Internal Security Watch

[chetak]

And what were these security establishment worthies doing when these RoPers were coming in India? What's stopping them from deporting them right this moment?

The congis brought them in, prodded by the MIM

[SanjayC]

The fun is that Muslim countries don't allow Rohangiyas to enter their country. So they made a beeline to India where Sitaram Yechury was waiting for them with open arms -- it is this Yechury charlatan who is most active in settling Rohangiyas into india. Interestingly, Bangladesh doesn't allow Rohingyas entry into their country and prohibits marriage of any of its citizen with Rohingyas.

This is what B Raman wrote a couple of years ago:
Barred By Muslim Countries, Rohingya Muslims Sneaking Into India
http://www.eurasiareview.com/05082012-b ... -analysis/

[sum]

^^ Some more peaceful action in Tamil-stan:
Police detains men for alleged gold smuggling, ruckus at airport in Chennai

The International Airport here witnessed a ruckus today when a group of 20 men demanded release of four passengers who were detained by customs authorities for allegedly smuggling gold from Singapore.

Four men--Peer Mohammed, Nainar Mohammed, Basheer and Kroshi--arrived here by an early morning flight from Singapore, police said.

When Nainar Mohammed noticed everyone being frisked and baggage checked, he allegedly threw 2.75 kg of gold onto a conveyor belt.

The gold was, however, recovered from the conveyor and seized, police said. Another consignment of 1.5 kg gold concealed in a rice cooker, allegedly brought by the four-member team, was also confiscated.

Even as a senior customs official was questioning them, a group of 20 men arrived in the customs enclosure, shouted slogans and demanded their immediate release.

They allegedly threatened the official with dire consequences and dispersed. Police, which was alerted, traced five of them to a neighbourhood near the airport. They have been detained and are being questioned, police said, adding further investigations were on.

[sum]

Must be the damned jain minority:
Tension in Meerut as teacher alleges religious conversion, gang-rape

Tension gripped Meerut on Sunday evening after a mob came out on the roads in Kharkhauda area to protest against an alleged attempt to convert a young madrasa teacher, who was allegedly gang-raped by assaulters.

DGP AL Banerjee said in Lucknow that an alert was sounded in Meerut and neighbouring districts. Police forces were deployed in Kharkhauda police station area. The district administration, meanwhile, maintained a strict vigil on Sarawa village, where the madrasa is situated. The state administration was on its toes as the incident came close on the heels of the Saharanpur riots.

The teacher was reportedly compelled to adopt the religion of a minority community{Jainism, Buddhism??} in a madrasa in Hapur district, then taken to Muzaffarnagar and kept in confinement in a house there for three days.

The 20-year-old woman reportedly managed to escape from the clutches of the abductors. She reached Kharkhauda on Sunday and narrated her tale to her family. She also alleged that she was gang-raped.

A case was lodged against a madrasa official, the village pradhan and their aides who allegedly plotted the conversion plan.

Meanwhile, police arrested village pradhan Nawabkhan and madarsa official Sannaullah on the complaint of the girl. "A named FIR against four persons has been lodged and two of them have been arrested," said DIG of Meerut range K Satyanarayan.

The DIG added: "We are probing the allegation of gang-rape and the woman has been referred for medical examination."

The woman was a regular teacher of Hindi and English in the Sarawa village madarsa in Kharkhauda area.

[devesh]

Uttar Pradesh has turned into an all-out Sultanate reincarnation under SP. are Yadav's still under the thrall?

[RoyG]

Deveshji,

You have to see it to believe it. No joke, I saw 2 mega mosques being constructed. Driver told me that one of them was being constructed with help from Kuwait and the other from Saudi Arabia. The muslims of Bagphat, Meerut, Bijnor, Azamgarh, etc are as radical as they get. Bijnor was by far the worst. Muslims are a majority and they don't let anyone else breath. Police are non-existent in these areas. They just keep having too many kids and they go straight to Madrassah starting from a young age. They have no skills. They are simply rubbish people. Everyone is getting fed up with them.

[Chandragupta]

These muslims are no longer Indians, they're just Muslims/Islamist. It's a folly on our behalf to consider them as equal Indian citizens, they're not. The only way to solve this problem is forced neutering and biannuall jhappads on the entire community of these wannabe arabs. I look forward to the day when these Arabs will no longer be able to vote in Indian elections, should happen asap.

[SanjayC]

The teacher was reportedly compelled to adopt the religion of a minority community{Jainism, Buddhism??} in a madrasa in Hapur district, then taken to Muzaffarnagar and kept in confinement in a house there for three days. The 20-year-old woman reportedly managed to escape from the clutches of the abductors.

This routinely happens to Hindus of Pakistan. Strange to see the same has begun to happen to women in India too. These people have a standard tactic: Abduct a non-Muslim woman, take her to a mosque / madarssa, rape her and then marry her to a momin who will use her as breeding cow to produce more Muslims. Others are pushed into prostitution. Truly, these people are animals and a huge burden on the country. The problem is going to become very severe in the next 20 years, and there are no peaceful solutions for Hindus.

[Aditya_V]

Well, we have to thank the Secular Politics and Media alogn with Babus who give cover for these operations.

How many days was this discussed on UNDTV, less me guess 0, covered on front pages of the Hindu like nun rape in Orissa, let me guess 0.

UNDTV ran a campaign not doing anything when a crime happens is like committing, what does one say for a Media organisations which repeatedly do not report crimes, can one say they preplanned and committed them.

Without this cover for Maoists and Islamists would loose very fast. They thrive through this network. Even in an Indo Pak war or Operation Parakram, this network way very much on the other side, cutting our ability to act.

[member_25399]

You have to see it to believe it.

Roy saar , I can vouch for that. Officially there are about 42-45 % minority [so called] in the Meerut city. Unofficially, the number is obviously huge. There are areas in the city where the police dare not go. There have been instances when the police forces or the local administration were beaten up for just trying to do their duty.
And I am sure this will explode sooner or later, actually sooner the better.

[Shubham]

Received this floating around in the Social Media.

I would just say it will increase some awareness

प्रत्येक हिंदू को पढावें।

अगर आपके पास थोडा भी समय हो तो पाकिस्तान से आये हुये इस पत्र जो की भारत की 3.5 लाख वहाबी मस्जिदों मे हर जुम्मे को पढ़ा जाता है ...अवश्य पढ़ें ...और आप ना भी पढ़े तो कम से कम अपने मासूम बच्चों को अवश्य पढ़ायें ... ताकि वो अपनी जिंदगी..एक मासूम बनकर ना जियें !

'' उर्दू फारसी पत्र की सत्यप्रति
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पैगाम इस्लाम

आप सबको गुजारिश है कि हमने हिन्दुस्तान पर 800 साल हुकूमत की है। अब भी हमारी हुकूमत चलती है पर सीधी तरह से नहीं। सब पार्टियां और इनके काफिर नेता हमारे इशारे पर नाचते हैं।
हमको आज मदरसों, मस्जिदों और हज के लिये पैसा मिलता है।

2004 और 2009 के चुनाव में हिन्दुओं की पार्टी भाजपा को मुंह की खानी पड़ी मगर हमारी पूरी हुकूमत तो तब मानी जायेगी जब पूरा हिन्दुस्तान इस्लाम के झण्डे के नीचे होगा। जल्दी ही हमारे मुजाहिद्दीन लड़ाके सफ़ेद दाड़ी वाले गुजराती को मार देंगे फिर हिन्दुओं का अंतिम रहनुमा भी हमारे रास्ते से हट जायेगा !

इसलिये हर मुसलमान का फर्ज है कि खाना जंगी के लिये तैयार रहें। इसके लिये हथियारों के अलावा बम्ब बनाना सीखें और कुरान की 24 आयातें रोज पढ़ें और उसी के मुताबिक काफिरों के मारने, जलाने और धोखे से पकड़ने का काम सरंजाम दें और उनको लूट और उनकी औरतों को भगा कर शादी करें। वैसे तो ये सिलसिला 70 साल से चल रहा है। पर अब पूरा जोर तब लगायें जब खाना जंगी के लिये आईएसआई और इंडियन मुजाहिद्दीन के लिये हुकुम देंगे।

हर मुसलमान को दूसरा कलमा रोज पढ़ना चाहिये। वो यह है- हंस के लिये लिया है पाकिस्तान और लड़के लेंगे हिन्दुस्तान।

अगरचे मदरसा जैल बातों पर आप लोग चल रहे हो फिर भी तबज्जो दें।

1-बिजनौर यू0पी0 फार्मूलाः- यहां पर मुसलमान जवान लड़के हिन्दुओं से दोस्ती करके अपने घर बुलाकर मछली, मुर्गा खिलाते हैं और फिर काफिरों के घर उनकी औरतों से यारी करके फंसाते हैं। ये औरतें मुसलमानों को माल भी खिलाती हैं और पैसा भी देती हैं। बहुत सी काफिर लड़कियों ने मुसलमानों से शादी कर ली है। वाह अल्ला तेरा शुक्र है।

2-बोतल फार्मूला- गरीब बस्तियों में काफिरों को ज्यादा शराब पिला कर नामर्द बनाओ और उनकी औरतों से ऐश करो। 9 करोड़ हिंदु तो मुसलमानों से मिल चुके हैं और उनकी औरतें तो आराम से मुसलमानों के बगल में आ जाती हैं।

3-चोरी डकैती- काफिरों के घरों में धोखा देकर चोरियां करो उनके खेतों की फसल काटो और उनके जानवरों की भी चोरी करो।

4-शहरी फार्मूला-(1) मुसलमान अकल से काम लें, अपने छोटे लड़कों को काफिरों के घर नौकर रखो और 25/25 बच्चे कैसे पालोगे, 8/10 साल के बाद आपके बच्चे जवान होकर घर की हिन्दू औरतों से दोस्ती करेंगे और ऐश के साथ-साथ पैसा भी खूब मारेंगे।

शहरी फार्मूला-(2) मुसलमान जवान नौकर, ड्राइवर, खानसामा, रोटी पकाने वाला, माली, चैकीदार बन हिन्दू नामों से रहो और मौका मिलते ही उपर वाली बातों पर अमल करें। इसके अलावा उनकी गाड़ियों, स्कूटरों वगैरा भी चोरी कर सकते हैं। ये शहर के इमाम से हर तरह के उस्तादों का पता लग जायेगा। काफिरों को जब पता लगा अपनी औरतों के बारे में पता लगा तो उन्होंने नौकरी से निकालने की कोशिश की तो औरतें ही कहने लगी-अच्छा भला ईमानदारी से काम करता है इसे नौकरी से क्यों निकालते हो। कई बार औरतें मुसलमानों के साथ भाग गईं। कई मुसलमान निकाले जाने के बाद दिन में जब काफिर घर पर नहीं होते आकर ऐश, ईशरत करते हैं। माल खाते हैं और पैसे भी ले जाते हैं। या अल्ला तेरा शुकर है तूने किसलिये हिन्दू को अंधा बनाकर रखा है, जिसको पैसा कमाने के अलावा कुछ भी नजर नहीं आता। ये इस्लाम की जीत है।

जेहाद- खाना जंगी के जेहाद में यदि मुसलमान शहीद होगा तो उसे जन्नत मिलेगी, अगर जिन्दा बचता है तो हिन्दुस्तान के काफिरों की सारी जायदादें मुसलमानों को मिलेंगी और सारी हिन्दू औरतें भी मिलेंगी तो यह भी जन्नत होगी। जैसे पाकिस्तान, कश्मीर और बांग्लादेश की सब कोठियां बंगले मुसलमानों को मिले थे। जेहाद के लिये 2 लाख सीमी के जवान 1 लाख अलकायदा के लिये मुसलमान तैयार हैं। अब हम 20 करोड़ हो गये हैं इसके अलावा 5 करोड़ बंग्लादेशी जिसमें 1 लाख मुजाहिद्दीन लड़ाके हैं। इसलिये घबराने की जरूरत नही है। हिन्दुस्तान की मिलिट्री में भी काफी मुसलमान हैं और बहुत से तो हिन्दू नामों से भर्ती हैं। पुलिस में भी काफी मुसलमान हैं और वक्त आने पर काफिरों को दोजख पहुचायेंगे।

आम हिन्दू लोगों में मुसलमानों के लिय नरम रूख है जिसकी वजह ऊपर बतायी वजह हिन्दू औरतों से दोस्ती है। केरल, मद्रास और हैदराबाद में काफी असलाह पाकिस्तान और अरब मुल्कों से आ चुका है। बिहार में चीन और बांग्लादेश से 60 हजार एके-47 आ चुकी हैं। इसलिये लाल किला पर झण्डा जल्दी झूलेगा।

अरब मुल्कों में हिन्दू औरतों को नर्स, आया, खाना बनाने वाली बनाकर ज्यादा से ज्यादा भेजें। अच्छी तनख्वाह के लालच में गरीब व दरम्यान घर की लड़कियां खुशी से जाती हैं और वहां जाकर रात को सारी की सारी अरबों के पास सो जाती हैं और मुसलमानों की आबादी बढ़ाने में काफी मददगार हैं।

हिन्दू लड़की से शादी, हिन्दू लड़की जो भगाकर लायी जाये उसे 2 दिन भूखा रखें फिर अच्छा-अच्छा खाना दें। उनकी सतत या खतना जरूर करायें। अगर उसके रिश्तेदार कोर्ट केस करें तो कोर्ट में ले जाने से पहले 50/60 बंदूकों के हथियार दिखायें और खबरदार करें। अगर हमारे खिलाफ बयान दिये तो तेरे भाई और खानदान को भून देंगे। ऐसी लड़की को वश में करने वाले ताबीज पहनाना न भूलें। ये भी कमाल का काम करता है।

हरियाणा के मुसलमानों का कमाल- गांधी की मेहरबानी से मेवात के मुसलमान पाकिस्तान नही गये थे। पिछले 15 सालों से40 लाख मुसलमान बिहार, यूपी, राजस्थान में आकर बस गये हैं। 70 फीसदी तो हिन्दू नामों से रह रहे हैं और ऊपर लिखी बाते अच्छी तरह सरंजाम दे रहे हैं।

पंजाब में भी लाखों मुसलमान पहुंच चुका है। वक्त आने पर ये सब जेहाद के लिये कुरान के मुताबिक काफिरों को दोजख पहुचाने के लिये तैयार हैं। अल्ला हमारे साथ है।

काफिरों का बंटवारा- वैसे तो हिन्दू जांत-पांत में बंटा है आप लोग इनके चमारों के दिमाग में हिन्दुओं के लिये खूब नफरत भरें कि हिन्दुओं ने इनके ऊपर सैकड़ों साल जुल्म ढाये।
मुसलमानों शाबास।

आसाम और कश्मीर- आसाम और कश्मीर पर तो मुसलमानों का कब्जा हो चुका है। सारे बुतखाने तोड़ दिये गये हैं। महलों व सड़कों का नाम बदलकर जिन्हा रोड व अली रोड कर दिये हैं। आसाम पर भी काफी हद तक मुसलमानों का कब्जा है। काफिरों का कत्ल करके दहशत फैला कर भगाया जा रहा है। इस तरह कश्मीर की तरह हिन्दुओं की जायदाद व औरतें अल्ला की फजल से हम मुसलमानों को मिल रही हैं। इन्शाह अल्लाह जल्दी ही सारे हिन्दुस्तान को इस्लाम के झंडे के नीचे आयेगा।

सन् 1947 में हमारे जवानों ने काफिरों के छोटे-छोटे बच्चे आसमान में उछालकर नैजे व भाले पर लिये थे। इनकी औरतों के साथ 10/10 मुसलमानों ने जिन्हा किया था और अल्हादानी लोहे की नोहर गर्म करके लाल-लाल उनके थनों पर चिपकाई गई थी। कई औरतों के थन काट दिये थे। उनके बच्चों को मारकर पकाकर खिलाया भी था।

राजीव गांधी के राज में फार्मूला काश्मीर में आजमाया गया। नतीजा यह निकला कि साढ़े तीन लाख पण्डितों से कश्मीर 3 दिन में खाली हो गया और करोड़ों बल्कि अरबों रूपये की काफिरों की जायदाद पर मुसलमानों का कब्जा हो गया।

जेहाद में औरतों के लिये खास दस्ता- मुसलमान जवान का यह दस्ता स्कूटर कार छोटे ट्रक वगैरा पर हिन्दू देवताओं की फोटों चिपकाकर रखें। ड्राइवर व कंडक्टर हिन्दू वेश में हो। जब अफरा-तफरी फैले तो काफिरों को जिनमें औरतें ज्यादा हों मुसलमान मोहल्लों में भगाकर ले जायें। औरतें को वहां पहुंचा दी जायें। काफिर मर्द और बच्चे मारकर दोजख भेज दें। ये नुस्खा 40 साल पहले अहमदाबाद में आजमाया गया था, उस समय वाई वी चैहान होम मिनिस्टर थे। इसी दस्ते के लिये जयपुर फार्मूला कई साल पहले हमारे मुसलमाना जवानों ने जयपुर में फसाद शुरू किये थे और हिन्दू घरों से व लड़कियों के स्कूलों से उठा ली थी। 6 माह बाद जब 2/3 लड़कियों ने अपने घर खबर भेजी तो खानदान के उन लोगों ने उन लड़कियों को वापस लेने से इन्कार कर दिया। 1948 में जब हिन्दू मिलिट्री, हिन्दू औरतों को निकालकर हिन्दुस्तान लाई तो उनके खानदान वालों ने लेने से इंकार कर दिया। इस वास्ते कुछ ने तो खुदकुशी कर ली। ये सब मुसलमानों के लिये अच्छा हुआ। इसके लिये हिन्दुओं की दाद देनी चाहिये।

मुसलमानों और हिन्दुओं के मरने की निस्बतः- जब पाकिस्तान बना तो एक मुसलमान शहीद हुआ था और 100 काफिर मारे गये थे अब तो बम्बों और एके 47 का जमाना है, अल्ला ने चाहा तो एक मुसलमान के मारे जाने पर 1000 हिन्दू मरेंगे अल्ला हमारे साथ है।

मुसलमानों को अल्ला का शुक्रगुजार होना चाहिये कि वो सब भूल गयें अल्ला ने उसका दिमाग बड़ा कमजोर दिया है। इसलिये हमने 800 साल हुकूमत की और इन्शाह अल्ला फिर करेंगे। इस बात से साबित होता है कि अल्ला भी चाहता है कि मुसलमानों को हिन्दुस्तान की हुकूमत मिले और हिन्दुओं की औरतों के साथ मौज मस्ती मिले ।

चीन, पाकिस्तान और बंग्लादेश से हथियार व नकली नोट हम मुसलमानों की मदद के लिये अल्ला भिजवा रहा है। हिन्दू अफसर और पुलिस वाले इसी पैसे से अंधे बना दिये जाते हैं।

यह खत मस्जिदों में जुमे के रोज सब मुसलमानों को सुनाया जाये। खाना जंगी के वक्त पाकिस्तान, चीन और बांग्लादेश भी हमारी मदद के लिये हिन्दुस्तान पर हमला बोल देंगे। नेपाल में काफी मंदिर तोड़ दिये गये हैं और आईएसआई की मदद से काफी लोग मुसलमान हो गये हैं।

कलावा मोटर साईकिल-मुसलमान जवानों को चाहिये अपने हाथ में कलावा बांध कर अपना नाम बदलकर हिन्दू नाम अपना लें। मोटर साईकिल पर सवार होकर हिन्दू मोहल्ले में कालेजों और स्कूलों के पास खड़े होकर हिन्दू लड़कियों से इश्क लड़ायें। होटलों में भी खुद भी ऐश करें और उनसे काल गर्ल्स का काम लें। इस कमाई से कुछ हिस्सा हथियारों पर खर्च करें। कारों वाले भाई जान भी करें। अरब मुल्कों में इसके लिये काफी पैसा हम तक पहुंच रहा है ! जिसे हमने तुम्हारे मौलानाओं से तुम्हे काफिरों की लौडियों को फंसाने के बाद तुम्हे देने को कह दिया है !

भाजपा का डर था कि वो कुरान की 24 आयतें कहीं छापकर नहीं बांटे मगर अल्ला की मेहरबानी से वो अंधे हो गये और नहीं बांट सके। अल्ला तेरा शुक्र है !

भूल कर भी सिखों को न छेड़ें। ये जालिम होते हैं बल्कि चक्कर चलाकर उनको हिन्दुओं से दूर रखें। हिन्दुओं के बाद इनसे भी निबट लेंगे !

ये खत किसी हिन्दू को ना दिखायें।
आपका खादिम

(हाफिज सईद)

नारे तदबीर अल्लाह हो अकबर '

[sum]

You have to see it to believe it.

Roy saar , I can vouch for that. Officially there are about 42-45 % minority [so called] in the Meerut city. Unofficially, the number is obviously huge. There are areas in the city where the police dare not go. There have been instances when the police forces or the local administration were beaten up for just trying to do their duty.
And I am sure this will explode sooner or later, actually sooner the better.

IIRC, same situation was reached in Coimbatore in 90s and a peaceful act of stabbing of traffic constable led to pressure cooker valve being let off!

[member_28539]

Too Much of rage reading the past 3-4 pages of this thread ...Somebody please tell me something is being done to screw these guys back!!

[SSridhar]

Tamilnadu is becoming a jihadi state. We had the Coimbatore blasts, series of Hindu Munnani & BJP leaders being target-killed (something that is continuing until today unabated), violent clashes with the police in Tirunelveli, attempt to assassinate LKA last year, violent clashes in front of the US consulate and 'capturing' of Mount Road for three full days by Muslim organizations two years back, arrests of important IM terrorists at Chennai and Cuddalore, participation of Tamil Muslim youth in ISIS fighting, a series of small bomb blasts in Madurai lately, involvement of Al Umma terrorists in bomb blasts in Bangalore, and now this:

Muslim youths sporting ISIS t-shirts cause a flutter

A group of 26 Muslim youths caused a flutter when they posed for a photograph, sporting black T-shirts with the emblem of the ISIS (Islamic State in Iraq and al-Shams) in front of a mosque at the coastal town of Thondi in Ramanathapuram district on Eid day.

After one of them posted the photograph on Facebook, which went viral, the police swung into action but found none of them had any direct or indirect link with the ISIS, which was battling the governments of Iraq and Syria, or any other fundamentalist Muslim outfit.

“The police questioned B. Abdul Rahman, 24, who had ordered the T-shirts from a garment company at Tirupur, but found nothing incriminating,” said Superintendent of Police N.M. Mylvahanan.

Rahman, who was working in Bangkok, had come to his native Thondi for Ramzan, and he was summoned for questioning on Sunday, the SP said. The interrogation revealed that the youths wanted to hail the ISIS for releasing the Indian nurses recently without harming them.

Preliminary investigation revealed that Rahman had collected money from the youths and ordered 100 T-shirts through his friend Vilven in Chennai, Mr. Mylvahanan said.

Team sent to Tirupur

The other version was that he had bought the T-shirts from his own money. A police team was being sent to the garment company at Kadharpettai in Tirupur to find out how many T-shirts were ordered and how they were distributed, the SP told The Hindu.

Though enquiries showed that the youths had no links with either the ISIS or any other Muslim outfit, Rahman and others would be brought under police surveillance. “We will watch their activities, though prima facie there is nothing serious,” the SP said. The police had not seized the T-shirts, he said.

As the ISIS was not banned in India, the police were not contemplating any action against the youths, Mr. Mylvahanan said. Sources in the Q Branch said there was nothing incriminating in the case.

The photograph had since been removed from Facebook.

[member_25399]

^^^^
That is where POTA becomes relevant.
We need some tough laws which make these mullahs realize that having sympathy for terrorists is also a crime.

[Singha]

The list for infidel blood and the pleasurable flesh of women preferably infidel seems like a common genetic feature of islamism.

its amazing how violent and misogynist this militant cult is.

[member_19686]

Video interview of the victim of Muslim rapists:

[member_19686]

Aakash ರಾಜ್ राज़दान ‏@Bengalur_Huduga 23m
40 Women abducted and kept prisoners in Madrasa are from West Bangladesh and from #IshratKaMaika. Long Live Secularism!!! #MeerutGangrape



Aakash ರಾಜ್ राज़दान ‏@Bengalur_Huduga 15m
@AgentSaffron no info on the states of origin of the women but it is still there in local media here
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Sathya Anand ‏@AgentSaffron 15m
@Bengalur_Huduga Wont be surprising at all
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Aakash ರಾಜ್ राज़दान ‏@Bengalur_Huduga 14m
@AgentSaffron note the name of the SP of Meerut Rural UP police is very very secular

https://twitter.com/AgentSaffron/status ... 9274779648

[muraliravi]

These muslims are no longer Indians, they're just Muslims/Islamist. It's a folly on our behalf to consider them as equal Indian citizens, they're not. The only way to solve this problem is forced neutering and biannuall jhappads on the entire community of these wannabe arabs. I look forward to the day when these Arabs will no longer be able to vote in Indian elections, should happen asap.

The only way this mess can be solved is if a political party has the guts to impose a 1 child policy on muslims of india and dwindle their numbers down in the next 30-40 years to like 7% if the pop.

BJP has the potential to do it, but i doubt if they have the guts. The hindus of India by and large will support this move. They can even try a referendum. Everything else is just piecemeal measures. The real game is demography and we have to win, no point ranting and whining. Burma has shown the will by recently imposing a selective child limit policy on muslims alone. We should just replicate the same.

There will be a massive law and order situation, but they should do massive economic growth in 5-6 years, improve urban law and order and then unlease massive propaganda/saffronization across india in the minds of dhimmified hindus so that one day this law can be passed. If UN objects, just quit UN.

[abhishek_sharma]

Over 600 ‘communal incidents’ in UP since LS results, 60% near bypoll seats

[Sachin]

I am really worried about what is happening in UP. Things are just not going fine. The state govt. seems to be allowing the Muslims to do any atrocity perhaps to prove a lesson to the BJP cadre of the state - we will not help you and your own central govt. also would NOT do any thing to help you . BJP would soon lose its vote share if they just watch the Yadav father-son duo continues to encourage any atrocity done by the Muslims. The commies & "seculars" also would also use these incidents to spite back at NaMo and co.

[Prem Kumar]

NaMo, by staying silent and hiding behind "law & order is a state subject" figleaf, is indulging in appeasement politics by his act of omission. At the very least, he must condemn it strongly in his Aug 15 speech

The shades are falling from people's eyes - over the last few years, it has fallen from mine. Islam is proving to be nothing more than a misogynist, genocidal cult. Delegitimizing it (i.e. not allowing it to be characterized as a religion) is an option that must be considered. For instance, Aum Shinrikyo is considered a terrorist organization & not a religion.

[anchal]

BJP is going to lose UP soon. Hindus are just not safe. Imagine the plight, yesterday certain community fired on hapless devotees distributing prasad in the West. Police is yadavised, and media covers up. BJP is in statesman mode. Arun Jaitely gives his first major interview to NDTV!

What holds back Modi from issuing a concrete warning to Mulayam. The guy is corrupt to the core. If Italian mafia could keep him on leash for 10 years, this government cannot?! And why cannot BJP impose President's rule. If the motion falls in Rajya Sabha let it be. At least UP Hindus would see who stands where. What a shame this government has been thus far. Not even entrenched babus in Dilli have been removed. Modi sir, ye dilli hai, gayab ho jaoge

[partha]

Some minority community pigs from mars at it again -

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 48331.aspx

Communal clash in Bareilly village over halwa

Tension gripped Chandpur Jogiyan village in Uttar Pradesh's Bareilly district on Monday night after members of two communities clashed over distribution of halwa in a temple, police said.

According to a police officer, a group of kanwariyas or devotees of Shiva assembled at the local Shiva temple for the jalasbhisek programme on the last Monday of Shravan.

After the programme was over villagers distributed halwa among the devotees.

Members of another community residing across the road opposed the distribution.

They objected to the new tradition saying the halwa distribution programme should be called off immediately.

There was heated exchange between members of the two communities. Soon large number of people gathered on the road and started pelting stones on the kanwariyas and the villagers.

The devotees assembled in the temple premises retaliated by brick batting on the opposite group.

Anti-social elements fired on the kanwariyas and a 12-year-old boy sustained injury.

Fearing that tension might spread to neighbouring villages, the district administration has deployed extra police force in the area.

The district administration and police officers are camping in the village.

Additional superintendent of police Hemant Kutiyal said policemen are patrolling in the area and situation is under control.

[Chandragupta]

[Admin edited - calls for general violence and riots against innocent people are not acceptable]

[sum]

Police is yadavised, and media covers up. BJP is in statesman mode. Arun Jaitely gives his first major interview to NDTV!

Are Yadavs not Hindus? Whats with them?

[anchal]

Caste affiliations run deeper. Every thana has mandated quota of Yadavs and peaceful community. In the two years, many IAS/IPS Yadav candidates have been brought in UP on inter-state cadre deputation. State civil service folks of questionable credentials have been promoted to IAS and IPS. Recently in UPPCS examination, only Yadav candidates were awarded 5-10 marks more than any other group of candidates. One can imagine at lower level what would have been happening. Every kamau department e.g. RTO and daroo have their share of Yadavs. So caste affiliations are stronger than religious. Obviously not all Yadav factions are benefiting, only select ones claiming direct lineage from PBUH Mulayam Singh but that's a different story!

[SanjayC]

^^^ If they don't hang together as Hindus, they will all hang separately as Yadavs.

[arminius]

Caste affiliations run deeper. Every thana has mandated quota of Yadavs and peaceful community. In the two years, many IAS/IPS Yadav candidates have been brought in UP on inter-state cadre deputation. State civil service folks of questionable credentials have been promoted to IAS and IPS. Recently in UPPCS examination, only Yadav candidates were awarded 5-10 marks more than any other group of candidates. One can imagine at lower level what would have been happening. Every kamau department e.g. RTO and daroo have their share of Yadavs. So caste affiliations are stronger than religious. Obviously not all Yadav factions are benefiting, only select ones claiming direct lineage from PBUH Mulayam Singh but that's a different story!

I was reading somewhere, that 60% of SHOs in UP are yadavs. There were also reports relating how yadav candidates got almost 100% marks in interviews during state civil services selection.

[muraliravi]

If the motion to impose presidents rule in rajya sabha fails, so be it. Let the BJP show some guts and impose presidents rule in UP through the lok sabha. If they cant do anything about the law and order situation there, then during the elections they should have said openly that we cant do anything about it even if we come to power at the center. All talk and no action.

And if state governments are so powerful in our government structure what is stopping BJP run states from enacting anti conversion laws at the least. As far as i know, rajasthan still does not have one.

[RoyG]

It's too late for UP. Muslims are largely radicalized and uneducated in the state. BJP can do President's Rule and it wouldn't really make a huge difference to the demographic situation. I'm sorry but this is the situation today. It's literally impossible to bring sanity to these people. My grandparent's reside in Meerut and the situation there is at a tipping point. Afghans and wahabis are gaining ground in the community, good 50-60% of muslim women wear the burkha, they constantly harass hindu women at the girl's school's and colleges, etc. This isn't a internal security threat. This is a full blown silent war within the country and we're losing.

[SBajwa]

A question to Mr. Sina!

Dear Mr. Sina,

One of my friends whom I know from a Polish discussion board (he’s a Roman Catholic) claims that Islam has absolutely no respect of work and prefers plunder as a source of wealth. He claims that trade is the only normal source of income not frowned upon by Islam. His conclusion therefore is that cultures based on Islam are simply incapable of creating a prosperous economy.

I decided to ask you after reading a tweet by an ISIS fan who posts about Syria and Iraq (nicknamed “Shami Witness”). The tweet said “A classical Ghazi state must expand continuously”. Is that a confirmation of Islam’s distaste for work?


---------- Answer by Mr. Sina -----

I’d say both, i.e. your Roman Catholic friend and this Muslim supporter of ISIS are right. Muhammad had no regards for productive work. In regards to agricultural equipment, for example, he said, “There is no house in which these equipment enter except that Allah will cause humiliation to enter it.”[Bukhari: 3: 39: 514]

The reason Muhammad was so disdainful of agriculture is because he wanted his followers to be warriors. Agriculture requires commitment to the land. As a farmer you can’t abandon your cultivated land and go raiding that often took weeks if not months. He said, “When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad. Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion.” [Dawud: 23: 3455]

Although agriculture is more demanding, all industries require commitment to some extent. Khabbib, a companion of Muhammad narrated, “I in the pre-Islamic days used to work as an iron-smith.” [Muslim: 39: 6716] Obviously, after joining Muhammad he left his profession and earned his living through raids.

It is reported that one day Muhammad narrated the following story, “One of the inhabitants of Paradise will ask Allah to allow him to cultivate the land. Allah will ask him, ‘Are you not living in the pleasures you like,’ He will say, ‘Yes, but I like to cultivate the land.’” So Muhammad went on saying that the man will be permitted to sow the seeds and the plants will grow as big as mountains in a blink of an eye with fruits ready to pick and then Allah will say to him, ‘O son of Adam! Gather the yield; nothing satisfies you.’” [Bukhari. 3: 39: 538]

The moral of this story is that agriculture is for greedy people. A true Muslim must be content with what he earns from booty, which of course was a lot more profitable and safe. By raiding villages and towns, the jihadists could kill men caught off guard and unarmed and plunder their wealth.

Muhammad was completely disinterested in production and industry. Wealth, according to him, had to be earned through looting. One of his companions narrated, “Allah’s Apostle forbade us to do a thing which was a source of help to us. [He] sent for me and asked, ‘What are you doing with your farms?’ I replied, ‘We give our farms on rent, or rent it for some wasqs (sacks) of barley and dates.’ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Do not do so, but cultivate (the land) yourselves or let it be cultivated by others gratis, or keep it uncultivated.’ I said, ‘We hear and obey.’” [Bukhari, 3: 39: 532] Another hadith reports the same thing. “Whoever has land should cultivate it himself or give it to his (Muslim) brother gratis; otherwise he should keep it uncultivated.” [Bukari, 3: 39: 533]

It is said that Ibn Umar had some lands that he had rented out, and when he heard this hadith, he stopped renting them. [Bukhari, 3: 39: 536]

Despite abandoning agriculture and industry, Muslims were enriched, but entirely with booty and stealing the properties of others. Umar is reported saying, “But for the future Muslim generations, I would have distributed the land of the villages I conquer among the soldiers as the Prophet distributed the land of Khaibar.” [Bukhari, 3: 39: 527]

However, just like everything else Muhammad did and said, there was no consistency in him. When he raided and conquered Khaibar, he confiscated all the lands but allowed the survivors to cultivate them and share with him half of the proceeds. Umar’s son has narrated, “Allah’s Apostle intended to expel the Jews but they requested him to let them stay there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits. Allah’s Apostle told them, “We will let you stay on thus condition, as long as we wish.” So, they (i.e. Jews) kept on living there until ‘Umar forced them to go towards Taima’ and Ariha’.” [Bukhari: 3: 39: 531]

The reason for this discrepancy may be in the fact that the conquered population of Khaybar were Jews. Technically speaking, they were not renting their confiscated land but laboring freely for Muslims.

Ibn Umar said, The Prophet concluded a contract with the people of Khaibar to utilize the land on the condition that half the products of fruits or vegetation would be their share. The Prophet used to give his wives one hundred wasqs each, eighty wasqs of dates and twenty wasqs of barley. (When ‘Umar became the Caliph) he gave the wives of the Prophet the option of either having the land and water as their shares, or carrying on the previous practice. Some of them chose the land and some chose the wasqs, and ‘Aisha chose the land. [Bukhari, 3: 39: 521]

None of the laws of Islam have any expiry date. The fact that Muslims’ provision must come from booty is ratified by contemporary Muslims.

The Islamic site Islamicawakening.com writes,

“Narrated Ibn Umar (ra) that the Prophet (saw) said, “My livelihood is under the shade of my spear, and he who disobeys my orders will be humiliated.”
(Sahih Bukhari, p.408, vol.1)

The virtue of the spear has been mentioned in this hadith and we have been informed that the livelihood and provision of the Prophet (saw) lies in the spear (jihaad). This is why the muhaditheen have stated that the best earning is that of war booty and it is clearly proven by this hadith that booty has been made permissible for this Ummah.

Only the spear has been mentioned out of all the war weaponry that, “livelihood has been placed under the spear” because generally, the flag is raised high on a spear, so the spear has been mentioned indicating towards the flag, and the livelihood means the booty. Allah has classified the wealth of the booty as clean wealth, as Allah says:

“And remember when you were few and reckoned weak in the land and were afraid that men might kidnap you. But He provided a safe place for you, strengthened you with His help, and provided you with good things so that you might be grateful.” (Anfal: 26)

The commentary of “good” (tayyab), in the above verse has been explained as booty.

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah (ra) the Prophet (saw) said, “I have been given five things which were not given to anyone else before me:

1. Allah made me victorious by awe (by his frigtening my enemy), for a distance of one month’s journey.

2. The earth has been made for me (and my followers) a place for offering salah and a thing to purify (perform tayyamum), therefore anyone of my followers can offer salaah wherever he is at the time of salaah.

3. The booty has been made halal to me, yet it was not lawful to anyone else before me.

4. I have been given the right of intercession.

5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have sent to all mankind”. (Sahih Bukhari, p.51, English summarised edition; Muslim; Bayhaqi, p.4, vol.9)
http://islamicawakening.com/viewarticle ... pageID=214

This Muslim on Twitter who said, “A classical Ghazi state must expand continuously,” is correct. The Islamic economy is secured through plunder. So an Islamic state must keep expanding and looting. It is like a bicycle. You must keep pedaling or you fall.

Margaret Thatcher said, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.” The problem with Islamic economy is not much different. Once there is no one left to loot, Muslims will start cannibalizing each other by branding one another kafir, heretic and un-Islamic to justify raiding and looting them.

Since Muslims were driven out of Spain about 450 years ago, their source of income also dried out and they became impoverished ever since.

When Mark Twain visited the Ottoman Empire, he was struck by the absence of technological advancement and the pervasiveness of ignorance in general. He wrote, “The plows these people use are simply a sharpened stick, such as Abraham plowed with, and they still winnow their wheat as he did — they pile it on the house-top, and then toss it by shovel-fulls into the air until the wind has blown all the chaff away. They never invent anything, never learn anything.”

Twain was also not much impressed by the Muslim concept of morality. He said: “Mosques are plenty, churches are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but morals and whiskey are scarce. The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink. Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral. They say the Sultan has eight hundred wives. This almost amounts to bigamy. It makes our cheeks burn with shame to see such a thing permitted here in Turkey.”

Muslims see they are poor, while everyone else is better off. And since they think Allah has made it lawful for them to loot and plunder, they have risen to claim what they regard as theirs, i.e. your wealth.

And of course the concept of ethics and morality is as alien to the Muslim psyche as is camel to North Pole. For a Muslim right and wrong are not determined by the standards of the Golden Rule, but by what Muhammad has allowed and forbidden. Muslims will not use their conscience to judge the Islamic morality. They have none. To have a conscience one must be able to think independently. Muslims pride themselves in hearing and obeying, not in thinking, reasoning and God forbid, questioning.

[Singha]

agriculture is for greedy people. A true Muslim must be content with what he earns from booty, which of course was a lot more profitable and safe. By raiding villages and towns, the jihadists could kill men caught off guard and unarmed and plunder their wealth.

Ameen brother. the closer we get to pbuh, all doubts disappear...

[Chandragupta]

And of course the concept of ethics and morality is as alien to the Muslim psyche as is camel to North Pole. For a Muslim right and wrong are not determined by the standards of the Golden Rule, but by what Muhammad has allowed and forbidden. Muslims will not use their conscience to judge the Islamic morality. They have none. To have a conscience one must be able to think independently. Muslims pride themselves in hearing and obeying, not in thinking, reasoning and God forbid, questioning.


And to think that all the major nations in the world are yet to ban this desert cult that is dragging the human race back to being animals. Islam is reversing evolution & it is succeeding.

[SanjayC]

It's true that trade is consider highest vocation in Islam, not manufacturing. Prophet was a trader running caravans, so it is the highest aspiration of Muslims to trade. In fact, Dubai rulers pride themselves that they have been able to create an economy based purely on trade (global trade hub) in contrast to other Islamic states which rely on oil production.

Muslims see they are poor, while everyone else is better off. And since they think Allah has made it lawful for them to loot and plunder, they have risen to claim what they regard as theirs, i.e. your wealth.

This is what they did in Kashmir. Grabbed all houses and property of Hindu Pandits. They have vision of doing the same for whole India -- "let the kaffirs work and build, and we will then occupy, like we occupied in Kashmir, in Pakistan, in Bangladesh ..."

[Prem]

agriculture is for greedy people. A true Muslim must be content with what he earns from booty, which of course was a lot more profitable and safe. By raiding villages and towns, the jihadists could kill men caught off guard and unarmed and plunder their wealth.

Ameen brother. the closer we get to pbuh, all doubts disappear...

How Does paki Jutt feel about this Farman forbidding Zameen?
Expose & End of this Bhand will be at the hands of Dharmics but Paap Ka Gharra First Must be filled till brim.

[Prem]

4 Young Men Head for Iraq, Citing Fight for Islam, and India Wonders if More Will Follow

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/05/world ... -iraq.html

KALYAN, India — For more than a decade, as alienated young Muslim men from all over the world left home to fight on the side of Islamists in distant conflicts, it has been a truism that they were not coming from India, a country whose participatory politics and preoccupation with nearby enemies seemed to make it an exception.That theory has been shaken this summer by an unusual case.Four young men from this city on the outskirts of Mumbai — well-educated children of a rising middle class — disappeared from their homes with no warning in late May, leaving behind a note about fighting to defend Islam. Investigators traced them to Mosul and have said they were recruited over the Internet by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — a process that, while relatively well-known in the West, has not been documented in India.The case, though still viewed as an aberration, has opened up the unsettling possibility that Indian Muslims could be vulnerable for recruitment into sectarian conflicts in the Middle East via the Internet. Officials in the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir, in the north, have taken notice of youths displaying ISIS banners and insignia in recent days, and on Sunday, the authorities in the southern state of Tamil Nadu detained a young man for questioning over a social media posting showing a large group of Indian Muslims in ISIS T-shirts.“This came as a shock to all of us, this incident,” said Deven Bharti, a senior official in the Mumbai police department. “Trying to join the global war, it is quite a new thing.”
The four men who vanished from their homes on May 24, however, did not fit that pattern.
Brought up in middle-class enclaves — the kind with gates marked “Salesmen, Beggars Not Allowed” — three of the four had received training as engineers, a credential that epitomizes success in India.


Mr. Khan said his nephew had refused to allow a television in the family’s home and made it a practice to confront young men and women if he spotted them chatting in public. Mr. Sheikh also refused to vote in Indian elections, saying they were forbidden by Islam, and nagged his uncle — who is a local elected official — for trimming his beard.“The new generation is educated,” Mr. Khan said. “Unlike our generation, they understand the concept of Islam and are against sinning.” Another difference, he said, is that they focus less on grievances toward India’s government and more on Islamic struggles in the Middle East.On the afternoon of May 24, Mr. Sheikh spent the afternoon playing cricket. Then he showered, changed and left the house, telling his family he had work to do, Mr. Khan said. The same thing happened in three other households: Arif Majeed, 22, the son of a doctor, told his family he was going to study. Aman Tandel, 20, said he was going out to eat dinner. Shaheen Farooqui Tanki, 26, left without saying anything.
The development could prove to be a watershed “at both international and Indian levels,” he added, because Indian Muslims “have been enraged by local grievances but have not so much bought into the idea of worldwide oppression against Muslims.”
ISIS, however, is making an effort to recruit a broader range of Muslims than its predecessors. Other Salafist movements, like Al Qaeda, avoided doing that, for fear of aggravating the subcontinent’s giant Hindu population or provoking a harsh government reaction, he said, but ISIS, the newcomer, is far less cautious.“They have to take a lot more risk, they have to be a lot more flashy, and they have to cast a wider net,” Mr. Lynch said.In interviews, some law enforcement officials shrugged off the notion that India’s Muslims could be drawn into sectarian conflicts, for the same reasons they have not to date: because India’s Muslims have access to political power and are well assimilated, thinking themselves first and foremost as Indians.“Whatever the grievances, they can always be sorted out through a legal process,” said Anil Kumbhare, deputy commissioner of police at the special branch in Thane. “It will never happen in India. It has become the DNA of the nation, democracy.”

[vivek.rao]

Lot of cover up by NIA and UPA

3 locals helped carry out the Mumbai terror attacks

'There were three locals who helped in carrying out the attacks. Headley was supported by an Indian named Basheer, who incidentally is also a friend of Rana and arranged the travel documents for Headley.

'When Headley landed in India, he was received by Basheer. But the police never probed Basheer and he continues to remain a mystery to all security agencies. Sabahuddin Ahmed and Fahim Ansari too played a role in carrying out the attacks.'

Saroj Kumar Rath, author of the newly-published book Fragile Frontiers: The Secret History of Mumbai Terror Attacks, speaks to Rediff.com's Vicky Nanjappa.

lease tell us something about your book.

The book deals with the 26/11 attacks and also points out that it was not an isolated incident. After going through several documents related to the incident, I have been able to trace why the attack took place. There have been many attacks in India, but there has not been much study on it.

I have taken into account what was at stake in this attack. After going through 12,000 pages of the charge-sheet and other documents I found it strange that there is no scrutiny on the Lashkar.

The book also deals with how the attack was planned and the conspiracy angle. During my research I realised that after the September 11, 2001, terror attack in the United States of America, the people there got a sense of what happened during that attack. In India, post 26/11, most of the details were kept a secret and the public does not know a lot about the attack.

What in your view was the motive behind the attack?

The US tightened its security post 9/11. In 2003, (former Pakistan President) General Pervez Musharraf executed nearly 3,000 arrests. Although Pakistan claimed to be providing the US support, they were still backing militants. There were a lot of militants in Pakistan who wanted to fight against the US in Afghanistan, which Pakistan did not approve of. The 26/11 attack was planned to stop this and to keep the militants in Pakistan united.


The attack was not planned overnight. Pakistan wanted it to be a spectacular attack. The Pakistani army, which was fighting in Afghanistan, was in a dilemma whether to fight the battle with the US or fight against their own brothers. It was during this time that around 1,700 Pakistani officers deserted their army. They either joined the militants or decided to stay home. There was a lot of disillusionment in the Pakistani army and also among the militants. Pakistan wanted to lift the morale of these people. It was then that they decided to orchestrate such an attack. The Lashkar was in the meantime debating whether to go and fight the war in Afghanistan or not. Pakistan, however, wanted to desperately keep the Lashkar away from Afghanistan. They wanted to keep them busy and that is how the Mumbai attacks happened.

So I wonder if there was a quid-pro-quo deal on this!

During the course of your study did you find if there was any local support during the 26/11 attacks?

There were three locals who helped in carrying out the attacks. Headley was supported by an Indian named Basheer, who incidentally is also a friend of Rana and arranged the travel documents for Headley.

When Headley landed in India, he was received by Basheer. But the police never probed Basheer and he continues to remain a mystery to all security agencies. Sabahuddin Ahmed and Fahim Ansari too played a role in carrying out the attacks.

Both had Pakistani passports and had provided the attackers with handmade maps. The police found these maps in (terrorist Ajmal Kasab’s accomplice)Ismail Khan’s pocket.

Kasab had confessed before a magistrate that two Indians had provided them handmade maps. However, the investigators were not able to relate these incidents and prove it in court.

But if there was no map, how did the Rampur police probing the 2008 CRPF attack case in which Fahim and Saba are accused, have the same map with them?

They were arrested much before the 26/11 attack case by the Rampur police and they had found the same map on them. A weak and shoddy probe by the police led to their release.

The other local, Abu Jundal’s role in the attack is very clear.

Are you aware of a lady who guided the terrorists from Machimarnagar?

There is not much information about this lady, but there is a claim that one lady had argued with one of the terrorists and she could have been the one who helped them.

Tell us more about the Indian investigation into the attack.

The charge-sheet is weak and poorly made. The prosecution took a very casual approach. The charge-sheet is all about forensics, loss of public life, post-mortem report and a confession by Kasab. It is a shoddily prepared charge-sheet.

Kasab was interrogated for eight hours by the FBI 20 days after the attack. They extracted whatever they wanted to. Now compare this with Headley. It took us nearly one year to get access to him. Moreover, when we questioned him no magistrate was allowed and there was no permission granted to videograph or record the conversation. The US did not let us do this as they feared they could stand exposed and India did nothing much about it.

[ramana]

Rahul Butt was another accomplice who helped Headley to idenitfy targets in Mumbai. The Leopold Cafe was due to this duo among others.
He did not go to police even after the attacks happened. He was questioned after Headley revealed his name to US police.

[abhishek_sharma]

My loudspeaker versus your loudspeaker