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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sumeet » 21 Jul 2010 09:43

I think I read somewhere that RoP came to Kerala even before Arabs touched NW India.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 21 Jul 2010 09:55

Sumeet wrote:I think I read somewhere that RoP came to Kerala even before Arabs touched NW India.

Both RoP and RoL reached the shores of Kerala much before they landed up any where near the NW India. But there was a difference that the two religions never used violence to come and settle down in Kerala. Kerala having lots of natural ports was a trading post, and folks from various parts of the world (esp. Middle East) came here as traders. Since all these people requested the then kings were a right to do legitamate trade they were welcome with open arms.

The claim that RoP is a non-violent group is buttressed by this claim that they initially settled down as traders and never used force against the majority religion. Seculars, liberals etc used to scream from roof tops that Kerala would remain secular because riots never happened before and Keralites had accepted RoP as good traders etc. But with the recent developments clearly showing the violent side of RoP these claims would soon lose its charm.

William Logan's Malabar Manual does have notes on RoP behaviour during the 18th and 19th centuries. They were primarily traders especially in the coastal areas, but in some parts of Malabar Dt. (Tirur, Tanur, Parappanangadi areas) there existed RoP dacoit gangs who were pretty much a law unto themselves. For some time the British tried to have them under control by offering incentives. But this failed, and soon they resorted to classic measures like public executions and banishment to Lakshadweep Islands etc.

The next major rioting was in 1921 when there was wide spread looting and rioting in parts of South Malabar. First the target was the British, and the officials but finally it came to the hapless Hindus in general. Here again strong handed tactics of British administration qwelled the riots. The religious fanaticism element in whole 1921 riots was downplayed by very many historians in Kerala (and other politicos like EMS Namboodirippad looking for a minority vote in every nook and corner). Instead it was labelled as part of the Freedom struggle, or for the commies it was hapless tenants rising up against the land lords. But off late some historians have started admitting that religious fanaticism *also* existed in 1921 riots.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Dilbu » 21 Jul 2010 10:10

They were primarily traders especially in the coastal areas, but in some parts of Malabar Dt. (Tirur, Tanur, Parappanangadi areas) there existed RoP dacoit gangs who were pretty much a law unto themselves. For some time the British tried to have them under control by offering incentives. But this failed, and soon they resorted to classic measures like public executions and banishment to Lakshadweep Islands etc.

I have a place quite close to my home called 'Changuvetty' which literally means 'slit throat'. This area was notorious for the above mentioned dacoit gangs back then and head less bodies were found every day like Mingora town square in SWAT. There is a quite huge plot with thick under growth right on the side of national highway woth a few crores which remains unsold to this day. The story says this was the place where the British executed these dacoits by dozens.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 21 Jul 2010 16:40

Afternoon news update on the "hand chopping incident" in Kerala.

The main accused Yunus @ 30 years have been picked up by K.P from Palakkad today afternoon. It was reported that he was hiding in Nagore in T.N and while on his way to Kerala he was picked up *. He along with two others were absconding and the police was planning to use the laws to confiscate all their moveable and immovable property. Yunus was first taken to Muvattupuzha, and then moved to an undisclosed location. The formal arrest is to be recorded today.

* Dont know why, this arrest reminds me of the fellow who came all the way from the Middle East to stand at a bus station in Bangalore, when the police came looking for him.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby brihaspati » 21 Jul 2010 19:53

No, the spread in Kerala cannot entirely be ascribed to peaceful means. The Arakkal and especially the Arakkal-Samuthiri collaboration was not always peaceful in spreading Islamic settlements. Moreover, Bijapuris and Tipu in particular carried out massacres and focred conversions. In fact we have quite good estimates of enslavement of Hindus of Kerala and hinterland by the Bijapuri ghazwas from Dutch records of buying up these Hindu slaves. OT perhaps. But let us be more careful in history beginning from reconstructions of romantic myths of cheruman and Arakkals and so called peaceful "Arab".

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Hari Seldon » 21 Jul 2010 20:11

brihaspati wrote:No, the spread in Kerala cannot entirely be ascribed to peaceful means. The Arakkal and especially the Arakkal-Samuthiri collaboration was not always peaceful in spreading Islamic settlements. Moreover, Bijapuris and Tipu in particular carried out massacres and focred conversions. In fact we have quite good estimates of enslavement of Hindus of Kerala and hinterland by the Bijapuri ghazwas from Dutch records of buying up these Hindu slaves. OT perhaps. But let us be more careful in history beginning from reconstructions of romantic myths of cheruman and Arakkals and so called peaceful "Arab".


OMG. The blood boils only. The jihadi had the advantage of a clear purpose, mission and identification with the larger ummah.

Its only now, in the past some decades that such identification with other yindus has occurred to the yindu (or not, considering the utter indifference to the plight of the K-pundits and the naga blockaded meitei :evil: ).

The pakis and the arabs have much to fear from a pan-yindu-awakening to its history, its potential and its calling. Strictly IMHO of course.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 21 Jul 2010 20:32

brihaspati wrote:Moreover, Bijapuris and Tipu in particular carried out massacres and focred conversions.

But Muslims existed in Kerala much before Tipu tried his dirty tactics. Tipu's padayottam (the attack wave) is still remembered by people, because during this time many Hindus (mainly Brahmins who owned or managed temples) had run helter-skelter to the Travancore territory. But when it comes to discussing communal amity in the socialist republic Tipu's dirty deeds may not be given importance. Mainly because he would be then conveniently considered as an out-side invader, and not a home grown one.

When Tipu is considered as a benevolent ruler by many in Karnataka, and even accord them the role of a freedom fighter against the British, I see in many people in Kerala also slowly accepting and noting that he did nothing good to Kerala and its people. But Tipu's Jehadi fanatic nature needs to be brought out more clearly. There is no point in covering up religious fanaticism as freedom fighting (and Tipu fought with the British for his kingdom Mysore).

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby brihaspati » 21 Jul 2010 21:38

Agreed, Sachin ji!
Just wanted to say that it need not have been "peaceful", even long before the Tipu-ite (Melkote? Iyengars case - apologies if my spelling is not correct) or Bijapuri marauding - the military history of the Arakkals and Arab settler participation in naval and military operations on non-muslim neighbours of the Arakkals need to be explored. Moreover, from the supposed known first Muslim merchant arrival in the mid 9th century to the subsequent rise of the Arakkals, there was a sudden drastic reduction of Buddhist and Jaina settlements/constructions. Typically this is laid at the door of "Brahminism" but it coincides with the growth of Arab power and influence in Kerala between the 9th and 13th century. There are indications that Arab merchants indulged in armed naval or coastal actions along the western coast (PrabandhaChintamani). The claim seems to be that they stopped just short of Malabar! OT.

The roots of current violence and the fragmentation of Kerala society can be traced back directly to the conflicts between the successors of the legendary Cheruman - some of whom apparently acted in islamic favour and others didn't. It does not have to be separate from the Multani politics by which some of the native factions used Islamic naval/military power against their native opponents - in the 9th-12th century.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby shyamd » 22 Jul 2010 00:38

FACT!
India too weak to pursue gangsters internationally: HC
New Delhi, Jul 21 (PTI)

Expressing concern over non-coperation from foreign nations in cracking criminal cases involving international gangster, the Delhi High Court has said India ''is not a poweful country whose wishes are respected by other countries''.

"India is not a powerful country that its wishes are respected by other countries. India is considered as a soft and weak country even if it is progressing economically," Justice S N Dhingra said.

"On all other fronts, the reputation of India abroad is not such that its requests are acceded to by the foreign governments immediately," the court said.

The court made the remarks on a petition filed by the Centre seeking some more time to complete investigation against Naresh Kumar Jain, a Dubai-based businessman who is accused of running a hawala racket.

Jain, who is facing criminal charges in many countries across Europe and Asia, was arrested by the Delhi police. He absconded from Dubai and entered India illegally through Nepal.
The police, after conducting an initial probe, found that he was allegedly involved in many criminal activities in many countries and requested those countries to co-operate in getting to the root of his activities.

The investigating agency sought more time to complete the investigation as some countries are not co-operating.


Dubai: Bannanje Raja caught in new row
By Team Mangalorean

MANGALORE/DUBAI, July 14, 2010: Bannanje Raja of Udupi is now entangled in a new row of bouncing Rs. 100 crore cheque to an Indian origin Dubai based businessman. Bouncing a cheque was non-bailable offence in Dubai and Raja will now be in the custody of the court till he comes out of the charges or released after he undergoes the punishment.

According to informed sources in the Mangalore police Raja has bounced a cheque of Rs. 100 crores willingly with an intention of staying back in Dubai and avoiding arrest by Indian police. Raja is wanted by Mangalore, Bangalore and Mumbai police and was under red corner notice with the Interpol.

It could be recalled here that Raja along with Madur Isubu and Vishwanath Koraga Shetty have been put under red corner notice by the Mangalore Police with the Interpol.

With the new offence, Raja will be in Dubai for some more time before the Indian authorities can bring him back. According to informed sources, rules in Dubai for financial offences were very strict and it was almost impossible to get Bannanje Raja by anybody unless he clears the charges.
Sources close to Raja in Udupi told Mangalorean.com that Raja knows well that if he is brought to India he will have to undergo rigorous punishment and he also feared for his life as his former colleagues would want to harm him.

Raja had gone to Dubai in 1995 following his wife getting a job there, the Mangalore police later had found that he had migrated to Dubai on fake passport and tipped the Dubai police on this aspect. The Dubai police was quick to arrest him on that charges. The new row will put Raja away for not less than a year if his charges are proved

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Re: Internal Security Watch

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby D Roy » 22 Jul 2010 08:26

The rulers who came after the Cheras were characterized by opportunism. even though they were themselves hindus they actually promoted Islam to a certain degree in their population because of the fact that they were dependent on maritime trade for a great many things.

The Zamorins/Samoothiris for instance actively increased the number of mapillas for their navy by ordering certain families to raise one of their sons as a muslim. The mappilas till very late in the day remained fiercely loyal to the Zamorin, besides being very good sailors.


And although the Arakkals were the only muslim dynasty in Kerala they did play a part in speeding up the process in Kannur.

Tippu Sultan during the coorg + north malabar campaign was also responsible for a number of forced conversions of course.

The moors played their part in central kerala. they destroyed the jewish kingdom based out of crangagnore.

The Portuguese did the same for catholic Christianity.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby D Roy » 22 Jul 2010 08:47

Apropos to an earlier post and derkonig's enquiry-

All that is being written and talked about radicalization is completely true.

Love Jihad is very much happening. the only thing is, its not as simple as "innocent college women" being snared. The sad truth is a lot of "college" and "working" women do want to be "snared" in Kerala. They know what they are getting into. they just don't care. Because

1. women outnumber men in Kerala.
2. Dowry is a huge problem and a lot of women just don't want to get into that. And for some even love jihad is okay.

The state is a prototypical post-communist society where money has become a key key driver, much more than say even parts of north india traditionally known for money mindedness. after years of socialist rhetoric a large section now believes that they "need to get hold of money" no matter which way.
The intellectuals ( and I don't necessarily mean public ones) of course continue to hang onto the opium of commie psuedosecularism even though they admit that there are issues. But frankly speaking deep down they are scared of the mappilas and the ostrich approach comes to mind. they think the CPI(M) organization will somehow prove a bulwark to what's going on.

In any case hinduism in Kerala has some unique characteristics. Beef is of course not a taboo and the food habits of the population is homogenous. except brahmins ( who abjure meat) almost everybody likes 'beef biriyani' even on religious occasions.


For a "socialist republic" religious symbolism is rampant in kerala. from the hindus with their specific teekas, to christian tower shrines and crosses and mosques of course. In North Malabar there is a "taj Mahal" impression mosque almost every 75 metres or so now. Many of them explicitly identify themselves as Salafi. ( side note:The Mapillas as far jurisprudence is concerned are Shafi muslims in contrast to the Hanafis of North India). There are many "communist" shrines also. The whole state seems hooked onto idolatory.

Same with the highway stretch between Alapuzzha and Kollam ( of course that is not North Malabar).

Retail Businesses in North Malabar are increasingly owned by one community. Glass paned furniture marts rise out of what is basically a forest in Malappuram. There are bakeries in non descript places that would put well known chains in delhi to shame. The miracel of gelf money is for all to see.


PDP/PF/NDF posters and flags line long stretches of country roads. In Kannur and Kozhikode its mostly AIML/MSF however. there seems to be a bit of aturf war there.

SSF is limited mostly to wall writing and some sloppy chalk work on lamp posts.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby derkonig » 22 Jul 2010 09:27

Vykus wrote:
derkonig wrote:^^^
Here comes the caliphate...sekoolaarism ki jai...


I hope that the bloody struggle for caliphate starts asap, will be an eye-opener for rest of india...time to do away with sekularism.
I think its time we stopped living in false hope and get ready to face the consequences of minority appeasement (gods-own country will obviosuly be one of the first to taste the bitter medicine! :P )


Well what have the Kashmiri sekoolaar muslims been doing all these years? Haven't we seen ghettos & no-go areas creep up all these years? If these are not neo-caliphates, then what is? If all of that can't open the eyes of the people (esp. those who didn't see partition), little else can.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Rajesh_MR » 22 Jul 2010 09:34

D Roy wrote:In any case hinduism in Kerala has some unique characteristics. Beef is of course not a taboo and the food habits of the population is homogenous. except brahmins ( who abjure meat) almost everybody likes 'beef biriyani' even on religious occasions.

Hindus eat beef in Kerala. But never seen/heard of serving beef (or any non-veg) biryani for hindu religious festivals including marriage(not including reception)

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby D Roy » 22 Jul 2010 09:58

Well its happening now,

because I am referring to a marriage I attended in Alapuzzha.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Stan_Savljevic » 22 Jul 2010 10:50

One of the most wanted Kashmir militants and the man behind the Valley’s only fidayeen attack in the past two years was killed in a Sopore encounter last night, police said. Pakistani national Nouman alias Mooch Wala was the Jammu and Kashmir chief of the Harkat-ul Mujahideen and was active in the Valley for the past six years. “On the most wanted list, he was second only to Lashkar-e-Toiba Kashmir chief Abdullah Unny. This is certainly a big achievement for us,” a police officer said.
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A series of attacks on security forces have occurred in the area this year. Most of them have been blamed on Nouman and Unny.

http://telegraphindia.com/1100722/jsp/n ... 712528.jsp

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby shyam » 22 Jul 2010 12:45

D Roy wrote:In any case hinduism in Kerala has some unique characteristics. Beef is of course not a taboo and the food habits of the population is homogenous. except brahmins ( who abjure meat) almost everybody likes 'beef biriyani' even on religious occasions.

This is not uniqueness of Hinduism in Kerala, but outcome of social engineering performed by Communists, in collaboration with Christians and Muslims. First thing they try is to negate religious practices. Unfortunately, only poor Hindus fall for it. During my college days I have seen people, even from vegetarian back ground, start eating beef. You look progressive only if you eat beef with other people who eat beef. I won't be surprised if this got extended to religious occasions too. During Onam, Kerala consumes more alcohol than rest of India put together. In reality, Onam has got nothing to do with intoxication, but they managed to convert this important festival into a crap practice.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby kittoo » 22 Jul 2010 13:05

derkonig wrote:Well what have the Kashmiri sekoolaar muslims been doing all these years? Haven't we seen ghettos & no-go areas creep up all these years? If these are not neo-caliphates, then what is? If all of that can't open the eyes of the people (esp. those who didn't see partition), little else can.


Our nation didnt open eyes when Barbarians killed Hindus in scores, destroyed Somnath so many times, when partition happened, when Kashmiris threw out Pandits....I doubt anything can make Hindus open eyes. Our history is filled with such incidents where not only a few sold the nation for personal gains but the nation as a whole absolutely failed to see the danger lurking. I have little hope of seeing this changing.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby D Roy » 22 Jul 2010 13:09

Hi Shyam,

I would naturally agree with you to an extent. The irreverent 'I am progressive and modern" bravado coupled with SFI or Naxal membership is also an impulse for many Bengali youth to actively seek out beef in Calcutta and Delhi. However Bengalis typically grow out of that phase as they grow older.

But in Kerala I found people being 'raised' to eat beef. And the Ezhava family I stayed with said that they have been having beef for as long as they can remember. However I must also add that the lady of the house who is from Trivandrum said that it wasn't allowed in her family home.
Whatever may be the case the neutralization of age old traditions through commie rhetoric is definitely in evidence overall in the state. Much more so than in Bengal I must add. Much much more so.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 22 Jul 2010 20:49

D Roy wrote:And for some even love jihad is okay.

You must give a plus to the love jehadis that they can convince a non-Muslim woman to run away with them. The much awaited fun comes later when the issue of which religion to follow and in which manner comes up. Or else, divorce is never very complicated. And one thing RoPers are generally more united when it comes to cases like this, there modus operandi is very calculated. I know crazy non-Muslim boys who have been clearly told that forget the girl, or become a Muslim. There is simply no way out. I am yet to find such a formalised and heavily enforced stand in any other community, in Kerala.

The intellectuals ( and I don't necessarily mean public ones) of course continue to hang onto the opium of commie psuedosecularism even though they admit that there are issues.

The "intellectuals" (pseudo-intellectuals) actually are the main bane for folks in the socialist republic. It is these fellows who bring in unbelieavble explanations to any social problem in Kerala. Off course the intellectuals have also painted themselves to a corner so now them taking a different stand is a suicide for them. I personally know communist firebrand leaders who now some how avoid the topic at all, or come up with some ridiculous excuse. Slowly but steadily, the real common people are asking some questions, and they just cannot answer it.

But frankly speaking deep down they are scared of the mappilas and the ostrich approach comes to mind. they think the CPI(M) organization will somehow prove a bulwark to what's going on.

You hit the nail bang on the head !. Mappilahs of the socialist republic were never averse to violence, and never will they be. As I said even Britishers have accepted this. The Brits had to face two types. One who were poor and some times formed dacoit gangs. They were hunted down and executed in style. No problems, because Mopillahs too knew what was coming. The second set were the business men, or folks who had some social standing. The British could easily stop their ways of survival. And when push comes to shove the Brits had no problems in dealing violence with even more violence.

The intellectuals etc. could ask people to ignore any minor violence started by Mopillahs and asked the people to carry on. The intellectuals/commies etc. generally tried to downplay such incidents and said that it is a minor issue, and it will never go out of hand. And at that time the chances of some sort of organised violence was also rare. Commies also tried to create an impression that they are here to stop any sort of problems from Mopillahs (while heart-of-hearts they knew that they will never stand a chance when it comes to violence). Commies can break the heads of thousands of Kerala Police men with stones, but dealing with Mopilahs is a different ball game all together.

All in all I must say that when it comes to Moppilahs a fair amount of fear does exist amongst other communities. The general idea is to just avoid them, and carry on with life. But now thanks to NDF/PDP etc., people have started worrying more. Hope soon people realises that this is not a problem which can be "avoided".

In any case hinduism in Kerala has some unique characteristics. Beef is of course not a taboo and the food habits of the population is homogenous.

My favourite advice to BJP supporters, if they need to have some say in Kerala they need to have a "Kerala specific" policy. They just cannot copy & paste a policy from say Gujarath, or Karnataka in totality. Banning beef, banning liquor etc. may actually take the votes away.

The whole state seems hooked onto idolatory.

Amen. Commies instead of keeping pictures of Rama & Krishna, would keep the picture of Lenin or EMS Namboodirippad instead. They build memorials for their dead folks, which they give such reverance as for a temple/church. Like x'ians on a Sunday mass, these folks land up in their party study classes, and just like Hindus who some time blame their sad state for being a fault in their "jathaka/kundali", commies lay the blame on US or Israel.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 22 Jul 2010 20:59

My last post on this topic in this thread... (as it has not got any thing to do with Internal Security).

shyam wrote:First thing they try is to negate religious practices. Unfortunately, only poor Hindus fall for it.

You also should note that in Kerala, communism spread in a top-down approach. The first signs of communism was clearly visible in the Namboothiri Brahmin community (to which EMS Namboodirippad belonged). This community was rated at one level below God, and had found innumerous ways to harass people (even lesser mortals amongst themselves). When communism took route here, the rebels kicked out the bad practises plus also the 'religion' which until then they were following strictly (or in some cases forced to follow). Good or bad every religious practise then was side lined. And when you have the priestly class themselves asking the God to march out, you can very much know what can happens down the line.

Now back to the thread...
More arrests are happening all across Kerala, in the Taliban style "hand-chopping" incident. The arrested people seem to be from various parts of Kerala. All the accused handed over to police custody for around 10 days.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 22 Jul 2010 21:00

The Sohrabuddin saga drags on:
Summons to Modi's confidant puts Gujarat government in a spot

The Narendra Modi [ Images ] government in Gujarat is in a spot following the summons issued to Minister of State for Home Amit Shah in connection with the Sohrabuddin Sheikh fake encounter case.

Prashanth Dayal, the journalist who broke the story in 2005, told rediff.com that Shah, who is Modi's most trusted aide in the government, "is not likely show up even after the second summons has been issued. It is clear that the minister is likely to avoid the Central Bureau of Investigation, and the agency will be forced to issue a third summons."

The Gujarat government has been shaken up by this new turn of events. It is to be seen, before their legal options run out, if Modi will seek Shah's resignation or not. Dayal claims that "the CBI has in its possession ample evidence against Shah to prove his involvement in the case."

So far, what the CBI has claimed to the media, in off the record briefings, is that there are telephonic conversations and supportive statements from the arrested accused in the case to establish that Shah nurtured a gang of 25 police officers to undertake such work

It is also evident that this was a fake encounter; the Gujarat government has itself admitted so before the Supreme Court.

Rajasthan's [ Images ] powerful marble lobby, which complained of extortion by Sohrabuddin, was behind the fake encounter, Dayal claims.

He, however, feels that Modi will dillydally over Shah's resignation. The minister is his troubleshooter and if at all he is removed from office, it will be very hard to find a replacement. Also, it is not possible that Shah acted on his own in 2005, when Modi was so powerful.

The government in Gujarat is in disarray over this development and shaken. However, once the third summons is issued, there will be no option for Modi but to seek Shah's resignation because after the interrogation if some prima facie evidence is found, the CBI can arrest him.

However, Shah is a product of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh culture and it is unlikely that he will drag his boss Modi into the case although it is believed that the CM was aware of it.

Disgusting to see a anti-national scum taking 10-15 IPS level officers to jail!!! Cant imagine in which other country will this happen ( where state HM, DIG, IG etc go to jail for bumping off a known scum). Even damn Khwaja Yunus case( where he was apparently innocnet compared to Sohrabbudin) in INC ruled Maharashtra stopped onus at the SHO.

Also, notice the language used in the bolded part of the article. Someone ( Mr. Vicky Nanjappa who seems to be on a overdrive going by his recent Bhatkal IMs inncent onlee articles) sure has a axe to grind here...

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby svinayak » 22 Jul 2010 22:43

shyam wrote: In any case hinduism in Kerala has some unique characteristics. Beef is of course not a taboo and the food habits of the population is homogenous. except brahmins ( who abjure meat) almost everybody likes 'beef biriyani' even on religious occasions.


This is not uniqueness of Hinduism in Kerala, but outcome of social engineering performed by Communists, in collaboration with Christians and Muslims. First thing they try is to negate religious practices. Unfortunately, only poor Hindus fall for it. During my college days I have seen people, even from vegetarian back ground, start eating beef. You look progressive only if you eat beef with other people who eat beef. I won't be surprised if this got extended to religious occasions too. During Onam, Kerala consumes more alcohol than rest of India put together. In reality, Onam has got nothing to do with intoxication, but they managed to convert this important festival into a crap practice.

This progressive behaviour experiment was done in Kerla first which they have been trying at the national level. This concept of making the rest of the population different from being Hindus is the real focus of the marxist and leftist sociologist and leaders. I have some family members who have similar attitude. First is observation of social practice. Then it is changing it to make it acceptable to change. Then it is following the practice of another social group and make it part of the general public.

ANother news report few years back by a firangi talked about how the Hindus should be studied how they live with Muslims and Christians inside India! Such analysis and outside perception indicate a grand plan to change the social behavior of the large population of India. The people who are involved have a covert dialogue in the western countries, inside India and other locations.

What we see is social experiment tried first with fetivals and now with marketing of the consumer goods which want to change the life style of the people. Unless Indians realise it themslevs this could go in wrong direction.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 23 Jul 2010 10:41

'Indian Muslims experiencing political awakening'

Over 100 people in the Washington, DC metropolitan area gathered to hear Indian Muslim leader Syed Shahabuddin at a dinner hosted in his honour by the Association of Indian Muslims of America.

Shahabuddin, a diplomat turned politician turned community activist who is president of the All India [ Images ] Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat, said that in the last few years there has been 'a significant political awakening in the Muslim community in various regions of India.'

Muslims, he said, "are now holding rallies in various regions of India demanding from various political parties that they implement specific development programs to correct the extraordinary educational and socio-economic backwardness in the community."

Shahabuddin, who was introduced by community activist Kaleem Kawaja, a senior engineer with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration who heads the AIM's Washington chapter, spoke of rallies being held in West Bengal [ Images ], Tamil Nadu and Kerala [ Images ], which was unprecedented and said that with elections coming up in West Bengal and Bihar, Muslims had become "very vocal with slogans like 'No reservation for us, no vote from us."

Thus, he said, Muslims in India were "now asserting with the secular parties that just maintaining a secular polity is not enough; they have to bring about development schemes focused on their very backward community."

He said, "The tabling of the Misra Commission report in the last session of parliament, gives them hope that soon this report -- that recommends some affirmative action programs to provide preference in educational institutions and government employment to Muslims -- will see some implementation."

He called it "an uphill political struggle", because for 60 years "all political parties have taken them (Muslims) for granted."

The bolded statement of "no reservation, no vote" is really scary and reminds one of pre-47 days.

Have heard this guy ( Shahabuddin) speak on TV earlier and must say, he is a scary guy and frequently likes to use the word partition. Hope the authorities are keeping a watch on him before its too late ( like Kerala/PFI case)

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Postby Singha » 23 Jul 2010 19:44

GUWAHATI: Near history was made in Assam on Friday with New Delhi holding the first round of direct talks with the leadership of the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA), almost two decades after the first formal talks with the ULFA in 1992 broke down.

"I met the ULFA leaders this (Friday) morning in the jail. This was my first meeting with them and it was some sort of an icebreaker," the central government's newly appointed peace interlocutor P.C. Haldar said.

The hour-long meeting took place at the Guwahati Central Jail with the ULFA led by its jailed chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa.

The other ULFA leaders who attended the meeting include self-styled foreign secretary Sasha Choudhury, finance secretary Chitrabon Hazarika, cultural secretary Pranati Deka, and political ideologue Bhimkanta Buragohain.

"The meeting was good and constructive, I would say," Haldar said.

Barring ULFA's commander-in-chief Paresh Baruah, who is in Bangladesh, the entire ULFA top brass is in prison.

The first direct talks with the ULFA took place Jan 11, 1992, in New Delhi with late prime minister P.V. Narasimha Rao. ULFA general secretary Anup Chetia, now in jail in Bangladesh, former publicity chief Sunil Nath, and three more rebel leaders, had been airlifted then from Guwahati for the meeting with the prime minister.

But Anup Chetia later jumped parole and went underground and the meeting broke down. Chetia fled on the plea that he would have to go to the jungles to convince the other ULFA leaders for peace talks.

"That time we were ready for talks, but really did not know what led to the breakdown," Sunil Nath said.

"I think the meeting between the ULFA leaders and the government emissary was very positive."

Nath, who had surrendered a few months after the first round of talks in 1992, is now a regular columnist in local newspapers.

Haldar also met leaders of the newly floated Citizens Forum, a group of civil society members brokering peace between the ULFA and the government.

"We are hopeful of something positive emerging out this meeting between the interlocutor and the ULFA leaders," Nirmal Choudhury, spokesperson of the Forum, said.

The ULFA is fighting for an independent homeland for the Assamese people since 1979 with the insurgency claiming more than 10,000 lives in the past two decades

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Singha » 23 Jul 2010 19:47

another feather in the cap of ROP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_Rebellion

Annie Besant stated: "They Moplahs murdered and plundered abundantly, and killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatise. Somewhere about a lakh (100,000) of people were driven from their homes with nothing but their clothes they had on, stripped of everything. Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India."

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Singha » 23 Jul 2010 19:55

an account of some fighting during the rebellion
http://www.keepmilitarymuseum.org/malab ... &dx=1&ob=3

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 23 Jul 2010 20:47

Singha wrote:another feather in the cap of ROP

And this is a part of the story of a riot, which is now dubbed as freedom struggle. I had finished reading a book about the whole thing, from a neutral historian. Now I have got another one written by a commie sympathiser whose intro note itself says that this was a "peasent revolt". My idea is to read it once, and then dispose the book to the raddi wallah.

I had accidentaly reached the same page (keepmusuem) some time back. The book I had read had mentioned about the arrival of British troops (not British Indian Army regiments) and Dorsets was one of them. The book I read just noted the fact that they arrived from Bangalore. Dorsets were able to give the initial blows to the Mopillahs.

The mopillahs then retreated the jungles in Nilambur where they could fight a guerilla war. It was then the british brought in troops from Assam Rifles and Gurkha Rifles, because they were experts in jungle war fare. And then the game was up for the Mopillahs. It seems during those days jungle warefare was kind of in-born quality in every Gurkha and Assam rifle man.

Justice was also quickly meted out the rebel leaders. Military tribunals were setup, the rebels were tried under military law and some of the rebels saw themselves standing before the firing squad in 2-3 months flat.

I am waiting to see when we some similar quick justice delivered :roll:.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby D Roy » 23 Jul 2010 21:26

The portrayal of the Moplah uprising as a part of our freedom struggle is but one the many reasons why this site has a "distortion of history ... " discussion thread. :mrgreen:

And obviously given that our history books have been written by people of exactly the same persuasion and political affiliation as those who have "defended sekoooolarism" in Kerala, there was no chance that the Moplah riots would be depicted in any other light.

The commies were not going to let go of a chance to distort the history of one of their own playgrounds, now would they?

Same with Bengal. Both the Tanabhaga and Tebhaga uprisings are presented in the most twisted manner imaginable with some open acts of commission and omission. Obviously the contextual reason is the same as above and obvious.


See its very simple, earlier the link was - British empire => pays German indologists => to come up with Aryan Invasion Theory.

Post-Independence -

Kangress bribes off left => by handing over education to them=> left takes freebies from their Oxbridge affiliates ( visiting positions, seminars etc) => continues the good work of the German indologists.

So Tippu Sultan becomes monumentally secular and Aurangzeb's wanton destruction of temples becomes an act of scheduled maintenance.

I sometimes wonder why the Indian commies keep us under the impression that they are atheistic.

In my opinion they can all save us the trouble by taking a quick trip to the barber's and get it over with. At least we would know where they really stand.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ramana » 23 Jul 2010 21:33

Sachin, The British Collector who quelled the Mopallah rebellion was Rutherford. he was later transferred to Andhra, Vizag in particlura to deal with Alluri Sitarama Raju's rebellion.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby naren » 24 Jul 2010 06:23

sum wrote:'Indian Muslims experiencing political awakening'

Over 100 people in the Washington, DC metropolitan area gathered to hear Indian Muslim leader Syed Shahabuddin at a dinner hosted in his honour by the Association of Indian Muslims of America.

Shahabuddin, a diplomat turned politician turned community activist who is president of the All India [ Images ] Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat, said that in the last few years there has been 'a significant political awakening in the Muslim community in various regions of India.'

Muslims, he said, "are now holding rallies in various regions of India demanding from various political parties that they implement specific development programs to correct the extraordinary educational and socio-economic backwardness in the community."

Shahabuddin, who was introduced by community activist Kaleem Kawaja, a senior engineer with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration who heads the AIM's Washington chapter, spoke of rallies being held in West Bengal [ Images ], Tamil Nadu and Kerala [ Images ], which was unprecedented and said that with elections coming up in West Bengal and Bihar, Muslims had become "very vocal with slogans like 'No reservation for us, no vote from us."

Thus, he said, Muslims in India were "now asserting with the secular parties that just maintaining a secular polity is not enough; they have to bring about development schemes focused on their very backward community."

He said, "The tabling of the Misra Commission report in the last session of parliament, gives them hope that soon this report -- that recommends some affirmative action programs to provide preference in educational institutions and government employment to Muslims -- will see some implementation."

He called it "an uphill political struggle", because for 60 years "all political parties have taken them (Muslims) for granted."

The bolded statement of "no reservation, no vote" is really scary and reminds one of pre-47 days.

Have heard this guy ( Shahabuddin) speak on TV earlier and must say, he is a scary guy and frequently likes to use the word partition. Hope the authorities are keeping a watch on him before its too late ( like Kerala/PFI case)


We must shoot back "no vote, no citizenship"

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Atri » 24 Jul 2010 20:59

25 cows killed on festival of Ashadhi Ekadashi in Malegaon, Maharashtra on 23/07/2010.

Lathicharge on protesting Hindus, Muslim MLA arrested (in other words, protected from public retribution)

CRPF deployed in Northern Maharashtra.

Police protection to every mosque in Western Maharashtra.

Not a single piece of news in media..

need for 1857 redux??? I think yes...

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Vykus » 24 Jul 2010 23:16

Sachin wrote:
sum wrote:Migrated from Kerala to BD? What on earth do Mallus have in common with BDs?

May be some error in reporting. There are lots of Mallus who were in parts of Pakistan during the time of Independence and partition. Most of these fellows were illiterates, who had small jobs in Pakistani cities like Karachi. When the partition happened many of them could not fathom the mess they will later find themselves in. Soon these Mallus were also classified as Pakistani citizens. Finally when they decided to come back to India to rejoin their families they found that as Pakistanis they have to report to the police stations on regular basis etc. So some one getting stuck up in BD may also be such a case.

Vykus wrote:Remove from this the commies who are unbelievers......

The commies being non-believers is a joke. This excuse primarily is only reserved for Hindu communists. Secondly, many of them have become closet believers. Or they come up with ridiculous excuses like hey I dont got to temples, but my wife can go and she can also pray for me ;). The head-honcho of the commies EMS Namboodirippad, retained his caste based surname till his death. Though his family was considered to be full of commies, they have a temple managed by them. Rest assured, if push comes to shove and Hindus (non-commie variety) start supporting any other Hindu group the commies just like chameleons will change their colours and start some Hindu appeasement as well. So far they did not require to do that, so they went along with the standard minority appeasement tactics only.



Looks like ur predictions are comign true....check out the latest statement from the kerala CM ....

http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=81904

New Delhi, Jul 24 (IANS): Radical Islamic outfit Popular Front of India (PFI) is aiming to convert Kerala into a Muslim majority state in the next 20 years, Kerala Chief Minister V.S. Achuthanandan said here Saturday.
"For achieving that goal, the outfit is pumping money to attract youth and give them weapons. They also try to convert youth from other communities and persuade them to marry Muslim girls," Achuthanandan told reporters here.
The chief minister's statement came as his Left Democratic Front (LDF) government intensified a crackdown on the outfit, whose activists have been accused of chopping off one of the hands of a college professor for allegedly making derogatory references to Prophet Mohammed.
Justifying the crackdown on the outfit, Achuthanandan said the police is closely watching PFI's activities.
The chief minister said the outfit tried to create a clean image by organising freedom parades on independence day.
Various district administrations have already banned the parade organised by the PFI every Aug 15, he said.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Kati » 25 Jul 2010 09:22

testing water again.....?

Pak boat with 8 persons on board apprehended off Gujarat coast
24 July 2010. The Statesman, Kolkata

Press Trust of India
AHMEDABAD, 24 JULY: A Pakistani boat with eight persons on board was today apprehended after it entered Indian waters off the Gujarat coast.
Eight Pakistani nationals were apprehended with their fishing boat about 35 nautical miles from Mithapur coast in Jamnagar district, Coast Guard officials said.
The arrested persons along with their boat are being brought to Okha port where they will be handed over to the police for further interrogation, they added. “The Pakistani boat seems to have drifted into India waters due to rough sea. It has been apprehended by us and is being brought to Okha coast,” the officials said. Primarily, it appears to be a fishing boat as some fish was also found on the vessel, they said. It could have drifted into the Indian territory due to rough weather in the Arabia sea, officials said.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 25 Jul 2010 10:05

New Delhi, Jul 24 (IANS): Radical Islamic outfit Popular Front of India (PFI) is aiming to convert Kerala into a Muslim majority state in the next 20 years, Kerala Chief Minister V.S. Achuthanandan said here Saturday.
"For achieving that goal, the outfit is pumping money to attract youth and give them weapons. They also try to convert youth from other communities and persuade them to marry Muslim girls," Achuthanandan told reporters here.

Stuff must be hitting the fan if a CPM CM has to utter such "communal words"

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Hari Seldon » 25 Jul 2010 11:31

Stuff must be hitting the fan if a CPM CM has to utter such "communal words"

400%.
Polarisation works both ways, I guess. Sure the threshold for a minority community to close ranks and vote en bloc en mass(a) is lower than that for a larger, fractious majority. But its not as if the threshold in the latter case simply isn't there.
JMTPs, IMVVHOs, Std disclaimers hold and all that, of course.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Dilbu » 25 Jul 2010 11:39

It was good to see chief minister acknowledge the truth. His own party cadres and closet commies are outraged by this statement and are out in full force.

In Kerala political party affiliations are much more important than your country. So a Chief Minister of CPM is not supposed to say something like that which will give credibility to hindootva party's allegations. :roll:

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby D Roy » 25 Jul 2010 21:04

yeah the head in the sand approach...

anyway organized commiedom will be out of India by next year.

In the two "beachheads" a new kind of organized politics will rise and I have a feeling it will be majoritarian in nature - not a bad idea given the love jihads and other nonsensical shit being tried by anti-nationals in these parts.

Paradoxically instead of pushing more minorities into the waiting arms of extremists as the seekoolaars try to suggest, what will happen instead is that the moderates within the minorities will feel emboldened.


In bengal for instance a lot of "syncretic" people ( skull cap + hindu festivals ) are strongly nationalistic. they simply don't have any muscle backing them. And we would do well to remember that a great majority of Indian muslims regardless of whether they are syncretic or not are Patriots.
A significant number due to gelf money and other economic contacts have been sought to be turned, but even today it is only in certain pockets that a rabid anti-nationalism prevails. North Malabar is unfortunately one of those pockets and its high time people took cognizance of this fact and did something about it.

By the way, I also found that the lower classes in Kerala seem to have a sense of respect for the wealth of Gujarati and Marwari businessmen ( especially if they have worked in Maharashtra). I have a feeling once the commie credo is removed far greater economic linkeages with these states may get built up. As it is loads of moneyed Gujaratis come visiting to kerala anyway these days.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Prem » 26 Jul 2010 00:17

Love jihad cases: Mahila Morcha for NIA probe http://expressbuzz.com/cities/thiruvananthapuram/love-jihad-cases-mahila-morcha-for-nia-probe/192716.html
THIRUVANATHAPURAM: Bharatiya Janata Mahila Morcha state president Sobha Surendran has urged the authorities to order a probe by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) into the ‘love jihad’ cases. She told a news conference here on Saturday that over the past five years, around 5,000 girls had gone missing in the State. Many of them were recruited by terrorist outfits sponsored by the ISI and sent to Pakistan. But the Home Department told the High Court in an affidavit that no such activities were noticed in the State, she said.
The Police had seized some CDs during the raids conducted as part of the investigation into the chopping of the hand of Newman College teacher T J Joseph. These CDs had visuals of girls sent to red streets in Pakistan. But the Kerala Police is maintaining silence over this development, despite having registered over 1,000 cases related to ‘love jihad’. Sobha Surendran said that ‘love jihad’ was a planned move to recruit girls for terrorist activities. She said that as the Home Department was functioning under a tacit understanding with the Popular Front of India (PFI), the Union Home Department should take up the cases. The raids on the houses of PFI workers were a farce.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby negi » 26 Jul 2010 02:43

Will someone explain to me as to why shouldn't I use appropriate adjectives for the bozos in Gobmint ? This is what we have learnt from 26/11 ?

Free for all: Russians don’t need visa in Goa

Right under the eyes of the Goan authorities — in fact, with the active assistance of its immigration authorities — the country's security appears to have been seriously compromised in the guise of tourism-friendly visa procedures.

Immigration authorities are handing out visa on arrival virtually every day to foreign tourists, although India — unlike Thailand or Indonesia — does not extend the facility, barring in ``emergent situations'' like death or illness in family, as set down by the norms of the Bureau of Immigration.

But this provision for visa due to human tragedy or emergency has become the norm in Goa. Check out these figures. In 2000, only 28 ``temporary landing facility'' (TLF) — as these 15-day visas are called — were granted. In just eight months between October 2007 and May 2008, 1,960 TLFs were issued — in other words, on an average, eight TLFs a day.


The concern among Goan authorities is only recent. Last month, Goa SSP (security) V V Chaudhary sent an internal circular that said that the practice of ``granting of visa on arrival...should be discontinued.'' The Indian ambassador to Russia P P Shukla wrote in a despatch to Delhi on January 15, 2009, that ``misuse of such a discretionary facility, needless to say, could be a matter of serious concern from security angle.''


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