the accounts suggest that delivery is through mortars, or even smaller devices to keep effects highly localised, and that it is integrated with other tactics such as sniper fire and air strikes in order to break up rebel concentrations and make breakthroughs at strongpoints.

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/art ... _3218.html
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Lavrov speaks of double standards, personal aspect in Western attitude to Middle East
The approaches of outside players to the developments in the Middle East and North Africa are determined by double standards and sympathies for certain leaders in the region, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said.

"If we speak of the Middle East and North Africa, then what we call double standards are apparent," he told MGIMO students on Monday.

"There is an apparent personal aspect when personal dislike for a specific authoritarian leader prompts the strong need to topple him by any means, while authoritarian leaders who don't arouse personal dislike and who are supporters and allies of our Western partners are not discussed at all," he said.

China says 'gravely concerned' about military attack on Syria
Beijing was "gravely concerned" about the prospect of "unilateral military actions" against Syria, it said Monday, adding no measures should be taken until it was clear who, if anyone, had used chemical weapons in the country.

China, a veto-wielding permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, has consistently called for a political solution to the Syrian crisis.

Over the course of the conflict it has joined with fellow UN Security Council member Russia in blocking resolutions supported by Washington and its allies.

"We are gravely concerned that some country may take unilateral military actions," foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei told reporters at a regular briefing, referring indirectly to the US.

Hong said US officials had shared information with China about the situation.

"The US side has briefed China about the US evidence on chemical weapons used in Syria as well as relevant decisions made by the US," he said.

US Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday that Washington has proof the Syrian regime used sarin gas in a deadly attack last month.President Barack Obama is building a case for US military strikes against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.

The US appeared ready to strike without congressional approval but Obama reversed course and asked lawmakers to vote on an attack.

Hong said that Beijing was opposed to "whoever uses chemical weapons" and backed the UN in "carrying out an independent, impartial, objective and professional investigation".

He also said any action taken by the international community should be based on investigation outcomes.

"The results should tell us whether chemical weapons have been used and who used them," he said. "The international community can take actions based on those results."
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Syria intervention plan fueled by oil interests, not chemical weapon concern

Aug. 30, 2013

On 21 August, hundreds - perhaps over a thousand - people were killed in a chemical weapon attack in Ghouta, Damascus, prompting the US, UK, Israel and France to raise the spectre of military strikes against Bashir al Assad's forces.

The latest episode is merely one more horrific event in a conflict that has increasingly taken on genocidal characteristics. The case for action at first glance is indisputable. The UN now confirms a death toll over 100,000 people, the vast majority of whom have been killed by Assad's troops. An estimated 4.5 million people have been displaced from their homes. International observers have overwhelmingly confirmed Assad's complicity in the preponderance of war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Syrian people. The illegitimacy of his regime, and the legitimacy of the uprising, is clear.

Experts are unanimous that the shocking footage of civilians, including children, suffering the effects of some sort of chemical attack, is real - but remain divided on whether it involved military-grade chemical weapons associated with Assad's arsenal, or were a more amateur concoction potentially linked to the rebels.

Whatever the case, few recall that US agitation against Syria began long before recent atrocities, in the context of wider operations targeting Iranian influence across the Middle East.

In May 2007, a presidential finding revealed that Bush had authorised CIA operations against Iran. Anti-Syria operations were also in full swing around this time as part of this covert programme, according to Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker. A range of US government and intelligence sources told him that the Bush administration had "cooperated with Saudi Arabia's government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations" intended to weaken the Shi'ite Hezbollah in Lebanon. "The US has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria," wrote Hersh, "a byproduct" of which is "the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups" hostile to the United States and "sympathetic to al-Qaeda." He noted that "the Saudi government, with Washington's approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria," with a view to pressure him to be "more conciliatory and open to negotiations" with Israel. One faction receiving covert US "political and financial support" through the Saudis was the exiled Syrian Muslim Brotherhood.

According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: "I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business", he told French television:
"I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria."
The 2011 uprisings, it would seem - triggered by a confluence of domestic energy shortages and climate-induced droughts which led to massive food price hikes - came at an opportune moment that was quickly exploited. Leaked emails from theprivate intelligence firm Stratfor including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials confirmed US-UK training of Syrian opposition forces since 2011 aimed at eliciting "collapse" of Assad's regime "from within."

So what was this unfolding strategy to undermine Syria and Iran all about? According to retired NATO Secretary General Wesley Clark, a memo from the Office of the US Secretary of Defense just a few weeks after 9/11 revealed plans to "attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years", starting with Iraq and moving on to "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran." In a subsequent interview, Clark argues that this strategy is fundamentally about control of the region's vast oil and gas resources.

Much of the strategy currently at play was candidly described in a 2008 US Army-funded RAND report, Unfolding the Future of the Long War (pdf). The report noted that "the economies of the industrialized states will continue to rely heavily on oil, thus making it a strategically important resource." As most oil will be produced in the Middle East, the US has "motive for maintaining stability in and good relations with Middle Eastern states":
"The geographic area of proven oil reserves coincides with the power base of much of the Salafi-jihadist network. This creates a linkage between oil supplies and the long war that is not easily broken or simply characterized... For the foreseeable future, world oil production growth and total output will be dominated by Persian Gulf resources... The region will therefore remain a strategic priority, and this priority will interact strongly with that of prosecuting the long war."
In this context, the report identified several potential trajectories for regional policy focused on protecting access to Gulf oil supplies, among which the following are most salient:
"Divide and Rule focuses on exploiting fault lines between the various Salafi-jihadist groups to turn them against each other and dissipate their energy on internal conflicts. This strategy relies heavily on covert action, information operations (IO), unconventional warfare, and support to indigenous security forces... the United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists to launch proxy IO campaigns to discredit the transnational jihadists in the eyes of the local populace... US leaders could also choose to capitalize on the 'Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict' trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world.... possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuingly hostile Iran."
Exploring different scenarios for this trajectory, the report speculated that the US may concentrate "on shoring up the traditional Sunni regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan as a way of containing Iranian power and influence in the Middle East and Persian Gulf." Noting that this could actually empower al-Qaeda jihadists, the report concluded that doing so might work in western interests by bogging down jihadi activity with internal sectarian rivalry rather than targeting the US:
"One of the oddities of this long war trajectory is that it may actually reduce the al-Qaeda threat to US interests in the short term. The upsurge in Shia identity and confidence seen here would certainly cause serious concern in the Salafi-jihadist community in the Muslim world, including the senior leadership of al-Qaeda. As a result, it is very likely that al-Qaeda might focus its efforts on targeting Iranian interests throughout the Middle East and Persian Gulf while simultaneously cutting back on anti-American and anti-Western operations."
The RAND document contextualised this disturbing strategy with surprisingly prescient recognition of the increasing vulnerability of the US's key allies and enemies - Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Egypt, Syria, Iran - to a range of converging crises: rapidly rising populations, a 'youth bulge', internal economic inequalities, political frustrations, sectarian tensions, and environmentally-linked water shortages, all of which could destabilise these countries from within or exacerbate inter-state conflicts.

The report noted especially that Syria is among several "downstream countries that are becoming increasingly water scarce as their populations grow", increasing a risk of conflict. Thus, although the RAND document fell far short of recognising the prospect of an 'Arab Spring', it illustrates that three years before the 2011 uprisings, US defence officials were alive to the region's growing instabilities, and concerned by the potential consequences for stability of Gulf oil.

These strategic concerns, motivated by fear of expanding Iranian influence, impacted Syria primarily in relation to pipeline geopolitics. In 2009 - the same year former French foreign minister Dumas alleges the British began planning operations in Syria - Assad refused to sign a proposed agreement with Qatar that would run a pipeline from the latter's North field, contiguous with Iran's South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, with a view to supply European markets - albeit crucially bypassing Russia. Assad's rationale was "to protect the interests of [his] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."

Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed in July 2012 - just as Syria's civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo - and earlier this year Iraq signed aframework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.

It would seem that contradictory self-serving Saudi and Qatari oil interests are pulling the strings of an equally self-serving oil-focused US policy in Syria, if not the wider region. It is this - the problem of establishing a pliable opposition which the US and its oil allies feel confident will play ball, pipeline-style, in a post-Assad Syria - that will determine the nature of any prospective intervention: not concern for Syrian life.

What is beyond doubt is that Assad is a war criminal whose government deserves to be overthrown. The question is by whom, and for what interests
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Rumors also say that KSA money through friends of Israel
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Fighting words from the Saudi prince.Perhaps he does so safe in the knowledge that his despotic monarchy possesses N-weapons and delivery systems built by the Sino-Paki combine! So the " (rotten) tooth is out".It's the usual form with events in the Middle East,"all about oil", and western Cold War warriors still wanting to hurt Russia any which way they can!

With the experience of Iraq and Afghanistan behind us,even "after Assad",there will be so much of chaos,that any hope of building a pipeline through Syria is literally a "pipe dream",pun intended! Does any sane soul imagine that the Iranians will stay silent and watch the Qataris and Saudis build it? Or that Russia will also watch as a neutral bystander when its interests have been sabotaged? Why even in Afghanistan the other great "pipe dream" of bringing in Central Asian Caspian Sea oil through Afghanistan and Pak to the Arabian Sea has come a cropper,despite a decade+ of conflict.The Yanquis are now retreating with their tails between their legs. As O'Bomber starts talking to McCain.to seal a deal with his former enem, scepticism appeasr to be growing across the global board,but a dei-hard US establishment wants war,"God wills it!".
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BBC report: Syrian government behind 'massive chemical attack'
2 September 2013 Last updated at 21:21

France says the chemical attack near Damascus last month "could not have been ordered and carried out by anyone but the Syrian government".

A report presented to parliament by Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault says the assault on 21 August involved the "massive use of chemical agents".

It concludes that at least 281 deaths can be attributed to the attack.

France and the US are pushing for punitive military action, which the UK parliament rejected last week.

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has again denied carrying out a chemical attack, telling the French newspaper Le Figaro it would have been "illogical".

He also warned that foreign military action could ignite the "powder keg" of the wider region.

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The chemical attack took place in the Ghouta, an agricultural belt around the capital, Damascus.

The US put the death toll at 1,429, including 426 children and has blamed the Syrian government, based on its intelligence.

On Monday Mr Ayrault made public France's nine-page report into the incident, drawn up by military and foreign intelligence services.

It says Syria's arsenal of chemical weapons is "massive and diverse", comprising "several hundred tons" of the nerve agent sarin and "dozens of tons" of the most toxic known agent, VX.

The Syrian army had already used chemical weapons, including sarin, against the population several times, says the report, but on 21 August it launched an attack which involved "massive use of chemical agents".

The use of chemical weapons can only be authorised by President Assad or "certain influential members of his clan", says the report, while opposition forces lack the capacity to carry out such a large-scale chemical attack.

After his meeting with MPs, Mr Ayrault told reporters: "France is determined to penalise the use of chemical weapons by Assad's regime and to dissuade with a forceful and firm response."
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The Guardian: Syria crisis: French intelligence dossier blames Assad for chemical attack
The document states: "Syria has one of the most important operational stocks of chemical weapons as part of an old and diversified programme that has been the subject of surveillance by the French [intelligence] services, and those of our principle partners, for a long time. This programme is one of the primary threats in terms of the proliferation of arms of massive destruction …

"In its battles engaged against the opposition to the regime of President Assad, Damascus has already employed such arms, namely sarin, in limited attacks against its own population, particularly in April 2013.

"The analysis of information that we have today leads us to believe that on 21 August 2013 the Syrian regime launched an attack on certain areas of the Damascus suburbs held by opposition units, using a combination of conventional weapons and the massive use of chemical weapons."

"Notably, since the beginning of the conflict, our intelligence confirms the regime's use of munitions carrying smaller amounts of chemical agents adapted for tactical use as they are more accurate and localised.

"Bashar al-Assad and certain influential members of his clan are the only ones permitted to give the order for the use of chemical weapons. The order is then transmitted to those responsible at the competent branches of the CERS. At the same time, the army chiefs of staff receive the order and decide on targets, the weapons and the toxic agents to put in them," it states.

The French report claims the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons against areas held by opposition forces "with the aim of taking territory or causing terror" for several months.

After the United Nations sent in an inspection team to verify the claims and counter-claims, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Nato secretary general, said he was personally convinced that Assad was responsible for the attacks.
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Syria – Excerpts from the interview given by François Hollande, President of the Republic, to the daily newspaper Le Monde (August 30, 2013)
Q. – Does France have proof of the use of chemical weapons in Damascus on 21 August?

THE PRESIDENT – It’s no longer a question of whether chemical weapons were used in the Damascus suburbs on 21 August. It’s an established fact. Even the Syrian authorities are no longer denying it. No, the question is: who were the perpetrators of that appalling act? France has a body of evidence that suggests the regime was responsible. Firstly, several chemical attacks had already taken place in Syria. But that of 21 August, in its scale and its effects, changes the nature of things. It’s been confirmed that the opposition possesses none of those weapons, whereas all the stocks are under Bashar al-Assad’s control. Secondly, the district in question wasn’t struck accidentally or inadvertently: it’s a key area for the regime’s control of communication routes into Damascus. Finally, everything was done in the hours following the atrocities to wipe out the traces of them through bombardments, and we’re certain who was behind those.
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So the French intelligence is superior to even uncles intelligence?

Is it because they make more of Esau de Cologne brands than any one?

All evidence so far is circumstantial

Whose evidence trumps whose ? American, French , Russian, British or the UN
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Tomorrow is Sept 3 the anniversary of beginning of WWII.
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eklavya wrote:Syria – Excerpts from the interview given by François Hollande, President of the Republic, to the daily newspaper Le Monde (August 30, 2013)
Q. – Does France have proof of the use of chemical weapons in Damascus on 21 August?

THE PRESIDENT – It’s no longer a question of whether chemical weapons were used in the Damascus suburbs on 21 August. It’s an established fact. Even the Syrian authorities are no longer denying it. No, the question is: who were the perpetrators of that appalling act? France has a body of evidence that suggests the regime was responsible. Firstly, several chemical attacks had already taken place in Syria. But that of 21 August, in its scale and its effects, changes the nature of things. It’s been confirmed that the opposition possesses none of those weapons, whereas all the stocks are under Bashar al-Assad’s control. Secondly, the district in question wasn’t struck accidentally or inadvertently: it’s a key area for the regime’s control of communication routes into Damascus. Finally, everything was done in the hours following the atrocities to wipe out the traces of them through bombardments, and we’re certain who was behind those.
http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/news/2 ... laim-saudi
● U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.” However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.
● In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.
waiting for someone to make the case that the French supplied Saudi's with Sarin tech and thus make the case for 'limited' and 'narrow' campaign against France to remind it of it's responsibilities and to prevent France from gaining unfair advantage over the Levant.
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It seems western 'leaders' like Cameron, Hollande, Obama, Kerry, McCain etc have handlers who set targets for these leaders. They are compared, in ability, to their erstwhile predecessors who were able to achieve and fulfill certain targets. In Syria the face of the enemy is Assad, in Russia face of the enemy is Putin, but nobody has even seen who the handlers for Cameron, Hollande, Obama, Kerry, McCain etc are. This is an unseen enemy.

all over people are scratching their heads and putting on their pscyo-analysis caps as to who really would be the handlers and enablers for making a few otherwise simple guys into pscyopaths, here is one thesis blaming Jewry, but it may be a bit more complex.

http://rt.com/op-edge/istael-syria-attack-crisis-251/
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chanakyaa wrote:Fiction, Fact... Or Scandal?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-0 ... roportions
100% Fiction.

It looks like 'wagner' got these mail from people mentioned... stripped headers and added some broken english in those mails.
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Syria is the last remaining 'secular' regime in West Asia. Taking out regimes in Libya, Egypt, Iraq also means that the strong minorities that these countries host are the first casualties of western-sponsored war. Taking out minorities will ensure a fundamentalist regime, that rules with an iron-hand and can implement western dictats without any challenge from any quarter, can flourish without check in these countries.
One of core features of raging Arab Spring is the genocide of Middle East Christians.
America’s Covert War against Christians in the Middle East

By Nikolai Bobkin
Global Research, September 02, 2013
Strategic Culture Foundation
A possible US intervention into Syria against the background of chaos and bloody turmoil reigning in the country for over two years could become a turning point in the contemporary world history. Everything that is taking place in the Middle East during the Obama’s tenure – be it Tunisia, Libya, Syria or Yemen – is a result of US direct meddling into internal affairs of these countries.

At present Obama simply cannot admit that Syria has stood tall against the West and the policy of siding with “Islamists” has failed. The Assad’s government holds the reigns gaining even more support from Syria people. That’s why the real goal of the planned intervention under the cynical slogan of protecting civilians is rendering support to rebels, who are in the process of suffering defeat. According to Obama’s plans, the mission is to destroy the military infrastructure and enable the rebels with rich experience of fighting unarmed civilians concentrate on regime change. There are no more than 5 percent of Syrian nationals among those who are fighting the government troops; others are mercenaries coming from other countries to fight for money in a foreign land. Some of them come from Russia and other republics of former Soviet Union.

The plight of Syrian Christians is especially hard. Terrorists burn temples, attack old men, women and children. Until now the anti-Christian activities of Washington-friendly Islamic radicals have not been contained. It should be noted that some time before the US Congress suspended military and financial support to «Syrian rebels». The main reason behind the decision was the oppression the Syrian Christians are subject to. The major part of Congressmen came to the conclusion the US had no moral right to render support to «liberators» involved in atrocities on foreign soil. Unlike the «President – peacemaker» Obama, they believed that such policy leaves the Syrian minorities without any guarantees, while the support of Islamists results in conscientious and purposeful elimination of Christians.

The shocking news has started to come from Syria almost daily. For instance, the town of Rableh was surrounded by rebels for a few weeks. Islamists killed everyone trying to leave the area, including the employees of Christian organizations trying to bring in medical supplies and food. It’s impossible to find a single church left undesecrated, foreign mercenaries commit atrocities, bring down crosses and bury them underground.

The US administration does its best to exacerbate inter-confessional strife in Syria and across the entire Arab world. It looks like planned destruction of historical areas related to the birth of Christianity… It’s not Syria only. Today the world witnesses the destruction of everything the Christians have created during two thousand years. One of core features of raging Arab Spring is the genocide of Middle East Christians.

The Coptic communities appeared in Alexandria in the first century A.D. As US sponsored “Islamists” go on a rampage, they pay dearly losing many lives. The Egyptian Copts are Orthodox Christians; there had been 10 million of them in Egypt before the US-imposed revolution started. Only during the four days of unrest this August there were 30 Coptic Orthodox temples, 14 Catholic churches and monasteries, 5 Protestant prayer places destroyed and burned in the country. Many thousands of Copts are fleeing Egypt; some of them have gone to Russia escaping the terror. The West have purposefully kept silence about the fact that over 2 million Christians had lived in Iraq till the US 2003 invasion, there are only 300 thousand of them remaining in the country now. It’s hard to find similar instances of such exodus in contemporary history.

Is it possible to preserve Christian culture in Arab countries of the Middle East? It’s a serious question. With Washington’s support the region is moving under the control of Al Qaeda, Jabhat al-Nusra, the Muslim brothers. It won’t be an exaggeration to say that Obama has become a determining factor in the repressions the Middle East Christians are subject to.

Let me remember that the condemnation of his predecessor, George Bush, who started the war in Iraq without the congressional approval, was part of the agenda during the Obama’s first election campaign. The promise not to start new wars brought him votes, helped to win the election and become President. Now the words about the need to defend mythical «national interests» in Syria are not taken seriously by Americans, over 60% of them believe an intervention would not meet these interests. The lawmakers want reasonable explanations of the goals and motives in case an operation is launched. In response, Obama promises to take a «personal decision».

Looks like Obama is taking a pause in the relationship with his own country as he has done in case of Russia. Most likely he won’t get any approval from Congress as the Constitution envisions. Neither can Washington get approval from the United Nations. Besides, France has deviated from participation in military actions, as well as other NATO allies. And Obama will have to be personally responsible for the fallout in case he decides to intervene. Empty phrases like the promises that the US response to the use of chemical weapons will be limited don’t carry any weight anymore.
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there also seems to be a strain of visceral hatred to the 'slavic led' eastern orthodox church and uncare for the copts in western foreign policy. these ancient christians the first christians in the world really if you consider they are continguous to the birthplace area are nobody's children these days wherever the state doesnt protect them.

my strong feeling is coptic christianity will get wiped off the map in africa, whether by the islamics or the 'new' protestants trying to establish footprint. old structures like these hewn of solid rock in ethiopia will surely be dynamited bamiyan style
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/18

perhaps the sight of sdre africans as the most ancient and 'pure' strain of the faith doesnt sit well with the fatkat vatican warlords in their red velvet cushions. perhaps the west just wants to let loose its troop of islamist monkeys on the entire ME to get a lockdown on all oil and gas.
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Jhujar wrote:http://www.forbes.com/sites/donaldkirk/ ... -on-syria/
India Looks To Iran For Oil, Away From U.S. On Syria
It’s fine to talk about India’s improving relations with the U.S. and bonding with Japan and South Korea in the quest for arms, investment and security vis-a-vis the specter of a strong, modernizing China to the North and a perpetually hostile, difficult and uncertain Pakistan to the west.(But guess what? While all that’s well and good, India is also fast improving frayed ties with Iran — and not supportive at all of President Obama’s desire to punish the Syrian regime of President Assad for wiping out more than a thousand Syrian citizens in the most flagrant example of chemical warfare ever caught on television.“There are certain hard realities which say you can’t ignore Iran,” says commentator Swapan Dasgupta, talking to me at the India International Center in New Delhi. “We can’t do very much about sanctions on Iran.”
In other words, while Obama’s wrath over Syria is all over Indian TV, you don’t hear people here saying he’s right, let’s get Assad before he again unleashes sarin gas on innocent civilians. The reason is basic: India really really needs Iranian oil, and it’s not going to risk that all-important source while mired in economic difficulties that have everyone wondering if the Indian success story is over.
“Crisis drives India to turn to Iran for oil,” says the headline over the lead story in The Hindu, reporting India’s plan this year at least to match the import of 13.1 million metric tons of oil in FY 2012-2013 after having cut off the flow for several months while holding back on payments in dollars or euros.That figure in turn was down from 18.1 million tons the previous year so does not represent a statistical improvement, but India in the current fiscal year has imported only two million tons. Now the oil minister, Veerappa Moily, is recommending that India hurry up and import another 11 million tons, for which Iran has agreed to accept payment in rupees.
As a result, according to Moily, the cash-strapped government will save $8.5 billion — the difference between what Iran is charging and what India would have to pay to its other leading sources of oil, notably Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Second only to Saudi Arabia in oil exports to India in FY 2010-2011, Iran ranked sixth last year and, for the month of July, was 15th.
But that’s beginning to change as India approves insurance for Iranian shippers in a desperation move to shore up the economy, suffering from a current accounts deficit of $85 billion.The India-Iran relationship, moreover, rests on other factors that show how difficult is the new Great Game for Asia — and how tenuous are relationships in a time of turmoil. “India has a convergence of interests with Iran,” says Dasgupta, who writes regularly for Indian papers and is a frequent guest on TV talk shows.
Like Iran, India worries about what will happen to Afghanistan as the U.S. withdraws forces and the Taliban count on support from Pakistan, where the Taliban emerged as a full blown force from madrassas along the Afghan border. While Iran discounts the price of oil to India, India sees the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas on the Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Persian Gulf as the only way to get to Afghanistan as long as Pakistan is sure to block traffic coming the other way.

“India needs a basket of supplies,” says Dasgupta. “Bandar Abbas is very important strategically for India. That enhances the importance of Iran for India’s foreign policy.” Otherwise, he adds, “We have nothing in common with the regime in Iran.”
As for Syria, Indian strategists have to wonder if Assad should really be India’s enemy considering that he pursues a non-religious policy that distinguishes him from fanatical Islamic forces. Or, as Dasgupta puts it, “He’s a fragile shield against Islamic radicalism.”On top of everything else, however, India also has good relations with the arch-enemy of Iran and the Arab world — namely Israel. From Israel comes sophisticated weaponry including the avionics for Sukhoi fighters that Russia exports to India stripped of a lot that’s needed to fly and fight.All of which no doubt leaves U.S. diplomats wondering how to approach India in the overall scheme of interlocking, often conflicting, always puzzling relationships in the region. Indian leaders and writers no longer yak about “non-alignment” as they once did, but clearly India is not too interested in hewing to the line from Washington either.
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Russia Dismisses U.S. Evidence of Chemical-Weapons Use by Assad Regime
War of Words Between Kremlin and White House Continues

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MOSCOW—A war of words between the Kremlin and the White House over Syria showed no sign of abating Monday, as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov dismissed U.S. evidence of the Assad regime's chemical-weapons use as unconvincing.


Speaking during an appearance at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, Mr. Lavrov said there is "nothing concrete" in the information the U.S. has shown Russia on the use of such weapons by Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad's regime.

"That which our American partners have shown us both in the past and recently…absolutely has not convinced us," Mr. Lavrov said.

"There are no facts, there is just dialogue about 'what we know for sure,'" Mr. Lavrov said. "And when we ask for more detailed confirmation, they say, 'You know, it's all secret, so we can't show you.' That means such facts aren't there."

His comments echoed those made Saturday by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who described as "absolute nonsense" the idea that Mr. Assad's troops would wield chemical weapons at a time when they're winning Syria's long-running civil war.

Mr. Lavrov's remarks show the widening rift between the Kremlin and the White House over Syria as Mr. Putin prepares to meet President Barack Obama at the G-20 summit later this week in St. Petersburg, Russia.

The pair's most recent meeting, which took place at the G-8 summit in Enniskillen, Northern Ireland, resulted in an impasse and a subsequent awkward news conference. Mr. Obama later denied having poor relations with Mr. Putin, though he described the Russian president as sometimes looking like "a bored kid in the back of a classroom."

Russia's skepticism about the evidence of Syrian chemical-weapons use also comes as Congress prepares to vote on whether the U.S. should strike Syrian targets in response to a deadly Aug. 21 attack in the Damascus suburbs, which the Obama administration has characterized as a chemical-weapons strike by Mr. Assad's regime.

In an interview Sunday with ABC News, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry described the evidence of chemical-weapons use as clear and powerful, noting that the "case is growing stronger by the day." He hit out at Russia for refusing to admit that Mr. Assad's regime has been using such tactics.

"We've offered the Russians previously to have a briefing on this. In fact, we sent people over to Russia who have provided evidence we had with respect to the last (attacks). And they chose, I literally mean chose, not to believe it or to at least acknowledge it publicly," Mr. Kerry said.

"I think the evidence is going to be overwhelming. If the president of Russia chooses yet again to ignore it, that's his choice," Mr. Kerry said.

On Monday, Mr. Lavrov said it was "strange to hear" such comments coming from his good friend Mr. Kerry.

Mr. Obama was supposed to visit Mr. Putin in Moscow ahead of the G-20 summit this week but backed out of the meeting due to lack what the White House described as a lack of progress on the U.S.-Russian "bilateral agenda." The White House's decision to cancel also came after Russia granted asylum to National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.
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That is what Putin said in press conference 2 days back , When we ask for evidence they say cannot share its top secret and they are not willing to share it with UNSC too for the same reason.
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Bashar Assad loses U.S. friends as Kerry, Hagel and Biden take Bush’s stance on Syria

By Rowan Scarborough

The Washington Times

Sunday, September 1, 2013


The Obama national security team that wants to go to war with Syria and demonizes President Bashar Assad is the same group that, as senators, urged reaching out to the dictator.

As a bloc on the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, President Obama, Secretary of State John F. Kerry, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Vice President Joseph R. Biden all opposed the George W. Bush administration's playing tough with Mr. Assad.

None grew closer to Mr. Assad and promoted him in Washington more than Mr. Kerry.

"President Assad has been very generous with me in terms of the discussions we have had," Mr. Kerry, as a senator from Massachusetts, told an audience at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in March 2011. He predicted that Mr. Assad would change for the better.

But that same month, pro-democracy demonstrations erupted in Syria that would lead to a civil war, unmasking Mr. Assad's brutal tactics, including the Aug. 21 unleashing of nerve gas that killed more than 1,400 civilians.

Today, Mr. Kerry is a leading advocate for attacking Mr. Assad's regime. On Friday, he called the man he once befriended a "thug and murderer."

Mr. Hagel is assembling a small armada in the eastern Mediterranean Sea to launch scores of cruise missiles at the Assad regime as punishment for the gas attack. Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden are lobbying allies and Congress to approve an attack.

The message was different in the mid- and late 2000s, even as Mr. Assad was doing deeds that prompted the Bush administration to label him a "bad actor."

When Mr. Assad succeeded his late father, Hafez, as dictator in July 2000, there was hope in Washington that the young ophthalmologist who was trained in London would shift the country from its brutal ways in neighboring Lebanon and its deep association with Iran and terrorism.

'Constructive behavior'

But in the Bush administration's view, Mr. Assad proved as devious as his father. He increased ties to Hezbollah and Hamas, two U.S.-designated terrorist groups backed by Iran, and grew even closer to Iran, which used Syria to pass rockets to terrorists.

In 2005, the Assad regime rocked Lebanon by playing a role in Hezbollah's assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, who had led an anti-Syrian bloc in Beruit.

By that year, Mr. Assad had begun helping al Qaeda by opening his country to jihadists who passed through the Damascus airport on their way to safe houses and then across the border into Iraq, where they killed U.S. troops.

The Bush administration made repeated demands in Damascus for Mr. Assad to stop the flow of al Qaeda killers but saw no progress.

Noting that behavior, the Bush national security team refused to engage Mr. Assad in peace talks until he changed. That stance riled senators, especially Mr. Kerry, Mr. Hagel and Mr. Biden.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice explained the administration's position on Mr. Assad to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in 2007.

"If there were any evidence, any hint, that Syria was changing its course — and it should just change its course — we don't have an ideological problem with talking to Syria," Ms. Rice testified. "We've talked with them under this administration. We could do it again.

"But the problem is, they are not engaging in constructive behavior. And we don't see how that would change, currently, by talking to them."

Mr. Biden, then the committee's chairman, scolded her and reminded her of her duties.

"I do not agree with your statement, Madame Secretary, that negotiations with Iran and Syria would be extortion, nor did most of the witnesses we heard in this committee during the last month," Mr. Biden said. "The proper term, I believe and they believe, is diplomacy, which is not about paying a price but finding a way to protect our interests without engaging in military conflict. It is, I might add, the fundamental responsibility of the Department of State, to engage in such diplomacy, as you well know."

When it was his turn, committee member Mr. Hagel asked three times why Ms. Rice would not engage in direct talks with Mr. Assad.

"Have you included in those conversations, whether second- or third-party conversations, Iran and Syria?" Mr. Hagel said. "Because I don't know how we could come up with any kind of a plan or focus, working with the United Nations or anyone else, if Iran and Syria are not included in that."

One of Mr. Obama's major foreign policy positions as a senator was unconditional direct talks with the leaders of Iran over its quest for nuclear weapons.

He also favored talks with Mr. Assad. Once in office, Mr. Kerry became his main emissary to Damascus, engaging in talks there in 2009, a month after Mr. Obama took office, and 2010, marking his third and fourth visits as a senator.

A 'reformer'

Before the 2009 visit, the U.S. Embassy in Damascus sent a cable to Mr. Kerry and other senators on the trip.

"You should expect an enthusiastic reception by government officials of the Syrian Arab Republic (SARG) and from the media, who will interpret your presence as a signal that the [U.S. government] is ready for enhanced U.S.-Syrian relations," said the cable, published by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks. "Your visits over the course of February 17-22 form a trifecta that Syrians will spin as evidence of the new Administration's recognition of Syria's regional importance."

At the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in 2011, Mr. Kerry was full of praise for Mr. Assad as the civil war in Syria erupted, and he predicted that the dictator would become a good actor.

"So my judgment is that Syria will move," he said. "Syria will change as it embraces a legitimate relationship with the United States and the West and economic opportunity that comes with it and the participation that comes with it."

That month, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, another alumnus of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, told "Face the Nation" on CBS that lawmakers who had visited Mr. Assad considered him a "reformer." The U.S., she said, did not need to contemplate military action against Syria.

"There's a different leader in Syria now," Mrs. Clinton said. "Many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer."

Conservatives wonder whether Mr. Assad, seeing that those who had scolded the Bush team for not talking to him are now in power, calculated he could put down the unrest in his country without U.S. interference.

"Absolutely," said Michael Rubin, a Middle East researcher at the American Enterprise Institute. "Syria is just one symptom of a greater problem."
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Russia has no plans to expand Mediterranean Fleet - source
Russia's naval force in the Mediterranean Sea will not be expanded despite the worsening situation in the region, said a military-diplomatic source in Moscow on Tuesday.

"There have been no orders to expand anything there, and there will not be. The strength and type of forces that we have in the Mediterranean Sea today are sufficient to keep us fully informed about what is happening",the source said.

He also confirmed local media reports Monday that the electronic intelligence ship Priazovye is being sent to the region, but explained that this is part of regular rotation within Russiaa's Black Sea Fleet.

"Yes, we want to know what is happening in this key region in which Russia has serious interests. We want to see and know what is happening there, what to prepare for in this region," the source added.

He also said Russia's existing flotillas in the Mediterranean Sea are undergoing routine rotations, and stressed "this is a regular rotation process, planned at the start of the year".

"Our military presence in this region predates the Syrian conflict, and will continue after it, and so it would be wrong to draw any connection between the rotation of our ships in the Mediterranean region and events in Syria," the source added.
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2/3rds of Brits are against going to war over Syria or anywhere else in the M-East,as "Crusader" Cameron desperately tries to salvage his shattered reputation by going in for a second vote.DC should gracefully accept the verdict of the Commons,representing the vast majority of the British public and acknowledge the same .The problem is that "Don't be vague,it's William Hague" (sadly not the delightful similar sounding spirit from Scotland ),went overboard in condemning Assad and co.,frothing at the mouth,seated in his saddle with lance in hand. A second disastrous NO if DC embarks upon his "Second Crusade",will kill him off politically once and for all.Unlike O'Bomber,who is in his declining years as pres.Cameron is relatively young,has little competition from opposition leaders and could like Blair win a second and even third term if he plays his cards on the economy right.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 95319.html

Syria crisis: The British public has its say as two-thirds oppose strikes
Exclusive poll for The Independent sends clear message as David Cameron resists pressure for second vote

The Iraq War has turned the British public against any military intervention in the Middle East, according to a ComRes survey for The Independent.

By a margin of two-to-one, the British people oppose President Barack Obama’s plan for military strikes against the Assad regime and say that the UK should keep out of all conflicts in the region for the foreseeable future.

David Cameron and Nick Clegg yesterday rejected growing all-party pressure from MPs and peers for another Commons vote on whether British forces should join air strikes in Syria, only four days after MPs rejected the Prime Minister’s plan to take part.

But Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, said the Government could revisit the question if circumstances changed “very significantly”.

Opinion at Westminster appears to be shifting in favour of action as the Obama administration produces more evidence about the horrific chemical weapons attack on a suburb near Damascus.

But Mr Cameron shows no signs of risking a second humiliating Commons defeat. Labour will not propose a second vote unless there is a “very significant” change, such as al-Qa’ida obtaining chemical weapons in Syria.

The ComRes survey suggests that MPs were right, at least according to public opinion, to veto air strikes by Britain last Thursday.

It found that only 29 per cent of people agree that the US, without Britain, should launch air strikes against the Assad regime to deter it from using chemical weapons in future, while 57 per cent disagree.

Four out of five people (80 per cent) believe that any military strikes against Syria should first be sanctioned by the United Nations, while 15 per cent disagree with this statement.

Asked whether the experience of the 2003 Iraq war means that Britain should keep out of military conflicts in the Middle East for the foreseeable future, 62 per cent agree and 31 per cent disagree.

A majority of supporters of every party agree with this statement, with Labour and UK Independence Party voters more likely to believe Britain should “keep out” than Conservative and Liberal Democrat voters.

Older people are more likely to agree with this principle than younger people. Almost three in four (73 per cent) of those aged 65 and over believe the UK should “keep out”, while among 18 to 34-year-olds, the figure is 57 per cent.

After his Commons rebuff, a majority of people (54 per cent) agree that David Cameron showed he is “out of touch with Britain” in his handling of the Syria crisis, while 34 per cent disagree. Worryingly for the Prime Minister, a third of current Tory supporters (33 per cent) and almost half of voters overall (42 per cent) believe Mr Cameron showed he is out of touch, as do 76 per cent of Ukip supporters.

According to ComRes, Labour’s lead over the Conservatives has risen from three to six points since last month. Labour is unchanged on 37 per cent, the Conservatives on 31 per cent (down three points), the Liberal Democrats on 12 per cent (up two points), Ukip 10 per cent (down two points) and others 10 per cent (up two points).

These figures would give Labour a majority of 78 if repeated at the next general election.

The Liberal Democrats are ahead of Ukip for the first time since last December, as Nigel Farage’s party slips without the publicity it achieved after the May local elections.

As some Labour MPs called for a rethink over British participation in strikes against Syria, Mr Hammond told the Commons it was “a bit rich” for them to do so after voting against military action last week.

Ben Bradshaw, a Labour former Cabinet minister, accused the Government of forcing a rushed decision without presenting the evidence about the chemical weapons attack that was available in Washington.

Andrew Mitchell, the Tory former International Development Secretary, said: “It may be, after lengthy and careful consideration, [the US] Congress affirms its support for the President’s plans and, in the light of that, our Parliament may want to consider this matter further.”

But Mr Cameron’s spokesman said: “Parliament has spoken and that is why the Government has absolutely no plans to go back to Parliament.”

Downing Street indicated that Britain does not expect its military bases – such as RAF Akrotiri on Cyprus, less than 200 miles from Syria – to be used in any air strikes.

Douglas Alexander, the shadow Foreign Secretary, dampened hopes of a re-think by Ed Miliband when he spoke to the Parliamentary Labour Party last night.

ComRes interviewed 1,000 British adults by telephone between 30 August and 1 September. Data were weighted to be representative of all GB adults and by past vote recall. ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... le-targets

Syrian regime continues to redeploy forces away from US missile targets
Syrian rebels despair at US failure to strike at Assad regime as tension mounts in Lebanon and Russian warship heads for Syria
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breaking on cnn:

Russian Defense Ministry detects launch of two 'ballistic objects' towards eastern Mediterranean, Russian media report.

nytimes:
Ballistic Objects Detected by Russia Fell Into Sea: RIA
By REUTERS
Published: September 3, 2013 at 5:43 AM ET

MOSCOW — Two ballistic "objects" that Russia said were launched toward the eastern coast of the Mediterranean on Tuesday fell into the sea, state-run Russian news agency RIA cited a source in Damascus as saying.

(Writing by Steve Gutterman, Editing by Timothy Heritage)
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