Internal Security Watch

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 18 Sep 2012 22:30

D Roy wrote:Yes and let's see what the Abduls got out of it:

1. Assam- Found it difficult to withstand well trained and armed tribal militia. basically exited kokrajhar and tried to raise a stink in Dhubri.

2.Mumbai - 2 dead. More would have died if not for uber sickular top cop. two who desecrated one of India's most sacred places now getting "special treatment" in bade ghar.

3. Western UP - Six killed in Pandu firing. All young males have fled Masuri for the time being fearing they'll be picked up.

4. TN - four arrested and have managed to anger the yindoos in their area.

I am sorry, but none of this is new. It is typical Abdul tactical brilliance and I have grown up seeing this.

Now let me say something which funnily enough will be less palatable to some here than to the RoPers themselves.

The Abduls have been defeated on the subcontinent. Their Ghazi days are long over.

They will soon realize this. Many already have.

But of course some of them have this misplaced notion that creating trouble will get them jobs. It won't.

If they were defeated then why is Kashmir devoid of Hindus?

Why are Assam, WB and Kerala slowly being turned into mini Pakistans?

Winning a battle does not mean you won the war.

This is a lie that Hindus keep telling themselves, Ghazi days were supposed to over with the decline of the Mughals, they were supposed to be over with 1857 and the establishment of the British Raj (yet just 90 years later they managed to get a separate country and wipe out millions of Hindus and Sikhs), they were supposed to be over with 1971 but the Hindu decline continues unabated.

This is a war of babies not a conventional military war and you can only hold the tide back for so long before it overwhelms you.

2 cops are fighting for their lives in Masuri, lakhs worth of property destroyed.

Bodo's hit back using illegal arms BTW so much for Indian gun control, how long can they hold the tide. Remember Nellie, you think the Tiwa's can do anything today in the same area?

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 18 Sep 2012 22:35

haha.

Your response is expected my friend.

But if you think a little differently you will know that your analogy about battle and war is precisely the point.

Give it time. Ghazi shit went on for 800 years. Let's look a little beyond 65 years. Remember they got two stans because of the Anglo- Saxons. One Stan doesn't have nukes one does.

And there is Yindoo resurgence not decline.

Just think for a second what the situation was when Vivekananda boarded that ship for America?

kish · Post by **kish** » 18 Sep 2012 22:37

ramana wrote:
Gus wrote:^ tamil papers have more details and are damning. I encourage everyone to drop english media (print and tv) and go for vernacular which are more to the ground.
Gus, Please give brief description from the Tamil press.
Looks like omerta in English language press!

Appropriate as they are a mafia.

The govt should name the Sri Lankans and the "Boss" for future ref.

Keeping it confidential will enable more of the same.

Unfortunately, tamil papers are tight-lipped on this incident. Apart from one tamil daily (dailythanthi), all others did not report this incident. Even in that daily, the Coimbatore edition reported it without mentioning the names or community involved in it. They (ROP) have created quite a ruckus there, they have also burnt a Vinayaka banner nearby.

Popular tamil dailies:
dinakaran
dinamalar
dinamani
dailythanthi
maalaimalar

http://www.dailythanthi.com/article.asp ... 012&advt=2

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 18 Sep 2012 22:42

D Roy wrote:haha.

Your response is expected my friend.

But if you think a little differently you will know that your analogy about battle and war is precisely the point.

Give it time. Ghazi shit went on for 800 years. Let's look a little beyond 65 years. Remember they got two stans because of the Anglo- Saxons. One Stan doesn't have nukes one does.

And there is Yindoo resurgence not decline.

Just think for a second what the situation was when Vivekananda boarded that ship for America?

If there is "Hindu resurgence" then why are KP's in refugee camps my friend instead of their homes in Kashmir?

Why is Assam BD infested?

Why is the Hindu % of the population in a constant decline in India.

These are valid questions that can't be waved away by pointing to Vivekananda or someone else.

And no they simply didn't get the two stans just because of "Anglo-Saxons", study the issue of demographics and how it affected the course of history. Start with estimates of Muslim population in 1800's, then track their numbers every census from 1871 to 1947 and the writings of Hindu leaders such as Swami Shraddhananda and the views of Ambedkar, Sardar Patel on why Partition was better.

You are welcome to preach about this "alleged resurgence" to the KP's living in refugee camps or the Hindus living in terror in Deganga and all the border districts of WB. I am sure Tapan Ghosh would be happy to host the speech.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Sep 2012 22:44

Surasena and DRoy the discussion should go elsewhere as it borders on philosophy and approaches. Its not germane to thread title of Internal Security.

Thanks, ramana

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Sep 2012 22:45

In Coimbatore, the police will deal with them and it sounds like they already have. They are Pretty efficient. This isn't the only incident there in the last 5 years involving extremism - bombs have been recovered from schools. There was also a terror plot involving a explosion and planned to attack hospital where injured would be taken to. Fortunately, they rounded up the entire cell over night. They were lucky though, as the individual was caught trying to buy AK's. Police battered the 2 and next day morning raids were launched and culprits apprehended.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 18 Sep 2012 22:55

^^ shyamd, What you are saying happened 15 years ago in 1997/1998(bombs recovered from schools etc). The terror plot involving an explosion and hospital attacks did happen in 1998

Ashley Kravitz · Post by **Ashley Kravitz** » 18 Sep 2012 23:25

devesh wrote:Hyderabad is calm. too calm. makes me more than a bit suspicious. this film was a good excuse to get some organizing going in the Ummah in and around Hyd. and there is a significant population concentrated there.

Hyderabad is calm, because the police, under the control of "secular" government, is doing the job for the minority community.

Violence mars ‘Liberation Day’

Police foiled BJP activists' bid to take out a rally towards the police parade grounds in Nizamabad to hoist the tricolour. The main road from NTR chowrasta to Railway Khaman was closed to prevent the T-activists from entering the area. The closure of the road leading to Armoor caused severe inconvenience to commuters.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 440862.cms

Apparently, its considered communal to celebrate Hyderabad State's independence from Nizam's rule.

Here's the "secular" perspective:

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http://www.siasat.com/english/news/those-who-demand-observe-liberation-day-sept-17-are-inhuman

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Sep 2012 23:36

kshatriya wrote:^^ shyamd, What you are saying happened 15 years ago in 1997/1998(bombs recovered from schools etc). The terror plot involving an explosion and hospital attacks did happen in 1998

No 5 years ago. I was there when it happened. The bombs out of school happened in my cousins school and the police passed it off as just a rumour, this was 7 or so years ago. The hospital plot was well reported in TN news, not so well in national papers.

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Sep 2012 23:52

Here's the "secular" perspective:
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http://www.siasat.com/english/news/thos ... re-inhuman

What can one say? Reading the article and the comments on that are enough to show that we allowed tons of snakes to breed in our backyard and the future generations will surely repent it

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 19 Sep 2012 01:02

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Sep 2012 01:56

sum wrote:
Here's the "secular" perspective:
Code:
http://www.siasat.com/english/news/thos ... re-inhuman
What can one say? Reading the article and the comments on that are enough to show that we allowed tons of snakes to breed in our backyard and the future generations will surely repent it

There is a ref to Komaram Bheem in the comments and the article.

Here is link:

Komaram Bheem the film
He is from Adilabad and fought against the Nizam. So the Siasat is mighty upset that a statue is going to be put up on Tank Bund for him.

BTW he is Gond tribal from Adilabad.

In 1985, I became a honorary Gond conferred by a tribal chief in Utnoor, Adilabad.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 19 Sep 2012 02:30

http://newindianexpress.com/states/tami ... 608608.ece

Pakistani ‘spy’ caught in the nick of time

Anzari was introduced to Boss alias Ameer Subbiah Siddique — said to be the person in charge of the Tamil Nadu unit of ISI and working out of the Pakistan consulate in Colombo — in 2011 by a friend in Sri Lanka, to whom he had lamented about losses incurred in onion export. As Ameer promised a huge amount in return for security details in India, especially Tamil Nadu, Anzari returned to India and travelled across the nation, taking photos and videos of places like Defence Services Staff College at Wellington, ports in Vizag, Nagapattinam and Karaikal and coastal security arrangements.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 19 Sep 2012 02:36

No arrests even yesterday. Amma is seriously losing it. Locals are furious. If she shows soft behavior continuously, It will signal the end of her political career.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/che ... epage=true

When chaos, cops ruled the routes

The anti-US protests that continued in the city for the fifth day on Tuesday turned ugly when members of over 20 Islamic organisations clashed with the police on the stretch of Anna Salai between Spencer Plaza and Buhari restaurant.

As a result, traffic moved at a snail’s pace for several hours between Gemini Flyover and Spencer Plaza and also the smaller roads branching out of this stretch; while the movement of vehicles was completely blocked beyond Spencer junction.

Around 2 p.m., a stage was erected next to Tarapore Towers, a little away from Makka Masjid on Anna Salai, and protesters slowly began gathering. The protest that started around 3.30 p.m. saw hundreds of people who burnt US flags and effigies of US President Barack Obama, flung footwear on pictures, raised anti-US slogans and held banners that depicted American leaders in poor light.

Banners with text in Tamil that translated to ‘Prophet is dearer to us than our lives’, were distributed to by-standers who shouted in support. Among the protesters were seven-year-olds, Abbas and Shabbir, both wearing identical sherwanis and carrying posters that said, ‘We hate those who hate prophet’.

Also, part of the protests was a group of school children in white and brown uniforms hauling bags that contained writing pads. “We came straight after writing the science exam,” said Karim, as he tied his shoes with US flags before sprinting off to join a group that was burning effigies of Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Around 5 p.m., when the protesters were done with sloganeering and agitating, organisers announced in the microphones “Veetuku ponga, dhayava seidhu veetuku ponga (Please go home),” and urged them to clear off.

But fifteen minutes later, several youth suddenly turned violent, broke the barricades and began marching towards the US consulate. Police battalion stationed near the Spencer Plaza junction stopped the protesters and did not allow them to proceed further. Then, all of a sudden, there was deafening silence for nearly 15 minutes as protesters performed namaaz on the road.

“Whatever happens, we will ensure that we pray on time, wherever we are,” said a protester. Soon after the prayers, some members of the crowd began throwing stones at the police, which resorted to lathicharge. Several among the protesters sincerely attempted to prevent the mob from resorting to violence. But the situation went out of control.

An angry group set a few motorcycles on fire and damaged an MTC bus. Traffic came to a standstill from Spencer Plaza to Dams Road and Thousands Light for half hour after police lathicharged the protesters. Some protesters and policemen were injured in the clash that ensued. By 6 p.m., the protesters slowly dispersed and traffic returned to normalcy in half hour.

The protesting groups included members of Socialist Democratic Party of India, Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazhagham, India Thowheeth Jamath and Jamath Ulama Sabai. “This is the first time clergies of important mosques in the city are taking part. We are trying our best to make it peaceful,” said Ashraf Jahangir, a protester who tried to calm down those getting violent.

Anticipating a large turnout of protesters, police cordoned off main roads and appointed special teams at several junctions, including Spencer Plaza, LIC building and Royapettah signal, among others. Also, most shops in the area closed down when the situation grew tense.

According to police sources, over 20 Muslim groups obtained police permission for a peaceful protest near Tarapore Towers on Anna Salai.

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Sep 2012 03:15

kshatriya wrote:No arrests even yesterday. Amma is seriously losing it. Locals are furious. If she shows soft behavior continuously, It will signal the end of her political career.

Actually kudos to Amma and I think she is on right track. She should respect the human rights of the protestors and letting them blow some steam out is okay. I think a few broken panes of the american consulate is particularly okay if human rights are maintained. We do not have to fall to the low of Westerns' abuse of human rights in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 19 Sep 2012 03:20

she may want to obtain the excuse of popular backlash to justify any action. There is serious threat of the congrez using all possible tools to protect "mullahcracy" interests, or make a public show of it - which in turn could be seen as important electorally [even if not a real factor anymore].

Its better that politicans remain paralyzed over Islamist violence. The people's mood is a-changing. Islamists are making a big, big tactical mistake. They are killing the very supporters from within the non-Muslim who helped them come so far in their infantile disorder.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Sep 2012 03:23

She needs to keep DMK and MK cornered before she takes any action.
DMK is fanning the LTTE cause.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 19 Sep 2012 03:48

Both of them are "tools" now.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 19 Sep 2012 04:16

^^ Tools of ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Sep 2012 08:43

ramana wrote:DMK is fanning the LTTE cause.

I would say, 'DMK is trying to fan the LTTE cause'.

Nobody among the LTTE-sympathizer group in TN seriously believes the words of the DMK anymore on the LTTE issue. One has to listen to the speeches of Nedumaran or Seeman to understand how much they hate Muthuvel Karunanidhi. He stands isolated even among the pro-LTTE groups.

Ms. JJ, by this time, must have a fairly accurate account of the strength of the Islamist groups who are instigating trouble in the stretch from Tarapore Towers to Anna Flyover. I have a lot of respect for the various intelligence branches of the TN police. Besides, the TMMK is still an alliance party of the AIADMK combination and they organize Islamic events where Ms. JJ participates. TMMK is angry with the DMK and have said that Muthuvel Karunanidhi pretended to be a minority-supporter only to deceive them whereas Ms. JJ at least means business and more dependable. With the deep rut that the DMK is in, especially after the massive defeat in the elections, with many top leaders in jail for land grabbing cases and the deep split within and among the siblings of the wives of Karunanidhi, the TMMK will not go back to DMK in a hurry.

There is no Chanakianness in allowing this violence to continue which holds normal business to ransom by a violent few. Ms. JJ has enough leverages to stop this immediately.

The important stretch of Mount Road cannot be allowed to be blocked by violent mobs every day. The continued violence and the agitation by Muslim mobs has come as a shock to Chennaiites, especially when the rest of the country is not witnessing anything like this.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Sep 2012 08:51

The Commissioner of Police was transferred as ADGP of prisons!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Sep 2012 08:53

Protest turns violent; city police chief transferred

The stretch of Anna Salai from the Mount Road Dargah to Spencer Plaza, was a scene of violence, as the police resorted to lathi- charge to control members of various Islamic organisations who had hurled stones at the police.

On the fifth day of the protest against the American film, over 5,000 people belonging to nearly 25 Islamic organisations gathered near Holy Dargah Hazrath Syed Moosa Sha Khaderi, popularly called Mount Road Dargah

Mohammed Munir, vice-president, India Thowheed Jamaath, said Tuesday’s protest was to show the collective strength of Muslims. {To whom ?} “Muslims across the city came together to show how unfair it is to ridicule the prophet who is dearer than our lives.”

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 19 Sep 2012 08:59

So in a few hours we have the French releasing the Cartoons ! Hope the security establishments are watching keenly

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Sep 2012 09:10

When Chaos, cops ruled the routes in Chennai

Courtesy: The Hindu
There was brief silence when protesters from the various groups offered afternoon namaaz on the road. Photo: R. Ragu

I have never seen anything like this before.

Among the protesters were seven-year-olds, Abbas and Shabbir, both wearing identical sherwanis and carrying posters that said, ‘We hate those who hate prophet’.

Also, part of the protests was a group of school children in white and brown uniforms hauling bags that contained writing pads. “We came straight after writing the science exam,” said Karim, as he tied his shoes with US flags before sprinting off to join a group that was burning effigies of Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Around 5 p.m., when the protesters were done with sloganeering and agitating, organisers announced in the microphones “Veetuku ponga, dhayava seidhu veetuku ponga (Please go home),” and urged them to clear off.

But fifteen minutes later, several youth suddenly turned violent, broke the barricades and began marching towards the US consulate. Police battalion stationed near the Spencer Plaza junction stopped the protesters and did not allow them to proceed further. Then, all of a sudden, there was deafening silence for nearly 15 minutes as protesters performed namaaz on the road.
{Pix above}

“Whatever happens, we will ensure that we pray on time, wherever we are,” said a protester. Soon after the prayers, some members of the crowd began throwing stones at the police, which resorted to lathicharge. Several among the protesters sincerely attempted to prevent the mob from resorting to violence. But the situation went out of control.

An angry group set a few motorcycles on fire and damaged an MTC bus. Traffic came to a standstill from Spencer Plaza to Dams Road and Thousands Light for half hour after police lathicharged the protesters. Some protesters and policemen were injured in the clash that ensued. By 6 p.m., the protesters slowly dispersed and traffic returned to normalcy in half hour.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Sep 2012 10:04

If these citizens feel so strongly about the video, the USA must be asked to shutter the Hyderabad and Chennai consulates until the US puts appropriate legal framework in put in place. I don't see why a law banning the video cannot be passed in the USA like how Rajiv Gandhi passed the Shah Bano law.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 19 Sep 2012 10:48

The police were out yesterday too with that tow truck. I thought protests should have subsided by now. Looks like a failure of command and the transfer is an indication of that.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 19 Sep 2012 11:31

I still can't believe they let anyone hold a protest march on radhakrishnan salai or mt road.Those roads are hell even when there isn't anything holding up traffic except vehicles themselves. Who in their right mind gave approval for protestors I have no idea. And that too during a weekday!

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Sep 2012 12:04

^^ In a way, this seems to be a classic case of tactical brilliance since the IMs are rapidly ensuring that there will be no one to physically protect them when the dam finally bursts with the majority since there are hell bent on alienating every possible section who might give them support when it is really required, right from the aam aadmi to the police.

Chandrasekhar · Post by **Chandrasekhar** » 19 Sep 2012 13:14

Three cops injured in Vadodara as groups clash over Ganesha idol

A police sub-inspector (PSI) and two constables were injured as groups of two communities clashed while installing a Lord Ganesha idol in Panigate area here late on Monday night. However, the pandal organisers alleged that enough police deployment was not made despite their having expressed fear of such an incident before police.

The incident took place near Ekta Bhavan at around 11 pm on Monday when members of Panigate Yuvak Mandal (PYM) came under stone-pelting from a group of other community while they were unloading the Ganesha idol from a truck near a pandal. This incensed the members of PYM and they retaliated. Soon, mobs of two communities came out on the street and started throwing stones at each other. A group vandalised a few autorickshaws and trucks parked on the street.

The clashes started despite a few policemen accompanying the procession. However, additional personnel of Panigate police rushed to the spot to control the mobs. But they too came under stone pelting. PSI A J Achauhan and two constables were hit by stones and sustained minor injuries.

City police commissioner Satish Sharma and other officials drove to Ekata Bhavan to control the situation. After around half an hour, police managed to disperse the rioting mobs.

“As we chased on group, the other would come out and when we chased the latter, the first would be on street. However, finally we managed to disperse them,” Panigate police inspector A L Chaudhary said on Tuesday, adding one person was arrested in connection with the incident.

Though police denied they had resorted to lathicharge, eye witnesses claimed police had used force to bring the situation under control.

Though members of PYM alleged that police had not made enough security arrangement.

“We had informed police in advance that such an incident was feared but they did not deploy enough policemen. On top of this, street-lights in the area were off,” said a member of PYM.

However, Commissioner Satish Sharma said police were fully prepared for the festival. “We have received additional two companies of SRPF. We have also given additional manpower from headquarters to various police stations. Officials have been asked to be on duty during evening during the festival,” he said.

On the basis of a complaint by ASI Chauhan, Panigate have lodged a case of rioting against mobs.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/three ... /1004739/0

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Sep 2012 14:42

Deradicalization drive in the works

Bharti Jain, TNN | Sep 19, 2012, 03.50AM IST
Article

NEW DELHI: Taking a leaf from the US, the UK and Saudi Arabia, which are pursuing de-radicalization programmes to disengage indoctrinated elements from violence, India is discussing a similar effort to wean away "identified" radicals from extremist ideology. The initiative proposes to track preachers of radical doctrine as well as "radicalized" terror accused or convicts who have either been acquitted for want of evidence or have already served their prison term.

To be pursued in secrecy, the de-radicalization effort will involve identifying those dispensing ideology of violent extremism and neutralizing the same with moderate interpretations of religion.

Besides, the effort will also be aimed at prisoners with a known history of indoctrination in fundamentalist religious ideology.

According to intelligence sources, many such radicalized prisoners get off with a lighter sentence due to inadequate evidence or limited extent of their involvement in a terror-related offence. Yet, their radical ideology remains intact even upon their release, and the risk of their taking to terror is high.

Under the de-radicalization initiative conceptualized by the security establishment, those preaching radical doctrine would be monitored and their pupils engaged in moderate interpretations of religion to neutralize the effect of such teachings. As for the "radicalized" prisoners, the proposal is to counsel them closer to the release and after they are released with the help of trusted community leaders, NGOs and psychoanalysts.

The case history of the "radicalized" element will be looked into, including the circumstances that could have drawn him to extremist ideology. Emphasis will be laid to bust the religious myths that caused such persons to feel alienated or disempowered, while offering them incentives for rehabilitation and reintegration into society.

The idea is to make them feel valued. At the same time, community leaders and NGOs may try to involve their families in the de-radicalization efforts, so that the radical elements can be monitored on a daily basis and their families feel responsible for keeping them away from exploitation by violent extremist groups.

Though there could be issues over acceptance of the post-release intervention by the state to disengage a person from violence based on extremist religious beliefs, the agencies feel that even a few cases of voluntary counseling may go a long way in tacking radicalization.

The involvement of "moderate" community leaders and academics in counseling the radicalized youth is expected to minimize resistance from the target group.

As radicalization of educated professionals — like the recent arrests of a doctor, engineer, MBA graduate and a journalist in a terror plot foiled by the Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka Police — becomes a point of concern within the security establishment, the government has stepped up efforts at counter-radicalization and de-radicalization on the lines of the programmes being run in the West as well as Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia.

While counter-radicalization involves reaching out to vulnerable sections through an updated educational curriculum and incentives to take away their feeling of alienation, de-radicalization specifically aims at disengagement of the already radicalized elements from violent extremism. Counter-radicalization drive will be coordinated by ministries like HRD and minority affairs, even as MHA covertly pursues the programme.

The UK de-radicalization programme is aimed not only at radicalized elements but also at vulnerable sections. The US has also been pursuing de-radicalization of terror prisoners, and had taken the help of Saudi Arabia in de-radicalizing Guantanamo Bay detainees by having them transferred to rehabilitation facilities in the Persian Gulf nation.

Saudi Arabia started its de-radicalization programme in 2004, focusing on religious re-education and psychological counseling of terror suspects and convicts to educate, monitor and reintegrate radical elements into society.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 19 Sep 2012 15:52

shyamd wrote:Deradicalization drive in the works
..

So more funds & care for those who can be 'radicalized' in the name of religion? A few who could 'radicalize' would be treated as 'kept under watch', while funds will be spent so those who are 'radicalized' to 'de-radicalize' & not go violent & kill some non-believers or not-as-pure and damage/molest/loot/pillage/burn/etc because a few 'kept under watch' did manage to 'radicalize'.

Where did I read anything like that before?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Sep 2012 16:07

Recognition that prison sentences don't work and they need a new strategy to tackle it

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Sep 2012 16:26

vera_k wrote:If these citizens feel so strongly about the video, the USA must be asked to shutter the Hyderabad and Chennai consulates until the US puts appropriate legal framework in put in place. I don't see why a law banning the video cannot be passed in the USA like how Rajiv Gandhi passed the Shah Bano law.

This is first rate secular BS.

Why should USA ban a video because some inbred citizens of India are upset about it?

It is a fight between Indian citizens and GoI. Do the minority Indian citizens have a right to go on rampage and destroy public property in India for something happened in USA and that too when it had nothing to do with India?

Secondly isn't it the GoI responsibility to protect its majority citizens from this nonsense?

The Indian Muslims (and christians) are testing the limits of Indian secularism. Since they got so much undue advantage from it all these days now they are trying to alter Indian communication, law-and-order and foreign affairs of India. Tomorrow it will extend to Defense sector too.

Where are our resident dhimmis who proclaimed secularism before? What is their answer to this nonsense?

Do they think Indian secularism demands that the minorities have a right to influence such areas as foreign policy, law and order and even nuclear policy?

The long term questions are -
Does GoI have a role in protecting Muslim interests say if a country invades a Muslim country and Indian Muslims demand that? Would Indian Muslims have a say in India's nuclear policy if it demands, say to nuke Israel?

I blogged about this possibility in May - http://bharata-bhuti.blogspot.com/2012/ ... arats.html

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 19 Sep 2012 16:28

vera_k wrote:If these citizens feel so strongly about the video, the USA must be asked to shutter the Hyderabad and Chennai consulates until the US puts appropriate legal framework in put in place. I don't see why a law banning the video cannot be passed in the USA like how Rajiv Gandhi passed the Shah Bano law.

Because India and its gov't can't control its resident Ghazi's, you want the US to follow in our dhimmi footsteps?

As if that's going to satisfy these scum, tomorrow they will riot and kill over some other issue. What then?

BTW most of what's in that poorly made movie is based on what Orthodox Islamic sources say, if Muslims are offended they should burn those first starting with the Quran.

If a non Muslim finds the Quran to be offensive and full of hate speech instigating violence against people like him and starts killing Muslims, will people suggest that he be imprisoned or that the Quran be banned?

http://centreright.in/2012/09/innocence ... ntroversy/

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Sep 2012 16:32

shyamd wrote:Recognition that prison sentences don't work and they need a new strategy to tackle it

Well, the humanity has been trying this puppy zhuppy for more than 1300 years. Only idiots believe that this persuasion works.

Why it won't work?

1. Like terrorism, all it takes is one unsoftened Abdul to start this. Please note that most of the time the majority of the people that go on rioting are not fanatics on a regular basis. The state has to be successful all the time with all the fanatics. The fanatic has to be successful only once.

2. One can always argue that the secular or worse infidel interpretations cannot be respected and it would be blasphemy to do so, and all the Munafiqs are dead in the hands of the very common Abduls.

3. If KSA (the root of the problem) can come up with softer interpretations (which is stupid for a kafir to believe it is possible) why not change Quran itself? Why leaving the option to misinterpret in future?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Sep 2012 16:51

"deradicalization drive"....that itself had me laughing

then they had to go and say it would be done in "secret". of course it would be secret. what with the national security risking collapse if these supposed techniques of "deradicalization" were to come out....this is first rate BS peddling. but then I guess we should trust the wisdom and superior intellect of our super spies and policy wonks...

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 19 Sep 2012 17:04

This is what some educated IM's are celebrating and worrying about:

Link to the lady's profile:

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New Delhi

https://twitter.com/faiezakhan

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@Ibnebattuta Shame on us ! If usa could hang saddam I should be allowed to hang the director
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16 Sep IbneBattuta ‏@Ibnebattuta
@faiezakhan agree

https://twitter.com/faiezakhan/status/2 ... 2510861312

Same lady is lecturing Hindus on "communalism" on twitter, a non hijabi educated woman to boot.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Sep 2012 19:41

RamaY wrote:This is first rate secular BS.

Why should USA ban a video because some inbred citizens of India are upset about it?

It is a fight between Indian citizens and GoI.

It's hardly between Indians and GoI, and clearly the US consulate is thus being targeted. So it's a cheap and more importantly the logical way for GoI to defuse the situation. Even if the video is not banned, it can be placed on the export control list. That would require it to be taken down from Google unless Youtube can guarantee that it can restrict availability to US citizens and residents.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 19 Sep 2012 19:58

Youtube has restricted the viewing of the video.Its not available in India among many other countries.

I hope against hope that somehow the video goes viral in pakhanastan.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 19 Sep 2012 20:14

A little offtrack- but one notices far too many news stories in the Indian media, particularly TOI, about murders and other crimes taking place. Hardly a day goes by without a story like "Jilted man kills lover, self", "Boy whose advances were rejected kills girl, family, self", "Man killed for IPhone on train" "Woman repeatedly raped" "Students kidnap fellow student, then kill him when ransom not paid" "Teacher's beating causes death of youth" "Principal accused of assaulting girl", "Girl forced to drink urine after bed wetting" "Doctor stabbed by colleague in Orissa" etc. This list is just illustrative.

A little too much. The only mitigating factor would be that India is a country of 1.2 billion people with all kinds of characters at different levels of emotional, economic and intellectual development.

Still, it's awful, and doesn't reflect well on Indians.