Internal Security Watch

[Surya]

old interview of Afzal

flabbergasted that after this HR retards have questions

it is a very detailed interview - people who are good at collecting and saving this for the future should do so

still I would have tried to turn him - he is more straightforward then all the Hurirats , geelani, and Omar and other assorted skunks from the Valley




http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/moha ... 49612.html

[Arav]

What does everyone's conscience-keeper Arun Dratit Roy have to say about this hanging?

A perfect day for democracy Arundhati Roy

Wasn’t it? Yesterday I mean. Spring announced itself in Delhi. The sun was out, and the Law took its Course. Just before breakfast, Afzal Guru, prime accused in the 2001 Parliament Attack was secretly hanged, and his body was interred in Tihar Jail. Was he buried next to Maqbool Butt? (The other Kashmiri who was hanged in Tihar in 1984. Kashmiris will mark that anniversary tomorrow.) Afzal’s wife and son were not informed. “The Authorities intimated the family through Speed Post and Registered Post,” the Home Secretary told the press, “the Director General of J&K Police has been told to check whether they got it or not.” No big deal, they’re only the family of a Kashmiri terrorist.

In a moment of rare unity the Nation, or at least its major political parties, the Congress, the BJP and the CPM came together as one (barring a few squabbles about ‘delay’ and ‘timing’) to celebrate the triumph of the Rule of Law. The Conscience of the Nation, which broadcasts live from TV studios these days, unleashed its collective intellect on us — the usual cocktail of papal passion and a delicate grip on facts. Even though the man was dead and gone, like cowards that hunt in packs, they seemed to need each other to keep their courage up. Perhaps because deep inside themselves they know that they all colluded to do something terribly wrong.

What are the facts?

On the 13th of December 2001 five armed men drove through the gates of the Parliament House in a white Ambassador fitted out with an Improvised Explosive Device. When they were challenged they jumped out of the car and opened fire. They killed eight security personnel and a gardener. In the gun battle that followed, all five attackers were killed. In one of the many versions of confessions he made in police custody, Afzal Guru identified the men as Mohammed, Rana, Raja, Hamza and Haider. That’s all we know about them even today. L.K. Advani, the then Home Minister, said they ‘looked like Pakistanis.’ (He should know what Pakistanis look like right? Being a Sindhi himself.) Based only on Afzal’s confession (which the Supreme Court subsequently set aside citing ‘lapses’ and ‘violations of procedural safeguards’) the Government of India recalled its Ambassador from Pakistan and mobilised half a million soldiers to the Pakistan border. There was talk of nuclear war. Foreign embassies issued Travel Advisories and evacuated their staff from Delhi. The standoff lasted for months and cost India thousands of crores.

On the 14th of December 2001 the Delhi Police Special Cell claimed it had cracked the case. On the 15th of December it arrested the ‘master mind’ Professor S.A.R Geelani in Delhi and Showkat Guru and Afzal Guru in a fruit market in Srinagar. Subsequently they arrested Afsan Guru, Showkat’s wife. The media enthusiastically disseminated the Special Cell’s version. These were some of the headlines: ‘DU Lecturer was Terror Plan Hub’, ‘Varsity Don Guided Fidayeen’, ‘Don Lectured on Terror in Free Time.’ Zee TV broadcast a ‘docudrama’ called December 13th , a recreation that claimed to be the ‘Truth Based on the Police Charge Sheet.’ (If the police version is the truth, then why have courts?) Then Prime Minister Vajpayee and L.K. Advani publicly appreciated the film. The Supreme Court refused to stay the screening saying that the media would not influence judges. The film was broadcast only a few days before the fast track court sentenced Afzal, Showkat and Geelani to death. Subsequently the High Court acquitted the ‘mastermind’, Professor S.A.R Geelani, and Afsan Guru. The Supreme Court upheld the acquittal. But in its 5th August 2005 judgment it gave Mohammed Afzal three life sentences and a double death sentence.

Contrary to the lies that have been put about by some senior journalists who would have known better, Afzal Guru was not one of “the terrorists who stormed Parliament House on December 13th 2001” nor was he among those who “opened fire on security personnel, apparently killing three of the six who died.” (That was the BJP Rajya Sabha MP, Chandan Mitra, in The Pioneer, October 7th 2006). Even the police charge sheet does not accuse him of that. The Supreme Court judgment says the evidence is circumstantial: “As is the case with most conspiracies, there is and could be no direct evidence amounting to criminal conspiracy.” But then it goes on to say: “The incident, which resulted in heavy casualties had shaken the entire nation, and the collective conscience of society will only be satisfied if capital punishment is awarded to the offender.”

Who crafted our collective conscience on the Parliament Attack case? Could it have been the facts we gleaned from the papers? The films we saw on TV?

There are those who will argue that the very fact that the courts acquitted S.A.R Geelani and convicted Afzal proves that the trial was free and fair. Was it?

The trial in the fast-track court began in May 2002. The world was still convulsed by post 9/11 frenzy. The US government was gloating prematurely over its ‘victory’ in Afghanistan. The Gujarat pogrom was ongoing. And in the Parliament Attack case, the Law was indeed taking its own course. At the most crucial stage of a criminal case, when evidence is presented, when witnesses are cross-examined, when the foundations of the argument are laid — in the High Court and the Supreme Court you can only argue points of law, you cannot introduce new evidence — Afzal Guru, locked in a high security solitary cell, had no lawyer. The court-appointed junior lawyer did not visit his client even once in jail, he did not summon any witnesses in Afzal’s defence and did not cross examine the prosecution witnesses. The judge expressed his inability to do anything about the situation.

Even still, from the word go, the case fell apart. A few examples out of many:

How did the police get to Afzal? They said that S.A.R Geelani led them to him. But the court records show that the message to arrest Afzal went out before they picked up Geelani. The High Court called this a ‘material contradiction’ but left it at that.

The two most incriminating pieces of evidence against Afzal were a cellphone and a laptop confiscated at the time of arrest. The Arrest Memos were signed by Bismillah, Geelani’s brother, in Delhi. The Seizure Memos were signed by two men of the J&K Police, one of them an old tormentor from Afzal’s past as a surrendered ‘militant’. The computer and cellphone were not sealed, as evidence is required to be. During the trial it emerged that the hard disc of the laptop had been accessed after the arrest. It only contained the fake home ministry passes and the fake identity cards that the terrorists used to access Parliament. And a Zee TV video clip of Parliament House. So according to the police, Afzal had deleted all the information except the most incriminating bits, and he was speeding off to hand it over to Ghazi Baba, who the charge sheet described as the Chief of Operations.

A witness for the prosecution, Kamal Kishore, identified Afzal and told the court he had sold him the crucial SIM card that connected all the accused in the case to each other on the 4th of December 2001. But the prosecution’s own call records showed that the SIM was actually operational from November 6th 2001.

It goes on and on, this pile up of lies and fabricated evidence. The courts note them, but for their pains the police get no more than a gentle rap on their knuckles. Nothing more.

Then there’s the back story. Like most surrendered militants Afzal was easy meat in Kashmir — a victim of torture, blackmail, extortion. In the larger scheme of things he was a nobody. Anyone who was really interested in solving the mystery of the Parliament Attack would have followed the dense trail of evidence that was on offer. No one did, thereby ensuring that the real authors of conspiracy will remain unidentified and uninvestigated.

But now that Afzal Guru has been hanged, I hope our collective conscience has been satisfied. Or is our cup of blood still only half full?

[abhishek_sharma]

^^ Similar pro-Afzal Guru arguments have been posted by p-sec individuals on Facebook.

[vishvak]

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/afzal ... 130209.htm

Afzal Guru's hanging: Move on, and make India terror-free

Author Arundhati Roy wrote a long essay in a popular news magazine defending Afzal Guru ...

[chaanakya]

So what happened to whose bast*rds in MHA who used to speak of a queue system for death penalty awardees?

Wasnt that lying to Indina public?

I can understand a political person making such a statement but IAS officers making such political statements!
One visit of NaMo and Lanka dhana has started.

If MOdi gets elected Pm you can see all those rascals going back to the state govts or retiring without paying the price.

It was AttireMaster and Dossiermaster who were being smart aleck. Queue idea was given by them.

Also some are making much of family not being informed before hanging. Sending info by Post is a legal and valid method. Govt is under no obligation to send info by any other means.

Regarding handing over of the body, it is gfor the administration to decide how to dispose ( with due religious rituals) or whether to hand over to family. In terrorist cases or if Govt decides , it need not hand over the body which is legally Govt property.Sentiments notwithstanding.

There is every possibility of Terrorist sympathisers trying to use body for nefarious end and inflame sentiments.

[IndraD]

there is good chance that Rajiv killers would be hanged now, being Hindu they will make equal equal

[Muppalla]

The role of Pranab Mukherjee in Afzal Guru’s hanging

Sources close to Mr. Mukherjee take a more nuanced view of his rejection of these two mercy petitions: they say he viewed the two cases differently — while he felt that there were no two views on Kasab’s guilt, he was aware that in Afzal Guru’s case, there had always been a question mark on the extent of his involvement in the attack on Parliament — and made that distinction in private conversations after the execution of the 26/11 accused last November. However, these sources added, Mr. Mukherjee also believed that the attack on Parliament was an attack on Indian democracy and a message needed to be sent out that such assaults would not be tolerated.

Though Afzal Guru’s mercy petition file came to Rashtrapati Bhavan on August 4, 2011 (when Ms. Patil was in office), Mr. Mukherjee, after taking charge, sent the file back on November 15, 2012 to the Home Ministry for a fresh look. The Home Ministry returned the file to the President on January 23 this year, and he sent it back, rejecting the petition, on February 3, paving the way for Saturday’s execution.

In short, Mr. Mukherjee did send back the file for reconsideration once. However, he could have sat on the file — as there is no time limit for the President to take a decision.

[ramana]

So now Islamist N Christianist (INC) party is blaming the President Mukherjee for what they should have done since 2004 after forming the UPA.

Attiremaster is the MHA from Maharastra forced to resign after Mumbai 26/11 attac?

Dossiermaster is the P. Chidambaram who is dreaming of becoming PM by presenting dream budgets!

[Muppalla]

So now Islamist N Christianist (INC) party is blaming the President Mukherjee for what they should have done since 2004 after forming the UPA.

Attiremaster is the MHA from Maharastra forced to resign after Mumbai 26/11 attac?

Dossiermaster is the P. Chidambaram who is dreaming of becoming PM by presenting dream budgets!

He may have the dubious distinction of highest numbers of times that a fin min had cut defense budgets.

[abhishek_sharma]

From Indian Express

[ramana]

He may have the dubious distinction of highest numbers of times that a fin min had cut defense budgets.

That could be his badge of honor among the WKKs and their ilk.

[abhishek_sharma]

Afzal Guru hanged, buried in Tihar

At 6 am, jail staff found him awake, and waiting

‘They claim to be a democracy... They don’t even have the courage to give us his body’

Why Afzal was hanged at 8 am, Kasab half an hour earlier

Afzal Guru hanging: JKLF chief Yasin Malik on 24-hour hunger strike in Pak

Amnesty slams ‘secret hanging’

Another Tihar hanging after 29 yrs, Valley faces uncertainty

The legal journey of Afzal Guru

‘Short of participating in the actual attack, he did everything...’

Judge who gave death questions delay

Hanging a milestone say some Muslim groups, others disagree

[SBajwa]

What happened to Masood Azhar? The original terrorists who created the Jem group? where is he these days!!

Security forces must watch out for him! he has been lying low for too long now.

How about Shaukat Hussain Guru., his 10 year sentence must be close to ending.

[ramana]

Massod Azhar is in TSP having been freed from Indian jail in exchange for releasing the hostages of IC 814 Kandahar hijack. He went on to found a TSP sarkari terrorist outfit called JeM. He changed the name to some other three letter outfit to aoid US sanctions.


How come Kashmiri terrorists call themselves guru? Is it acceptable?

[sum]

What happened to Masood Azhar? The original terrorists who created the Jem group? where is he these days!!

Security forces must watch out for him! he has been lying low for too long now.

Jaish may exploit sympathy

Jaish-e-Mohammad terror outfit was instrumental in carrying fidayeen attacks in Kashmir.

Jaish was formed by Moulana Masood Azhar in March 2000 from after a split within Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM), shortly after his December 1999 release from prision in exchange of passengers of Indian Airlines flight IC 814 which was hijacked and was taken to Kandhar.

Majority of fidayeen attacks in Kashmir were carried out by the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), while remainder were the work of the Jaish. Less than two and half months before the fidayeen attack on Parliament, one of the deadliest fidayeen attacks carried on the Jammu and Kashmir State Legislative Assembly, using a car bomb on 1 October 2001 was handiwork of Jaish. More than 40 people were killed and many more injured in that incident.

However, the graph of Jaish went down after 2004 when Pakistani establishment started a crackdown after it carried an abortive bid to assassinate then Pakistan president and military dictator General Parvez Musharaf. Its Kashmir chief and mastermind of Parliament attack Ghazi Baba was killed in an encounter with the Border Security Force (BSF) in Srinagar on August 30, 2003.

However, of late Haqqani network of Taliban has motivated ISI to reactivate Jaish,” a senior intelligence officer wishing anonymity told Deccan Herald.

“Intercepts available with security agencies have revealed that the ISI and Jaish have reached to an agreement that Jaish will operate in Kashmir only and won’t carry any attacks on Pakistani soil,” he said and added while world attention has been focused on the menace of the Taliban in the northwest of Pakistan, Jaish bases in southern Punjab have gone largely unnoticed.

Police sources revealed that there were evidences on ground that Jaish and LeT were planning to operate jointly and share their resources to revive the lethal phase of militancy in Kashmir.

[chaanakya]

So now Islamist N Christianist (INC) party is blaming the President Mukherjee for what they should have done since 2004 after forming the UPA.

Attiremaster is the MHA from Maharastra forced to resign after Mumbai 26/11 attac?

Dossiermaster is the P. Chidambaram who is dreaming of becoming PM by presenting dream budgets!

Yes.

Largest cut made to defense budget by him. he says money has to be there to give. He forgets NAREGA and Loan waiver schemes which has sunk billions without much result except getting them UPA2. We might be facing 62 once again if neglected. We need them to be ready , not necessarily fighting.

On different note , and may be OT but still...

Seems NDTV has caught the bug of Sympathy for terrorists rights. They fitfully forget the rights of all those who these terrorists killed or helped to Kill.

On Victims rights

Time has come to assert the rights of the victims first before talking about perpetrators right. I think in Jail manual changes should be made to make the participation of victim or his / her legal heir or close kith and kin or representatives in deciding release on parole/furlough /leave or remission or premature release or commutation of sentence or even pardon.

Criminals and terrorists , who commit heinous crimes , his/her property should be confiscated and handed over to the fund for compensating victims of crimes. Fines charged on criminals for their crimes should be similarly used.

On Criminals rights

As for rehabilitation of criminals ,a fair assessment should be made and all such criminals should be provided support to restart their life afresh. Skill Training, education, jobs and loans as needed should be given but only for those who show remorse and will to reform.

[chaanakya]

Crack cops didn't live to see the end of their prized catch

Afjal wasnt innocent as some might have doubted. His ndtv interview was quite chilling. Money and paki inspiration

But on another note one needs to find out how Delhi
police ATS was neutralised with doggy raja baying for their blood in the aftermath of batla house encounter. No one wants to risk it now. Same is with Mumbai police after 26/11. It takes a lot of time work and building network of intelligence and team of operatives to achieve what these two gentlemen did in ATS. Now that is a much feared career killing post nobody wants and only those get it who are out of good books.

Congis cant take credit for these gentlemens work. They are scampering to put blame on Pranab da and trying to stop exodus of rop voters. Afterall some remarked that RJB demolition took place under congis charge only.

Other thoughts..

Ship is sinking and soon it would be time for rats to jump first. Watch out for them. DMK would be first one if RG killers are also hanged. If DMK stays then AIA would get advantage.

NEW DELHI: Two Delhi Police special cell officers ACP Rajbir Singh and inspector Mohan Chand Sharma, credited with cracking the 2001 Parliament attack case, are no more.


A property dealer shot dead Singh, known as an encounter specialist, at Gurgaon in 2008. Sharma took a bullet hit that proved fatal in the Batla House encounter the same year.

Assigned to crack the Parliament attack case, they got their first break early when they checked the pockets of the slain terrorists and found slips with mobile numbers scribbled on them. These led Singh and Sharma to two first-floor Mukharjee Nagar flats: numbers 535 and 1021.The officers immediately mounted surveillance on these houses. By then, they were sure the terrorists had local support.

The first flat belonged to Syed Abdul Rehman Gilani, lecturer of Arabic in Zakir Hussain College. Subsequently, Gilani was convicted for planning the strike, but later acquitted. The second belonged to Navjot Sandhu, alias Afsan Guru, wife of Afzal Guru's co-accused, Shaukat Guru, who was also convicted.

Two days after the attack, on December 15, 2001, a Special Cell team was at Afsan's flat and spent hours questioning her. She was aware of the brazen plan to attack Parliament.
Need to watch her
She disclosed that after the terror attack, Shaukat and Afzal had left Delhi for Srinagar on a truck, HR-38-E-6733. They were headed for the Sringar fruit market. Intelligence officials in the J&K capital were tipped %off and a Special Cell team rushed to the city. Afzal and Shaukat, two drivers and a helper were caught. A laptop and Rs 10 lakh were recovered from them.

Over the next week or so, 30 kgs of ammonium nitrate, 2kgs sulphur, 4kgs silver powder, 3 electronic detonators, 4 pressure detonators, 3 electronic detonators with wires, prepared explosive and Delhi maps were recovered from hideouts. Afzal worked under directions from Ghazi Baba, alias Doctor, supreme commander of Jaish-e-Mohammad. He was also in touch with Tariq, a Srinagar-based operative of the terror group. Ghazi Baba had sent five Pakistani fidayeen attackers to Delhi and Afzal's cousin Shaukat had arranged a safe house for them in Delhi's Gandhi Vihar.

Afzal had bought a black motorbike to conduct reccees of Parliament from Karol Bagh dealer for Rs 20,000. They made repeated rounds of Parliament. They bought mobile phones, SIM cards, cargo trousers, T-shirts, jackets and pairs of shoes from the Tibetan market in Civil Lines and knapsacks from Chandni Chowk. They also bought three police uniforms from Kingsway Camp. They got fake ID cards and parking stickers to enter the parliament complex. On December 11, 2001, they bought a white Amabassdor car from Karol Bagh and fitted it with tinted glasses and a red beacon.

On December 13, Afzal Guru, Shaukat and Gilani (now acquitted) and the five attackers, Mohammad (who lead the team of five), Raja, Haider, Rana and Hamza met in Gandhi Vihar. Mohammad handed over a laptop and Rs 10 lakh to Afzal with directions to keep the money and asked Afzal to return the laptop to Ghazi Baba. Then, the heavily armed militants left for parliament.

[vijayk]

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283853
ARGET SIACHEN
A Glacial Intent
Gen Aziz’s expose ensures one thing: no troop-free Siachen
PRANAY SHARMA

But recent revelations by a retired Pakistani top general, backroom negotiations between opinion-makers of the two sides and last month’s tension along the Line of Control show that the political and military establishments in neither India nor Pakistan have been able to fully exorcise the ghosts of Kargil even after 14 years. One reason for this is that the nub of the problem, which prompted the Kargil operation, stays with us as a live issue: the Siachen glacier.

‘Operation Badr’—as Pervez Musharraf, who was then the army chief of Pakistan, had codenamed the Kargil operation—was aimed at severing India’s supply lines to Siachen and force it to vacate the glacier and enter into negotiations with Pakistan on the fate of Kashmir.

The revelations of Lt Gen Shahid Aziz (see interview) show how close Pakistan had come to meeting its objective by stealthily sneaking in its soldiers inside the Indian territory in the garb of Afghan and Kashmiri mujahideen and how the Indians were caught napping before getting into rearguard action to throw out the infiltrators.

Much of what Aziz said is already known to us. But still a disclosure by someone of his rank is definitely significant.”Lt Gen (Retd) V.R. Raghavan, Centre For Security Analysis

Since 1984, when India launched its Operation Meghdoot to beat the Pakistani army in taking control of the 70-km-long Siachen glacier and the important tributary glaciers in the area, Pakistan has made several attempts to dislodge Indian troops from their vantage position. Indian strategic planners maintain that its position on the glacier gives it the advantage of straddling Pakistan on the one side and China on the other. Any attempts to withdraw its troops from the glacial heights, described by many as the highest battleground in the world, could deprive India of a locational advantage, beyond the symbolism of ownership. Forfeiting it, according to this view, would detract from India’s legal claim on Jammu and Kashmir and allow Pakistan to dictate the pace of negotiations on the region. The Kargil operation was perhaps one of the most audacious adventures on the Pakistan army’s part to force India to withdraw its troops from Siachen.
So, how should one see Shahid Aziz’s public disclosure of Musharraf’s Kargil operations? There is no unanimity in India about the timing of his disclosure. “Much of what he has said was already known to us,” Lt Gen (retd) V.R. Raghavan of the Chennai-based Centre for Security Analysis told Outlook. “But the disclosure of someone of his rank on some of the details on Kargil is definitely significant.”

But there is no doubt that what the former Pakistani general has revealed is significant and is likely to shape India’s stand on Pakistan, and particularly its decision on whether troops should be withdrawn from Siachen. For, among other things, Aziz makes it clear that all those who took part in the Kargil operation were regular Pakistani soldiers and not mujahideen, as Musharraf and the Pakistani government had claimed. He also stresses that the entire planning of the operation was done by Musharraf in complete secrecy by taking only four senior army officials into confidence.Thirdly, Aziz emphasises that the operation was aimed at cutting off Indian supplies to Siachen and forcing its troops to withdraw from the glacier.

“There’s no question of demilitarising Siachen. We hold advantage over Pakistan, that’s how it should be.”Gen (Retd) S. Roychowdhury, Former Cabinet Secretary


The question, therefore, remains: can India take Pakistan at face value and does it have any leverage with the Pakistani government to ensure that it would enforce any agreement in future were India to withdraw its troops from Siachen? For what Aziz has reaffirmed is that Pakistan can yet again sneak in its army regulars in the garb of Kashmiri mujahideen and claim to have no role in the illegal occupation or violation of proposed treaty terms. This is especially significant as retired Indian army officials and bureaucrats, who were part of a Canada-initiated Track II initiative, had recently courted controversy and strong criticism from the Indian army establishment for agreeing with their Pakistani counterparts on the ‘doability’ of withdrawing troops from Siachen. The current mood definitely scuttles any such move.
“There is no peace dividend in going for a troop pullout from Siachen. There is no justification for it. After Kargil, it has become difficult and the latest developments make it almost impossible. A goodwill gesture has no place now as things stand in the present ambience,” says Raghavan, pointing to last month’s tension along the LoC with the subsequent beheading and mutilation of Indian soldiers by the Pakistani side as a cautionary note.

[Sachin]

there is good chance that Rajiv killers would be hanged now, being Hindu they will make equal equal

Rajiv case reprieve may have spurred secrecy
If I am not mistaken the Mercy Plea is now back in Hon.SC. Any way as I see it, these folks are also fit to be hanged.

[nawabs]

XPost:

Many feared dead as stampede breaks out at Allahabad railway station

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 433889.cms

At least 15 people are feared dead and several injured in a stampede that broke out at Allahabad railway station on Sunday evening, according to Times Now.However, authorities remained tight-lipped about the number of casualties.

According to reports, the stampede broke out after a railing on a footoverbridge collapsed at the platform number 6 of Allahabad railway station.Eyewitnesses, however, said that the stampede was triggered after police lathicharged people in order to control the huge rush at the station.Many of the injured complained that administration delayed action by over 2 hours following the tragic incident.

Over three crore people converged at the Sangam for a holy dip on the occasion of " Mauni Amavasya" on Sunday, considered the most auspicious day during the 12-yearly congregation.

News Channels quoting the Number of dead being 20.Authorities being really careless.No emergency number released for worried relatives.

[ramana]

Also there was car bomb that didn't go off in the wet Delhi fog or else Afzal Guru's toll would have been much higher.

[pentaiah]

I am told that burkha duty is stripped naked of her paki sympathy in tweets
Anybody knows of this twitter war on burkhas anti national cover being stripped?

[Surya]

as usual the abdullahs run with the foxes and hunt witht the hounds

the most shameless bunch of politicians ever

oh why the hell an IED never goes under that cretin

effing thieves

[Yayavar]

there is good chance that Rajiv killers would be hanged now, being Hindu they will make equal equal

Rajiv case reprieve may have spurred secrecy
If I am not mistaken the Mercy Plea is now back in Hon.SC. Any way as I see it, these folks are also fit to be hanged.

Also, Rajaona the killer of CM of Punjab. If this causes all such pending cases to be carried through it would be great. Get all these regional/anti-national and religiously motiviated murderers off the books and into the next world. Let Dharmaraj deal with the rest.

[ramana]

So where are the riots in J&K that were touted early on by the two do-nothing MHAs in case Afzal Guru is hanged for his crimes?

[abhishek_sharma]

^^ The p-sec community says that there were no riots after Maqbool Bhatt's hanging either. It prepared the ground for what happened later.

[Surya]

since when were govt decisions based on someone rioting???

having seen them deal with the Delhi crowd, lets see if they have the balls to handle any other riots with kid gloves now

[ramana]

Here is some stone pelting which is Kashmir time pass:

Not sure why Omar Abdullah feels compelled to criticise the centre for hanging Afzal Guru. A terrorist met his just end; and that's all there is to it. Its pretty disgusting that Omar Abdullah and his ilk are looking to salvage some votes out of sympathising with the terrorist and his supporters. The average Kashmiri must have no doubt whatsoever that if you are caught conspiring to attack the State, you will hang from a noose; its a pity that these gormless politicians would like some to think otherwise. I hope he has the decency and common sense to visit the policemen who have been injured in the clashes and offer them his support.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 437649.cms
SRINAGAR/NEW DELHI: A day after Afzal Guru's hanging, Jammu & Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah cautioned the Centre against being selective in executing those convicted of attacking symbols of democracy, and suggested that the government now move to implement the death penalty of killers of Rajiv Gandhi and Beant Singh, both equally symbols of state.

"Why is it that you are in such a rush to execute one and not execute the others?" Omar asked. The executions of Balwant Singh Rajoana, who killed former Punjab CM Beant Singh, and Santham, Murugan and Perarivalan, involved in the assassination of former PM Rajiv Gandhi, have been stayed by courts.

Murugan, Santhan and Perarivalan were convicted by the Supreme Court in May 1999. Their mercy petitions were rejected by then President Pratibha Patil in August 2011. But they appealed against the rejection of their clemency petition by the President. Their hanging, scheduled for September 9, 2011, was stayed by Madras high court which is hearing the case. Rajoana was to hang on March 31, 2012, but his execution was also stayed as one his co-convicts moved the court for judicial review just two days before the hanging.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 08997.aspx
At least 40 people were injured in the day-long clashes between security forces and violent protestors on Saturday, even as authorities clamped curfew on the entire valley in the wake of Afzal Guru's hanging in Delhi.

Defying curfew restrictions, violent mobs indulged in stone throwing at police and Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) personnel in Baramulla, Srinagar and south Kashmir's Anantnag districts.

A senior police official said the injured included 23 policemen who were controlling violent mobs during the day.

BTW if RG's killers get hanged then INC is not continuing the DMK alliance.

[vijayk]

http://www.firstpost.com/india/the-myth ... 20176.html

Unlike political commentators and analysts, who hyperventilate on pressing issues of the day without having to take an iota of responsibility for their over-the-top commentaries, Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah puts himself – and his job – on the line every single day. Even though chief ministership of the troubled border State is decidedly a crown of thorns, Omar has managed in recent years to turn things around on the ground with political sagacity, which fuses empathy for the plight of ordinary Kashmiris with the onerous responsibilities that are placed on his office to maintain law and order – and retain J&K on the ‘mind-map’ of India, so to speak. That’s no easy task in a State where the Pakistani-sponsored terrorist campaign of the past two decades and more and the ineffectual response of the Indian state to the jihadi challenge has vastly abridged the space for reasoned debate.

A principled opposition to the death penalty in its entirety is another matter; but it is not that sentiment that underlies the political posturing across the spectrum in the context of the execution in November of Ajmal Kasab, the lone surviving terrorist from the 26/11 attack on Mumbai, the hanging of Afzal Guru on Saturday – and the polemics over other death row inmates.

So long as the Supreme Court has, after due application of mind (and applying the filter of the ‘rarest of rare cases’) convicted terrorists and conspirators to death, selective exercise of the state’s right to execute in such rare instances validates perceptions of the sort that Omar articulates: that the state (and political parties) are playing politics with human lives – which is perverse even if those ‘humans’ have perpetrated inhuman deeds.

In a polemical essay in The Hindu on Sunday (here), Arundhati Roy, the head priestess of that myth-making industry, peddles mistruths and hand-picks half-truths to portray Afzal Guru as “a victim of torture, blackmail, extortion.” With characteristic hyperbole, she dismisses the entire body of evidence against Afzal Guru (which the Supreme Court had considered and, after due application of mind, pronounced verdict on) as a “pile up of lies and fabricated evidence.”

It would have been immensely gratifying to rip Arundhati Roy’s argument to shreds, but I’ve been spared that exertion (and denied the pleasure!) because Praveen Swami has, in his response today (here), done a masterly job of it. Roy has, as Swami points out, built her case around “what can, at best, be described as parts of the evidence, cherry-picked for polemical effect.” Additionally, she is guilty of ” censoring… facts that sit ill with her account” – that during the trial phase, the judicial system was blind to Afzal Guru’s legal rights.

Arundhati Roy also peddles the myth that the Indian government recalled its Ambassador from Pakistan and mobilised half a million soldiers to the Pakistan border “based only on Afzal’s confession.” In fact, as Swami points out, there is a fairly persuasive body of evidence to establish just who carried out the attack on the Indian parliament – and why. The fact that it was the Jaish-e-Muhammmad that, operating under Pakistan’s ISI, that carried out the attack was well-known even then – and validated by the testimony of, among others, a former ISI chief.

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In fact, a quite different conclusion can be arrived at. In paragraph 78 of his judgment, Additional Sessions judge S.N. Dhingra arrived at the conclusion that Mr. Geelani and Afsan Guru were probably taken into custody by the police after 8 p.m. on December 14, 2001 — some 14 hours before their arrest was legally recorded. Put bluntly, Mr. Geelani and Ms Afsan were in illegal custody when the Delhi Police sent its message seeking Guru. This illegal detention was criminal — but doesn’t suggest the existence of a sinister mystery over the timing of Guru’s arrest.

Less excusable is Ms Roy’s censoring of facts that sit ill with her account. She asserts, for example, that Guru lacked legal representation “at the most crucial stage of a criminal case”. However, she omits mentioning that Supreme Court judges P. Venkatarama Reddi and P.P. Naolekar heard extensive arguments on the quality of Guru’s legal representation in the trial court — and concluded that they found “no substance in this contention”. The judges examined precisely what proceedings took place during every period when Guru was unrepresented, and concluded that they did not include substantive, adverse proceedings.

The larger assertions Ms Roy makes, based on her selective reading of evidence, are even less grounded in the real world. “Based only on Afzal’s confession”, she claims, “the Government of India recalled its Ambassador from Pakistan and mobilised half a million soldiers to the Pakistan border”.

In fact, there’s a fairly persuasive body of evidence that tells us just who carried out the attack — and why. In testimony to Pakistan’s Senate in 2003, former Inter-Services Intelligence chief Lieutenant-General Javed Ashraf Qazi called on his nation to “not be afraid of admitting that the Jaish was involved in the deaths of thousands of innocent Kashmiris, bombing the Indian Parliament, Daniel Pearl’s murder and attempts on President Musharraf’s life”.

Pakistani scholar Muhammad Amir Rana, in a 2004 book, noted that the Jaish-e-Muhammad had initially taken responsibility for the operation but later retracted “under pressure from various agencies”. Independent journalists like Amir Mir have held the Jaish responsible for the operation; scholars like Peter Chalk and C. Christine Fair have arrived at much the same conclusion.

Ms Roy is right on one key issue: we are still far from knowing the full truth of 13/12. It is likely that many of the unanswered questions might resolve themselves if Pakistan were ever to arrest Jaish-e-Muhammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar — currently living, in some luxury, in his Bahawalpur home. Nothing in recent experience — witness the 26/11 case — suggests this will happen.

Perhaps the most damaging vanity of journalists, as well as political pamphleteers of a certain kind, is the certainty that there is something called the “full truth”. There is a reason, after all, that each year’s crop of historical journals publish appraisals of everything from 17th century riots to the Vietnam War. The ground beneath Ms Roy’s seismic claims, however, is shaky — to say the least.

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Liked this part from P.Swami's article:

Mohammad, a resident of Allahabad — a small town that lies between Rahim Yar Khan and Bahawalpur, in Pakistan’s Punjab — was shot dead by the police while allegedly attempting to escape from custody. So were two other men held with him — 22-year-old Faislabad resident Mohammad Tayyab Niaz and 24-year-old Mohammad Afzal Shahid. These killings were, quite possibly, extrajudicial executions but they took place between December 19, 2000 and February 13, 2001. Mohammad was in a grave in January, 2001, 11 months before 13/12.

Wish we bring back this policy of honoring our TSP guests who keep visiting by crossing the LoC instead of putting them in jail and then court releasing them after 1-2 years citing lack of evidence

[Sushupti]

Terrorist Channel NDTV and Nidhi Razdan waste no time in getting you Yasin Malik's story. YMalik just spoke to Nidhi on phone from Pakistan.

[SSridhar]

BTW if RG's killers get hanged then INC is not continuing the DMK alliance.

The DMK-aligned news channels in TN are vehemently criticizing the hanging of Afzal Guru. The reason is obvious.

[Surya]

Yasin should have been put away a long time ago

that frail mofo looks hale and hearty now

[SwamyG]

One thing that perturbs me is the report of Guru being tortured, the reluctance to accept his surrender and give him the certificate, and constant harassment by the authorities/forces to turn him into an informer. While the State security apparatus has to keep the State and public security paramount, care must be taken to not give opportunities for resentment. The State and the security personnel are in an unfortunate turf, a mistake here or there will get blown out of proportion and their good work will remain unnoticed. Such is the nature of the job. Indifference, lack of empathy & clear vision are hallmark of our politicians, that Pakistan and China continue to use to their benefit.
Be it the Maoists or any other insurgents, Pakistan and China can make them dance to their tunes only because of the local conditions. That is where people in power - babus, netas and police have to continue improve their act. Economic opportunities, respect, and hope is what people want.

[ramana]

SwamyG, which terrorist doesn't claim to be tortured? They all do. Its part of the standard operating manual they get trained in.The end goal is to make the attacked state a double victim:first the terrorism and then the inhuman rights aspect. Now its one step more besmirch the state for carrying out justice!

[IndraD]

In a letter to the home secretary RK Singh , Justice Katju also sought immediate institution of criminal proceedings against such officers under relevant provisions of IPC and grant of compensation and apology to Gilani for his alleged harassment.

He said the action against the cops should be initiated by the government within 48 hours.

The letter came after Gilani in an email to Katju complained that security agencies had illegally detained him on Sunday at the house of his father-in-law Syed Ali Geelani following the hanging of Parliament attack convict Afzal Guru and harassed him for many hours.

Syed Ali Shah Geelani is a Kashmiri separatist leader who heads the hardline faction of Hurriyat Conference.

Katju used the opportunity to ask police personnel to not carry out such "illegal" orders of their superiors, "otherwise they will be charged for serious crimes, and if found guilty, severely punished".

Suspend book cops who book Gilani http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 451020.cms

[IndraD]

Over last 48 hours I read many comments on Hanging and one which struck out was 'is it a co incidence Afzak guru looks like Rahul Gandhi in beard'.

[Prem]

Yasin should have been put away a long time ago
that frail mofo looks hale and hearty now

Nourish the enemies so they die broken, burned and disaapointed. These Gandhe ande must die the daily death before reach at final stage . That time we can just inject Pork fat into them so they burn in Jahanuum.

[SwamyG]

SwamyG, which terrorist doesn't claim to be tortured? They all do. Its part of the standard operating manual they get trained in.The end goal is to make the attacked state a double victim:first the terrorism and then the inhuman rights aspect. Now its one step more besmirch the state for carrying out justice!

True; but that does not also mean we are doing our best. The very fact that he attempted to surrender indicates he had already crossed over (literally & figuratively) to the other side. However, if there are opportunities for us to reform, shouldn't we do that too? Just like the say, the best intel is Human Intel, the best way to tackle problem is from a holistic perspective - just not bullets and danda. A long term thought needs to exist along with immediate goals.

[IndraD]

manoranjan....
some comments from ToI

Afzal Guru (HELL)
I have reached hell safely and guess what, every jihadi is around me. So I am feeling like home. Though we still wait for 72 pigs and 144 camels as promised, we compensate by (making) love with each other . just like porkistan 5 times a day strange squeal echoes around and we all go mad. rest in next.

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Robin (India) 47 mins ago

Model prisoner but not a model citizen! Did not create any trouble in the jail but created havoc in the country! Once he was caught and knew his fate he had no other recourse.

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Shilpa (Mumbai) 48 mins ago
Another Mahatma in the making by paid anti Hindu media of India,such coverage is never given to natives of Kashmir but to a terrorist is really annoying. Agree (44)Disagree (7)Recommend (23)Offensive

Suheil Pandit (India) 49 mins ago
Letter written in Urdu, not in Kashmiri... what kind of Kashmiri was this?

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CCU (UK) 50 mins ago


Media has gone bonkers to support a terrorist, their editors should be taken for a sakht pooch-taach as to why they have such a sympathy for some one who waged war aginst India and whose death sentence was signed by Supreme court

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