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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 17 May 2011 18:19

Mean while at Central Prison Parappana Agrahara, Bengaluru...
Madani's bail pea deferred to August

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sushupti » 18 May 2011 05:56

Court stays arrest of Congress leader

Appearing on behalf of the Congress leader, senior lawyer Shanti Bhushan submitted that the entire matter was aimed “only at harassing the petitioner” and that even if the allegation of fake address was true, “the same could have been mentioned in the FIR dated February 2 itself”.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Karna_A » 18 May 2011 06:44

Dawood's brother attacked in Mumbai:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 399149.cms

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 18 May 2011 12:52

Karna_A wrote:Dawood's brother attacked in Mumbai:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 399149.cms


Work that should have been done by IB is being done by some gangster. IB is busy spying for congress party and tapping opposition leaders phone, poor souls dont have time to eliminate terrorists. Better option would be to disband IB who are a drain on our resources and declare this gang as the new intelligence agency and appoint this gangster as its new chief. At the most he may loot a few crores of public money but atleast he delivers results unlike the IB which eats thousands of crores of public money but has zero results to show for.

IB motto : Paisa janata ka khattein hain par ghulami congress ki kartein hain :mrgreen:

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby shyamd » 18 May 2011 13:10

^^ Couldn't stop myself from replying.

yes they do conduct a lot of political spying. But to say that they have "zero results to show for" is quite frankly unfair and BS.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby somnath » 18 May 2011 13:18

shyamd wrote:yes they do conduct a lot of political spying. But to say that they have "zero results to show for" is quite frankly unfair and BS.

IB has a very very good record in busting terror modules...All successes against Islamist terror modules (arrest of the IM senior leadership in MP a couple of years back for example, or that attack on RSS office in Nagpur), chaps like Kobad Ghandy/Azad - they have all been IB operations...Praveen Swami used to be a good chronicler of IB successes..Its a bit unfortunate that he isnt part of the Indian media anymore...

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 18 May 2011 13:37

^^ The closest to IB in current DDM seems to be Vicky Nanjappa of rediff....Not sure anyone else in MSM has too much inside info on IB these days.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby shyamd » 18 May 2011 14:31

The IB has led a lot of counter terror operations even using Technical means (catching people via the internet), netting that Huji chief in SL was a major cross border operation. Lot of quiet operations in J&K. They have virtually demolished a lot of the terror cells in J&K.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby vbedekar » 18 May 2011 15:20

N.T.Ravindranath is a retired IB officer. He had many lucrative offers after his retirement, but he chose to continue research. He specialises in Separatist and Maoist movements and NGOs, which provide intellectual inputs to these movements on ground and in TV and print media.
His following paper speaks volumes

http://www.satyashodh.com/Anna%20Hazare_NTR_180511.pdf

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 18 May 2011 16:49

shyamd wrote:^^ Couldn't stop myself from replying.

yes they do conduct a lot of political spying. But to say that they have "zero results to show for" is quite frankly unfair and BS.


:rotfl:

Just scroll upwards and go through the success of IB

Islamic Students Congregation and Tablighi Jamaat collaborate with Alqaeda to spread its ideology in India, no arrests are made, no prosecution, no chargesheet, After wikileaks exposed this IB sings we knew it and now all is well http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 201154.cms

IB is tasked to prevent penetration of higher levels of Indian bureaucracy from foreign influence but this exposes it uselessness http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/columnis ... 72377.html
These bureaucrats are nothing but spies who are passing on state secrets and will vanish one day like rajinder singh. If this had happened in some other country such shameless bureaucrats lobbying for foreign powers would have been shot dead in cold blood by their intelligence agency, IB choses to ignore such threats while singing all is well.

In the Ishrat jahan case, it was IB which provided the details of her LeT links and now chooses to distances itself from the case because its master congress party wants to derive political mileage out of it. Shows the complete lack of professionalism among IB.

Its a open secret the activities of american christian fundamentalists [evangelists] involved in 'church planting' and encouraging separatism are meant to breakup India. Inspite of Justice Niyogi commission exposing their criminal deeds, IB wont take effective action to checkmate their activities. Maybe enough officers of IB have been paid off that they choose to ignore the threat to india.

The shining jewel in the crown of successes of IB is the Purulia Arms Drop. Try to airdrop arms & explosives in some other country you are sure to get blown out of the sky or get executed on site if you are successful in parachuting out, but IB being karunamayi agency allows them to escape.

Finally arrest of those small fries that you mention wont hurt the terror groups one bit, those pigs are expendable, in 9 months the sow will give birth to another batch of pigLeTs. Only when IB aims and manages to kill top swines then it can be counted as an achievement.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby somnath » 18 May 2011 17:23

^^^You would do well to dwell on the topic a bit seriously before shooting off the expletives and innuendos..

IB has had a great record in combating India's many mutinies since independence..

1. Mizoram (the only insurgency that required IAF bombing India's own territory at one point)..It is a legendary intel ops, led by the one-and-only Ajit Doval - first breaking the back of the insurgency and then bringing the top leadership into the political mainstream...Mizoram has remained one of the most peacceful NE states since....

2. JKLF and Hizbul Mujahideen...the decimation of the entire top leadership of both groups, forcing the former into donning a "gandhian" mantle, while rendering the latter irrelevant operationally...In between, it was IB that sponsored that short-lived, but promising dialogue of the Hizb (under Abdul Majid Dar - the Kashmir commander) with GOI...The talks failed, primarily on Paki machinations, but in the aftermath the entire Hizb leadership was wiped out, including Dar...Politically, it meant that the kashmiri insurgency could only be run by "foreign" elements of LeT...

3. Punjab...While KPS Gill and the Punjab Police ran the efficient policing CI effort, the elimination of the top militant leadership had major IB hands all along..Current IB chief, Nehchal Sandu had no mean hand to play in that...

There are lots of instances on lslamist terror groups as well - www would give many details....Its useful to have a balanced persspective, expletives are quite easy in any case...

(All my growing-up life I have lived with IB officers as neighbours - didnt see anyone, though its just anecdotal, getting "rich" by other means)...

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 18 May 2011 18:01

^^ commie birather nowhere in my post expletives have been used, you are using a typical commie tactic of accusing someone of wrongdoing and then trying to fire towards them irrelevant facts, so as to crush their original argument without trying to counter it.

Let me repeat my points again.

IB failed to inflitrate and breakup alqaeda affliated ISC

IB failed to prevent infiltration of Indian bureaucracy by foreign agencies, now those shameless babus are supporting pakistani terrorism because america asks them too. This will lead to more attacks and deaths which wont affect the babus and their children since they are safe in their mini-forts and police security. We the common people will die not these traitors.

IB is indirectly supporting LeT by not revealing the full facts of Ishrat jahan case, LeT had honored Ishrat after her killing but now her death is being used for propaganda by stating it as 'hindu india killing innocent muslim'

IB has failed to counter the criminal deeds of evangelists

IB has failed to prevent the Purulia Arms Drop inspite of having foreknowledge of it

Finally birds of a feather flock together and duffers who crow about their failures as success live together. All those insurgencies you mention in Mizoram, Punjab and J&K would not have started if IB has maintained a strict vigil and prevented the influx of weapons into Indian territory. Thousands of lives were lost due to the 'sucess' of IB that you crow about. Even today IB is more interested tapping phones of common people, see the reliance statement which mentions lakhs of phone lines having been placed under surveillance, rather than head hunting terrorists. Now stop blabbering about IB successes, enough for today.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby somnath » 18 May 2011 18:23

^^^Given the fantastic understanding levels about complex political issues that you have shown on various insurgencies, I guess you are a bit incapable of discussions..

As for "expletives", well, maybe in your world these are not considered so..

Maybe enough officers of IB have been paid off that they choose to ignore the threat to india

unlike the IB which eats thousands of crores of public money but has zero results to show for.

IB motto : Paisa janata ka khattein hain par ghulami congress ki kartein hain


Well, a difference in sensibilities I guess....

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby shyamd » 18 May 2011 18:28

raghavendra, can you list successes too? The funny thing is all the points you have listed as failures are big issues in themselves. Its funny how you have generalised them as "failures".

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby JE Menon » 18 May 2011 18:33

Well, only the failures of IB can be highlighted. Its successes tend not to be disclosed. And if the sole measure of success is prevention, then all internal intelligence agencies among the major powers are useless. Things are not so simple and clear-cut.

On the other hand, no harm if non-Indians continue to believe that IB is useless. The trouble is when Indians start thinking exclusively along those lines, without perspective.

>>We the common people will die not these traitors.

The above line is uncalled for. There is no way you can know how many IB employees have died in the line of duty. And "traitors"? There was a period on BRF when this sort of language was used against people who cannot defend themselves here. It is no longer the case. I strongly suggest you desist.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 18 May 2011 18:53

somnath wrote:^^^Given the fantastic understanding levels about complex political issues that you have shown on various insurgencies, I guess you are a bit incapable of discussions..

As for "expletives", well, maybe in your world these are not considered so..

Maybe enough officers of IB have been paid off that they choose to ignore the threat to india

unlike the IB which eats thousands of crores of public money but has zero results to show for.

IB motto : Paisa janata ka khattein hain par ghulami congress ki kartein hain


Well, a difference in sensibilities I guess....


Making well founded accusations of corruption is not expletive, silly commie, dont waste my time if you dont have the courage to defend your point

And commies dont have sense neither sensibilities, running dog is their favorite word, they may forgot their wife's name but wont forgot to use running dog atleast once daily. I dont think your sensibilities would be offended knowing your intellectual level

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby JE Menon » 18 May 2011 18:55

Raghavendra,

The personal attacks must end. This is a caution.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Klaus » 18 May 2011 18:57

Raghavendra, dude you've been skating on thin ice for quite sometime now. Dont get banned is all I've to say.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 18 May 2011 19:00

shyamd wrote:raghavendra, can you list successes too? The funny thing is all the points you have listed as failures are big issues in themselves. Its funny how you have generalised them as "failures".


When IB manages to smash dawood ibrahim terror network I will list it as a success

When IB manages to free itself from congress party slavery I will list it as a success

When IB manages to expose the known linkages between maoists and foreign NGO's I will list it as a success

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Marut » 18 May 2011 19:02

^^^ JEM, you are being too soft IMHO. Some lines should not be crossed at least in BRF.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 18 May 2011 19:10

JE Menon wrote:Well, only the failures of IB can be highlighted. Its successes tend not to be disclosed. And if the sole measure of success is prevention, then all internal intelligence agencies among the major powers are useless. Things are not so simple and clear-cut.


Let me remind you there have been no terrorist attack in US or UK after 9/11 and 7/11 respectively. This speaks volumes about their efficiency, both countries kill terrorists outside their country rather than allow them inside to cause mayhem. The list of terrorist attacks in India which IB has failed to prevent is to long to be listed here.

JE Menon wrote:>>We the common people will die not these traitors.

The above line is uncalled for. There is no way you can know how many IB employees have died in the line of duty. And "traitors"? There was a period on BRF when this sort of language was used against people who cannot defend themselves here. It is no longer the case. I strongly suggest you desist.


I didnt call IB traitors

Traitors are those babus working as american agents and following Keep-Pakistan-Happy policy http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/columnis ... 72377.html

If there is better word to describe their behaviour, please suggest

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby vbedekar » 18 May 2011 22:33

Binayak Sen gets reward for his work. He is appointed as advisor to Planning Commission on health issues. He is on bail and not exonerated yet. Unbelievable speed with which he is rehabilated.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 007261.ece

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby JE Menon » 18 May 2011 23:04

>>IB failed to prevent infiltration of Indian bureaucracy by foreign agencies, now those shameless babus are supporting pakistani terrorism because america asks them too. This will lead to more attacks and deaths which wont affect the babus and their children since they are safe in their mini-forts and police security. We the common people will die not these traitors.

This was the para where you referred to "these traitors". You are obfuscating. And persisting. I recommend you cease this line. Everyone is valued. None is indispensable.

This is your second caution.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby aditya » 20 May 2011 00:26

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 38689.html

After Wazhul Kamar Khan, another fugitive on the Indian list of most-wanted terrorists handed over to Pakistan has been traced to Mumbai.

Feroz Abdul Rashid Khan, listed at number 24 in the list, has been lodged in Mumbai's Arthur Road Jail. This was discovered on Wednesday.


What more to expect when the country's security apparatus is run like your local limited-budget grocery store, as evidenced by the following story from 2005:

Early next morning, UP cops quietly bury terrorists, say bodies of no use

When asked why the bodies were buried in a hurry, SSP Avinash Chander said: ‘‘Where was the haste? We could not have kept the bodies any longer. It was unnecessary. There is so much heat, they would have decomposed. Plus, there is no cold storage at the mortuary here in Faizabad.’’

Couldn’t the bodies have been shifted to King George Medical University in Lucknow? ‘‘What would have come out of it? Body se kya milta?. They were not locals who could have been identified from here. Nothing could be revealed from their clothes.That is why we buried them. It was done according to Muslim rites.’’ The SSP said the photographs of the bodies have been sent to the CID wing of the J&K police. ‘‘They may get identified. Unke paas to puri list rehti hai aise logon ki,’’ he says.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby derkonig » 20 May 2011 23:15

The raging insomniac is back....wonder what kept him awake, may be he feared having to take action against his pyara pakistan...
clicky

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ramana » 21 May 2011 00:02

No one paying attention to the wrong people(two so far out of 50) on wanted lists being submitted by MHA?

What happened to the rigor that PC is supposed to have introduced after MKN was retired out to West Bengal?

Read this news with the wikileaks of the US Amby asking for clear fingerprints and non-smudged documents from India!

I think after 26/11 PC did some shock and awe drama and its business as usual in his dept.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 22 May 2011 23:08

ramana wrote:No one paying attention to the wrong people(two so far out of 50) on wanted lists being submitted by MHA?


The count has risen to 3 and further 2 are suspected to be dead

After my success of IB posts, didnt post in this thread to avoid hellfire missiles from adminullah but replying to one adminullah's post makes it hard for another to use his hellfires :mrgreen:


ramana wrote:Read this news with the wikileaks of the US Amby asking for clear fingerprints and non-smudged documents from India!

I think after 26/11 PC did some shock and awe drama and its business as usual in his dept.


It's back to usual business in MHA and its agencies

Apparently some weapons brought after 26/11 have been rendered useless, as remedial action the agency has filed a case against the person who reported it in the newspaper :mrgreen:

Reading the wikileaks makes one weep about the cluelessness of agencies which allow terrorist spokesperson and their funders to walk free among us, link to one such cable http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2006/05/06NEWDELHI3506.html

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 23 May 2011 21:57

If INC has to admit to a IM being a "possible terroist", the guy must be the real deal:

Indian held in France may have SIMI links

Rashid was arrested by the French police along with six other suspected Islamic militants on May 10 and French authorities suspect that he was recruiting volunteers there for joining a Pakistan-based terrorist outfit, Chidambaram told a mediapersons in New Delhi [ Images ].

"It is reported that Rashid admitted that he was part of a network which is recruiting people for jihad in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region," he said. "Further investigation is underway and we are in close touch with French authorities," he said, adding France [ Images ] is sharing information with India.


Contending that Rashid has been under the radar of Indian intelligence agencies too, Chidambaram said the Mechanical Engineer had reportedly a "militant bent of mind" and had joined a SIMI-affiliated organisation at 21.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ramana » 23 May 2011 22:08

Guess he is in transition stage to rogue element on the periodic table!

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RamaY » 23 May 2011 23:39

Sorry if posted already.

The arms depot at CMP quarters matches with the arms taken after the Maoist ambush that killed 23 jawans and 1 civilians

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby brihaspati » 24 May 2011 04:27

What could be common between Trinamool leader Sadhan Pande, Top Human Rights victim Vinayak Sen, and "Chira Harit" M.J.Akbar?!! :roll: Could they have shared the same "school"?

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Manish Jain » 24 May 2011 16:52

Committee for saving Teesta formed :-)

Teesta Bachao Andolan

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 24 May 2011 18:31

Manish Jain wrote:Committee for saving Teesta formed :-)

Teesta Bachao Andolan


cool, zaheera sheikh should seek the help of these eminent fartists in getting justice. teesta used her as a pawn in her congress funded plan to dislodge gujarat govt, ahmed patel must be sweating to see both his cunning plan and chamcha teesta exposed :mrgreen:

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 25 May 2011 09:48

In lonely Melur house, mother in dark about son’s arrest in Paris http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-lo ... s/795175/0

Trying to find out more about Mohammed Niaz, the Indian held in Paris over suspected links with the al-Qaeda, a team of investigators from central agencies visited a house in Melur near Madurai before daybreak today.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby kenop » 25 May 2011 14:00

Explosion in parking lot of Delhi HC
An explosion occured outside the Delhi high court on Wednesday.

The explosion took place in the court's parking lot. There were no casualties reported. Five fire tenders have been rushed to the spot.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 25 May 2011 14:59

Blast near Delhi high court, no casualties reported

An explosion of low intensity ocurred outside the Delhi high court this afternoon. No casualties have been reported so far. The explosion took place in a plastic bag kept near a silver Ford Figo in the parking lot near gate number seven of the court complex. Dharmendra Kumar, special police commisio
ner, New Delhi, said that the explosion was in a plastic bag kept near the car and that some kind of crude material was found near the car.

The explosion happened at around 1:15pm and triggered panic among people.

Trial run?

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Manish Jain » 25 May 2011 15:03

We all already know this but WKKs and media need some more slaps -

Headley confirms Ishrat as LeT fidayeen

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Raghavendra » 25 May 2011 15:11

More proof of SIMI role in terror http://dailypioneer.com/340838/More-pro ... error.html

May 25, 2011 3:45:30 PM

Pioneer News Service | New Delhi

The Indian national arrested in France last month in connection with suspected Al Qaeda link is a product of the outlawed Students Islamic Movement of India. Mohammad Niaz Abdul Rashid, who hails from Tamil Nadu, joined the SIMI at the age of 21. When he left for France in 2008, he had been on the roll of SIMI for three-four years. The disclosure has confirmed widely held views that the SIMI was actively involved in training militants for carrying out terror attacks.

French media has reported that the intelligence agency was also probing Niaz for his contacts in Pakistan, which he visited often. He was also under probe for his alleged links with Karachi-based anti-Shia terror outfit, Jundullah, which was designated a foreign terror organisation by the US. Niaz’s arrest on May 10 in Paris came in the wake of warning that Al Qaeda could launch retaliatory strike to avenge Osama bin Laden’s death. He was arrested on his return from Algeria.

Niaz is the second Indian national to be arrested on terror charges overseas after Mumbai resident Roshan Jamal Khan, picked up from a Barcelona mosque in 2008 and serving a six-year jail term.

Contending that Rashid has been under the radar of Indian intelligence agencies too, Home Minister P Chidambaram said the mechanical engineer had reportedly a “militant bent of mind” and had joined a SIMI-affiliated organisation at 21. The Home Minister said Rashid hails from Trichy district of Tamil Nadu and “he was radicalised at a very early age and he found his way to France.”

Chidambaram said Rashid is an educated man and believed to be a mechanical engineer, who is acquainted with technology. “It is stated that at the age of 21, he joined a SIMI- affiliated organisation based in Tamil Nadu. He first arrived in France in 2008. He was already a trained activist with a militant bent of mind,” he said.

Chidambaram ruled out any immediate move to seek consular access to Rashid, saying India was awaiting the result of the investigations underway by French authorities.

“It is reported that Rashid admitted that he was part of a network which is recruiting people for jihad in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region. Further investigation is underway and we are in close touch with French authorities,” he said, adding France is sharing information with India.

To a question, he said there is no report yet of Rashid having recruited anyone in India. “He seems to have recruited French nationals of different origins, mostly African origin.”

The Home Minister said in a short span of six months, Rashid has been able to set up a nucleus of like-minded people of jihadis in France. “That consists of four French citizens of Moroccan origin, one French national of Turkish origin, one French national of Pakistan origin and two others,” he said.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 25 May 2011 15:34

Manish Jain wrote:We all already know this but WKKs and media need some more slaps -

Headley confirms Ishrat as LeT fidayeen

Not really helpful since i clearly recall that in debates a year back ( when it was disclosed that IB had tipped off Guj police about Ishrat being LeT), esteemed INC spokesperson(s) were arguing that the matter wasn't about Ishrat being a LeT agent but the important thing was : was a fake encounter correct way even if we knew she was a anti-national? :-?

There is only that much one can do to wake up a person pretending to be asleep.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 25 May 2011 15:48

sum wrote: There is only that much one can do to wake up a person pretending to be asleep.

It becomes a crime when Gujarath Police does take some action. BTW, along with Ishrat was one Javed @ Pranesh Kumar Pillai. He was a Keralite who had been in Maharashtra, who later converted to Islam married a Muslim lady and settled down. When Javed was gunned down vested interests in Kerala had tried to rake up some controversies. All that was silenced quickly when it was proved that Pranesh Kumar Pillai had another passport in his name, and a new one under the name of Javed. Many people dont carry more than one passport for the sake of convenience.


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