prahaar wrote:It is only because sword-bearers have been neutered in MH/Mumbai, this phenomenon is raising. Shasan ke ashirwaad ke bina ye sambhav nahi.
^^^Was just about to write that down. While there is provision for direct entry Hawaldar, he looks too young even for that.Surya wrote:guy looks too young to be a retired havaldar
doubt that tweet
Just hoping and praying that i am not caught up in the streets when the call for "direct action day-2" comes across which are coordinated across all major Dar-ul-Islam's all over the country.RoyG wrote:Atri calm down, no use getting worked up. You should welcome the growing islamic movement within the country. We will lose territory and many lives but hindus will finally wake up to the threat and become a powerful force.
Two recent incidents that include protest over 'discovering' the Akbarabadi Mosque in Delhi, and then the agitation at Azad Maidan in Mumbai which turned violent, must serve as wake up call for all Indian Muslims.
I'll come back to them but just a recall: In the late 70s and even up to early 80s, Urdu newspapers like Nida-e-Millat and Nasheman, in India would spend tonnes of ink on the plight of Palestinians, perennially.
This was not just an interest but an obsession. With the decline of Urdu press for a phase in eighties, there was a marked decline in Indian Muslims' interest towards the faraway territory.
It was the era when Muslim here faced the heat due to Ayodhya movement. Thereon, either it was Babri Masjid demolition or major communal riots, we never heard any foreign Muslim country or people in other lands, shedding tears for Indian Muslims or issuing any statement for them. Was there any strong voice over Gujarat from a foreign power?
There was no need either for any outsider to speak for us. We are a democratic country. Like most nations and societies, we will have our issues, and then we will sort them out ourselves. There is no need for intervention. Mostly our Hindu brethren are fighting the cases for justice with minorities.
Still, whenever there is an issue in a faraway country, Indian Muslims are the first to hit streets. Of course, not when Muslims kill Muslims in an African country, or when Ahmadiyyas or [even Shias] are blown to pieces in supposedly 'Muslim nations' on a regular basis.
Some of us unfortunately might look at Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries as model states, despite the fact that they are monarchies. Despite, their rigid and regressive attitudes when it comes to treating women, minorities and even Muslim settlers from other countries, who are not given equal treatment or citizenship and kept below par with even American and other white races.
es, Arab countries have their laws, we have our laws. Have you ever seen Arab Sheikhs protesting killing of Muslims in Myanmar or their citizens.
Do the Arab people have the right to protest. And if they don't have it or even if they have it, do they intend to do it.
From Egypt to Lebanon, Iran to Turkey and Kazakhstan to Bosnia, which Muslim country saw such huge numbers pouring out on streets to protest the killings?
Frankly, we have the right to protest and we are perhaps misusing it. We don't join other communities to protest for injustice on others, but our blood boils when we hear or see images of attacks on Muslims.
Don't we realise that the world looks at it, as a case of Muslims just thinking about themselves and none else. Wouldn't it be better if we submitted memorandums, met MPs, wrote to President and Prime Minister, to apprise authorities in Myanmar about our sentiments, rather than creating road blockades and fiery speeches. Already online campaigns were on.
Our heart must bleed for everyone who is facing injustice, not just for Muslims. For a moment, it can be accepted that till a few years ago, other communities didn't have much presence in countries outside India and failed to understand this excessive show of solidarity by Muslims for events outside.
Now with growing diaspora, Indian Hindus and Sikhs also begin to feel for attack on co-religionists outside. However, the catch lies in the fact that there are no Hindu and Sikh nations apart from India. While we can surely be unhappy with what is happening in Myanmar, we must understand the realities.
What Bangladesh, a predominantly Muslim country is doing? This country amended its secular constitution and became a supposedly Islamic country, and it closes border on Rohingyas, it forcibly sends them back and doesn't hold serious talks with Myanmar regime over this issue.
They did the same with fellow Urdu speaking Biharis for decades. These lakhs of Biharis remained in camps and both Pakistan and Bangladesh avoid taking the responsibility. Only recently did Bangladesh accepted them and gave them citizenship.
Forget Gulf countries, what about Malaysia, another Muslim majority country, close to Myanmar.
It is also an economic force and just a bit far away is Indonesia. What these governments are doing? If Indian Muslims want to the feel pain of Rohingyas, it's okay.
But holding demonstrations of such size, that can go out of control, what message we want to send. We are further harming our own image in this country.
Rather than taking proper routes or legal ways, we always go for rhetoric and streets, which turns counter-productive and hurts our image even more. It is not that you shouldn't be concerned, but head must prevail our heart.
On the issue of ethnic cleansing in Burma, for the last month, we have seen demonstrations not just in capitals, but districts, even towns and at smaller places. Why? In cities, where twenty people aren't seen ready to join a delegation over a matter of genuine concern or the issue of delay in recognition to a school in minority dominated area, 2,000 easily come for such a gathering or protest. Isn't that amazing?
It tells a great deal about the emotions which the Indian Muslims seem to have in excess. Its better to use and channelize this energy elsewhere. Either it's the issue of Akbarabadi mosque in Delhi, for which passions were whipped up by an MLA or the Burma issue, our priorities are misplaced.
Isn't it a better idea to have funds collected for victims of violence in Assam, both the Bodo victims as well as Muslims, rather than giving advertisements in papers and then heading for rallies! In Akbarabadi mosque case, the issue was handled in such a way that now it could cause severe embarrassment to community.
Just a few decades back, a senseless emotional movement over a frail old woman, had turned Muslims into villains in this country. The Shah Bano case had strengthened right-wing forces, led to rise of BJP, destruction of Babri Masjid, and the entry of the word 'appeasement' in Indian political dictionary.
Despite going through so much, the Muslim leaders seem to have learnt nothing. Either it's Akbarabadi Masjid issue in Delhi, for which later FIRs were registered, or the Azad Maidan protest, where Muslim youths ultimately died, one sees misplaced priorities and 'josh' prevailing over 'hosh' that only harm us.
He is elected from Assam. I am not sure if he sleeps well these days or not.Jhujar wrote:Then Our esteem PM Saab have already stated that Muslims have the first right on indian assests. . . .
He is trying to understand, but its his cognitive dissonance and biases which actually come out. He is amazed, but he is actually afraid and constrained by his mental blocks to take it nearer to the truth.Rony wrote: Quote from article:
On the issue of ethnic cleansing in Burma, for the last month, we have seen demonstrations not just in capitals, but districts, even towns and at smaller places. Why? In cities, where twenty people aren't seen ready to join a delegation over a matter of genuine concern or the issue of delay in recognition to a school in minority dominated area, 2,000 easily come for such a gathering or protest. Isn't that amazing?
Hardly likely, he has now made himself qualified for NACshyamd wrote:Hope the f**king tw*t gets arrested and spends his life in solitary confinement.
Everything is not in their favor. The Power of Center is shifting to the Western Suburbs. Oshiwara is carved out of the only Muslim Majority Jogheswari and the Redevelopment Plans all over the city from Dharavi, Garib Nagar Bandra to Bhendi Bazaar to Jogheswari are sending the Mohammedians out of BMC Limits to Azmi's Bhiwandi and Bhandup region with Full Pockets.brihaspati wrote:Look, the Mumbai scenario is about an ongoing internal power struggle. D is not coming back - will not be allowed to for fear of political backlash on the usual suspects. So there is already a war going on about who is going to become the local successor. Across the border and across the nallah friends of India are keen to keep their handle on Mumbai even if D cannot be seen to be coming back. So there are many forces fighting to secure control. Mumbaikars close to the gutter-smell surely must have known that the fight started in earnest earlier this year, around February.
Whoever from the local forces - not connected that strongly previously with D and his allies [in and out] are trying to gain control are doing good work. So, we will continue to see such flare ups - increasingly. But also consider, that internally within the Islamist contingents or public faces based around Mumbai, there is an internal competition too. The older mullahcracy is being cornered. There is also the dangerous game of using Barelvis against Deobandis - without realizing that both have some common points and they do move on certain issues together. They will not fail to unify in spite of all rosy predictions about internal disputes - over territorial expansion to push out the non-theology people.
The brothers must come together, even if it means pain for a lot of northerners. Mumbai is actually up for grabs. It would be best if the hotheads and the overtly ambitious from both sides of the colour division get lost in a war of attrition. A more far-sighted satrap with a proper understanding of the failed Maratha project can be placed then in that crucial geo-strategic zone.
So the survival instinct ain't extinct yet, eh? But then the Nagas are a baptized and organized bunch, not like us scattered, cowardly yindooze now, no?The Naga Council, Dimapur, a prominent local body, has called upon "all the citizens of Nagaland to socially and economically boycott" illegal Bangladeshi migrants terming it a non-violent, peaceful form of protest.
Shit happens in Mumbai and Mid Day is good in capturing it.
SIR, ~ The ethnic disturbances in Assam warrant a recount of an incident in this context. My late father began his career during the British days as an officer of the Assam Civil Service and was subsequently promoted to the IAS after Independence. As the Deputy Commissioner ~ current terminology would be Collector/District Magistrate ~ of a border district neighbouring what was then East Pakistan, he took a tough line against illegal immigration, smuggling, trans-border crime, abductions and the like. In the bargain, he fell foul of a powerful nexus and eventually got “fixed”.
This virtually ended his career. Interestingly, the person heading this nexus was a senior politician who ultimately became India’s President thus upholding the saying that the more corrupt you are in public life, the higher you can go!
Yours, etc., Jayanta Dutt, Kolkata, 2 August.
Well, at least MMS now gets a good night's sleep.Hiten wrote:
Sometimes I wish that Gandhi and Nehru were still alive and I could set upon them with a stick. They both are directly responsible for foisting this problem on us and our future generations.In the next 30 - 40 years, there will be a lot of blood-letting in the nation. We constantly wish bad for UQstan. Let me draw an == here, we have a much much bigger problem at home.
Please stop blaming men who have been dead for over 50 years for today's troubles. The number one reason for our troubles are the 1.2 Billion fellow citizens who provide unconditional support to their favorite party. Change that about ourselves and we will be able to fix all other issues in due course. A single Baba or an Anna alone cannot change status quo. "Be the change you want to see in the world." M K Gandhivarunkumar wrote:Sometimes I wish that Gandhi and Nehru were still alive and I could set upon them with a stick. They both are directly responsible for foisting this problem on us and our future generations.In the next 30 - 40 years, there will be a lot of blood-letting in the nation. We constantly wish bad for UQstan. Let me draw an == here, we have a much much bigger problem at home.
we Hindus need to arm ourselves(legally) and organize. This is an alarming development and if firearms have been discharged in this riot, which seems to be the case, the internal security situation is going to deteriorate rapidly what with over 40million licenced and unlicenced weapons. Like lakshmikanth said, we can expect love and peace from our friendly neighbourhood raza cultural center.Sushupti wrote:Peaceful mob with automatic gun.
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At least on their own the Indian officers were not doing any proper grooming of "good terrorists". Now Amir Khan will teach how to groom the politically correct terrorists correctly.SSridhar wrote:Anti-terror drive: US to train Indian officers
The Hindu was no different. I was reading through the "Letters to Editor". The letters (guess they have their regular folks to write such things) all pretty much took the same line.lakshmikanth wrote:TOI-LET provides justifications on why their LET sympathizing brothers attacked and ravaged Mumbai, including some property belonging to their own people (the press).
.Since this article talks about Moppilah Riots of 1921. I had in my collection a book written by a Kerala Brahmin, Mozhikunnam Brahmadathan Namboodiri. His book Khilafath Smaranakal (Khilafath Memories) talks about these riots. If you want to a read a true Jehadi apologist's version of the events, I suggest folks read this book. The author has written pages and pages about the honour and courage of Mopillah rioters. As a true apologist he also mildly brings up the point that in some places there were murders,forcible conversions etc, and explains in a way that this should be kind of tolerated because these were all part of the fight for SwarajSamG wrote:Here's an article which makes some sense as to the Mumbai Barbarianism.
(for whom??). . Riots would continue to happen when these sort of apologists remain in our midst 
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